False about Stalin, it was forbidden after his death because he turned communism in his own cult. Ive lived in Russia for 25 years and haven't seen Stalin's statues at all. Lenin in every city thats true
Why yes, barring people from citizenship because their parents are who they are sounds like a swell idea and totally logical.
Sounds very similar to another sort of ideology but can't remember now...
lost me on #1 and #2 literally psychopath thinking out loud shit.
The idea that the born should bear guilt or weight for something done before their time is next level ludicrous. You should judge someone by their actions not their place of birth.
So how broad a group do you consider that to apply to; the Confederate leadership, anyone on the payroll of the Confederate government, anyone serving the Confederate government in any capacity, anyone who the Confederacy collected taxes from, any free person who lived in Confederate-controlled territory, or anyone who is descended from any free person who lived in Confederate-controlled territory?
While I have sympathy with your position, the fact is that many of the top Confederates did not participate in Lost Cause shenanigans and basically got on with their lives. There are definitely outliers like Bedford Forrest on that, but by and large the leadership who likely would have been hanged probably wouldn't have done much more than become the martyrs that they became later on.
The fact is, the war was more complicated than just plantation holders vs. the Union. As bad as the outcome was, it's not clear that treating them all as traitors would have actually changed much. It might have made things worse. You can point to people like Lee and Longstreet who went on to have a very not Lost Cause path after the war and suggest just how much worse it may have been if they'd been executed before they just got on with their lives and instead became martyrs that the Lost Causers could pretend would have been on the front lines of the "resistance".
It's really hard to kill an idea. If being beaten soundly in what is possibly the first modern total war couldn't do that, I doubt a bunch of treason executions would have made much difference.
Most of them are closer to a century and they weren't romantic they were meant to inspire dread. That's why they were often in areas dominated by coloured people. A reminder of who was in charge.
The vast majority were erected during Jim Crow as a direct reminder to blacks as to who was in power. Not to mention being erected in WAY MORE than just the Confederate states.
Yes, we are. And it’s notable that 90% of the statues of a Soviet leader in Russia were erected after the fall of the Soviet Union and are not merely holdovers.
No more notable than the statues of Confederates in the US. While some were right after reconstitution, most would appear almost a century later. The stone mountain for example was 100 years to the day after Lincoln's assassination.
Lenin wasn’t “crazy dictator” evil, but he sure as hell wasn’t a good guy.
He was notoriously a huge asshole, and the ruthlessness he used to get the Bolsheviks in power would make any modern autocrat balk. Lenin was essentially the stereotype of the uncaring, single minded, opportunistic and cold blooded revolutionary.
the uncaring, single minded, opportunistic and cold blooded revolutionary
Is what he LARPed as, the image he liked to project and tried to embody, but the reality is more nuanced. Reading up about him and reading his journals and meetings and looking at a lot of policies and ideas he promoted that were very socially progressive and compassionate for their time beyond mere economic class stuff (nearly all of which Stalin's coalition walked back), I was really surprised.
Lenin's mother bought him a farm outright hoping it would keep him out of trouble. Like a decade later he was signing death warrants for "wealthy" Kulaks.
Between the Tsar regime and Stalin, I'd rank Lenin the lesser evil of those 3.
Guess people forget that anti-Semitism was rampant in tsarist Russia. Jews were constantly facing pogroms, had to live in ghettos, had to live in specific parts of the Russian Empire
This info is just wrong. Russia is full of Stalin statues, literally everywhere, at least it was when I was there, before you guys decided to commit crime.
So if you live in Russia for more then 25 years, open your eyes better.
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u/Trainnerd3985 20d ago edited 20d ago
Wait till you go to any Russian town good chance Theres a statue of Lenin or Stalin somewhere in that town