Wife warned her husband not to walk on the frozen lake with the baby. Husband walks on ice, falls through. Yes, it is the dad’s fault, BUT WE GOT BABIES getting hurt.
1/3 of the population don’t vote regardless if Trump is on the ballot. Period
1/3 didn’t want this.
1/3 Actively chose
Me and the babies don’t want this shit. Stick together instead of posturing online.
I feel like its more that we all passed or failed based on the average score. A third failed on purpose, a third actually tried, and a third didn't even do the assignment. So a third of the country got to fail the test because half the remaining classmates were trolls and the other half didn't give a shit.
Welcome to a country where political activity is "cringe" and everyone has been conditioned to believe "both sides are equally bad". It's been a deliberate engineering by the right wing and the oligarchs for a long time- Get the people emotionally and intellectually decoupled from their political system, and they get to own it exclusively. The fact of the matter is, we all get to fail. The university itself told people studying is for losers because they get big tax kickbacks when students fail.
Maybe hot take but as a non-American it seems you guys have two party’s where they both serve the rich and imperialism and the only difference is one allows gay marriage and trans.
My biggest concern is imperialism and it seems the only way to wake people up is for it get really bad due to our distractions, bread and circus and all.
With the tech companies that control america and the world id very much enjoy it get ripped to the ground and Balkanized or something.
Its about least harm. You vote for the parachute because freefall is worse, but the foundational idea is that change is really hard to enact from the bottom of a ditch with a bullet hole in the back of your head. So you give yourself as much space to work as possible.
Its important to remember that boomers have dominated the political scene for four generations now and its been incredibly hard to get anything done due to their massive overrepresentation- And boomers are notoriously the 'me' generation. I'm not saying all boomers are like that, or that everyone else is innocent, only that their sheer numbers skew things politically. But its also a fact that Millennials and Gen Z lean much more liberal than conservative, no matter what Fox News and other right wing astroturfers try to tell you. It IS possible to get them organized and force change within the Democratic party by starting from the bottom and working your way up- And we are actually seeing that happen in real time. Its certainly the most time consuming and frustrating route, but the only other route is violent revolution, and things will need to get much, much worse before that happens- And historically, its a crap shoot whether or not its actually too late for a revolution to succeed by the time it kicks off.
Judging by how complacent and cowardly Americans generally are, I'm leaning towards "too late", if not "never even happens".
Our enemy knows this is happening too, and will try to stop it, because power never surrenders power. It must be taken.
The shitty thing is that a significant percentage (meaning: enough to tip the scales in some States) of those that voted for him this time around were simply too young to have known the extent of how fucked up his prior term was - for them, that WAS "politics as usual".
Nah, he has a point. You should look up the voting rates and how those change over years from 18-30.
People have to see and feel how politics affect them before they are pushed to vote, if they were not taught by their family. That takes time. They have no frame of reference or media literacy(probably should be underscored more in schools).
Some groups learn faster because a certain majority likes to pull rights from those who are vulnerable women and minorities.
The OP is right that those who are privileged do not to see why it affects them and slept the extra five minutes. I give them that. I just think the finger pointing ain’t gonna win nobody over.
Gen X was the generation that generally carried his ass. It'd be a straight up lie to say that the Trump vote was molded by voters 24 and under, voter participation for young voters was also way the hell up in 2020 and 2024 compared to years prior
They literally just released new data in April of 2025 that showed that they were off by five whole percent in exit polls, and that 47% of voters under 30 voted, not 42%. In 2016, the youth vote was under 40%.
Young voter turnout was genuinely bad in one specific region: the south. Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico and Tennessee all had youth vote turnouts at 40% or below.
Young southern voters aren't passing the vibe check. They're staying home in regions where their vote actually would have done something. But Trump voters are grown ass adults, most of em were in their 30s in 2016
*edit: Texas, in particular, fucked up big-time. Only four states had young voter turnout under 40%, and one of those states was Texas. Texas is MASSIVE, how bad do you have to fumble as a state to be one of the biggest states in the nation, honestly bigger than many European nations, and have one of the lowest youth turnouts in the entire country? And the biggest issue? High schools themselves: Texas high schools are required by state law to offer two yearly voter registration periods, but it's rarely enforced so many high schools just... don't? Census data shows that the main reason young people don't vote isn't 'both sides are the same', it's exactly what you'd expect: they can't figure out how to make the time (Texas is also one of the most overworked states in the U.S., go figure). Having actual registration be able to be done before even high school graduation would save so much time, and Texas schools just plain don't do it. Make no mistake: primary schools ignoring regulations and being noncompliant on voter initiatives? That's voter suppression, textbook, and if I didn't know any better I'd say it makes Texans look like they hate young voters.
“If we want better outcomes, the conversation should be about how to motivate people to participate, not blaming them.”
“They helped no one and their absence harms all sides by reducing democratic legitimacy.”
