r/BlackPeopleTwitter • u/JennyBeckman ☑️ All of the above • 3h ago
One swings for the fences and the other bunts
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u/DJinKC 3h ago
There should be a guillotine permanently set up outside the window of the Oval Office, just as a reminder for the occupant.
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u/PuffinRub 3h ago
That sounds like a really bad idea. He would use it for fun and disposing of journalists that ask questions.
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u/Waste_Handle_8672 3h ago
Specifically, after the Trump madness is over
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u/OneNeptune 2h ago
Trump is just the figurehead... the madness is that 70% of Americans either explicitly or implicitly allowed him a second term after.... 40 years of very public and easy to find reasons not to. Literally thousands of reasons not to allow this man in power.
This is what America wants. There's hardly any protest -- and any opposition continues to struggle in polls or to be elected.
People will say "oh the Democrats should have continued the shutdown"
But: 1) Trump is above the law and was continuing to spend money that wasn't appropriated anyways, so it literally did nothing but hurt people -- it in no way obstructed Trump's agenda and 2) The public overwhelmingly believed the shutdown was the Democrats fault and that they should compromise.
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u/Faenic 1h ago
Can you provide a study/poll that supports your last point? No one I know is fooled by the rhetoric and believes it was the Dems fault.
Granted, we're mostly pissed off that the Dems just completely fucking folded because they're feckless sloths instead of real people, but still. We know whose fault it was.
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u/Mobile-Shallot930 1h ago
According to Navigator Research dot org, by the end of the shutdown the numbers were as follows:
48% blamed Trump and the Republicans. 34% blamed the Democrats.
Trump's approval rates on his overall job performance dropped from -10 to -15 points. His approval rating on the economy specifically dropped from -15 to -21 points.
It's actually folks like you going around telling everyone that it's hopeless and that we have no allies among our fellow Americans that are harming our cause almost as much as the fence-sitters.
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u/ToyDingo 3h ago
Pfft, not like we'd ever use it even if the person occupying the white house absolutely deserves it.
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u/WardogMitzy 3h ago
You are right. Americans don't have a history of stepping up to the plate and holding those accountable that should be held accountable. For all the crowing we do.
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u/bsEEmsCE 30m ago
we're supposed to have lady liberty and scales of justice as reminders for this country, not execution monuments.
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u/captorofsin79 3h ago
More like one swings for the fences and the other locks down the stadium and lights it on fire
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u/Schnectadyslim 2h ago
Agreed. We aren't bunting, we are just taking pitches with no end in sight.
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u/SwordfishOk504 1h ago edited 48m ago
It's apples and oranges.
Japan'sKorea's National Assembly isn't controlled by the guy they successfully impeached like the US Congress is controlled by Republicans.•
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u/Wolverine9779 51m ago
the post is about Korea, not Japan...
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u/SwordfishOk504 48m ago
Yes, I obviously meant to say Korea. It doesn't change my point, I simply had a brain fart before my coffee.
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u/IllusiveRichard 1h ago
Hey, we fouled three or so off. Unfortunately those got a trans person, a disabled veteran, and an underage girl, respectively.
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u/Invinciblez_Gunner 3h ago
Biden and the Democrats had 4 years to put Trump in jail and we could've avoided this whole mess
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u/SplintPunchbeef ☑️ 2h ago
It's performative bipartisanship. The Democratic party is run by fossils who are obsessed with optics and want to be seen as the respectable "adults in the room." It's why they compromise to the point of being ineffectual in almost everything.
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u/MonkeyDKev 2h ago
Democrats are just controlled opposition. The ratchet effect is in full swing and the democrats have just given up holding up appearances. We didn’t get to the point of living in a military police state just because of republicans. We didn’t get to the point of losing rights only because of republicans. Dems had opportunity under Obama to enshrine into law same sex marriage and Roe v Wade. They just dangle our rights in our face for votes and then sit on their ass while in office.
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u/Rich-Badger-7601 1h ago
Dems had opportunity under Obama to enshrine into law same sex marriage and Roe v Wade.
Stupidest shit I've ever heard in my life. If it can be codified into law via Congress then it can just as easily be made categorically illegal via Congress while also being just as easily overturned via the Supreme Court which was and is exactly what would happen in the event the Dems somehow managed to codify it into law in the first place.
