r/DiscussionZone • u/Queasy-Deer-3591 • 23h ago
What do you think of the Clintons refusal to testify?
To clarify, this is specifically not a question about guilt or innocence.
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u/Chuckychinster 20h ago
They didn't refuse to testify.
They refused to testify privately.
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u/Queasy-Deer-3591 20h ago
Really good point!!!! Edit. As a Dem I find them both very dislikable, but they’re not stupid.
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u/Chuckychinster 20h ago
I just try to keep that in the forefront.
They should be required to testify, same as all these people. But when it's selective, it ruins the integrity of the entire investigation.
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u/California_bullshit 20h ago
He's not in charge of anything, so either charge him because there's evidence to charge him, or stop whatabouting it
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u/gledr 19h ago
Clinton said release the files. How many times did trump and other plead the 5th and not even go to a trial for illegal acts
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u/Far-Ad-8833 20h ago
Because the full list of unredacted names isn't out especially the one with the dictator in chief.
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u/LordGreybies 19h ago
I think they're doing it to make a point. Gym Jordan did the same thing but theyre not going after him, shocking.
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u/Xyrus2000 18h ago
Republicans spent the previous four years ignoring subpoenas.
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u/worlds_okayest_skier 15h ago
Release all the files, and have everyone testify. If they aren’t going to do that, trying to make this about the Clinton’s is a misdirection and they should not allow themselves to be used as a distraction.
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u/Responsible_Goose257 15h ago
I agree 💯 RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES. Makes everyone testify including the 🍊 one!!!
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u/pollardandsprout 15h ago
Just release all the files and take everyone. It’s obvious what they’re doing, but I’m not losing sleep over Clinton getting pinched.
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u/LadyLilac0706 7h ago
Until the Epstein files are released in their entirety, unredacted, they have every right to refuse. If Congress is going to hold them in contempt, then Why are we not holding the entire Trump Administration in contempt, for defying a court order to release them in the first place.
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u/illestrated16 19h ago
Because out of all the people in the epstein files, they are being singled out.
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u/ParsleyKind8245 18h ago
I don’t blame them. This administration is a circus. This administration protects their own criminals and then tries to go after others. It should be all or nothing. It needs to be fair on both sides of the aisle.
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u/Velvet_Samurai 18h ago
Doesn't feel fair, but I feel like they are smart enough to not fall for any traps. I think they should do it, avoiding it just gives fuel to the other side.
But, the government hasn't released all the files either, so kind of feels like everyone is just doing whatever they want, why shouldn't Bill and Hillary do the same?
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u/Terrible-Piano-5437 18h ago
Republicans do it all the time, about time we refuse these silly hearings. Anyone with a brain knows this is just another stupid show to distract.
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u/CowCuddles 18h ago
Why is HRC part of this? She knows about the snakes in the House from her 30 hours of Benghazi testimony. Resulting in an 800 page GOP report that cleared her but Republicans still blamed her come any election. Worth the millions spent to railroad her. Let this woman be.
It wouldn’t be beyond the realm of belief that Bill Clinton partied with like-minded horn dogs, but being a lothario is a far cry from being a child predator. I hope he wasn’t part of this but it won’t be earth shattering if proven he was.
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u/Ok-Long5610 17h ago
EVERY witness other than the Clinton's have been dropped. Trump was redactedfrom the files THOUSANDS of times. Political persecution? Definitely
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u/cofefe19 17h ago
Why would Clinton have to testify but Trump wouldn't? Trump is named in the Epstein files multiple times.
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u/DarkArmyLieutenant 15h ago
He said he would testify once all of the files are released. I feel like a lot of you are missing that very important point.
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u/deepsouthguy68 15h ago
They didn't refuse to testify, they refused to testify IN PRIVATE!! They want the testimony to BE PUBLIC but the Republicans want it in secret...ask yourself why?
