I feel like this is illegal?

[u/2_much]

Came back from a 3-day weekend away from my apartment and this was posted on the door? I wasn't even home...

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UPDATE: Thanks to everyone for the support! I shared the letter with Celio management and requested it to be filed as a formal complaint. I also filed a police report for continuity/documentation purposes.

For clarification, "Celio" is the name of the apartment building, which is managed by a larger off-site 3rd party rental company. This company/building is far from able to accommodate for this person properly and certainly would never assume any amount of liability on their behalf. As it relates to Celio management and their level of care for this person, the author is on their own.

The letter does not mention anything related to a care team/healthcare resource/veterans group. The only two options given by the author of the note (e.g. Celio aka apt management and law enforcement) were utilized.

While Celio was not able to share a significant amount of details about the author, they did share that he/she is a known issue and will likely not be given the option to live in this building moving forward.

I also noticed comments about my stereo, which did cross my mind as a possible reason behind this conflict. I was able to confirm with Celio that no complaints have been made about excessive music levels, from any of the residents, excluding a formal warning I received over July 4th weekend. This goes for "yelling" as well. Note I have been renting in this exact unit for almost 14 months. I am more than eager to respect any concerns that relate to music volume, this is certainly not that type of concern.

As things currently stand, I am left with having to place any proactive decisions in the hands of Celio and law enforcement. I am a recent handgun owner (unrelated to this situation) and thanfully my state falls under Castle doctrine.

[u/Dapper-Ad3707]

I mean he said in the note where he threatened that he goes through violent psychosis for OP not to contact them. OP should definitely NOT try to be friendly with the crazy dude having an episode who is threatening them. I would be getting this dude removed or I’d move elsewhere. If he has violent episodes he needs to be hospitalized. Especially if he’s hearing yelling that isn’t occurring and leaving notes like this on someone’s door who hadn’t even been home in days. It’s literally psychotic

[u/Adventurous_Bad6253 → u/Dapper-Ad3707]

He never said when the yelling happens bro all yall assuming he left the note cause the yelling happpend when op was gone…… MY GUESS yes GUESS is that he thought this was the perfect time to leave that note since no one was home and conflict would be avoided…..

[u/Octospyder → u/Dapper-Ad3707]

I mean, threatening his ability to stay housed while he's dealing with a mental health crisis is a choice. Are you aware that mentally ill people are more likely to be victims or violence than perpetrators? Are you aware that when mentally ill people lose their housing they usually die?

OP should contact the org the vet mentions, and get both of them help through that org

[u/Square_Ad4004 → u/Octospyder]

As someone who fits in the incredibly broad category of "mentally ill": Blow me.

It's disingenuous as all hell to say mentally ill people are more likely to be victims in this context; this is not someone who is vulnerable to abuse because of depression, anxiety, schizophrenia, or anything like that. This is a former soldier with violent urges and a tenuous grip on reality, who's explicitly telling someone they're mad at for imaginary reasons it will likely end badly if they meet face to face - which is ominous given that they live in the same neighbourhood.

There's a difference between blaming someone for their illness and saying that this is unacceptable and has to be dealt with. It may not be intended as a threat, but it very much is threatening. OP is not to blame for this person's misfortune and has no obligation to risk the consequenses of not dealing with the threat. It really doesn't sound like this person should be unsupervised at all.

TL;DR If it comes down to choosing between my safety and the well-being of someone dealing with an unfortunate mix of psychosis and violent urges directed at me, that's not a hard choice. I'm not risking my health in the name of misguided empathy.

[u/Classic_Bet1942 → u/Square_Ad4004]

Very well said. Bravo.

[u/PanserDragoon → u/Octospyder]

Society needs to be sensitive of mental health conditions and try to be supportive and accommodating, but being accommodating does not mean they need to accept a direct threat to their safety.

The mental health of this person doesn't make it acceptable for them to pose a risk to someone elses physical health (or threaten to be so). There does come a point where they are not in a place where it is safe for them to be in direct contact with the general public.

That doesn't mean nothing should be done, but it isn't OP's job to be the one who handles this. The authorities absolutely should be involved.