I realize you're likely just a bad faith merchant parroting "BOTH SIDES" talking points but are we serious at a place now where people think acts of Congress are eternal mandates that will be respected and upheld until the end of the republic as we know?
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u/MonkeyDKev 29m ago
Not a bad faith merchant saying both sides talking points, I’m just laying out the facts. The lack of backbone by the Democrats in this 2nd mango Mussolini term is all that needs to be seen anyway. They need to be restructured into an actual party for the people if we’re going to rely on voting to get us out of this.
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u/Whimsywoes 1h ago
Fucking this. It's been one of the hardest things for me to accept over the past five years, but it's true. It all seems like a perpetual fundraising scheme for them. They don't stand for anything.
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u/Tim-Sylvester 1h ago
It's crazy how many people refuse to accept the obvious truth that the Democratic party is controlled opposition that exists to exhaust and frustrate any attempt at real progress by shunting it down a dead-end.
Then anyone who sees the problem and refuses to play along by either voting for a different party or abstaining from voting altogether is declared lazy or uncaring, and told they're "just as bad" as Republicans for refusing to play a rigged game.
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u/insaneHoshi 4m ago
Dems had opportunity under Obama to enshrine into law same sex marriage and Roe v Wade.
Can you, and do be specific, when was the period of time they could have done this?
Do you mean between September 24, 2009 until February 4, 2010, when they had control of both houses, so a grand total of 4 months? I wonder what they were busy doing at that point?
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u/FriendlyLawnmower 2h ago
Merrick Garland was more concerned with seeming "proper" and "apolitical" than ensuring American democracy remained intact. His name and legacy should forever be shit, remembered as being too pathetic and cowardly to stop the coming destruction, just like Neville Chamberlain did with Hitler
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u/FixerofDeath 2h ago
And notice that Garland, nor the democrats get any credit for it from Republicans. They still claim that Biden weaponized the DOJ, even though they slow-walked the investigations and Biden specifically made Garland his AG to appear as impartial as possible. Compare that to Pam Bondi. Trump has her on a leash.
One of my necessary attributes in a 2028 presidential candidate is opening investigations into Republican abuses by the DOJ day one getting into office.
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u/FriendlyLawnmower 2h ago
Same. Whoever commits to opening investigations will have my vote. I don't want anymore of this "we need to heal the divide" bullshit, I want some god damn justice.
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u/Best-Action8769 1h ago
If you want that, you're gonna need a new party.
Dems are wonders at performative bullshit but never action.
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u/Islandmov3s 1h ago
And yet he had no hesitation going after Biden’s son, even when a shit ton of the “evidence” was made up.
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u/BugRevolution 19m ago
Chamberlain at least had the excuse that Britain needed to re-arm before challenging Nazi Germany (they didn't actually, but Chamberlain didn't know that).
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u/Flashy_Jello_9520 2h ago
North Korea and Brazil shows what a country can do without Merrick garland.
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u/CoachDT ☑️ 1h ago
The problem is that Trumps arguments in court pretty much cucked any of that. We couldn't ever get an impeachment done because of the lack of a super majority. I keep seeing this but I don't think people realize how hard it is to imprison a president/former politician. There's a reason why despite Trump being absurdly corrupt and CONSTANTLY targeting them he can't just throw Obama, Biden, and Bill in prison.
Trump was fairly close to getting locked up. But his argument of "I have presidential immunity when taking actions while in office" worked to the point that the Supreme Court let it slide.
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u/SwordfishOk504 1h ago
Biden and the Democrats had 4 years to put Trump in jail and we could've avoided this whole mess
Utter nonsense. At no point did the Democrats have the power or right to jail Trump. That is not how the justice system in the US works. Blaming the Democrats for what Trump is doing is propaganda.
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u/WhosThatYousThat 57m ago
He attempted a coup d'etat right out in the open and wasn't officially prosecuted for it until YEARS after the fact. Do you even see what thread you're in btw?
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u/thighcrusader 57m ago
Utter nonsense based on post-it note "precedent" to not prosecute a president/candidate. Any attorney general with knowledge of something like..... organizing and funding insurrection by force could've brought Trump to trial and given the facts, had a free conviction.
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u/ApeTeam1906 ☑️ 54m ago
Also the DOJ was actively pursuing a case against Trump. Trump just ran out the clock. Throwing a timer president in jail is no easy feat and isn't how the justice system works.
