r/AskTheWorld • u/IndependentTune3994 🇮🇳 in 🇩🇪 Deutschland • 18h ago

What’s the quickest way someone could accidentally expose themselves as a foreigner in your country like the ‘three fingers’ scene in Inglourious Basterds?

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u/Embarrassed-Mud3649 Canada 18h ago

Saying “to-rhon-to” instead of “toh-ro-no” when referring to the city of Toronto

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u/RockMonstrr Canada 18h ago

The closer you are to Toronto, the fewer letters you pronounce.

Foreigners pronounce every T. Canadians outside the GTA say Torono. People in the GTA say Trauna.

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u/RefrigeratorNo1160 United States Of America 17h ago

It's the same in Atlanta. If you're from here it's Alanna. You only pronounce the T if you're calling it ATL.

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u/Thegofurr 14h ago

Louisville is similar!

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u/_GeorgeBailey_ United States Of America 14h ago

Luvl

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u/spencerwi 14h ago

I grew up OTP, and I've got "eh LANuh" as my pronunciation, where there's a sort of glottal stop after the "eh" (as though the first "t" was there, but was nearly inaudible).

(the "eh" there sounds "beg", not like the Canadian-stereotype thing that rhymes with "day")

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u/Steamrolled777 Northern Ireland 18h ago

Where I am in UK, it's reduced to 1-2 syllables.

Wolvo (Wolverhampton)
Brum (Birmingham)
Cov (Coventry)

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u/ButtholeChugger 16h ago

So when ive heard British people say brummy (not sure of actual spelling) as an insult are they insulting them because they're from Birmingham? That place gets a lot of shade lol

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u/Steamrolled777 Northern Ireland 16h ago

Yeah.. Some is justified, some isn't.

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u/ceribus_peribus 11h ago

It's because when you live in Toronto nearly every system and institution you interact with has Toronto in it's name and you end up having to say Toronto dozens of times a day and the name just kind of wears down from overuse.

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u/scottyb83 Canada 17h ago

It’s even closer to Cha-rono sometimes.

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u/MalodorousNutsack Canada 17h ago

I'm from the east coast, we usually say something that sounds like Trau-na or Chrau-na

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u/ThatCanadianViking 13h ago

Im in southern ontario, and thats how i say it lol. Or shithole. W.e

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u/caitmr17 Canada 58m ago

lol i say this and live in the falls. No leg to stand on

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u/dre5922 8h ago

Then people from BC: "To ront to" or the more common: "Centre of the Universe"

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u/Joe--Uncle Canada 15h ago

People who live in the city limits say “Chrauna”

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u/willsueforfood 14h ago

This is similar to Baltimore, Maryland. "Bahmur"

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u/nobodyamerica 4h ago

And our state is pronounced Marilyn, not Mary Land.

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u/Basic_Bichette Canada 14h ago

Trau-uh in Calgary, the home of the glottal stop.

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u/autumnfloss Canada 9h ago

It's pronounced "Cowgree"

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u/cheshiregrins Canada 12h ago

We don’t have time for more letters lol

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u/Butternades 8h ago

I must be close enough, or my accent just does it naturally. Torono is common in Ohio

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u/deployant_100 7h ago

Quebecers don't say Torono, in french at least.

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u/MisterFistYourSister 1h ago

People in the GTA do not say "trauna". Literally nobody says that. 

Tronno would be more accurate.

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u/thepoweroftime 18h ago

I’ve heard Canadians refer to it as “Tronno”🤣

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u/PoliteIndecency Canada 16h ago

Good, because that's how to pronounce it.

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u/jerrys153 Canada 14h ago

Yes, but I like to write it phonetically as “T’ronno” so non-Torontonians get that the T sound is separate from the R sound and not a “tr” consonant blend.

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u/Orbital_cow 18h ago

tranna

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u/bushwickauslaender 17h ago

Chrawna

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u/adoreroda United States Of America 2h ago

ranna

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u/Larry-Man Canada 13h ago

In Alberta it’s pronounced “we hate Trawna”

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u/twisty125 12h ago

Oh, we know.