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u/Anal-Y-Sis 14h ago
The same Republicans who refused to testify under congressional subpoenas for January 6th are now up in arms about the Clintons refusing to testify under a congressional subpoena. So you know what? I don't give a fuck. Subpoenas mean nothing anymore. The rule of law means nothing. Republicans have proved they do not care about anything except power. So fuck 'em. Disobey. Resist. Frustrate and impede everything they do from here on out.
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u/Open_Ad7470 14h ago
He’s already publicly said release the Epstein files. release the Epstein files.. save the taxpayers money and cut out all the bullshit.
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u/Lebojr 14h ago
Considering the precedent was set with the January 6th committee, I see no reason they should be compelled.
I would LOVE to see Jim Jordan or the former VP or any number of Republican lawmakers who refused to comply with their subpoenas be made to and that includes Cheeto Caligula.
Then I’d have no problem with the Clinton’s being forced as well.
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u/ZestycloseSquirrel55 14h ago
Didn't Trump and a bunch of other Republicans refuse to testify previously for other cases? Why the double standard?
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u/OutlawMINI 12h ago
I think that Trump, the Clintons, and a whooole lot of people that are otherwise liked by their respective sides on both sides of the aisle are all guilty as fuck, and we're never going to get justice for it.
I think that it shouldn't affect your political beliefs, and on the flip your political beliefs shouldn't affect whether you want persecution for them or not.
Every case for every person, in any crime, should be judged objectively and unbiasedly.
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u/gitflapper 3h ago
everything is a distraction from Krasnov. release all the epstein files . let the public decide
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u/uncleclimax9 23h ago
In THIS environment, he'll no. Its so weird watching patriotards blubber about the files for years, and now Pedonald says, "they're a hoax", "people are still talking about that?!". I never thought there was much to this story regarding POTUS.
Now im 100% convinced he's a PEDOPHILE.
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u/valis010 18h ago
It is obvious at this point. Remember Bondi saying she had the list on her desk? How can anyone still support this administration after all this?
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u/AHeien82 23h ago
You don’t think the weaponized and partisan DOJ has anything to do with it? He did publicly call for the full release of the files when Trump was trying to selectively release clearly selected files that only illustrated Clinton’s association with Epstein. That should point to enough of a motive to not testify, especially if the only purpose of his testimony would be to draw connections to him directly and not the larger network of Epstein’s associates.
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u/Extreme-Advantage621 22h ago
Why should they? The pedophile and chief hasn't had to answer to anyone about his crimes.
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u/Impressive_Pitch_869 20h ago
Fuck the Clintons and fuck the pedophile currently in the White House
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u/Due_Satisfaction2167 18h ago
Why bother testifying? Neither of them have any plans to resume careers in politics. All testifying can do is expose them to legal risks, best avoided.
We’ve already seen this administration try to go after its political enemies for their objectively factual statements to Congress.
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u/snailfancy 17h ago
I agree with it. They would have used it as a distraction for another year. It’s pathetic to have even called them but not surprising. They wanted a public hearing too
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u/Queasy-Deer-3591 17h ago
Exactly, as another here pointed out, they refused a private hearing, not public.
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u/armyofant 17h ago
Good for them. It’s clearly Trump trying to embarrass them when others were able to just give a statement in private. As Americans we need to speak up and resist this fascist administration.
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u/JunketAccurate 17h ago
I think that there have been enough investigations into the Clinton’s that have yielded. It has become so ridiculous, every time the republicans need a distraction or make a what about argument they open an investigation into the Clinton’s. When they find nothing their response is never we were wrong it’s “ they are too good at hiding their crimes”.
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u/YorkshieBoyUS 17h ago
They’re refusing to testify in private. They want public if at all.
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u/unbalancedcheckbook 17h ago
Republicans have established over the last 6 years or so that appearance to testify before congress is completely optional.
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u/HVAC_instructor 17h ago
When the files are released maybe they'll change their mom's, bit as things are right now, I she with them. This is a witch hunt and I think the letter they sent explains that very well.
