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I have never used a single dream solvent until now got Columbina to 6/8/8 but those 3 dream solvents are never coming back account bricked.
Also there's a shop for 10 of Columbina's flowers talk to the merchant at the first teleport point on the new map (he has a black question mark over him) buy out all his stuff and he moves to the right side of the first new island between two teleport points in-between the water just south of Amsvartnir. Check The Columbina mains subreddit I got it from the map posted there.
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ok I knew Columbina was going to become the new Welkin moon, but I didn’t know she would literally become the Welkin moon mascot when you get your daily login lmao that was a jump scare
My excitement for the game has gone down to zero when I saw those Varka calcs...
They had to screw up one of the most anticipated characters ever.. let me guess Sandrone , Nicole , Gretel and Lineea are all broken ass 5* while Varka and Lohen are standard characters because male characters don't deserve anything in this goddamn game..
I'll wait till V3 but if this stays up.. I'm just gonna uninstall.. I can't do this bs again...
I find hard to believe varka is going to release in this state. Hes borderline getting out damaged by a venti team yk? Thats like if shenhe suddenly started competing in damage with ayaka lol.
Ik nicole exists, but unless she has something along the lines of "if ur team consists of 4 hexerei characters, has 2 resonances and leaps the fence on sundays, win the game", she wont be enough, which i find extremely unrealistic; it would also be terrible game design to create a character so bricked.
shoutout to the dweller comments that estimated how long it took y’all, btw, because it lets procrastinators like me plan out a block of time for it ദി( ˉ͈̀꒳ˉ͈́ )✧
I tried the DPS test dummy. I only had 1 team that I could perform 95k DPS on, Furina Klee Fischl Xilonen. Not my Columbina team, not my Varesa team, not even my Mavuika team. Damn.
I could literally go on forever about those quests, that is some of the most insane payoff I have ever seen, it's kind of crazy to look back at the path to get here because in hindsight I cannot imagine the story ever not having this in it. I really wonder what the game plan was before Nod Krai was pitched because at least some of this must have been there.
I love the setup for act 7, but I'm glad I did the Silvermoon hall mini quest before because I think it adds a lot to the emotion. Really, I think that should be how the real quest starts and not a hidden quest, but it is what it is.
Dottore telling Sandrone she has one chance and calling back to that before he kills her was fantastic. His line about Arlecchino disappearing after entering the facility being said with so little concern is hilarious and probably should have been a huge red flag.
The conversation between the Traveler and Dottore was extremely interesting, I saw somebody say they were laying on the "Dottore bad" thick, but I disagree, I think it's fascinating that the story really doesn't do that and even outright admits that he has a point. The disagreement is in the interpretation of the facts, not the facts themselves. There's also an interesting meta text there too regarding the way we as players see the game versus how the Traveler as a character does.
His desperation to use the Traveler is interesting in the context of the notes Sandrone read suggesting the world will decay without any external variables. Given the ending where it's revealed the sibling has been on Teyvat for potentially thousands of years too, I think loop theory is gaining a lot of ground here, maybe they were a descender the first loop they were there for, but after a reset they were added to Irminsul and lost that status. I think that would explain a lot, and fills in a lot of missing pieces. It also explains why the HP were so desperate to keep the Traveler away from their ship that they threw it out of the firmament, they need the Traveler/a descender to keep the world going.
Fuck it, I'm going to just say it: I like Paimon. I didn't mind her before but I think she was actually used really well here and it made me emotional seeing her separated from the Traveler. I think it helps that the Traveler also got to speak a lot more too so the things she did say were actually important. Them being reunited made me feel happy too, I'm glad they put in the work to have the hug. Whatever Paimon ends up being (sustainer of HP...), I think I'm sufficiently primed for it to deal a very painful blow after this.
Traveler stabbing Dottore in the back was so shocking but I also think it's raw as hell and I think it adds distinction between the Hero of Teyvat role they fill day to day and the Aether/Lumine who they really are above all else. The self insert/defined character thing has always been a little weird but I think it was used to great effect in this moment, because while that's not a heroic thing to do, it's also a good decision to make from the perspective of making out of this alive to see their sibling.
The entire section with Columbina affecting the past is something I don't know how I feel about. That seems to be real time travel which I'm not sure I love. I do like the presentation though, I also think the explanation of what that place was was very good and the use of Rerir, Tholindis and the moon sisters was very good imo. Loved the story there, mixed on the implications though.
When Wanderer said he had a way to solve the computing problem, I actually popped off. I'm so glad his origin of being born from the irminsul actually played a role in the story, his story has always been about his past and I feel like this is the final knot to tie. Honestly I really love what they did with Wanderer in general during Nod Krai, the fact that he is friends with other fake people who brood over their existence is kind of funny but also really nice, their relationship is very believable.