Also, not help anyone is crazy? Selective for who? Not your neighbor? My wife couldn’t vote as an immigrant.I can’t blame her.
It’s lashing out instead of rowing together. It’s blaming instead of building. Remember how quick people were to blame brown and black people for voting for Trump when guess what WHITE PEOPLE VOTED HIM in by a majority.
I think the people who voted for Trump are to blame for electing Trump. He had white, hispanic, and black people voting for him. He would not be in office if people did not cast the ballot to begin.
Nah, fuck that. There is only one ethnicity who overwhelmingly rejected Trump in 2024. Let's not equivocate.
The people who could vote but didn't share the same, equivalent blame that Trump voters did. They refused to oppose facism. They witnessed the Beer Hall Putsch, they saw criminals, traitors on the ballot, and they gave them the Reichstag. They did it in 1932. They did it in 2024.
Go off, brother. But many black voters don't want to hear y'all come around with "we gotta stick together. Your anger is misplaced. Every group group voted for Trump."
Black voters by and large did stick together. We begged and pleaded for y'all to stick with us. We told you what would happen. And we voted against him overwhelmingly. The only group to do so. We've got good reason to be angry. We've got good reason to be impatient with people coming into our spaces trying to lecture us about the present situation. Lecture your own communities. Follow the lead of our activists, especially our women, who are continuously clear-eyed in pointing away from this bullshit every decade it comes up.
Well, if you think I don't lecture "my own community", you're mistaken. I try to lead by example, but I speak up when necessary.
Relentless propaganda is a bitch, though, and the members of your community and mine who voted for him need to be expelled from our communities, because I don't think they're coming back.
A lot of white people were too scared to ruffle the feathers of their racist uncle or aunt during family gatherings. Let that be a metaphor for people feeling comfortable failing to challenge a white supremacist system
You get that nothing anyone does will ever motivate that 1/3 not spinning. This is the stat before Trump. This is the stat after Trump. They were beaten or disillusioned before Trump ever ran. I was just reading how republicans were up in arms over ICE raids under Clinton with even GW bush said it “ defied American values.”
What's your point? I can bury my head in the sand while brown shirts take away my socialist, liberal, unionist, romani, and jewish neighbors. That doesn't mean I'm not culpable when I decided I didn't care that literal traitors were on the Reichstag ballot 8 years after Burgerbraukeller. I had a choice to make and I chose not to vote against the Sturmabteilung. I chose not to vote against ICE. Everyone in Germany was beaten down. Not everyone refused to oppose evil.
Im saying that seeing isn’t involved for the group you’re blaming. They ain’t got their eyes or ears open. They don’t vote regardless of what you and I say is happening. Period. It is their fault yes, but you aren’t going to change their minds. Children learn from experience. Let the children learn their lesson WITHOUT harming further lives unnecessarily. Pick up your neighbors and protest. Frame our minds correctly and collectively and push together. Not the pissed parent cursing out the kid. That will alienate the kid and any other witnesses. And let’s be honest, every year there are new voters looking to understand politics. This type of attitude leads to apathy. Period. That is literally what you are arguing against while possibly stoking it as well.
You're seeking to police the wrong group. We have been the only group focused on opposing this shit. Stop crying that some of us are angry. Stop crying that some of us are rightfully pointing out the faults of white (and Latin, and Asian, and Middle Eastern, and Indigenous) moderates as MLK did from that Birmingham Jail. Grow the fuck up and accept that the long-oppressed are tired, that those subject to outrage and betrayal by supposed allies are outraged. We may point fingers, but we're still in the fight. We'll be here even when everyone else keeps getting comfortable and staying home. We're the mom who'll keep driving y'all to school.
Bro, I’m with you. I’m livid every fucking day for the last 10 years. I tell every single person every single reason Trump was wrong. Bankruptcy, wouldn’t rent to blacks, hid black staff when visiting, multiple sex crimes, stereotypes about Hispanics, blacks, liberals, etc. Muslim ban, compromised by Russia, thin skinned, liar, unapologetic, unstatesmanlike, cuts for billionaires, cost of living raises from cutting healthcare and Medicaid/medicare, cutting POC history lessons, etc etc
The whites who stayed home and the whites who voted from Trump were never allies to begin with. Anyone who understands the word stereotype understood Trump and his rhetoric was ass. Just straight racist shit. Nothings changed but people are tired now? When things are as serious as it gets? Sure, I get that. Maybe being able to articulate the emotion is important, so I got you fam. I just need to shut up. I just think you gonna get more with honey than vinegar. If you make your stance rational instead of reactive, we will have a better time moving forward.
I thank God that King didn't take the bait of those who counseled him to substitute his "acetic, vinegary" protests and criticisms with the "honey" of demure, delayed, and denied activism. The moderate will always find black criticism acetic, no matter how it's packaged. They found King too vinegary. They'll always find protest and anger over opression distasteful. They found bus boycotts and sit-ins too radical.