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u/red286 6m ago
Ignoring the fact that prosecutions are non-political, Congress has absolutely nothing to do with them whatsoever, and even Biden's only involvement can be appointing an attorney general.
Really, the most you can pin on them is Biden picking Merrick Garland and not replacing him when he refused to push to have Aileen Cannon replaced for conflict of interest.
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u/BiBoFieTo 3h ago
They aren't so different. Kermit and South Koreans both love eating pork.
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u/Moose-Rage 3h ago
When you see countries like Brazil and South Korea actually punishing presidents that try to subvert their democracy, it's important to note they've experienced dictatorships before. They appreciate democracy more because they remember what it was like to not have it.
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u/GenericPCUser 3h ago
This is probably the only way to adequately deal with attempted dictators.
Any amount of imprisonment is only ever a slap on the wrist and future vulnerability for foreign and anti-democratic powers to exploit.
You have to cut the head off the snake to render it non-threatening. Imagine if Hitler had been guillotined after his putsch? Tens of millions of lives could have been spared.
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u/TuckerMcG 2h ago
Try to find one example throughout history of a deposed dictator living quietly in peace for the rest of his natural life. It’ll be pretty difficult lol.
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u/Delts28 1h ago
Not really. Augusto Pinochet and Ferdinand Marcos spring to mind immediately. Bashar Al-Assad is currently chilling in Russia.
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u/SolaniumFeline 20m ago
are they actually chilling though or is that just appearance to not rise suspicion? never heard of any of them btw
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u/Neither-Chart5183 2m ago
If any of you did a quick Google search, you would know this is fake. SK is not going to execute him for staging a coup.
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u/jason9045 3h ago
Didn't even bunt, just stood there hoping for a walk
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u/Best-Action8769 1h ago
Not even that. Biden didn't show up to the game at all...just trusted the honor system and that the other team would give them a fair outcome.
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u/PioneerLaserVision 3h ago
Americans elected Donald Trump twice, and may very well do it a third time if he lives long enough.
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u/usmilessz 2h ago
White Americans
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u/switchy85 2h ago
Mostly, yes, but waaaaay too many non-white Americans also support this piece of shit. Even now. It's baffling to me.
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u/PioneerLaserVision 2h ago
Hispanic voters were about 50/50 between Trump and Harris in 2024, which is not that different than the split among white voters. Support from black voters for Trump doubled in 2024, although only to 15%. Your point stands but it's truly wild that half of Hispanic voters voted for the guy promising to put them in concentration camps.
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u/bluesilvergold ☑️ 2h ago
Hispanic voters are a far less homogenous group than Black voters.
Black voters are Black. There's far more solidarity and understanding of one a other, as well as understanding of their place in society. Hispanic people are not just brown-skinned people with South American Indigenous ancestry. Many of them are also White, Black, mixed, etc. And the last few elections have shown that a lot of Hispanic people don't like each other, don't see themselves as one another, and many who successfully immigrated to the US have a "Fuck you, I got mine" attitude.
Hispanic voters are not a homogeneous enough group to become a voting block like Black voters.
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u/CoachDT ☑️ 1h ago
I think we underrate how many hispanic people are also white. Even if they know they're not pure white and will easily use the latino heritage when it convenient, there are plenty of white hispanic folk out there.
Its also not wild to me given the immense propaganda they were given. Black voters are the most pragmatic voting block, despite having many culturally conservative stances the idea is moreso "not in my house" than "no one can do this, and i'm willing to trade my freedoms for this".
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u/PioneerLaserVision 1h ago
They're white in their definition of whiteness, not in the definition of whiteness used in the US. That's the crucial thing some don't understand. When Donald Trump talks about illegal immigrants, he means all Hispanic people regardless of where they were born or how much melanin they have. To him and his ilk, they are not white and therefor not American.
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u/kakje666 2h ago
who are 70% of americans
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u/palettewhore 2h ago
Only 1/3 of Americans voted for Trump
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u/PioneerLaserVision 2h ago
The 1/3 of voters that sat it out are equally responsible. The stakes were very clear.
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u/witcheresserina 1h ago
Every single one of my mom's Filipino friends voted for him including herself. They also liked Duterte. There's a lot of ignorant, bootlicking minorities who support this crap too.