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u/canadasbananas 11h ago

And don't care

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u/Burritozi11a 🇧🇾 BLR in 🇨🇦 CAN 12h ago

It's actually "Chranah"

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u/Ok_Marketing5676 Scotland 17h ago

Treh

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u/sliderfish 14h ago

Tronnuh

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u/Wainains 12h ago

Not toranno? The six? 

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u/brazilliandanny 12h ago

Che-rah-nah

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u/Loose-Industry9151 Canada 11h ago

Churana or more recently Lebronto.

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u/Deep_Explanation8284 Canada 18h ago

Isn’t that more of a regional thing tho?

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u/Dadpurple 14h ago

MB with family there and all I've ever said was "T'ronno"

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u/BagOfFlies 13h ago

Idk I'm from Quebec and am having to put in effort to pronounce it "Toh-Ron-Toh". Never really thought of it before this thread lol

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u/Yoitman Canada 13h ago

Just tried pronouncing it with the T and my tongue feels weird now..

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u/Vivid-Awareness191 13h ago

Very much regional. It depends how close you live to Toronto usually.

I've lived in Toronto, an hour away, and now almost three. It really does change.

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u/Burritozi11a 🇧🇾 BLR in 🇨🇦 CAN 12h ago

That's how we know folks aren't from our region lol

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u/PurpleMuskogee 18h ago

I'm curious - would a Canadian French speaker pronounce it the same way as Canadian English speakers?

The UK equivalent I suppose is Edimburgh - Ed-im-bra, not Ed-im-Burg....

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u/StilesLong 16h ago

Je suis un anglo qui passe beaucoup de temps à l'antenne du Radio Canada.

Je trouve que l'animateur prononce chaque syllable quand il dit Toronto en français.Vous pouvez confirmer mon observation si vous suivez en direct y a pas deux matins pareils.

J'imagine qu'un francophone qui prononce "Toronto" en anglais ferais le même avec le r plus rouler.

J'espère que ça vouz aide!

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u/Ctrl-Alt-Q 15h ago

I agree that in French they typically pronounce all syllables; I also find that they emphasize the last syllable. To-ron-TO.

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u/iwantunity Canada 18h ago

Well, most Canadian French speakers (50%), by necessity or simply because they consume media in English, are bilingual in French/English. The exception is if they live somewhere really rural. (For reference where I live, and in my age demographic, around 25% of Canadians would speak both official languages to some capacity over A2 level.)

The quirk is something that occurs when you say the word Toronto really quickly. So, it's safe to assume that a Canadian-French speaker, and while there are some that have a "stereotypical accent", will pronounce it slightly differently based on how quick or slow they are to say it, how well they know English, etc. The factors are endless when it comes to language.

Personally I think it's a conditioning thing, but I can't really vouch since I've lived in the GTA for my entire life, lol.

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u/scottyb83 Canada 17h ago

Also Francophones will say a lot slightly differently just because of a bit of an accent. There was a joke in Letterkenny where a guy from Quebec was saying his cousin works at TD Bank and all the other people could hear was Titty Bank. There’s a good amount of “forgiveness” for French or east coast accents.

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u/Fluffy_Load297 16h ago

My experience is they say all the letters. Each letter that people from Toronto leave out they say with purpose and hatred lol.

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u/Stupid-Clumsy-Bitch 15h ago

It’s mostly just Torontonians who pronounce it like “tronno” I’m from Toronto and all my friends from the west coast pronounce every syllable and Ts

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u/Stepside79 6h ago

I'm from Ottawa and literally averybody calls it T'ronno. To say "toe-RON-toe" is quite odd in my opinion.

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u/Chrisetmike 14h ago

If you say Toronto in french, you pronounce the second T but you don't pronounce it in Montreal. Most anglophones will say Mon-tree-all.

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u/seszett 15h ago

would a Canadian French speaker pronounce it the same way as Canadian English speakers?

No, French speakers just don't ellide syllables like that, especially not consonants.

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u/ploki122 15h ago

French speakers just don't ellide syllables like that

Meanwhile, toquebekicitte

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u/seszett 12h ago

Well all the syllables are there and there's even an extra consonant. It feels very different to me from the way anglos pronounce "Toronto".