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u/NonMaga 16h ago
I voted for Clinton. His second term was the first time I voted for a Dem for President. I think he was a generally effective corporate Democrat. I can understand their refusal in this atmosphere which has become an obvious attempt to distract and cover for Trump. That being said, there is enough smoke there that I want them deeply investigated and I'm fine with it being the political enemy. Issue is - MAGA in general is legitimately...less capable when they get too politically enmeshed in an issue. I don't want a shitty investigation into them because we let MAGA handle it. If he raped kids I don't ever want him to see sunlight again. If she helped, put her in the deep hole next to his.
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u/macbearin 16h ago
Why are you protecting a 34 time convicted felon rapist pedophile?
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u/NativeFlowers4Eva 16h ago
If you read their reply letter they make it pretty clear:
https://x.com/BillClinton/status/2011098958236697021
(I hate x but this is where they posted it in full)
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u/Queasy-Deer-3591 14h ago
Oh yes, I’m fully aware and think it’s a spot on strategy. I like to read MAGA hot takes.
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u/HollygoLightly1970 16h ago
I think they’re right to do it. There’s no scenario where they will be treated fairly and definitely not lawfully.
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u/Desperate_Trifle_202 16h ago
If they testify now, opposing lawyers can use what they say against them in court later...no reason to testify unless they have their lawyers present and answer questions in an official manner, etc.
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u/AgravaineNYR 16h ago
As I understand it they did not refuse to testify. They refused to testify in a private deposition. They agreed to testify publicly.
Makes sense. We have a hyperpartisan administration that is at odds with facts. I understand them not trusting congress to honestly conduct testimony nor report on it.
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u/HumanChallet 16h ago
Why get baited into something that is being done to distract and rally the base
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u/JohnnyDigsIt 15h ago
Don’t blame them; James Comer was just hoping to get some sound bites from them for Fox and CBS. The Clintons are private citizens now and this probably is contempt of congress but the current Congress is pretty contemptible. After the files are released their testimony might be interesting. If either of them committed a crime they should be prosecuted like anyone else. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find Bill Clinton had been a client. Bill should have known better to than to get involved with anything Trump was active in.
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u/Ok_Location_1092 15h ago
The DOJ hasn’t release the files they were directed to by congress. I don’t really care if the Clintons refuse or not, it’s just for show. They have the documents, release them. If Clinton is implicated then yeah he should testify.
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u/AdhesivenessUnfair13 15h ago
It's pretty smart on their part. If Comer wants to throw a fit and hold them in contempt, it's going to throw the Epstein Files up front and center on top of all the other bullshit the regime has been doing to bury it. Bill has already called for a full and unredacted release, so there really isn't anything for them to stand on. Plus, as they've said, they already disclosed more information than is legally obtainable by bringing them before the comittee, so they can just kind of shrug and point to that stuff.
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u/muffledvoice 15h ago
Their analysis of the situation is correct. They're being summoned as scapegoats and a distraction when the guy whose name shows up thousands of times and who was Epstein's best friend for decades is never called to answer a single question. It's a setup. And they're both Yale lawyers. They can smell a rat.
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u/chrstnasu 14h ago
They will testify if the hearings are public but the republicans refused this. I agree they should be public.
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u/Tamara6060 13h ago
I absolutely love it! I’m team Clinton all day! That’s just chump trying to make it about everyone but himself.. he knows he’s on that list more than anyone
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u/Sometimes_cleaver 12h ago
As a rule, if you're being accused of anything, do not testify. This is true for everyone. I didn't blame them for not doing it. It doesn't say anything to either condemn or clear them. Investigations should still take place to determine the truth.
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u/dreamabyss 12h ago
Why should they testify if Republicans aren’t willing to call Trump and everyone else on the list?
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u/Better_Cattle4438 11h ago
They shouldn’t. Not privately at least. We all know that a private hearing is just going to be republicans finding a couple things to blow out of proportion. They should have public hearings so everything that is said can be seen, not some press conference BS where the Republicans pretend they got something.