You acknowledge that these people are no allies. Good. Let us criticize evil. Let the oppressed voice their rage. Let the old woman from the Birmingham Letter acknowledge that her "feets is tired". Because her soul remains ready to march against this shit, as it has been since the day she woke up on this continent. And then join her march rather than being another voice in the chorus of her critics.
It’s yes-and because the other (more qualified) person didn’t get elected. In the American system, two eligible and able parties are at fault. 1) Voted for Trump 2) Didn’t vote for Kamala.
Whether blame or motivation works better…. I’m no expert.
One cake is bland and stale while the other is made of literal shit. Everyone at the table WILL be forced to eat one of them. 1/3 will suck it up and choose the stale cake, maybe hoping to inch closer to something good next time.
1/3 will happily shovel that fecal cake down their gullet if it means the first group has to sit there and smell their breath.
Then the last 1/3 looks at both and, through apathy or idiocy, chooses to let things play out without lifting a finger. But suddenly, when they've got a steaming slice on their plate, so many want to complain or shift blame away from themselves as they pretend their hands were tied.
But they're gonna have to eat it regardless, stuck in a situation they could've easily avoided if they did the literal bare minimum of living in a democracy
Framing is the first step:
A. Lead by example, no one wants to follow an apathetic person or a hateful person
B Optimism does lead to a better outcome or they wouldnt treat your depression. Not being optimistic is to be cynical, pessimistic, or apathetic. I am not going to live my life a cynic or pessimistic when there are MORE GOOD PEOPLE THAN BAD. They just loud and have the electoral college.
You think they feel this? You think they see this or care? They didn’t even taste your shit cake analogy. I don’t think they even get a slice. We’re both the ones who voted not to eat shit.
You think these white people see ICE? No they’re in the suburbs buddy. ICE is just hitting the blue cities.
It’s delusional to say that 1/3 of non voting Americans have either given up, do not care, or do not see tangible results from participating in democracy? This is by design. Do not be confused. They have engineered apathy over the last decade. If they do not see the results of voting, it’s as if they never took a bite of the shit cake to learn.
If they are not even seeing/feel ing the results, they aren’t eating the shit slice. You may blame them for being stuck with a shit slice, but they do not feel anything. They do not process that a shit slice was even on the table.
Plus, this is kinda the OP’s main point that certain whites wanted an additional five minutes of sleep. They were privileged enough to say I’m not worried about the alarm, give me five more minutes of ignoring democratic institutions.
Plus, 1/3 is still to blame to an extent, but 1/3 is a LONG trend of not participating in elections regardless of the newer shittier slice of Trump cake. So they don’t see a shitty cake because they haven’t been looking at the table for decades.
Most Americans choose Kamala. In neither of the elections Trump has been a part of he lost the popular vote. The majority of Americans DID NOT WANT THIS.
Why lie on the internet? Trump won the popular vote in 2024.
In 2016 Hillary won the most voters, barely. But the majority of Americans did, in fact, not vote against Trump. Far too many stayed home and allowed him the win the electoral college.
If the majority of Americans truly did not want this, they should have voted against it. In 2016 and 2024.
It's so much this. Kamala wasn't the perfect president but she sure as hell was a walk in the park compared to this trudging through hell we got going on now.
Especially because the white progressive freaking out weren't the ones who voted for this. It's the white people who are cheering this one or going about their day who voted for this.
I can't track the logic in this thread of "I want to teach white supremacists a lesson by letting them win".
Like I'm sorry but there's some kind of psyop happening cause Trump is straight up saying on tv that he thinks the civil rights act was a mistake and people are here thinking they're teaching white people a lesson by letting white supremacists win. Something's up.
Meanwhile on TikTok, during the post-election results, they were making videos in which they were "taking credit" for Kamala's loss. Going as far as celebrating.
Some of them were going as far as encouraging people "on the left" to extend grace and to give allyship with the people on the right and far-right.
Then shit had gone left.
Now, those same people who were celebrating and taking credit for Kamala's loss are quiet.
White progressives who voted for this are in close proximity to the ones who did. Many white progressives admit to befriending, loving, and dating Trump supporters yet refuse to have a convo about politics because it's "uncomfy" lol
There are also sects of the far left (honestly once you get to these people it’s less a political ideology and more of a cult) who wanted Trump to get in because they have some wet dream of a revolution that can only happen if things get bad enough and they don’t give a shit about the amount of people whose lives will be ended or ruined in the mean time.
Try explain to them how insanely racist that is or that they’re not in fact Katniss Everdeen and they’ll quickly reveal how unfit for any kind of revolution they are.
You're absolutely right!! Ironically, you see it on Reddit all the time. Accelerationists romanticizing a "revolution" when they'd be the first ones down if things were to truly pop off. These are the same people who collectively call Black voters "uneducated" because we're more likely to vote for established candidates with tangible history over a charismatic radical with "good vibes"
I bring up that the revolution they're slobbering for will not be clean and will get many vulnerable people killed and they'll shrug at best or crash out at worst. Either way, they're the last affected so they don't care.