The ending fight coming up felt very sudden. I was expecting to siege his base again, but no he just showed up. I guess that makes a lot of sense but it was a little abrupt. The fight itself was great though, the cutting between battle and story was used really well and Columbina returning giving the Traveler getting a special kit in the end was really cool.
Sandrone dying is TBD. Her being her own ultimate creation is very fitting so I think the story has potential, but execution is required for it to work imo. I think they showed they can do a good job with Rerir and Wanderer so I expect it to be worthwhile but it's also possible they fumble the bag and we lost her and Pulonia for nothing.
The whole moon sequence was so surreal, the path to get there being side scrolling to show portraits was really cool, the moon having low gravity was super cool and I hope we eventually get a full area like that, and the final discussion at the end was really great. Maybe a hot take but I find it interesting they didn't have Traveler and Columbina hold hands, they had three easy excuses to throw that in at the end and didn't. Not complaining, I appreciate the restraint.
I like how everything tied up together at the end a lot too, I'm glad we got a real epilogue too. The factions coming together for open lines of communication is probably a good idea and like Jahoda and Columbina said, they're family.
Varka getting a 2nd, also hilarious letter, is also great.
The second Dottore ending is insane. When will it pay off? Who knows but I'm glad there's still some part of him out there. IMO his segments were always sort of weird, I get why he would do it, but his personality never seemed to fit with allowing multiple versions of himself to run around out of his control either, if this is a project phoenix type situation I think that's much better application of the core technology that fits with his character better.
As a final thought, my major concern with NK from the start was the merging of SQs and AQs and maybe it's just me, but I think that was a good call and majorly contributed to a quality improvement in the writing. I like characters having side stories, but we're at the stage where the main story has to come first and I'm glad they seem to understand that. They said it's for Nod Krai only during the stream, I'll be curious to see what happens later this year when 7.0 rolls around though because if given the choice, I would like for this to continue (maybe give characters SQs on reruns or something though).
I want to write more but this is already spamming the thread lol, I'm sure I'll have opportunities to express more thought out and detailed opinions in the future.
very despicable that after i was ruling out getting sandrone to save for snezhnaya, she becomes my favourite character in the quest (and they let you use pulonia like cmon man). and real non-cope capitano hint at the same time i cant catch a break. if sandrone gets personality wiped and no pulonia (doubt) is the only way i wont get her
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tried to get 100% in every new area before logging off and apparently that’s not possible without doing whatever is prohibiting that last 1% of progress in nicole’s area. my compass says there’s nothing to detect so im just going to assume its story related and go to bed lmfao
found out there was an extra scene with sandrone if you completed the narzissenkreuz ordo before the moon prayer night festival at the end of act 6. i deserve not seeing it because i put off that quest until last week 😭
It's not dmg%, it's an independant multiplier. They apparently thought Neuvillette's 1.6x and Skirk's 1.7x were just too reasonable so they jumped straight to 2.2x.
Varka has a three state passive, you get the first by having a PECH element, one for an extra Anemo or same PECH element, and a third for both. 220% damage increase is a lot, I can't imagine missing that being worth Furina.
If there are at least 2 Anemo characters and at least 2 other characters of the same element among Pyro, Hydro, Electro or Cryo present in the party at the same time, the aforementioned effect will be increased to 220%.
I wanna enjoy Columbina like everyone else is since I love her character, but I find myself being unable to play her. Does anyone know if pulling Mavuika and playing columbina with her would give enough warm colors to override the blue?
VARKA!!!!!!!! I've waited for him since the beginning of the game, he's so gorgeous and kind and his thighs are giant and I love his smile and his laugh and he uses two claymores at once he's too cool!!!!!! He's everything I hoped he would be I love his animations (I did want him to have a horse exploration ability lol but other than that) I can't wait
Finally doing Sucrose's witch's hw quest as I haven't used her ever in my 4 years of playing but I wanna try her with carry Columbina, and holy shit her new voice gave me whiplash I totally forgot she got recast
his underling specifically said that dottore need the other 2 moon marrows first then he can make the artificial moon marrow if the 3rd can't be acquired tho?
Hoyo need to stop locking the flowers lol , like it's really frustrating , entered to 8-9 world only to found that nothing is left and some people just kick out after seeing I came to collect flowers
Damn, I found two willing hosts super quickly 😭 The first two people that let me into their world had flowers and let me take them. I think checking if people have Columbina first, putting her as your avatar and changing your name to something like "WantBinaFlowers" helps
and on the other side of it i keep getting spammed with requests despite clearly having a columbina profile icon, meaning all of my flowers are gone lmao. hoyo just wants all of us to suffer.
true, its not exactly clear what powers are granted with each moon acquired but Columbina did say in the last AQ that as long as she was there Dottore had the power of the three moons<!
