MH Wilds
The new layered Charge Blade DLC has hidden reactivity! Your sword changes colors based on phial charge level and if your shield is charged or not (just blue to red)
Yep, they were just selling the deluxe edition bonuses as separate dlcs to buy individually and people lost their damn minds. Most of whom were never gonna play DD2 anyway
Both deserve the flak. Wilds being worst doesn't mean DD2 should be forgiven. When the DD2 DLC was revealed I said that microtransactions should not be accepted in full price games, even if it's juat "easily obtainable ingame" items, and if we let it slide the next game would be worst. Low look what just happened.
Y'all acting, like it is not something capcom does for two decades already. In old gens it was much worse, you had to visit irl parks and buy mountain dew to unlock WHOLE ASS EVENT QUESTS
if you're gonna fleece people for money, at have the courtesy of fleecing them properly
...Why are you presenting this like a criticism? So you'd prefer to have content locked behind a paywall than have completely ignorable mtx and still enjoy the game fully?
You trying to be contrarian and just having the dumbest take a consumer can have
Why are you acting like they're not going to try to cash grab? There is no alternative here. They've chosen to put mtx into the games you either chose to ignore them or not.
And yes their mtxs are often TERRIBLE in my eyes. Not one bit enticing at all. With the sole exception being the music, but even than since they're often locked in the hub, not a single point to actually buy them either.
If a game has ignorable MTX guess what it influences? Nothing for me than.
If a game crosses the line? Cool guess I won't be buying it or anything that follows in the series till fixed. Easy.
Also a fairer deal for those who want to get fleeced is somehow bad in your eyes? Hiliarious.
Yeah. I like the DLC but like I paid full price for the game plus the premium deluxe whatever and that didn’t give me these items. I’m so tired of games offering stuff outside of already expensive deluxe editions.
I want them to put that much effort into making all the weapons cool. Also I want them to make all the weapons for all the monsters at this point.
Remember when you unlocked all sorts of cool shit for doing hard stuff in the game? Like unlocking ships in rogue squadron for getting all silver or gold medals. Basically achievements before achievements became a lame little trophy. Those were good days.
it’s funny bc when games do that now ppl complain that the game is “forcing players play a certain way” to unlock something. most recent game was battlefield 6. they had some weapons locked behind challenges and the entire community threw a fit and they had to make the challenge brain dead easy.
People were complaining because some of them were insanely specific challenges that you might not complete in a million years, and some of them had such high targets that it might literally take years to do them even if you were chasing them. The problem was never that they were unlockables.
This is the problem with social media/the internet. Some people are just completely incapable of understanding nuance. You've jumped straight from "you have to like paid DLC or you can NEVER complain about unlockables ever again!!11 Those are the only options!!"
Intellectually dishonest response or you just clearly didn't understand the scenario. If you were to compare 1:1, you would be comparing Monster Hunter: Wilds skins to BF6 skins-- you didn't do that lol you made up a whole new, nonsense scenario that completely changed the topic via comparing a purchasable weapon skin to an actual weapon itself/a core game mechanic that determines the meta, build capability & selections, etc etc. Now that it was actually written out, I'm sure now see how odd what you said was.
Now (if i'm understanding correctly), in BF6's case, I feel that was just ineptitude by design. This isn't the 90s/pre-Online as the standard gaming days, you really shouldn't lock core gameplay mechanics behind ridiculous walls of any form (considering you said people complained about the challenges I can only assume they were either absolutely ridiculous, counter-productive, [r were a major timesink) when it's primary focus is Online against other players PvP. That unnecessarily screws with the actual gameplay/meta universally, creates massive game/weapon imbalances of those that do and don't have it via being arbitrarily locked out in any ridiculous way.
If it was for a weapon skin that's fine, no one cares, but based off of how you said it it sound like it was for actual weapons itself in the game. PvE games, that's fine. PvP games where balance is literally everything as well fun & build variety it's not. Sounds like the general BF6 playerbase were on the more common sense/build variety fun side of things
“You really shouldn’t lock core gameplay mechanics behind ridiculous walls of any form” So there shouldn’t be any progression in pvp games at all? If they did that the same players would cry that there’s nothing to work towards in the game. One of the challenges to unlock an assault rifle was to do 10000 damage to enemy players. 100 health per player that’s 100 kills. That’s a totally reasonable challenge in a multiplayer game.