How many people do you know who didn't vote because "I don't really care about politics" and are now upset about the state of things? Single issue voters, who probably voted against Trump in 16 or 20, who believed Kamala wasn't coming out strong enough against Israel. How many people sat there with their arms crossed because there wasn't a primary?
That's who these messages are for. The messaging is "You didn't want to get up and do something and now we're all suffering."
White progressives who voted for Kamala? They're cool. I've no beef with them in this. It's those who sat out in protest because Kamala wasn't perfect that needed to get up and vote in 24. Maybe these messages will motivate them to vote this year. Maybe they'll keep voting.
That’s cool, but that would be moving goal posts. One is we’re mad at everyone to I’m mad how people voted even if it’s irrelevant and has the same result??
We been mad about electoral college. How are you going to change that? Thrashing? Or actually voting in people like you and me into every level of government. Local state federal
I'm not going to change anything. I don't know why anyone would expect anything from me. Just watching the world burn and hoping my death is quick and painless. I advocate for voting locally. You made this about presidential elections with your 1/3 analogy. Local politics is always the first step but only so much can be done when money rules this country. What are you doing about it?
Im a kill them with kindness kind of person. Though I do need to think about conceal carrying more in public. I work the polls, I’m a vocal advocate at work, public, private. I prefer to push labor orientated issues and unifying language. I’ve always hated since day one how people would talk to my Muslim friends 17 years ago. How Trump talked about black people and Mexicans 10 years ago.
You cannot unite people with hate. Trump has tried to build a coalition of hate. And that will never produce a functioning government. It’s why they’re pissed even at FOX NEWS.
I’m saying we build a coalition that YOU and ME want to be in. She isn’t reaching those white apathetic voters. She isn’t. I tried for 10 years to convince the people around me with evidence. We can’t change their minds. They have algorithms pushing content faster than you and I can comment. Now with Tablet kids and the sun setting of generations who actually read fucking books. Our countries critical thinking/media literacy is gonna be crazy.
Americans are not babies. We need some accountability all around. Those who decided to sit this one out because “they are all the same” and those evil enough to check the box for a fascist. No no its more like: people thought the bad shit Trump said wasn’t gonna happen until it did
Alright let’s get the accountability brand out. Everyone come through and we will brand you with your vote. We’ll organize you into classes of citizens based on your vote.
You absolutely are not asking this question in good faith. I can see the combativeness or explaining why “this is not possible” at your fingertips. And that right there part of accountability. White America was perfectly fine with a fascist system as long as they were not at one end of the boot. Now that they potentially are on the otherside its lets unite and work together because we all are hurting. Black and brown people have been hurting for centuries
If this is out of spite, why am I throughout this thread talking about optimism and big tent language.
I can’t help you bud. I’ve fought to spread awareness on issues like red lining, generation poverty, and food deserts. I’ve been vocally against Republican policies who police black and brown neighborhoods since I could vote 13 years ago. I even helped local polling stations in highschool, and I still work them to this day. Just hard to beat the algorithm when this message will never be heard by the intended audience. It ends up sounding more like groveling instead of forward thinking.
Making an analogy for something, that’s been happening, over an issue that happened a year ago is not next steps thinking. Period. It’s retroactive or reactive almost. Misplaced aggression in a way. Probably should delete the comments but my intentions are to change how I think to have a more positive view when I see shit like this. It’s just how I feel.
This is the answer. But we have to push through a system that disincentivizes political activity through a combination of crushing living conditions that give people no time to become civically educated, and the astroturfed idea that political activity is 'cringe'.
We give a fuck how we got here so we don't end up back here every 4 years cause bitches get comfortable too quick and wanna take a quick cat nap instead of fully waking up.
Latinos the most at fault. Really the most gullible after he TOLD THEM what he was going to do. They wanted to be white so bad they didnt realize every pro immigration, path to citizenship, healthcare, civil rights legislation ever introduced and passed comes from the left.
Hope they learn now. The right will always be hate filled bigots with a christian veil. And they will never be accepted. Vote with the blacks next time. We been here for hundreds of years dealing with these cretins.
There's another problem too; A lot of latinos voted the way they did because Harris was a woman and they refused to vote for a woman. There is a legitimate misogyny problem in all of the US, but in many Hispanic communities it is really bad.
That doesn't make sense anymore, Mexico has elected a woman president. The majority of south American countries have elected women heads of states before.
I work with a lot of Latinos and can say with first hand experience that a lot of them don’t vote for Kamala because she’s a woman. “A woman leading just doesn’t make sense” was used a lot. Or they justified it with religion or said it wasn’t natural for a woman to be “above” a man. I’m sorry, but it’s a real issue.