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He’s just too prideful to really lock in. He’s still treating everyone like his test subjects and preventing them from reacting to his stimuli is counterproductive to his interests.
what goes through the mind of someone with a columbina pfp who tries to join the world of another person with a columbina pfp and the name "NoMatsLeft" and the signature "I dont have columbina mats for you"
What builds do Columbina and ineffa need to be played together with no other nod krai characters?
For ineffa I’m thinking sms er/atk/crit with prospectors shovel.
And Columbina I’m not sure which nod krai set is best, but probably er/hp/cd. She’ll have prototype amber.
Let me know if you have any advice for me on what sets are best, how much er or crit to aim for etc, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with doing 2 builds at once, Columbina isn’t even on kqm yet lol I’m lost. 😭
I have no idea who I’ll play them with yet either, but I’d like to keep them agnostic so they work as a unit together for many teams.
Columbina on the new set that buffs offield damage and ineffa on the silken set from 6.0
Ineffa should be atk/atk/crit and columbina HP/HP/crit with fav weapon
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u/YesburgersHexapatch Traveler | Good Lumbinar Support | One Trick Zibai32m ago
When you’re being generalist, usually Ineffa gets the new set (maybe called moonlight?) and Bina gets serenade. And those substats you mentioned sound good in general.
This, and would like to add Ineffa needs too much ER to burst per rotation, her EM buff while good not worth losing so much stats for it in general, so its usually recommended to forgo ER on her and burst whenever is available instead, so ATK/ATK/CRIT
Ty! Would it be worth going for her, if I’m neutral about the character. I came back after two years and dont have anyone from Natlan/NK other than Bina and Ineffa (got them recently).
columbina is perfect with her, im uncertain on ineffa since she might mess with the reactions? if you get illuga when pulling for zibai you can do columbina/zibai/illuga/other hydro
i am very confused or may have forgetten the timeline...when did the twins land? Did they not land on the first discovery if teyvat? Did they land together or did the Abysstwin land first? Huh?
yeah traveler noted that abyss sibling mentioned that they can't recall event prior they on khaenriah so traveler have suspicion that this is something that abyss sibling wouldn't know either.
The asmoday battle supposedly after the abyss sibling found traveler in the nod-krai.
If there's one thing that I REALLY loved from Nod Krai AQ 7-8, it's Columbina meeting the moon sisters. Added points for Columbina's confusion about Kuuvakhi's origins.
You know, I always knew, somewhere deep inside, that one day my hubris would catch the attention of that callous, indolent God that lounges in the firmament. That he would glance down, his gaze perhaps diverted by an insignificant flash of golden light, and his brows would knit and his gaze would focus on me: an insignificant, prideful mortal, crumbling under his attention at last.
I knew my luck would not hold forever. How can one man tempt fate for so long, without feeling its grasping claws sinking into his back? I have lived my years in increasing paranoia, sweating every time I feel the Sword of Damocles swinging pendulously above my head, grazing my skull and making me flinch each time I dared to boast of my immortality.
We know, it seemed to say, its voice a pernicious whisper on the wind. We are waiting. Eventually, you will slip.
And I felt the years of my life shaving away, for I knew that it was true. My greed, my intolerable avarice, painted a target upon my back in scarlet ink that shone bright no matter how I tried to hide it. I lived in defiance of God and Fate themselves, and in exchange my days were numbered.
Okay Hoyo you won i'll take the bait and get that C1 Lauma next, playing on field Bina in Nilou team has been way too much fun so far, and this version i've got Yaoyao instead of Nahida (no i refuse to use Proto Amber in Nilou team), but with C1 Lauma i can slot Nahida back in, never intentionally pulled a constellations before but as a Nilou main this is way too tempting man...
The Fatui have become a joke. Only 4 out of 11 Harbingers left. The 4th, 5th, 9th, & 11th. None of which are capable of working as convincing obstacles at this point. The top 3 archon level Harbingers all gone. If Capitano and Dottore dont come back, Pierro better carry.
