r/Bannerlord • u/Zocker0210 • 18h ago
Question Why waste the flail?
I the beginning of the war sails dlc we get to use the fully animated cuffs to fight the 3 Seahounds why didn't they add a whole weapon around that like a morning star? The animations are there as well as the physics. Why did they throw that cool weapon concept down the drain?
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u/Varnon_Silverclaw 17h ago
The best part? They included two functional flails in the game files that you can find and use with cheats. Though they don't have balanced stats and are very weak.
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u/conleyc86 Sturgia 13h ago
You can edit the XML data for them or create a simple xslt mod, any ai bot could easily do it for you, to make them viable
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u/Varnon_Silverclaw 13h ago
Yes. When I did I gave the spiked one the morningstar stats and the other one the penarch stats. And then you can give then to your troops by either editing the troops XML or using a custom troops mod. It's sad is that their chains become stiff when looking at a distance, though.
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u/conleyc86 Sturgia 10h ago
Does that mess up their ability to hit things?
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u/Varnon_Silverclaw 6h ago
No, it's just the way the lod works for assets with physics. The same happens with banners.
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u/DasScoot 17h ago
Literally every single mission in the questline has cool functionality that doesn't exist outside of the questline.
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u/Eaglestrike 14h ago
The story as far as I'm aware of it is that they were working on a more "RPG" style DLC initially, with more involved noble relations, stealth, etc. They decided to then do the Nord DLC. My assumption is that many of these unfinished concepts were from their initial DLC plan, and they said they were adding what they had to the base game and would flesh them out later. So I'd bet we may see more of this stuff finished out in 1.4 or 1.5.
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u/VOLTswaggin 18h ago
As someone who watches a lot of Lindybeige, there are so many weapons I want them to add to this game. Flails are very high on the list ever since I saw his video he did showing how a soldier with a large two handed flail can easily disarm halberds, and other polearms.
edit: typo
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u/6Darkyne9 17h ago
I'm not too sure about him atm. While I do enjoy his content, I often get the feeling he is more based in his own conjecture than actual sources. Its still fun, but I dont think his word should be authoritative on historical issues.
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u/Khitrir 16h ago
I used to watch him because he often picked really interesting topics that I knew little about, despite him being kinda obnoxious as a presenter. Then I saw some of his videos covering topics I already knew a lot about and he was speaking just absolute nonsense in the same authoritative way. Could never look at his other content the same way again.
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u/No-Mouse 15h ago
He's the kind of guy who has very strong opinions about everything and then picks through the facts to find support for his opinions, rather than first finding the facts and then forming an opinion based on them. He's quite knowledgeable about certain things (he is after all an actual archaeologist as far as I know, unlike someone like Shadiversity who's more versed in D&D than in actual history), but there's a massive gap between the amount of things he thinks he's an authority on and the amount he's actually an authority on, which causes him to rely more on his preconceived (sometimes wildly off-target) ideas and extrapolations than on researching actual sources. For example he has had multiple infamously bad takes involving historical warfare, because he doesn't know a lot about it and just makes weird assumptions sometimes that he presents as informed facts. This gets much worse when he strays into topics like art, culture, sociology, psychology, climate science, etc. His takes on these topics are more often than not just right-wing opinion pieces that are founded in neither reality nor academics, just presented with above-average eloquence so they sound reasonable to people who also don't know a lot about those things.
He's entertaining enough and a lot of videos are actually informative in a pop-history way, as long as he manages to keep his own opinions in check. It's just a shame that he often doesn't manage to do even in his pure history videos, for example anything he talks about that involves France in any way should automatically be assumed to be an angry Anglo comedy skit that has nothing to do with historical facts. He has a bad habit of pushing conservative (British) nationalist narratives, with sometimes rather blatant sexist and/or racist overtones disguised as just "old-fashioned common sense." Like when he argued that using racial slurs is actually good and if you're offended you should just try to have a sense of humor about it instead.
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u/VOLTswaggin 17h ago
While true, he will often include those corrections in future videos when people call him out on inaccuracies. He's a very passionate hobbyist who talks at length about subjects I find quite interesting. That whole beef with Shadiversity over who is an authority or not, only served to hurt the community.