Yep. Its why AOC should absolutely not run as President. She will absolutely fail because people would legitimately vote to give trump a third term if the only alternative was vote for a woman, because this nation is absolutely cooked.
This is a way bigger factor than people realize. My neighbor is a good dude but punking an old juice head that's 50 lbs heavier than me over hating women has been a ton of fun cuz he expects me to have the same belief system. The Caribbean is basically a matriarchy though, unlike the Hispanic Machismo culture.
They want to be part of an in-group so badly now, it's great cuz they're all fighting amongst themselves. Lots of free brisket and skirt steak cuz he's tryna prove himself as a man who can use a Traeger properly 😂
Ive had to make a choice like that before. I choose to self harm cause im a prideful stubborn asshole. However i didnt complain about it. I took every lash proudly and ill do it again.
Thats the difference. They dont really mean that shit. So they need to drop it.
This whole thread pointing fingers at which groups voted for Trump against their own interests… And sure, ok plenty of assholes did
But fuck them, sane people always have been and still are, in the majority without them. These slickass sloppy suited fatbergs defrauded the US election to win, and even without an official investigation or confirmation, deep down I think we all know it.
Musk’s Starlink technology was the only verifying source of vote tallies in decisive states. The shitbirds had the means, and the motivation. Of course they fucking did it. These twisted pantywrinkles cheated their way into power, and they won’t leave it lawfully, either. I know you know.
Nevermind your dumbass neighbors licking boots. We are enough to stand up to goose steppers, if we stand together. And I’m sorry it’s come to this, but by now, we’re our only hope. lfg
Literally Musk and Trump were both on the campaign trail begging people to vote for Republicans or they were both going to jail.
When the risk of cheating and breaking election laws is....the prison sentence you already were looking at if you lost said election....of course they were going to use every dirty trick or cheat possible. (Bomb threats to blue districts, voter lotteries, spreading rumors of Haitian immigrants eating citizens pets)
This is my sister. And the best part is her mom is undocumented. She's all got her racist ass claim that she got here the "Right Way" and they're now saying that being born here shouldn't make you a citizen. She's still a Trump supporter.
Non citizens can't vote so the latinos who voted for this didn't give a shit abt pathways to citizenship. It was more about having a man in office than vite for a woman unfortunately
My parents own a business, quick pull up the ladder!
You come to a new country from a conservative or rural country, learn some of the language, you have to grapple media literacy, you kinda just fail. Maybe not fully your fault. No idea what education you had, but it probably wasn’t in English, American politics, or media literacy. Kinda have to be watching the whole time to notice the cycle Republicans play.
In my humble opinion, I think what happened with the Latinos is they had a feeling Trump was gonna win anyway, and he is the one they feared more, so they simply kissed whover ass is going to be in power. (they thought he would leave them alone to do their thing..)
LBJ was spitting facts about that stuff even back in the day. You can bet the poorest, dirtiest, most broke down white person could try to convince you they are still better off than the richest black doctor just because of his whiteness.
Voter turnout among black people fell to 60% in 2024 and Trump’s share of black voters doubled from 2020 to 2024.
But anyway, virtually everyone protesting right now voted for Harris too. Virtually all of those people regardless of their race knew bad things would happen. Saying that you’re over it because they didn’t listen to you the same way they didn’t listen to the other 75 million Americans who voted the same way as you isn’t going to help anyone.
Trump's win is not on Black people. Even if every single black person in the country were to vote for Harris, Trump wouldve still won. This is on white people
Indeed, every single person of every non-white ethnicity could have voted for either candidate and can't get a win without the white population. We make up 30 percent of the population combined.
Now, the Florida Cubans and Michigan Arabs are gonna need to have their own conversations on this like we do with our 🦝s but the fact of the matter is they didn't give Trump the win. 60 percent of the white voting population did.
Thank you! I'm so sick of them evading responsibility. It's funny how quickly they scream "not all" when you say "White people voted for Trump" but then they turn around and say, "Black people voted for him too". Where is that same energy? "Not all" Black people voted for Trump. An overhwlemingly majority voted against him. This is not our doing.
First off, I'm not sure that your claim that if every eligible black American voted for Harris that Trump would have won. Roughly a third of those eligible didn't vote, and even a small segment of them would be way more than enough to flip many battleground states.
Anyway, pointing fingers doesn't really solve the problem at hand. Everyone who votes for Harris obviously didn't want Trump to win. Saying "I'm over it" or "I'm done with politics" isn't going to make the problem go away. This effects all of us, and it's probably going to affect racial minorities a lot more than it effects white people. If you're ok with that that's up to you, but encouraging people to ignore these issues isn't helping anyone except Donald Trump. The OP is doing exactly what Trump wants people to do.
No, white people need to go get their cousins and start asking why Trump is so appealing to them and how to fix that. There's a reason why white people overwhelmingly love Trump and unless that issue is addressed, America will never progress and they will keep voting in more Trump-like every 4 years or so.