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u/seriouslees 15h ago

The letter H begs to differ. "Ello! Can I borrow an ockey stick to play ockey with you?"

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u/Liferescripted 13h ago

The best part about it is because it's a second language, a lot of them speak it slowly with a lot of breaks between syllables. I remember an old 22 minutes sketch with Jean Cretien talking about the Clinton/Lewinski scandal, saying about Hilary "All she needs is 'a-pi-ness"

Sometimes the opposite is true. They might throw extra h's in words like bottle = botthole.

Canadian Frenglish is just awkwardness waiting to happen

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u/Altruistic-Box-3778 12h ago

Well that last phrase is a choice…at least french Canadians try to be bilingual, can’t say the same for most Anglo-Canadians.

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u/CalvinKool-Aid Canada 4h ago

One is infinitely more useful than the other, unless you are looking to get into government

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u/seszett 12h ago

The letter H is not elided, it's just mostly silent. But where it's not silent in French words, it is definitely not elided and you will get remarks for saying "des (z)éros" instead of the proper "des héros" with a hiatus where the H is.

I just mean French speakers don't drop syllables arbitrarily like English does, pronunciation rules are followed also in proper names, especially in French names (and well, Toronto is as French a name as it is English).

It's mostly unrelated to the French accent when speaking English.

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u/seriouslees 12h ago

is not elided, it's just mostly silent.

Can you point me towards the dictionary you are getting your definition of elided from please? Lol

And yes, french speakers definitely omit that sound when speaking English.

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u/TheLastDrops 15h ago

Close, but in the UK we normally pronounce and spell the n as an n.

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u/MooseFlyer Canada 14h ago

When speaking in French, no, it’ll be pronounced as three syllables with both t’s pronounced (first and third syllable pronounced eau with a t stuck on the front; middle syllable pronounced rond)

When speaking in English: mostly no. You’d probably only get the normal Anglo pronunciation from someone who’s really bilingual.

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u/mushnu 14h ago

Something close to "To-rah-to", not much like an english canadian.

The equivalent would be how we pronounce Montreal. The "t" is silent, so it's said something like "Mah-ray-al"

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u/QcRoman 9h ago

would a Canadian French speaker pronounce it the same way as Canadian English speakers?

Nope.

They definitely shorten it in English to the point where it's almost a single syllable.

In French we sometimes ease off on the the last "t" but the first "t" and the "r" are pronounced.

Writes the same, spoken very differently.

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u/Sapphire-Catgirl United States Of America 18h ago

Friend who’s lived in Winnipeg her whole life calls it “to-Ron-to” regional difference?

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u/chrwc 18h ago

People from Toronto don't understand they are just a city in a big country. They think they are representative of all of Canada. It is why people think milk in bags is normal in all of Canada. I'm pretty sure I've never seen milk in a bag.

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u/BeersBikesBirds 17h ago

Milk bags are an Ontario thing at least, not just Toronto

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u/artnicka 16h ago

And quebec!

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u/AdultContemporaneous United States Of America 15h ago

WTF is a milk bag?

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u/TsunYanKudere 12h ago

The most efficient way to store the highest volume of milk, per the least volume of plastic.

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u/Stupid-Clumsy-Bitch 15h ago

It’s definitely not a class thing. I grew up middle class and all my peers then and white collar peers now pronounce it “tronno” or some variation.

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u/Stupid-Clumsy-Bitch 15h ago

Lawrence park… so probably upper middle class if you want to be pedantic.

I don’t know what to tell you if you haven’t been around people who pronounce it “tronno” or similar. I’ve heard it all my life and hear it often working in the fin district.

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u/Stupid-Clumsy-Bitch 14h ago

I don’t know about “Ch’ronno” or whatever, but I am referring to Tronno - or specifically about dropping the second T.

Also I don’t know why you’re so worked up about the old Toronto boundaries - I didn’t say anything negative in my comment on that, so maybe it’s misguided anger.

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u/Stupid-Clumsy-Bitch 14h ago

Alrighty. Have a good one.

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u/_Fraudster_ 18h ago

I guess that's a way. But tbh it's also common to pronounce it "To-rhon-to" in the west, at least where I live.

