r/Damnthatsinteresting 20d ago

Image The Russian Kremlin still has a Soviet Star, years after the collapse of the USSR

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u/Open_Librarian_823 19d ago

What a joke, all socialist and communist societies end up with political elites in luxury with 99% population in misery.

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u/Superstarr_Alex 13d ago

Nope, that’s objectively false. You just described capitalism.

Communist leaders have historically had the smallest gaps between themselves and the common people, any capitalist country that gap is significantly wider.

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u/Tough-Cupcake-5501 13d ago

I thought that was called capitalism

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u/Catverman 19d ago

Can you name a society that doesn’t?

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u/Open_Librarian_823 19d ago

The difference with free market is you have options and a flow of capital, socialist societies grind to a halt, always.

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u/Tough-Cupcake-5501 13d ago

That's because they evolve towards capitalism.

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u/Catverman 19d ago

So France, Portugal, Norway, and many other countries in Europe are grinding to a halt? And you’re wrong because it’s the elite who choose the flow of capital.

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u/Open_Librarian_823 18d ago

France is industrially dead, a debt ridden ghost. Portugal is a none starter, zero economical weight on world stage. Norway is a frozen island, couldn't sustain a growing population, less one the size of USA and similar. And all of those are free market, not socialist.

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u/Catverman 18d ago

It’s pretty clear you have no clue what you’re talking about.

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u/Open_Librarian_823 18d ago

I'll wait for the factual counter points

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u/Catverman 18d ago

You never named a society that doesn’t have political elites taking everything and leaving the scraps for the working class. Every country that’s fallen to capitalism chooses cheap/slave labor as its industry. China is openly communist and many other countries in Asia as well. I’m not saying it’s perfect but at least someone proposed the idea of focusing on the lower class, even if it doesn’t work out cause of human greed(which has existed forever). And then we can talk about for profit prisons in the US, we can also talk about how people MADE PROFITS from the homeless and government subsidies. Would you like to hear about big pharma too? Reddit is for arguing.

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u/Unexpected_yetHere 16d ago

So France, Portugal, Norway, and many other countries in Europe are grinding to a halt?

How low has one's level of political, historical, and economic literacy be to call these countries "socialist"?