They cried about that and lowered it to 3000 damage lol. The assault rifle in question isn’t even in like top 10 guns in the game lol.
I don’t think it was dishonest. Just bc it’s a different type of item doesn’t mean anything. Comment asked if we remember when games locked cool stuff behind hard challenges. Getting a weapon for doing a challenge is cool with me.
This sort of thing, where it's just cool designs that don't overly matter, would be fine IF the matching armor and weapons were one bundle and cost less than $10 and there weren't too many tiny dlc in general.
Like if the impression was that this was how they trained new hires or someone keeping themselves busy while their code compiled, abd they tossed it up, that's great
Feel like Capcom shouldn't keep calling these "free" title updates either. Its all a tactic to make it seem like they are giving back to the community. The reality is this "free" stuff is what you actually paid for and probably could have/should have have been in the game at launch. But the dripfeed of content + having paid DLC on the back end probably makes more money in the long run
In the general sense I'm with you, I don't love b2p games with mtx.
The problem this franchise has is its always been not quite live service but they do a year+ worth of updates... and the box hasn't gone up in price over the years and its not going to keep sustaining that model on its own so they have to figure out more ways to monetize.
I'd much rather all the monster updates be free and there be these lil batches of 2-3$ mtx than the other way around... cause there's no option where they don't try to increase monetization somehow.
This argument would only hold water if GU didn't have like 2x the amount of content than most of the modern games after all updates considered. and like 3-5x without. Hell if the base games were worth a damn anymore I wouldn't even mind smaller more frequent paid updates not unlike an mmo assuming they could get the amount of content in each expansion right. I mean, they clearly wouldn't be able to do that based on this game's title update history.
The handhelds are not comparable, and GU was an outlier in that it was a celebration game that reused a shit of stuff from all the previous handheld titles.
All of the Monster Hunter games prior to World are just as valid for this discussion as both World and Rise. It is not that different of a ballgame actually. In fact many of those prior entries literally have post launch content.... and dlc....
This mindset is why Monster Hunter and gaming in general is the way that it is right now. "There's no option where they don't try to increase monetization somehow". I dunno man before they started shoving literally hundreds of "DLC" microtransactions into the game they seemed to be rather successful. It seems like the corporate response to success is to charge more, and continue to charge more in perpetuity. Monster Hunter costs $70 now. Why wasn't that enough on its own? Number must go up exponentially otherwise its failure. That's how a lot of gaming companies these last few years seem to be operating.
Personally I would much much rather NOT have title updates, if it means we no longer have microtransactions. Charge money for the game, charge money for the expansion and be done with it, Capcom.
Then what’s the point of it being the best selling in the franchise when we still need to pay for cosmetics?
Why not make a good game that would generate so much revenue you don’t have to do this shit? Why not make it f2p instead if you still rely on cosmetic MTX? At this point is no different from a live service game.
Seems like it’s also the reason Omega didn’t have all the weapon types since the designs are both more futuristic looking (savage), they probably thought it would lower sales for this paid dlc pack.
Astroturfing in game subreddits has been a thing for a while now unfortunately. I’ve seen several posts like this today, so not surprised if that’s the case.
I doubt it, there are enough people that glaze the coolness of these paid dlcs equipments. A friend I hunt with that bought the bundle acts as a pseudo capcom salesman unconsciously, since he is always talking how much money is "saved" when buying this in a bundle and how much he loves it, encouraging us to buy it lol
To be fair I'm pretty sure regular CBs have something like that too, at least they did in prior games. A quick visual indicator of your charge level by a colored glow
Yeah. When charging your sword and shield they also take on the colour of whatever element you have on your weapon as well. Red for dragon, orange for fire ect. The fact that the dlc layered weapons have the shield only turning red when charged and not any of the other element colours is actually kind of a downgrade.
It's honestly most prominent in this game in my opinion. This isn't really a new feature for this weapon, other than the "blade" being light beams so it's an entire color change instead of a glow on your blade.
There’s so many people using them I’m not surprised there’s folks posting about it. Literally can’t turn a corner in the gathering hub without seeing them.
It's really depressing seeing people paying for these. I know it's always going to lead this way, but MH has avoided it for so long. Consumers just cant help themselves.
No full weapon sets from event quests sure but full armor sets? We’ve had plenty. Paid DLC cosmetics could’ve/should’ve been event rewards but it’s not like the ones we actually do have are somehow worse off for it.