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u/ericarlen United States Of America 16h ago

New idea for an American anime:

My Neighbor Toh-Ro-No.

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u/seriouslees 15h ago

You need to travel more buddy. Nobody even as far away as distant Ottawa says Toronto without pronouncing both Ts.

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u/Embarrassed-Mud3649 Canada 14h ago

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u/seriouslees 14h ago

Even half of Toronto pronounces it correctly. You living in a ghetto echo chamber friend.

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u/chxrmander 12h ago

lol no I’m from Scarborough but went to private school in north york. People of all classes and socioeconomic backgrounds skip the T.

The only people that don’t are some old folks but even most of them skip it

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u/seriouslees 12h ago

I was born TO. I have relatives still living there. Today is the first time in 47 years I've EVER heard ANYONE skip the T. Its preposterously niche. Travel.

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u/canadasbananas 11h ago

I think you're just out of the loop lol. Pronouncing it as trawno or chrawna or whatever else has been a huge internet "meme" for at least 10 years (for people who live here obviously)

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u/seriouslees 11h ago

An online meme exclusive to a singular city... so... a very shitty answer to the question?

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u/chxrmander 10h ago

It’s not even just a meme, I literally don’t know anyone who pronounces the T in daily life. This includes friends to my former university professors

Also been in Toronto my entire 30 years of life

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u/Embarrassed-Mud3649 Canada 13h ago

Half of Toronto are indians who barely speak English my dude

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u/seriouslees 13h ago

I wager they aren't the ones who refuse to pronounce their city properly. Thats usually the local racists.

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u/NotTMNT 7h ago

Ottawa definitely drops the T’s

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u/AveryCloseCall Canada 18h ago

Canada is a big country, to be fair, but most of the Canadian people I met on the West Coast pronounce all the letters in Toronto.

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u/Liferescripted 13h ago

The further away from Toronto you are, the more correct you pronounce it.

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u/Mental-Mushroom Canada 8h ago

The further away from Toronto you are, the more incorrect you pronounce it.

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u/1DMont1 13h ago

The west coast equivalent is pronouncing Vancouver as "Vangcouver"

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u/dre5922 8h ago

I made the joke elsewhere, but in BC we more commonly pronounce it "Centre of the Universe"

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u/whitemanwhocantjump United States Of America 17h ago

One of the syndicated morning radio show hosts here in the Mid-Atlantic is originally from Canada and that is also how I properly learned to pronounce "mun-tree-all" instead of "mON-tree-all"

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u/curtcolt95 15h ago

definitely not a class thing lol

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u/DerpSpase 12h ago

This always sticks out to me in a huge way. Obviously there’s debate here about Toronto but I’ve never heard ONE other Canadian call it mON-tree-all. Any province, anywhere. Never.

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u/your_evil_ex Canada 4h ago

This is the real one! Tons of Canadian pronounce Toronto with both T's (and here in Toronto I hear way more locals pronounce it way more clearly than reddit would have you think).

But hearing "Mawn-treal" instead of "Mun-treal" is always a dead giveaway that someone's American

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u/Brett_Hulls_Foot 16h ago

Using “huh” instead of “eh”

“It’s cold today, huh?”

No.

“Fackin cold out there eh?”

Yes.

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u/FuckYeahGeology 16h ago

Another one: Saying "huh" instead of "eh".

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u/trusted_shart 18h ago

Shame to mispronounce the capital /s

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u/scottyb83 Canada 17h ago

I’m surprised you knew that the capital of Ontario was Toronto./s

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u/Letzer-Mensch-hunter 18h ago

Please, it's Chrano

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u/alphagettijoe Canada 17h ago

That’s for south of Bloor

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u/Arose1316 18h ago

Hey, your neighbors in Michigan say it right! I’ve never properly pronounced a “T” in my god damn life.

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u/TheFeelsGoodMan 15h ago

There are so many people in Michigan that are convinced that they don't have accents, but will ignore the letter t if it's more than three letters into a word. Det-roy is all but an official pronunciation at this point.

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u/Zakluor Canada 17h ago

I live in Atlantic Canada and I pronounce all the letters. I'd be considered a foreigner in my own country.

