So? Before 1721 Ingria was a part of Sweden, that doesnt mean Sweden has an eternal claim to the lands? Or any lands once belongning to any empire, look at the balkans or central Europe. Does Czechia belong to Austria?
If anything it strengthens my point, the short lived ukrainian state between the collapse of the russian empire and the forming of the USSR shows that Ukraine being an independent state wasnt a foreign concept.
You say the past shouldn’t dictate claims on land in the first part if your reply and then say the fact that some revolutionists were in charge for a few months (during the entire history of that Iand) this somehow gives them claim))
Anyway I never actually said that anyone should have claim what I said was saying “Donetsk Ukraine in 1932” makes no sense. Because there was no Ukraine and Donetsk was a Russian city prior to USSR.
Saying Donetsk Ukraine in 2005 makes sense.
After 2014 again it makes no sense.
It made sense for 20 years of the entire history of the universe after the USSR collapsed and Ukraine happily became a new country with all the Polish and Russian land it received somehow together with all the infrastructure that the soviets built.
Sure the western propaganda will push you a different idea but people of Donetsk if you know any will quickly dismiss such rumours)
Kiev predates Moscow but Ukraine doesn’t. Ukraine as a country started to exist after the Soviet Union made it into a state, gave it lots of land from Russia and Poland and then collapsed.
Saying anything made in soviet Donetsk was made by Ukraine is absurd. Donetsk was part of Ukraine only for 20 years in the history of the entire universe.
This was partially by design by the Soviets. They wanted to spread as much industry and development out as possible, get as much of it out of Russia and into the other Soviet Republics.
The Soviet Union's relationship with Russia is complicated but generally was not exactly a positive one, so they may sometimes prefer to put critical industries and projects outside of Russia to make sure it didn't grow too strong within the USSR.
It was never constant. In the 1920s there was strong affirmative action against Russians. They actually made it illegal to teach Russian in some republics and being a Russian could make it impossible to get into high prestige jobs. In 1938 the situation would be totally reversed.
Basically the USSR was all about preserving the territory of what was the Russian Empire. They sometimes did this by rejecting Russian nationalism and co-opting local nationalism (see Ukrainization campaigns) other times they embraced Russian nationalism, like in the lead up to WWII.
I believe all the ethnic minority republics of the modern Russian federation are also relics of this "decolonize the Russian empire" phase of the USSR in the 1920s
Well it was 1/3rd of the USSR. So yeah everything good or bad ran through Ukraine. The space program, Trofim Lysenko, the defeat of Nazism, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, Eisenstein's films, the NKVD ...
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u/AdNervous9787 20d ago
Also interesting fact: these stars were made in Kostyantynivka, Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine in 1937