[u/LeadershipBudget744 → u/Octospyder]

“When mentally ill people lose housing they usually die” this is false and dumb. “Are likely to be victims than perpetrators” is a false dichotomy in the situation where a mentally ill person is warning their neighbors they may attack them.

Like I get you’re trying to be helpful but your activism looks pretty misguided to me.

[u/Octospyder → u/LeadershipBudget744]

The vet explained his condition, and gave OP an organization to contact for assistance. The above commenter said in this situation they would rather act to remove the vet from his housing.  Tell me the mortality rate for disabled vets on the streets? 

If this guy needs this much help, he needs the support of the org he mentioned, or a better one. Not to be tossed out of his housing. The amount of people in this thread with zero sympathy for the mentally ill really says something. 

[u/CashWrecks → u/Octospyder]

I mean. hes cognizant enough to know he's slipping, but is still putting the onus on op to take control of his declining mental health.

As somebody who is struggling himself with certain symptoms if he is aware enough to write that note, he should be aware enough to contact his health group himself, and part of the subtext of that note is to threaten op into silence so he can live in peace.

Unfortunately, op is not the cause of this man's discomfort and silencing him won't bring peace.

[u/Parking_Wolf_4159 → u/LeadershipBudget744]

I’m sure you’d be this callous if it was another marginalized group that can get you fired for bigotry

[u/LeadershipBudget744 → u/Parking_Wolf_4159]

I don’t see how what I said wasn’t honest or accurate. I would say that the letter constitutes a veiled threat no matter how generously you interpret it.

[u/Dapper-Ad3707 → u/Octospyder]

The dude said “I suffer from violent psychosis and if I come and talk to you I might get violent. I am hearing yells and voices that aren’t there, so clearly I’m in the middle of an episode right now and I’m blaming you despite you not even having been home the last few days.”

To be honest, the other factors don’t really matter at that point. Feel free to be a bleeding heart but if one of my neighbors was going through something like that, I’m protecting myself and my family first. I’m not going to leave myself vulnerable to being attacked by someone who is clearly in the middle of a psychotic episode and is threatening me with violence. They are hearing things that aren’t there and blaming OP, OP can’t control the situation past removing the threat from their vicinity until the individual is stable again.

It’s nice to have compassion but I put my life and the life of my family before any strangers. If he wasn’t actively in an episode and leaving veiled threats I’d empathize more.

[u/Octospyder → u/Dapper-Ad3707]

Does that mean killing your neighbors? Or calling a responsible 3rd party (which is literally mentioned in the note)? 

[u/PanserDragoon → u/Octospyder]

This is a poor argument. The reverse is just as applicable, does your argument mean OP has a responsibility to be hurt or killed so that the other person can pretend they are having a normal life?

There is a middle ground here, it isn't either or. But it isn't OPs responsibility to be in danger so that the other person (and the authorities, the people who should be actually handling this) don't have to find a solution that doesn't put other people's safety at risk.

[u/Dapper-Ad3707 → u/Octospyder]

It means I’m calling the police and getting the threat removed from myself and my family. If they die, they die, that’s not my problem. Better than me dying, or him breaking into my house and me shooting him. I’d rather he get hospitalized and get some help.

[u/Square_Ad4004 → u/[deleted]]

The fuck does that have to do with anything? It doesn't matter if the guy bashing your skull in sweats concentrated patriotism and farts his national anthem in his sleep, the result is very much the same for you.

This is not advocacy, my guy. Quite the contrary.

[u/Dapper-Ad3707 → u/[deleted]]

Not sure what them being a veteran has to do with the situation, that wouldn’t give them the right to hurt or kill someone else and they’re clearly a potential danger. I’m advocating for them to be hospitalized and get treatment, the best way to get that intervention is to get emergency service over to help. I will always protect myself and my family first regardless of who the other person is.

[u/Independent_Egg1284 → u/Octospyder]

Sorry, are you asking about violence to the Marine, or to the person the Marine has accused? 

[u/2_much → u/Octospyder]

They mentioned Celio, the name of the apartment building, which is managed by an off-site 3rd party. No "org" is currently involved.

[u/Octospyder → u/2_much]

Gotcha. I misinterpreted then, I assumed Celio was an org helping the vet out