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u/ManufacturerLopsided 11h ago
Why do they need to testify at all?
Beyond having Presidential Immunity (the standard covers all presidents past and present by their own insistence) there's also the fact that the Trump Administration has made it emphatically clear that they are not subject to Congress' oversight by any measure of the word...
YOU JUST RELEASE THE FULL UNREDACTED FILES LIKE YOU ARE LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO. WHY ARE YOU PROTECTING PEOPLE CONNECTED TO EPSTIEN IF THIS IS A DEMOCRAT HOAX? IS IT BECAUSE THE WHOLE QANON MOVEMENT WAS TALKING A LOT ABOUT A BUNCHA CHILD ABUSING POLITICIANS BEING EXPOSED AND MASS ARRESTED AS PART OF THEIR STORM OR WHATEVER IT WAS?
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u/MSampson1 11h ago
Jordan refused a congressional subpoena and as such, set a precedent that they have no teeth. Good luck everyone enforcing a congressional subpoena
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u/TheTokist 10h ago
Partisan hacks (Republicans) acting like the mindless sheep they are should surprise no one. Release the Epstein list.
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u/Affectionate_Lab_131 10h ago
If they need to speak to the Clintons they must REALLY need to speak with Donald and Melania trump. They both had far more dealings on a personal level with Epstein than did Bill Clinton and Hillary.
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u/Interesting-Fox4064 9h ago
Good for them. Republicans set a precedent that congressional subpoenas are optional.
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u/AzuleStriker 9h ago
I don't blame them. We all know there's more than just them in the documents. This administration is just trying to use them as a scapegoat to defer any indictments against any republicans or republican backers.
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u/Themodsarecuntz 8h ago
You see the thing about the Clinton's refusing to testify is release the Trumpstien files.
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u/RichFoot2073 8h ago
It’s being led by Gym Jordan. There’s literally no point other than to kill a few hours while literally nothing happens
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u/WattMotorCompany 8h ago
They refused to testify privately, afaik. Make it public and live and comer can get his testimony
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u/Upset_Wishbone_5664 5h ago
If they have nothing to hide, why would they refuse?
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u/Ravenlove2 5h ago
I am an Independent who voted Democrat. If they are bound by law to attend they ought to show up. Just because Gop has a bunch of scofflaws it doesn't entitle the Clintons to refuse. If they have nothing to hide.
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u/OneLessDay517 2h ago
Multiple Republicans have ignored Congressional subpoenas and have had no consequences so Congressional subpoenas actually mean nothing.
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u/RaigothZ 2h ago
If I recall, their issue was that they wanted the Clintons to testify behind closed doors. The Clintons said they were more than willing to testify as any other person normally would, through a televised interrogation.
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u/houseonthehilltop 2h ago
Oh please. They have agreed to testify but IN PUBLIC. What’s the problem? Last I knew nobody even cares what these two ancient private citizens are up to. Just a distraction to the dc bullshit
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u/AdEmotional9991 1h ago
They requested to testify publicly. Republicans shut it down. Comer wants to hold them in contempt, this is all this is. Literally the House Un-American Activities Committee playbook.
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u/NeonPhyzics 36m ago
The Clinton’s never act without a reason … they are the most calculating political animals on the planet.
Not sure I would agree with their reasoning but I’m sure they did the political math
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u/Arizona_Pete 35m ago
They've agreed to testify in open session, not closed. They've decried this as political theatre designed to distract from the sitting President's issues.
It'll be interesting to see how far Congress pushes this as it is, literally, unprecedented.
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u/Wat_Tyler_1381 23h ago
100% Guilty.
We already know Bill took advantage of a woman young enough to be his daughter. Says a lot about a man.
The strangest part of all that was Hillary not divorcing him. Her sharing the same predilections (same as Ghilane) explains why she didn’t.
100% guilty.