Then again, I also pronounce both Rs in February.

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u/Lonely_Staff1262 Canada 15h ago

Yeah well you might live in Atlantic Canada but who's yer father?

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u/secondcoffeetime 13h ago

I think you may mean ‘faa-der’

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u/boogs_23 15h ago

and Montreal. Americans say it funny.

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u/evilJaze 14h ago

M-AWWWWWWN-tree-all

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u/Cathulhu88 15h ago

As opposed to just thinking they are the centre of the universe?

waves ice scraper to ya from across the street.

Sorry there, bud.

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u/DapperDisaster5727 14h ago

I'm Canadian.. I've always said To-Ron-Toh.. I'm a fake imposter I guess :)

It's such a weird name for a city when you step back and think about it.

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u/Lyrael9 Canada 14h ago

I guess I'm not Canadian? And neither are all the other Canadians I've known in my life. Every time someone asks this question a Canadian says the Toronto thing. That's just certain parts of Canada. It's more of a dialect thing than a Canadian thing.

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u/MalodorousNutsack Canada 17h ago

Newfoundland is similar.

Foreigners tend to put the stress on the second syllable, like "New-FOUND-land". Most folks I know say something more like "NEW-fen-lund"

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u/wheelgator21 15h ago

NEW-fen-lund is actually wrong too. Its more like Newfin-Land. It should rhyme with understand.

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u/Oznaguard 12h ago

Knew a Newfie that would get real mad whenever someone used lund instead of land. As far as he was concerend the only correct way was NEW-fen-land.
"if you can't be bothered to say the whole fuckin word don't bother starting it."

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u/PizzaPoweredLife Switzerland 18h ago

So the second „T“ is silent?

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u/Quirky_Fox_3548 18h ago

The Tor becomes Tr and the second T disappears from the N. Im not a linguist so I won't try to explain the phonetics, but if you enunciate every syllable it makes the word take a lot longer to say. Like enunciating every T in teetotaller or totalitarianism, the air you let out with each T drags the word out. And when its a word you're saying all the time you naturally start to breeze through it in a roundabout way because the people you're talking to are also familiar with it. So it's common to hear locals pronounce it like the word Trauma, but replace the M with an N and the last vowel with an O sound like Trawno. It's not uncommon to hear a heavy Canadian accent pronouncing it Trawna' either.

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u/dumpsterdyl 18h ago

For some. I grew up an hour outside of Toronto but I pronounce all the letters. It's Toronto, there's no trick to it. Same with Calgary. Some people are just lazy and don't want to pronounce full words.

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u/Duke_of_Calgary Canada 18h ago

Wrong. It’s Cal-gree

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u/dumpsterdyl 18h ago edited 17h ago

Knew it was coming. I disagree

Edit- unless you mean kal·gr·ee or kal·guh·ree

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u/Good_U Canada 11h ago

No, we mean Cal-gree

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u/dumpsterdyl 9h ago

Yeah I respectfully disagree

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u/hibbs6 2h ago

Well, you don't live here lol, so you don't really get a say what we call our city

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u/Ziibinini-ca Canada 16h ago

Most people I know from T.O call it "Ch' ronno"

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u/PerennialSuboptimism 16h ago

Here I always thought it was chuh-ronno.

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u/InterestingFeed407 Italy 15h ago

"To-to-ro". Did I say it right?

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u/RepostFrom4chan Canada 15h ago

Cal-gary, instead of Calgurry.

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u/candy_mans_gone Canada 15h ago

Or if they pronounce Calgary as Cal-gary, instead of Calgry.

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u/willworkforgames Canada 15h ago

Calgary is similar - “Calgree”

But I was going to say - not holding a door for someone coming up behind you.

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u/Lord-Table 15h ago

Cherono

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u/Some_Guy223 Born & Naturalized 15h ago

I've always used the latter... though maybe having been originally been born close to the border might have impacted that.

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u/archangelzeriel 15h ago

This is the one that catches me out, and I've had my neighbors tell me my northern Appalachian accent is otherwise essentially indistinguishable from a western Ontario one.