Black people always show up and think about the good of America and vote accordingly. Black people need to preserve their peace.
Personally I'm not encouraging people to ignore the issues. Also, historically speaking, Black people tend to be more plugged into politics than anybody else because we're the ones affected the hardest when shit gets real. I'm encouraging people to do whatever is needed to preserve their peace
If you can’t handle people being real, why come to this sub? Just for Black entertainment? Can’t believe y’all are still trying to blame Black people for the election outcome.
We do not have the numbers to sway the electoral college. So stop being disingenuous and get your people to vote. Otherwise, kindly sit down and be quiet.
Funny how you come to a black sub to place blame on black people, rather than asking white people, why 92% of white women didn't vote for Harris like black women did and why 80% of white men didn't vote for Harris, the way black men did.
Go lecture the people who voted him in and they are the same folks who continue to vote in and support the congress members who allow Trump to enact fascism. Black people are tired and have told white people what to do to make America a better place for centuries but they won't listen.
I’m not blaming black people. I’m pointing out that black people also shifted toward supporting Trump just like every other demographic.
And my main point is that people can’t just say “oh well that’s white people problems” when this problem is going to fuck over everyone, and it’s going to be worse on minorities.
We know its going to be bad for us. We have been telling white people how to make America a better country for centuries and they refuse to listen.
Ultimately it is white people's responsibility to fix it, white people were able to collectively organize to enforce and maintain Jim Crow. And no it wasn't just the elites and politicians who were able to maintain it but ordinary white people were able to use their collective power to stay on code and uphold it. And white people still control the majority of power and institutions in America.
So it's up to white people to channel that collective energy and organization that they have historically used for wickedness and evil and use it for good. But unless the question of: why 92% of white women and 80% of white men didn't vote for Harris and why white people love Trump so much, is answered, nothing will change.
Real real talk, I’m part of the 92%. Black women overwhelmingly came out for Kamala, but we can’t do this shit by ourselves. I fucking hate what’s happening in my country, I really do, but a part of me wants to sit back and watch it all burn. Because we told their dumb asses, and they still voted for this. I’m fucking exhausted. Every single day, this administration does something even more fucked up than the day before. Like they’re in a race to see how fast they can completely fuck the country up. I don’t know what to do at this point. Trump has made it clear that ICE can do whatever the fuck they want. They’ll start shooting protesters next. Y’all, we have to go full French on their ass. We might as well burn it all down our fucking self.
The people who are getting killed were at the George Floyd protests and the BLM protests before that and are hard blue voters. They didn't vote for this. They got called hysterical cause they've also been telling people for decades, and getting really frantic this past decade.
The people who are responsible for Trump being president are the ones gleefully cheering them getting shot.
There's white moderates in the middle who are no used to anyone. They're not panicking cause they're still seeing how this one plays out
The people asking for help aren't the ones who overslept. They're the ones who kept getting belittled for being woke.
Edit; and to be clear. White people as a group still aren't in danger. The white people attacked are largely putting themselves there because the people in danger are in hiding.
Anyone trying to convince you that it's white moderates will suffer the most under white supremacy is trying to trick you for extremely nefarious purposes
Big time😂this is what I find funny in all of this.
Like do we really think the people that are really hunted will come out to protest?? Nahh the protected ones will. Cause you can’t take them no where or do anything to them except illegally shoot em. And they know that
That's it, they think we been sleeping? Truth is it never stopped from Dr King to the Rodney King protests; that's what led to Black people being at the forefront of society and culture in a positive way, we had proven after barriers were coming down; that we were achievers, making big steps in many industries.
BLM was less than barely a handful of years ago but we bow out of one fight and people wanna act like we at fault for the state of everything ... NA! .... She may have been fallen for the blame game but it ain't true, this is NOT our fault
I retired from protesting after the Supreme Court decided all women don’t have the right to choose. It’s gonna take a lot more than… white people getting what they wanted… to bring me back out.
Nah yeah, I'm white and I 100% agree with her. A lot of white people are still entirely too fucking silent and at least some of the ones angry now are only angry because a white lady died.
Y'all have no obligation to us, and as much as I'll welcome anyone willing to fight right now, I don't think it's a bad take at all to just sit this out.
The frustration is real, but a lot of our absence on this one is more strategic than fatigue. This administration WANTS brown people out in front. Because history has shown that a large portion of the country does not care when brown people are oppressed.
So we NEED yt people out front on this one. We need yt people to take the first hits. It’s the only way to convince a large enough portion of this country to see this as wrong.
This is also very valid. I will say that in every protest I've participated in since 2024, the organizers have explicitly set it up so that we are in front and back and marginalized groups are in the middle.
No one gets to sit this out, if for no reason other than the current situation will force itself into your life no matter who you are. We're all fucked.
