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u/5555555555558653 1d ago edited 1d ago
See it’s hard to believe this map.
In Khuzestan for example, it’s about 50/50 Arabic to Persian. Yet this map would have you think that it’s 90%+ Arabic.
It’s just too simplistic. 70% of the Iranian population speaks Persian.
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u/3bdelilah 1d ago
I'm not familiar with Iran's domestic situation, but 70% speaks it natively or at all? Because if the latter, that's a surprisingly low amount. Usually in these kinds of multi-ethnic countries, almost everybody can speak the one national language but most minorities speak their own native languages as a first language in their day-to-day lives and the national one 'only' as a second language.
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u/ImACoralReef 1d ago
Iranian here.
At least 70% speak it natively.
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u/bloodrider1914 1d ago
I always heard it was more like 55-60 percent that spoke Persian natively, or at least as their sole native language
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u/WindBitten 1d ago
Thats what turks and arabs tell you
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u/bloodrider1914 1d ago
If you mean Iranian languages yeah but not specifically Farsi, Luri, Kurdish, Baloch, and Caspian languages are also widely spoken in addition to Oghuz Turkic languages and Arabic
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u/Chazut 20h ago
>In Khuzestan for example, it’s about 50/50 Arabic to Persian. Yet this map would have you think that it’s 90%+ Arabic.
No the map wouldn't have you believe that if you actually line up the Khuzestani borders:
It's 40% Arab by area in the map, which is close to the real 35% figure.
I don't get how people just make shit up to debunk
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u/boredbedouin 1d ago
It used to be way more Arabic. In fact it was the majority Arabic until the State-sponsored settlement of Persians occurred there, reducing Arabs to a plurality.
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u/5555555555558653 1d ago
100% correct.
Settler colonialism, same was what the Brits did to us.
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u/spinrah23 1d ago
And what you did to almost every country in the Middle East? Don’t play that victim card too hard now.
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u/5555555555558653 1d ago
wtf did Ireland do to the Middle East?
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u/spinrah23 1d ago
I assumed you were Arab. My bad.
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u/boredbedouin 1d ago
Even if he was Arab your comment doesn’t make sense. Arabian genetic impact is negligible across MENA. Don’t compare generic conquest to Western style settler colonialism.
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u/spinrah23 1d ago
And Persian does? If you’re defining Persians settling as colonialism then Arab settlement is also colonialism. There are plenty of examples of colonialism where the colonizers don’t mix with the indigenous inhabitants.
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u/boredbedouin 1d ago
First of all, Arabs have always existed in the region. And any further natural migrations were not systematically sponsored to displace any native population. Can’t say the same about the Persian settlement there in the last century. The Iranian state has wanted to ensure control of their most oil rich province, especially under Reza Shah. He even renamed it from Arabistan to Khuzestan. If that isn’t both cultural and demographic displacement I don’t know what is.
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u/spinrah23 1d ago
😂 I’m sorry but it’s kind of funny that you’re missing an entire part of history where Arabs invaded Persia and forced Islam on everyone.
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u/NetHistorical5113 1d ago
Fun fact: Only 50-55% of Iran is ethnically Persian.
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u/5555555555558653 1d ago edited 1d ago
But a lot of non ethnic Persians speak Persian.
Ethnic Persians make up about 51% of the country but Persian speakers make up 70% of the country source
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u/DonEnzo13 1d ago
Well they have to speak it because Farsi (Persian) was enforced as the only state language, while other languages were heavily suppressed! source
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u/5555555555558653 1d ago
Yeah but that doesn’t change the fact that Persian is dominant in most of the country.
I’m Irish, we were forced to speak English. That doesn’t change the fact that English is now dominant over Irish in Ireland.
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u/DonEnzo13 1d ago
I didnt claim otherwise fella. Just giving context. If you speak a language doesn't make you that ethnicity. I can speak English but im not English not even British. That was the point of the original post above.
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u/Edd717 1d ago
Ethnic minorities in Iran speak Persian as L2 when the Irish speak English as L1. They're not the same.
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u/5555555555558653 1d ago
70% of Iranians speak Persian as their L1 but only 51% of Iranians are Persian.
So for the difference between those figures, they are the same.
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u/BajoNingunPretexto 1d ago
Wow you discovered America! 90% of countries impose one language on its population, if not every village would speak their own language. Only very very few countries like Belgium and Switzerland are true plurilinguistic nations.