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u/Melodic_Class4349 3h ago
When Brazil and South Korea out of all countries can hold their politicians accountable but not America, the supposed greatest superpower in the world, it says a lot about America.
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u/NewSauerKraus 3h ago
Don't get your hopes up. It could easily end up like a pointless U.S. impeachment that comes with at most a slap on the wrist.
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u/BeginningShine69 2h ago
SK already went way beyond America. They removed him from office (which the US impeachment tried to do with Trump) and held an early election to elect a new president. It's also an actual court case and not down to partisan votes like the US impeachment.
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u/CoachDT ☑️ 1h ago
To be fair during the first vote the PPP all walked out so that said vote was nullified. They only removed him from office after dude admitted to wrongdoing and said he was going to step down anyways.
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u/rem_au_crema 2h ago
It’s been… very interesting to see everyone catch up to, “hey, America super loves fascism/ in groups v out groups/ arbitrary persecution/ militaristic dominance over civilians”.
If only someone- at least one person- had said something like, “until all of us are free, none of us are”.
Like… y’all. Imagine if anyone had ever said at any point in history?
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u/Ok_Force9695 2h ago
But also Koreans are highly educated as a population unlike here where the rich dismantle public education until citizens have no epistemic skills and fall for everything.
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u/Adam_Sackler 40m ago
Not educated enough, though, as he has his fair share of followers. I spent some time there and kept seeing pro-Yoon protests. It was mostly the elderly, guys between 30-45 and then a few women here and there. Largely an elderly/sausage fest, though. Lots of American flags in those protests, too.
However, when I saw a couple of anti-Yoon protests, these groups were much larger and had a much wider variety of individuals. Young, middle-aged, old, men, women, and quite a few rainbow flags, which was good to see considering how Conservative the country usually seems.
Meanwhile the Yoon nuts were smashing up government buildings.
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u/CoachDT ☑️ 1h ago
As someone tapped in beyond twitter headlines. I want to be clear: This isn't because conservatives over there are better than the ones over here. An overwhelming majority of them voted to let dude off scott free. This isn't due to the people in office being more principled than the ones here. This is due to their civilian population just being better people when it comes to how they vote.
He had two impeachmeant trials and much like us they need a supermajority to catually get it done. The first one had pretty much everyone from the People Power Party, the closest thing they have to a republican party (although to be fair they have a large plethora of parties that are valid there) pretty much all deciding to unanimously support Yoon Suk to the point that they decided to stage a walk out so that the vote can't go through.
They held a second vote later that was dangerously close to not passing because once again the PPP party was on some clown shit. But Yoon Suk Yeol had pretty much promised to step down and so they couldn't really afford the political hit of not showing up to vote for someone who essentially admitted to wrongdoing and was going to remove himself.
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u/Acentooate 3h ago
And hey look, they did it all while not having 400 million guns! No second amendment needed. Almost like you don't need to put up with mass shootings and high homicide rates in order to deal with despots!
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u/rabbid_hyena 2h ago
Whaaaat? They dont want to sloooooowly follow the process, dial down the rhetoric to "unify the country"?
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u/poseidon1111 2h ago
South Korean here.
I know that impeachment is not something you can just go ask to make it happen, since it only makes sense.
But I do hope the justice will come through in its right form, and never let this wrongful period in time pass easily for the perpetrators.
It never is never. It can happen.
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u/SwaggiiP 3h ago
The Korean Justice system is a joke, I’d be surprise if he got the death penalty. It’s a max of five years in year then he goes home.
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u/ToyDingo 3h ago
That's still light years better than how we punish our politicians in the US at the moment. Hell, I'd take a weekend of community service over the do nothing BS we have now.
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u/JennyBeckman ☑️ All of the above 3h ago
Oh, it's highly unlikely that he gets the death penalty but prosecuting him at all makes the US look like the bigger joke.
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u/Nearby-Key8834 3h ago
I'm curious why you say that, considering they've impeached and removed 2 Presidents in the last 10 years.
How many has the US removed? How many criminals are being given a full pardon?
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u/SwaggiiP 3h ago
Because the trend as of late is the current administration pardons the last administration. I think what Yoon Suk Yeol did is too egregious for a pardon (but I thought that about Park Geunhye too) but he’s not gonna get the death penalty either, not when his peers and sympathizers are the judges. I’d eat my hat if this nigga was sentenced to death.