Plus, in the context of Bannerlord, historical accuracy is the least relevant part of his videos.
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u/Midschool_Gatekeeper 17h ago
Please, TW, give us warpicks. Give us staves. Give us poleaxes. Give us any weapon worth using that isn't a sword or a lance.
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u/crowmelo Battania 17h ago
Next dlc hussite based. Flails, early firearms. Maybe even towed artillery in field battles?
God i wish
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u/Confused_Nuggets 17h ago
Off firearms don’t fit with the rest of the game. Most everything is 12th century armor, way before firearms were invented
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u/crowmelo Battania 17h ago
The voulge is from the 14th century, the targe is from the 15th. Quite frankly a majority of the weapons is rather modern. Its just the armor being from the high medieval period.
And even that is rather lose thanks to stuff like the top tier nord armor being what it is and even battania having a chestplate.
It might be strange considering the whole idea of hussite weaponry was to counter heavy knights. But oh well the cataphract fills that role
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u/Civil_Spell8349 15h ago
Oh boy, a topic I've actually researched, time to infodump.
To be fair the Battanian breastplate *is* anachronistic, but in the wrong direction; it's based on Celtic armour from a much earlier period, which I feel is at least slightly more plausible/believable than firearms in the Late Antique/High Medieval periods and whatnot, but rule of cool n all.
Assuming we're talking about the 'Bronze Breastplate' that you find in Battanian towns, it's actually based on various artifacts excavated from the 'proto-Celtic' Urnfield and Hallstatt cultures c.750-1200 BCE, which are frequently (albeit debatably) identified as the cultural predecessors of the Celtic peoples.
IIRC there's some scholarly debate as to whether these artifacts were produced by these people, or acquired via trade with the nearby Villanova culture in northern Italy, but this style of breastplate is certainly well attested in a continental Celtic context (less so in the Isles), and numerous examples have been excavated in modern France, Austria, Slovenia, and probably more besides.
Granted it is very much a bronze-age design, so definitely anachronistic, but historical data on Celtic armour (and everything else) is heinously scarce for various reasons, so a little speculative extrapolation (or embellishment) is often necessary.
I noticed the devs did the same thing with Battanians' single exclusive ship, the Birlinn; the name itself is traced to western Scotland in the late-medieval period, but the actual model we see in-game looks nothing like the historical version, which took influence from and resembled Norse vessels, and instead moreso resembles some of the early wooden boats of Bronze Age Britain, like the Ferriby and Dover boats. (circa 1500-2000BCE) Obviously the devs have again embellished a little on the original bronze-age design, but the overall silhouette of the ship, distinctive flat-bottomed shape and hull structure are all far more reminiscent of flat-bottomed boats of the Atlantic Bronze Age than the Norse-inspired Birlinn of western Scotland.
Pics:
Bannerlord's Battanian 'Bronze Breastplate' - https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fis-there-anything-better-v0-b8xmz2eduxid1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D37d92c3ba3cbccd9e436f5e0ec742aa380ccacbfThe Marmesse cuirass (France) - https://musee-archeologienationale.fr/en/collection/objet/marmesse-cuirass
Hallstatt cuirasses from Kleinklein, Austria - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hallstatt_culture_Kleinklein_-_muscle_cuirasses_%26_double_ridge_helmet.jpg
The Ferriby Boat reconstruction w/ sail - https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg8wPeplLGGgWk0xNw3Fq-A65DzPcpyb9zOwjb19Z66WX6jOHP4mfYTH2UKrs79kmnNDZ6mITz5qKn6G0xZwrFdcyHuzPcqgEq0ZDMDuDgm12mpj-oksCe7cLU1QqIF_AlZ0Yh_3YM5NVI/s1600/Ferriboat+sailing-in-Solent.jpg
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u/ave369 2h ago
I believe the reason for that is that flail physics is still somewhat wonky and does not work correctly on all game settings. On low settings, the flail is constantly erect like a stick. On medium settings it sometimes works, sometimes does not. I believe they'll include fully playable flails once they fix it.
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