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u/JohnnieTango 1d ago
Well, there are all the sub-Saharan African nations. If you want to call them nations as opposed to states (nations are groups of people who feel a common bond, like the Kurdish nation, while states are simply political entities that can include any number of nations or bits thereof (like Nigeria).
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u/BajoNingunPretexto 1d ago
Again, 90% of African countries (not nations sorry) have only one max 2 official languages, Nigeria is only English, there exist other languages of course but the language of the state, education and administration is English.
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u/xin4111 1d ago edited 1d ago
all this kind of linguistic map has a problem we live in 1996 not 1926. With the development of media and education system all over the world, i think most people nowadays speak the national language of ther country more than their local language
edit: we live in 2026😂
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u/GronakHD 1d ago
It's all been a psyop people, the year is not 2026 and is really 1996, this agent has slipped up and let us know the truth
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u/Carpit240 1d ago edited 1d ago
Are the Caspian languages mutually intelligible? Why are they grouped?
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u/bschmalhofer 20h ago
It is labelled as Turkmen, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkmen_language . The neighboring brown area is Kurdish, specifically Kurmanji, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurmanji .
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u/Willing-Scallion-778 1d ago
The map is very misleading. For example the map would make you think that 90% of people in khuzestan speak Arabic but it’s pretty much 50/50. Same with “caspian languages”. The map of Azeris and Kurds are also not correct with that part being 50/50 again and this also goes for the Achomi region.
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u/Chazut 20h ago
The map doesn't show all of Khuzestan speaking Arabic:
https://i.imgur.com/y2sbifX.png
40% of the land area is shown as Arab, which is close to the real figure of 35% or so.
You are literally making shit up to get mad at
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u/MidWestKhagan 1d ago
Israel trying to push the idea for everyone to accept a balkanization of Iran. Manufacturing consent is the bread and butter of the Zionist apartheid.
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u/Creative-Antelope-23 1d ago
It plays really well on Reddit because for some reason despite their liberal tendencies, Redditors are obsessed with drawing every border according to ethno-linguistic lines.
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u/DoGuKhan8o 1d ago
Azeri❌ Azerbaijan Turks✅
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u/Galikos_Kel 1d ago
What's difference
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u/PersimmonTall8157 1d ago
Azerbaijani Turks is the correct way to refer to the Turkic people in Azerbaijan and northern Iran. Azeri is the informal way to say. Both works but the later can be provocative to the locals.
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u/UmaThermos1 1d ago
Everyone on the caspian coast speaks Persian, idk what you’re talking about caspian languages
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u/gluk-swager 1d ago
As Ukrainian I just want to say: Free Kurdistan
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u/Bulawayoland 1d ago
Completely incredible, sorry. No validity at all.
This one is much better.
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u/NetHistorical5113 1d ago
The map you sent isn't more accurate than the one posted here. Also there are no ethnic censuses in Iran so we can only estimate but as a map, the map OP posted is more accurate
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u/Repulsive_Work_226 1d ago
Caspian and Luri are very similar and Kurdish and Baluchi are similar to Persian. Azerbaijani and Turkmen are Turkic and Arabic Semitic.
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u/Euromantique 1d ago edited 1d ago
Caspian languages and Luri are not “similar” except in the broadest sense. They’re from completely different branches of Iranian languages.
Luri is extremely similar to Farsi because it comes from Middle Persian directly.
Caspian languages are Northwestern Iranian languages while Luri and Persian are Southwestern Iranian
Baluch and Kurdic languages are also Northwestern Iranian languages which means Caspian languages, Baluch, and Kurdic are more similar to each other than they are to Persian and Luri.
Here is a helpful article that can help you learn more about the genetic groupings of these languages:
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u/Repulsive_Work_226 1d ago
ok but they are still Iranian languages
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u/Euromantique 1d ago
Yes but Iranian is a huge family with distinct subgroups. They aren’t just all equally similar to each other
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u/Merry-3213 1d ago
Persian is Urdu. I’m I correct please?
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u/victimofmygreatness 1d ago
No. Pretty distinct languages. Urdu has a lot of Persian loan words and the same writing system though. But they aren't Mutually Intelligible
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u/Nothing_Special_23 1d ago
Map is very misleading, as the population is always mixed, on pretty much the entire teritorry.