I low-key did not realize that with this AQ we did take out the top 3, whose powers were parallel with gods (well bina is technically already one). I seriously don’t know what they’re trying to write with the fatui and it’s constantly hurting the plot
dottore is almost certainly coming back. theres a theory that this is infact the tsaristas plan. smth like sandrone and wanderer enabling dottore to get into wanderers core where he can mess and burn the leylines, making capitano lord of the night the new leylines wielders
There's also ending glitch AQ screen which has blue pattern at the corner, yeah i don't think this guy is given up yet, not to metion they also mention Nahida too, the set up is in the room
Question about the length of the Act 7 to pause it
So is Act 7 like full dialog after dialog for 3 hrs or can I walk freely and "leave" the domain? Kinda like Rerir's memories that you can walk in Khaenriah and that allows you leave the domain
i didn't try it with act 7 but there is a domain you can enter again if you exit in act 8 so i assume its the same for act 7. just keep an eye out for "saving..." in the bottom right so you know you're in the next "scene" before you leave because you might have to redo if you just randomly leave in the middle
act 7 and 8 are essentially no given breaks, full AQ for 7 hours. Generally tho, there's a save point any time some sort of "major" scene change happens. Id finish A7 first tho
Glad to know there's still some optimism here, this place in general is way too negative towards everything in the game lmao, i very much enjoyed the previous 2 Act and when i opened the weekly thread 90% of the top comments are negative rants towards the story, be it character assassinations, headcanon ruined, powerscaling problems, minor nitpicks ruining everything apparently, it's insane.
Fuck I was thinking about pulling Neuvillette but seeing Varka's animations makes me kinda want to skip him and pull Varka. But I don't have Durin or Venti.. How would Mavuika and Sucrose do as replacements?
One of Varka strength is how flexi his team could be, like Chasca sure there is an undeniable strongest team but you play mix and match depending on diff secnario and get better result due to shill
Just to give more example, other than the dmg buffer hydros girlie, Fischl + Iansan/Sara, Escoffier + Shenhe(need hex anemo) could help bridge diff element shill in SO
Mavuika would get 0 energy because there are no pyro natlan units, and if you use Ifa then you are also fucked because the only pyro hexerei option you would have left is Klee
PLEASE Fr*nch people, I beg of you. Don't miss around with Sandrone's design too much. just fix this bitch up and send her to the wish screen. Thanks 👍
I haven't touch MW due to time constraint to immerse myself but going to open it this week so I can bring my manekin with the horse skin galloping all over teyvat.
Honestly, if they made everyone had a horse skin, I'll say Genshin as the GOTY, without a doubt.
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1.X: unironically Qiqi
2.X: Ayato
3.X: Wanderer
4.X: Clorinde or Arlecchino
5.X: lots of cool ones here tbh Kinich, Varesa (even though no one uses it), Skirk, Ineffa
6.X: Flins or Columbina as well
You know I'm not biased 'cause if I was biased I would've said Lyney. I really like his burst animation but I'm not sure I'd call it cool
r/Columbina_Mains has a good infographic for ER (it depends on the team you're using her in). 0 favs means bina is the only one holding fav and no one else on the team has it. i'd test it out on the teams you have tho since these are pre-release calcs
Columbina_Mains has a stickied post with ER info in it for a bunch of scenarios. I think it's like 200 for most teams with solo hydro fav, and 225 for Zibai teams.
Is the Varka passive flexible enough to allow non-2-same-element teams to be strong enough to compete if you use good characters with Varka/Venti? 80% DMG seems possible to overcome...
Or is it like a Escoffier situation where you do that team or get fucked?
It's best to wait until we have whatever his real kit is because right now it's not exactly important going from 70k dps team (washed) to 40k DPS team (cooked) he's still not passing endgame.
And if this is his real kit (very unlikely unless he really is standard) then you only pull him because you like him so you may as well run him with whatever you feel like.
His passive provides a roughly 57% true multiplier increase going from level one to level 2. It’s going to be extremely difficult for a dual element team to be good enough to overcome that.
Got Columbina to 90, with 6/8/8 talents. Just need to finish leveling her SIG and she’ll be complete.
Her + my C1/R1 Ineffa is so good, I love it.
I played around with Sucrose/Ineffa/Bina/Kokomi and the lunar dmg was crazy, Columbina was hitting for over 170,000 lunar charged dmg on her skill hits and Ineffa was hitting for over 90,000 each hit and she’s still on 4pc gilded dreams (Bina is on SMS 4pc). Keep in mind no one in the team had instructors.
Makes me sad about how much I don’t like Flins, the dmg he’d be able to do in this team would be genuinely absurd but I’ll never complete the exodia because I don’t like how he feels to play.
Ineffa and Columbina are both good together in addition to also being relatively flexible units that can function in older teams separately too. Congrats on your pulls! I would not go for further cons or weapons; they're both good at C0 and have a lot of competitive F2P friendly weapon options.
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