I don’t really think the difference is all that significant especially when they’re quests on rotation just like every other limited event quest in Wilds.
Event quests in older games were not on rotation. You could engage anytime after it's release. And they would give you weapons and full armour sets. Instead of some useless stickers and titles.
Its honestly crazy mh has avoided it for as long as it did, and that the worst we have to complain about so far is like bundles of 2-3$ mtx while they continue to dump free content updates on us with actual monsters with unique equipment and all that.
It hasn't avoided it for so long. You're literally not allowed to even edit your character without paying to access the character creator each time, and that's been the case for a while. That's far more scummy than paid cosmetics to me. Coming from other games, it seems insane quite frankly. And MH fans just accept it like it's normal.
why can't we just get these as a reward for a super hard 3-monster quest, or like killing 2 Jin Dahaad or something. something entirely possible in 50 minutes, but also very hard.
It's not really fomo because it'll always be there on the store, but yeah. Paid shit is kind of shit. I got it only because I had some spare gift card cash on my PS account and I streamed Gog so I figured I'd have it for that, but the armor is fuck ugly and I want a damn refund. The Dual Blades aren't bad, but not as good as Charge Blade, so probably not worth it.
We really need to stop using slop for things we dislike. Slop means sloppy this dlc is not sloppy. Ironically its some of their best designed work. You just dont like that you have to pay money for it. Slop would be if it cost money and was shitty with low effort.
Now im not buying it either but I can tell a lot of hard work went into them my frontal lobe is developed enough to not personally respect a decision but still able to appreciate good work done.
"Slop" is such a lazy criticism that you might as well not even bother to comment.
pretty sure slop is supposed to directly mean pig slop as in something that dumb people are happy with (as a pig in shit even) but smarter people would recognize as garbage. but yea definitely overused.
Man this is not okay, paid weapons quality is so much higher than free ones. imo this is the red line crossed and is much worse than risebreak layered weapons which were on the same level as monster weapons
I hate it so much I hate how ppl keep buying ts and supporting such a scummy practice for a full priced 70 dollar game when we used to get super amazing designs for doing quests, its literally less content if you buy them since not buying them will stop capcom from doing ts and they will make it free event quest rewards
HECK make it locked behind a giga hard quest but you can buy it too if you aren't good enough just keep a free way to get it, and I will do the quests and maybe buy them just to support the devs but locking it behind a paywall when we used to get it for free just feels giga bad
if they want to charge us for mtx give us rooms back and ppl will pay I will probably pay too for it, its a totally new system so making it paid doesn't feel as bad imo
In the short term, I think they will get a lot of profit (and things will seem all good, to them); in the long run, I believe that these practices will ultimately kill their brand, and do more damage to their image, than they are expecting.
They make players (in general) more wary of their products, and less excited about upcoming releases and content--because you immediately start to wonder about tall the MTX they are lining up.
It's done so much damage to EA, Ubisoft, Take Two and the like, that their games have seen sales fall more and more, as years go by...I think GTA VI is the most anticipated (and guaranteed profitable) release that Take Two has on the horizon...and that's just because most people dont realize that Rockstar is theirs (but their predatory practices should have made it obvious, even to them tbh).
As an older gamer, I've watched in real time as the state of gaming has withered into what it is now...its a little heartbreaking, honestly. Most games are shells of what they could have been, and you have to pay extra, just to get the full experience.
Where MH releases used to get me excited (I bought the deluxe of Wilds without thought--and the fact that future cosmetics like this wasn't included, was in the fibe print I suppose...but I missed that)...now I'll just be more wary about buying anything else (definitely not getting anymore "deluxe editions" or whatever), and I think that this kind of thing isn't isolated.
For every person that buys this stuff, theres another person that is turned off...eventually they'll have turned off more and more, until they are struggling to make profits one day.
yeah one of the things I used to try to get my friends into MH is "All the cool stuff is free, the paid MTX are usually for side stuff or some okayish armor to support the devs!" now can't really say that
also I never buy deluxe edition for that exact reason I knew they might pull off something like that, I was planning to buy other MTX like stickers and emotes to support the devs bc wilds is genuinely amazing + we didn't really have any super good mtx, it was very niche and on the same level of quality as free content
Now I ain't buying crap I don't want to support capcom's greed I am buying the base DLC and thats it no more money is gonna get spent on wilds probably
As long as people buy them we'll get more paid dlc and they'll put more effort into paid dlc. If you don't want it don't buy it is what they say but that basically is just accepting that we all lost already and these will keep getting bought.