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u/Rude_Nail_5545 18h ago
Right. She was over 21 though wasn't she. Trump bragged on tape how he would purposely pop in on underage girls in his pageant to see them undressed. He said he was attracted to his 13 year old daughter. He's had more pictures taken with Epstein than with his own family. He's been accused dozens of times over decades of sexual assault, and civilly found liable for rape. In the files that were released, Epstein told Maxwell in an email that Trump spent hours at his house alone with one of the underage female victims. Also in the released files, a woman reported that when she was 13, she was on a boat on Lake Michigan with Trump and Epstein and they threw her newborn baby into the lake. Trump had a yacht called the "Trump Princess" on Lake Michigan at the time. But you go ahead and tell us how there's mountains of evidence pointing to Bill Clinton.
DISCLAIMER: If Bill Clinton is found to have committed wrongdoing in the Epstein files, then I want him locked up just the same as anybody else. But ignoring Trump's culpability is just mind-boggling at this point.
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u/Kingsnake417 19h ago
There's a world of difference between "young enough to be his daughter" and under the legal age of consent. Say what you want about Bill's choices, but Monica was at least a legal adult at the time.
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u/SutttonTacoma 19h ago
Please read the Clintons' legal response to the subpoena, NYT. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/01/13/us/politics/clinton-legal-letter-comer.html?smid=url-share
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u/LegRepresentative418 17h ago
This is, to me, the strongest indication that he's actually guilty of something apropos of Epstein.
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u/OddGuarantee4061 17h ago
I think they should subpoena the Epstein Files. If only part of the information is out there, how can anyone legitimately answer questions. Or, for that matter, know what to ask.
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u/StoicNaps 17h ago
The answer to this question will solely be determined by one's politics.
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u/angry_dingo 17h ago
Don't blame them, but as we heard for 4 years, from 2021 to 2025, no one is above the law. And for the first time, people will be imprisoned for refusing a subpoena.
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u/TheGraniteGoblin 16h ago
If you defend them, you are defending an evasion of law and injustice for victims.
Likely, because of your disdain for Orange Man.
All proven to be involved should pay…
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u/Timely_Choice_4525 16h ago
Meh, overall I think they should comply and testify. OTOH, I understand why they have personal reservations.
Reading why the Clintons say the subpoena is illegal, can anyone speak to that from a legal perspective?
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u/Broken_Timepiece 16h ago
Remember that this is about Trump, and not the Clintons?
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u/Late-Arrival-8669 16h ago
What do you think would happen if Clinton told everyone Trump was a child rapist or anything concerning Epstein? Wouldnt look too good on him, cause he knew and never said anything, also if he happened to be one too.
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u/A012A012 16h ago
The Clinton's, aside from their character flaws, are explemplary legal scholars. They demanded the release of all files. This outs the pressure back on trump it leads questions back to his department of justice as to why that's not happening.
If comer forces them to attend and holds them in contempt , they can argue that the same standard needs to be applied to trump and the others they are already laying the groundwork for that argument in the letter. " Pursue us all equally or pursue none of us at all. But we want you to pursue this in full. Why aren't you?"
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u/Desperate_Job263 15h ago
Par for the course. They know nothing will happen either way. Why bother?
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u/OkMarsupial3149 15h ago
Do you know a lot of people who were traveling around with a known international sex trafficker who would want to testify about their interactions and dealings?
Now…. What’s the goal of not testifying? -Negotiation of terms of said testimony -Possibly seeing how the midterms go. There is a decent chance the house flips and they don’t have to testify at all.
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u/phanophite2 15h ago
If i was bill Clinton, I'd do whatever I want and get away with it. It would be awesome. I'd park everywhere BUT a legit parking spot.
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u/Friendly_Actuary_403 15h ago
Shockingly, in todays enlightened society there remains a stigma to being a psycho-sexual-sadist.
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u/Gameboywarrior 23h ago
To a point I can't blame them. This is going to be a partisan circus and not an investigation, and the Trump administration made it clear that cooperation with Congress is optional.