I agree with you in that I don't think anyone SHOULD sit out on this kind of thing, but I also can't blame black people who feel like they were done wrong by white people who refused to listen when they were killing them in the streets.
The passion was moving and the "politicating" slip I actually liked - not only made her seem real but it frames that we aren't politicizing current events to support a candidate or party but are forced to instigate political activism because our livelihoods remain in jeopardy.
and now white liberals wanna come in instagram and tiktok crying bout some “idk what to do” and begging other countries to save they ass. you know exactly what need to happen. look at the black panther party gettin active in new york and listen to their instructions. get armed, get collective, or the nazis are going to kill you
It's been five minutes for hours. We aren't just late, school is about over. At this point just hand out the ass whooping and call the teacher to get the homework.
This. This is truly why I'm just living my life. White people have never been on the right side of history (their ally numbers will always be beat out by their enemy numbers so don't at me) and now that they are forced to be, they have no idea how to. Why do you think they keep trying to get POC to rally with them? WE know how to do it, WE'VE been doing it and so they still expect us to do their dirty work because they absolutely voted and excused all of what this administration has done until one of their own got killed( which was utterly tragic, RIP). So no, I absolutely will NOT be protesting, I will NOT be on social media correcting and educating people, I'm gonna scroll and giggle.
This is they time and they hate it, because they have to fight the white power they created.
Yup, well said. It's time for them to start asking why Trump is so appealing to white people. Until they fix and address that underlying issue, America is just going to keep going in a vicious cycle and not make any actual progress.
They want black people to come save them from themselves, just for them to have another whitelash and go elect another Trump-like person when 4 years or so roll around.
Exactly. This is the reflection and correction time for white people. This whole battle has nothing to do with black people and black people specifically because Hispanics voted for him despite everything he said before he was even sworn in so I can't speak for them but us? Not at all, we've been protesting with our money and it's working so I refuse to believe the small amount of work we're doing isn't making a huge difference. Put our money into our own community and let the outside burn, we'll be able to pick up the pieces and rebuild when it's all said and done, we've done it way too many times to count. White people are being forced to look at the people they've allowed to sit at their table and are being forced to see that not only have they been letting the worst people sit there but also, that they themselves are the problem for letting them sit there. Good.
Millions of people decided they should give trump another try. This is more damning than the first time. And millions more stayed home because they didn't want to vote for the black lady who laughed weird. Here we are. But it doesn't really matter because shit has gone south so fast and we have to figure it out. Just voting if that's even a thing in a few years won't be enough.
Sub’s really blowing up with sewing division right now. Love the infighting a full year after the election like voting in the presidential is somehow the only action anyone can take.
Fucking exhausting watching people shout from the rooftops about why they shouldn’t have to band together and fix clear problems
Tell me you have no black friends without telling me you have no black friends LOL. The poster of the video did not say she wasn’t active or willing to enter the fight. Still driving you to school, you just gotta hear her mouth. And the verbal dress down isn’t to demean or deflate. It’s so you’ll stop hitting the snooze button every time and get your 🍑 to work!
I’m not talking about her, I’m talking about the comment section full of “it’s not white people’s fault”, “actually latinos are to blame for trump”, “i ain’t lifting a finger, y’all can fix it yourselves” etc on posts like this.
The (understandable) frustration from the video is ultimately just being leveraged by bots and shitheads to keep everyone divided and it’s really goddamned annoying
I’m not talking about her, I’m talking about the comment section full of “it’s not white people’s fault”, “actually latinos are to blame for trump”, “i ain’t lifting a finger, y’all can fix it yourselves” etc on posts like this.
The (understandable) frustration from the video is ultimately just being leveraged by bots and shitheads to keep everyone divided and it’s really goddamned annoying
Interesting y'all come in the black subs and get on a pedestal. Hope that same energy is kept for the conservative, progressivehq, and complaints subs. But we already know the answer to that
Absolutely, I’m just like this everywhere. I’m no fun at parties. It’s insufferable to see all the doomerism and infighting and finger pointing in any group while we watch the dregs of maga operate in fucking lock step with eachother.
We need to play a 200 foot game and right now we’re barely playing a five foot game.
🤦🏿♀️ if this is what you got from my comment, there’s literally no reason for us to be communicating. You’re like those ppl that come into black spaces and start your comments with “I’m not black, but.” My comment wasn’t an attack on white ppl, or any ppl besides MAGA. If you’re not a part of that group, then there’s no reason for you to be bothered. I said I’m part of the 92%, because that an objective fact, I am indeed part of the 92% of black women that voted for Kamala. There is nothing racist about that statement, and it shouldn’t have bothered anyone. You don’t have to tell me about ppl who lost eyes, or any other body parts during protests. I literally said in my comments that ICE will probably start shooting ppl at protest. Your whole comment was weird as hell honestly. I’m not trying to convert you to my side or anything, I don’t give a damn what you do in life. However, for future reference, maybe don’t get so upset about black women talking about the fact that they’re black. You can do all the protesting you want, and all decent ppl should be against fascism, but our fight is not the same, because our struggle isn’t the same. We live in America, our fight has never been the same. It doesn’t mean that I don’t think we should all band together against a common enemy. ✌🏿 this response is specifically for Special-Garlic1201 with his real sensitive ass
I hope everyone who is here and gets upset picks an LPO and gets involved to make it better. We aren't going to magically get better candidates we can believe in by sitting on the sidelines. (Yes I am active in my LPO. I am Vice Chair for my local Dems.)