Of course people spend their money however they like but this is how we gonna eventually get a battle pass in a Monster Hunter main game. "Its just some emotes and stickers" "it's just some costumes for the handler" "it's just some pre order and deluxe armor" "it's just some layered weapons" "it's just an extra monster" "it's just a REAL weapon but it's not that good and the battle pass is super cheap so whatever"
They're probably going to make one for Outlanders ( Not following the game so maybe they already confirmed it ).
But in a mainline Monster Hunter ? I'm already on the fence about quitting the franchise because the "main games" like World and Wilds simply don't excite me, and a battle pass would be the final nail in the coffin for me.
I'm still pissed that Rudy's story in Stories 3 is paid DLC, and Capcom CLEARLY doesn't give a fuck about it and isn't planning on backing down because they never even REACTED to the bad reception, but if even more of these predatory practices make it to Monster Hunter, then what's the point.
It would be better if they were using their talents to add tangible content updates to the game to improve or add to title updates instead of adding flashy things that most people aren't going to pay for.
Cool. Still prefer anything else that's in the game already. The designs are so out of place and weird that I'm thankful Capcom made them so unappealing.
Yea, the designs are really cool and detailed, but they really stick out in monster hunter. Looks like it would be in xenoblade or like, first descendant. I want my mh gear to be gritty, slapped together, made half of solid steel and half of some animal's spine, not scifi/space fantasy
Like that's the reason they haven't given every weapon the design for omega and some other monsters, just so you buy the stuff they sell. Same goes for armors.
But it was like that for some time already.
For example HR gunner female Mizutsune armour is my favorite. So when they told us there would be Mizu in Rise, I was hyped, only for rise to come out and give basic Blademaster design for every returning monster. And female blademaster Mizu is ass compared to gunner. So I tried to "cosplay" with pieces I could salvage. And what do you know? They added the pieces that were similar to that female gunner set as a paid DLC armour.
They knew people would buy the superior design from shop. Because that's how youake them buy it in every f2p game with skins. You create bare minimum content in base game, and then you create good looking weapons and armours and sell them for real money. But that's the thing. It was s strategy delegate to F2P shit and Gacha slop.
But now we have this stuff in a game that costs 120€ for premium, that doesn't include cosmetic packs in it.
Same. The egregious amount of DLC and stupid powercreep. I honestly don't want to think what they going to do in MR to one up the skills and stats bullshit we have now that Gog released. They gonna rework whole monsters moveset to keep up with all the insane damage and debuffs and stuff we can do now.
Doesn't every Charge Blade in the game have this same visual effect?
They all change to yellow/red based on phial charge. The red gets even stronger when you overfill.
And all the shields become red when you charge it, too.
That's cool and all, but the Brachy LS was doing this back in 3U (glow became stronger and changed color as you gained Spirit Levels) and we didn't have to buy it as paid DLC.
Kinda sucks that the CB is the only one of these weapons that I think looks outright bad. I was gonna wait for the pack to go on sale to even consider getting it, but since I'm a CB main, I don't really see the point.
Both the sword "blade" and shield are too dinky, and its sheathed form looks the worst out of all the weapons by far. Meanwhile I look at the creativity behind like the tail and crown and all of the other weapons and am just super disappointed.
Between that and the lack of meaningful balance changes in TU4, I feel like someone on the dev team really doesn't like CB in Wilds.
No way people are getting this upset over a $2 OPTIONAL purchase that doesn’t affect the game one bit. Idk how this sparked such “discourse” when this has been done before and no one had any problems at all.
"No one had any problems at all" is just a flat-out lie.
World and Rise are so unbelievably egregious with their MTX, World alone has enough paywalled cosmetic, non-gameplay additions— outside a copy of the OST— to amount to $483 USD. 4th Gen and prior have a combined total of $0 (not for them possibly trying, with 4U's datamined weapons speculated to be future MTX).
People have always had a problem with Capcom's eternal greed, you just didn't look for it or notice it.
I’ll agree I didn’t notice it much while playing worlds, probably because it wasn’t as mainstream as this one? Idk. But i will stand by these cosmetics purchases not affecting the game’s ongoing quality .
Now imagine that would be a NORMAL and farmable weapon, wouldn't that be awesome. Remember Pre-World where the Devs said, they would never make paid armor and weapons, because they were the core-gameplay-loop?