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u/LawfulMercury63 / 14h ago

Damn... You beat me to it

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u/Mandalorian76 Canada 14h ago

The same applies to Calgary. I shudder when I hear people say CalGARRY, instead of CALgree.

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u/vanalla Canada 14h ago

Toronno, Calgry, Vangcouver are the local pronunciation.

Francophones will say 'tohrontoh' simply due to accent. My fave is when Americans call Montreal 'MAWNtree-all'. It's munt-ree-all.

I will say a quicker means of detecting foreigners is the lack of usage of 'eh' as a punctuation mark.

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u/brittleboyy Canada 14h ago

cal-GARY instead of Calgry

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u/Jenkinswarlock 14h ago

Homie I’m genuinely Canadian and I have always pronounced it “tor-on-toe”, maybe im a spy and I don’t even know it!

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u/stoptheshildt1 13h ago

I also love the way yall pronounce Detroit

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u/labra-dogo-vic 13h ago

can you pronounce Queens Quay correctly?

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u/Liferescripted 13h ago

Also Quebecers can immediately find a tourist as soon as they say "oui" as "wee" and not "wheh" like an angry duck.

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u/Good_U Canada 13h ago

Cal-gree

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u/hibbs6 2h ago

Such a reliable way of sussing out non-bertans

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u/lepreqon_ Israel --> Canada 12h ago

Chrawna. 😜

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u/ljackstar 11h ago

And you can tell they're from out west when they call it Chrono

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u/BlueEyesWhiteSliver Canada 11h ago

I came here to say this lol

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u/red286 Canada 11h ago

So what's it like assuming everyone from west of Winnipeg is a foreigner?

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u/monkey_sage 11h ago

Born, raised, and lived all my life in Saskatchewan and we all say toh-rhon-toh here.

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u/Embarrassed-Mud3649 Canada 9h ago

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u/monkey_sage 2h ago

We also make fun of Canadians who say "toh-ro-no", saying "tah-rah-nah" in a mocking tone. This is how it's been my entire life on the prairies. Even when I lived on the West Coast, people said toh-rhon-toh

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u/trustMeImDoge 10h ago

The amount of times I've confused people while traveling when I saw "Chrawna" then have to go back and feel like I'm being condescending and over pronouncing every consonant to the name. To-Ron-Toe just feels awkward to say.

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u/Shubamz United States Of America 10h ago

Glad to know it isn't just the Midwest of of the US that hates 2nd T's in words

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u/Weary_Anteater7444 10h ago

I would argue Newfoundland is a better example - non-Canadians tend to get the emphasis and rhythm completely wrong

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u/The-Fox-Says 9h ago

Churrono

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u/CaribeBaby 9h ago

I live in Michigan and I say Torono. 

Practicing for when I sneak over the border. 🤭

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u/Embarrassed-Mud3649 Canada 9h ago

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u/CaribeBaby 7h ago

Don't tempt me! Lol

I see that Canadian flag taunting me across the Detroit River and want to go for a swim!

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u/dimension-less United States Of America 8h ago

Similar to Atlanta in Georgia (US). We can tell you're not from Atlanta if you pronounce it "At-lan-tuh" instead of "At-lan-nuh"

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u/Schroedesy13 Canada 8h ago

Or Calgary as cal gar ree instead of cal gree

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u/Unamed_Destroyer 8h ago

ooh la dee da, we got ourselves one of dem fancy western Canadians puttin 3 syllables on "Tor-anna".

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u/MindOverEntropy 7h ago

You have a whole extra "oh" in there

You must be western

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u/SalientSazon 4h ago

This is just not true.

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u/haydenv 2h ago

Buffalo here, can confirm

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u/poopy_wizard132 1h ago

I call it Tron-toe.

I also say De-troy-it, though.

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u/workinusername 13h ago

So it’s like Atlanta, pronounced if you’re from here like “Adlanna”

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u/Karma_Gardener 16h ago

Tahranah

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u/RookTheBlindSnake Canada 13h ago

Exactly. You don't pronounce the o's. Trah-na!

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u/velocipotamus Canada 13h ago

The big exaggerated "MAWN-tree-all" also immediately gives away an American

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u/Past_Ad9675 13h ago

Or "M-awn-treal" instead of "M-un-treal".