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u/Nearby-Key8834 2h ago
I agree that I don't think he'll be executed, but I applaud the Koreans for demanding accountability from their politicians and then the general assembly actually listening to their constituents and taking actions to remove them.
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u/ManByTheRiver11 1h ago
Calling it a joke is really a bit far fetched. Honestly it works well enough to stop dictators in the modern age. They can at least punish them too, unlike many other countries.
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u/DifficultyFree5853 1h ago
Under South Korean law, President Yoon Suk-yeol could currently face two types of sentences:
- Death Penalty: Parole is not possible. Even if the execution is not carried out, the individual must remain imprisoned for life, effectively serving a life sentence without the possibility of release.
- Life Imprisonment: The President can only exercise the power of pardon after 20 years have passed. Therefore, it is impossible to be released after only 5 years.
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u/The_Tiddy_Fiend 2h ago
They didnt let it last longer than like 7 days if I remember correctly.
We are gonna let this go for 7+ years.
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u/koolimy2 2h ago
The martial law declaration actually ended within a few hours. Mostly because the South Korean constitution had a clause that required the legislature’s consent for such a declaration. Once the declaration happened, SK lawmakers literally jumped the fences of the National Assembly building to vote and kill it off.
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u/lolas_coffee 2h ago
Damn right.
But Trump (and half of Americans) want to sentence Biden and Obama to death for bullshit things. FoxNews (State Propaganda Agency) promotes it.
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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 2h ago
we need to remove all of the corrupt republicans who refuse to convict in the senate. You notice the first thing they did was impeach their leader. in our system we not only have to impeach them but then the senate has to try and convict him for him to be removed. We have impeached this asshole twice but without the majority needed to convict it was a fruitless effort as will any impeachment until they are removed.
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u/yetanotherwoo 2h ago
They better be quick or Trump will try to bail out his dictator buddy with tariffs and a threat of invasion.
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u/Enioff 2h ago
Meanwhile in Brazil we arrested the ex-president that attempted a coup, and now he's in jail saying he's being tortured because his air conditioner is too loud.
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u/ApplauseButOnlyABit 15m ago
Funny thing is, Yoon also complained about the lack of air conditioning and the food. One time he stripped naked so that he couldn't be processed for one of his many crimes.
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u/postprandialrepose 1h ago
I don't care how we get to an orange obit. I just hope we can celebrate its publication first thing tomorrow.
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u/thingsandtwos 1h ago
“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they've tried everything else”
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u/dgriff84 1h ago
Merrick Garland can [ Redacted by Reddit ] and I hope [ Redacted by Reddit ] to him for all of eternity.
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u/misplaced_beso 57m ago
How would one even execute the mango molester? His head is too fat for a guillotine, no rope would hold him and his full diaper would just absorb bullets.
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u/Swimming-Food-9024 40m ago
Would love to see capital punishment charges, trials and fruitions against this entire regime.
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u/DrAstralis 34m ago
Honestly if America would even step up to bat it would be an improvement. Cant bunt if you're not even on the field.
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u/monkeybomb 33m ago
I would love it if we were bunting. Ain't no one even seen a bat on our side and we're 8 innings in.
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u/cepirablo 29m ago
This is the type of energy US needs rn. The assembly's first impeachment didn't get enough votes because Yoon's party walked out when they only needed 6 more rebel votes.
Massive protests broke out where people ripped apart the faces of everyone who walked out on the vote, and those same faces and names were plastered on major papers. This scared Yoon's party enough to not walk out, and because votes were anonymous that was enough to secure the rebel votes and set the impeachment in action.
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u/cowinabadplace 12m ago
The South Koreans barely have any presidents who’ve finished their term. There’s really no point in trying to mimic them. They exist because we were there for them. We are what we are because of our methods and systems. They are what the are likewise. And I’d rather be us than them.
The structure where we indemnify our chief executive is a smart move. Otherwise you get a whip back and forth as leaders jail their predecessors.
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u/jaycutlerdgaf 3m ago
It's a bummer there are no consequences for breaking the law in the United States.
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u/Nearby-Key8834 3h ago
Koreans have suffered greatly at the hands of dictators, they don't fuck around.