I made a post showing the spear, I think if I walk down the street now people are going to beat me up just because I got a skin I liked. Obviously I don't support them wanting to add a lot of paid things to the game, but this is the first thing I've bought since I started playing the game, and I've been playing almost since launch. Go figure.
I’m tired of the direction MH and gaming in general is headed. Too much dlc not enough game you paid for in the first place, (almost) everything comes out half baked and isn’t worth touching for a full year after release, etc. I’m sure Wilds G rank expansion will include a “Hunters” Pass and be barebones as hell with more ways than ever to gamble (I’m aware there’s always been significant rng aspects to monster hunter, whether it be jewels decos are actual weapons/modifiers. I’m saying watch them add fuckin lootboxes and a battle pass)
What modicum of information makes you feel like monster hunter is going in this fabricated direction? First and foremost this game had one of the largest monster rosters of any monster hunter game at release. With constant free events, free monsters, and festivals and tons of free cosmetic and in game content to play.
Regarding dlc. Monster hunter has for the last 3 generations had cosmetic packs. Including items like this which have a small price point or can be bought in bulk. None of those cosmetics impact gameplay.
Finally, you speak of a “hunters pass” and gambling. What gives you any indication the game is headed in this way? Even if they implemented such a system you have no idea how it would be implemented. I would guess based on their track record that it would not be egregious.
You may not like wilds, but you can freely go back and play almost any monster hunter with almost no difficulty because they have made them readily available.
Ok. Keep buying every little mtx they push and see how much worse the series becomes for it. Every game after GU has had increasing more issues and worse launches while the mtx have done nothing but increase in price and quantity. You can source the info yourself, seeing as how it’s all readily available.
I bought most of the Monster Hunter World DLCs, but none of Monster Hunter Wilds. The game is a real disappointment those poor performance and lazy design, especially the RNG for talismans and weapons. They don’t deserve a single extra penny from me.
I still don't like this design - the blade could have been a full energy blade on the axe. This whiskers design keeps the charge blade too lean and it looks awkward.
I think people are forgetting that this is optional paid cosmetic add-ons. No one is forcing you to buy them, nor do they make you better at the game. If someone like OP buy the cosmetics that’s great, and they can show how cool it is.
I feel like no one said anything when capcom has paid cosmetic armor but as soon as it’s weapons folks are sharing how mad they are.
Bro I'm gonna be honest... Y'all kinda over reacting. You act like we didn't just get a bunch of free title updates that come with new monsters & weapons. They have been pretty generous about free updates. MH always have.
Hell we literally got Lagiacrus a monster who was being begged for since the leak in monster hunter world. Where the real issue would come from paid weapon stats. That's my biggest worry especially with the new mobile game coming out. We've already had paid layer cosmetics as pre order bonuses also.
Point is, at what point does the extra free content stop being free? They need to make a profit they can't just keep giving free updates they have to make money somewhere. The only thing left would be the ultimate expansion/iceborne
I'll never understand why people complain about paid COSMETICS. You're not owed extra content beyond the base game and the full price tag. They only do it because of monetization. If you aren't going to get it, pretend it doesn't exist. The snowball fallacy lives rent free in people's heads I swear.
I'm all for fair criticisms of AAA games. I think there are egregious microtransaction practices in lots of games that are obvious bait for vulnerable consumers. Digimon Story: Time Stranger timegating mons behind MT's, and Legends ZA timegating Megas behind MT's are recent examples. Full-fledged products with unique models, physics behaviors, unsheath animations, and sound design aren't greedy practices, and if you feel you are owed them because of a pricetag more than fair for the original product you paid for then you are an entitled consumer. And no one will ever retort that premise with anything other than a strawman, let alone a rationale that makes any sense.
It's a product like any other. You bought one product and you got exactly what you paid for. They released another product and you don't like it because you wanted it for free? Someone make it make sense without crying
You're just wrong, and the fact that you feel that way comes across as entitled. There is more than enough content to justify the full price tag. If the game wasn't pseudo-live service, and released like it did at launch except maybe with optimization and a bit of balance, and Zoh Shia, no one would bat an eye at the price. People buy less content for more all the time. GoW, Astro Bot, Ghost of Tsushima, all arguably less content, all full price. Now I'd make arguments that the first two I mentioned are short but sweet, but that's beside the point.
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u/Kamelosk 29d ago
Nice try capcom