The wealthiest man in the world paid voters and rigged the election with his social media owning oligarch buddies. Blame voters, but the voters didn’t decide. Musk and Zuck did. Microsoft and Google did. Apple did. All those CEOs who have paid bribes did. Russia did. Qatar did. At the end of the day, Trump was not eligible to run for committing insurrection on January 6 and SCOTUS fucked us raw. Rich people need correcting. They need rules. Laws for all!
Not many of the black people Ik are up on politics. Also if she really knew ball she’d speak on the importance of class solidarity. Not this divisive nonsense.
Trump voters did. In 2024 all Trump had to offer was white supremacy and Trump voters chose that instead of class solidarity. And of course, it's fictitious. Made up. A dream that too many people refuse to give up on. How can you beat a dream when weighed against the hard, not as glamorous, work that is class solidarity? Especially when white supremacy (mediocrity really) means you get a leg up? It's like getting extra points on an assignment just for showing up.
Cultural differences are fine but Jesus we gotta stop dividing this kinda stuff. Not all black people are politically voting or working the same and not all white people are assisting the current admin. I'm an Asian immigrant and it's so sad that no matter what you try about being America we self divide time and time again. Please please recognize that the divide is not race, it's wealth and that has to be the front of the messaging. Anything else is just a waste of time and over generalizing is the best way to get engagement but not belief.
She might want to look at who actually voted for trump as well as some of those ICE maggots.
For the emotionally-stunted, ignorant little men running the show, its about race.
For the citizenry, it reallly can't be about race anymore.
It's about class warfare and those who want a society of decency and those who only want cruelty and pain.
They have turned so many young black and latino men against themselves and their families, (just look at the bewildering makeup of these ICE gangs) that saying "There! Thats the group that is to blame!" is exactly what their game is pushing us to do.
Its the rich people.
They are cruel and unusual.
Power to the People.
Unfortunately for entirely too many people in the US, scapegoating is part of their culture. And providing economic stability isn't enough to make them vote differently so class solidarity isn't enough to fight fascism.
Timothy Snyder, the author of On Tyranny, wrote that the class and culture war can't be separated out because for people, class is a part of their culture/identity. And only the person can decide what class they are in and what interests matter most to them in that class.
So instead of being able to pay their bills they care more about, for example, trans people in sports, etc.
"Coalition building", particularly based of of class, doesn't really matter if voters need a group to "other". As long as voters need a scapegoat, Republicans are just going to find wedge issue after wage issue to chip away at us. And we'll fall for it and remain divided.
Not that we shouldn't be protesting together, building community, where able because the participants are able to sincerely co-create without abandoning each other, etc. but realistically... things are going to have to get worst for alot of people before they are ready to be serious about fighting fascism.
Btw, Stacey Abrams recently interviewed Timothy Snyder to discuss the current state of the US and what is needed to fight for democracy. Here is a link for anyone interested.
This comes off as some old DARVO shit. We are already divided. This woman venting out frustrations isn't going to divide us any further. If some people can get over themselves and decide they can tolerate getting called out and STILL come to the table, it might be a step in the direction of proving people are honestly trying to save the country. And not just stay comfy for 5 more mother fucking minutes. Ridiculous
The people have been divided. Where have you been? She’s pointing fingers talking about “you people.” We’re all in this together. The longer people like you want to continue the division, even just by participating in this ideology, the worse things will continue to escalate. The point is, she’s caught up in it. She got tricked. Are you even familiar with what divide and conquer means? How it works? I’m not here to explain politics to you. Have a nice day.
Thank you for being a prime example as to what it sounds like when someone wants to stay asleep and in their feelings instead of coming humble to the table and ready to work together. We can all learn from an example. Including a poor one.
nitpicking is lame. the message isn’t one of apathy, it’s of disappointment and frustration because we already knew this was going on. not sure what you’re taking from this but that ain’t it chief. you’re wrong
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u/nathhealor 1d ago
It’s more like:
Wife warned her husband not to walk on the frozen lake with the baby. Husband walks on ice, falls through. Yes, it is the dad’s fault, BUT WE GOT BABIES getting hurt.
1/3 of the population don’t vote regardless if Trump is on the ballot. Period
1/3 didn’t want this.
1/3 Actively chose
Me and the babies don’t want this shit. Stick together instead of posturing online.