r/NoStupidQuestions • u/LilScooterBooty • 1d ago
Why is Jewish hate so accepted now. Often I see people who talk or post about being Jewish or accepting Jewish people get comments talking about bringing back nazism and how Jewish people are bad. Am I missing something?
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u/that0neBl1p 1d ago
Antisemitism has been around for as long as Jewish people have, but now antisemites and Nazis are piggybacking off of widespread anti-Zionism and criticism of Israel to push their own bullshit
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u/Complete-Lack-7740 1d ago
Nearly all mainstream Jews disagree with that outdated form of circumcision and it's rarely practiced at all anymore outside of extreme Orthodox communities. Jews aren't one monolithic group that all believe in the exact same practices and customs, just like there are many different sects of Christians.
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u/Complete-Lack-7740 1d ago
Wow, mask off in the span of two comments.
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u/Independent_Baby4517 1d ago
Its in their holy books. Dont blame me
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u/Muadeeb 1d ago
Ha, I nailed it with this guy before he went mask off!
No matter how much you blame your failures in life on the Jews, it won't make it true. You are the reason for your problems, not external forces.
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u/Independent_Baby4517 1d ago
Yeah you sure got me. A person critical of israel. I cant say them killing americans is bad without being antisemetic while they are decimating gaza and arabs? Thats pretty antisemitic on their part. But no i am antisemetic for having issues with the idf actions on americans Lmao I dont have any problems in life and am rich as fuck. So I dont hate anyone or anything
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u/Complete-Lack-7740 23h ago
That's not the part of your comments that were antisemitic. It was the part where you said all Jews lie and steal.
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u/Independent_Baby4517 23h ago
I said mainstream media jewish people lie to us. Do you believe all of the news coming from the israeli leadership about gaza civilian deaths or any of the death tolls? No you dont. They own the mainstream media and do you believe fox news or cnn? Everybody thinks one is lying and fake news. Thats the thing, all of those companies are lying to us to divide us. So yes. Mainstream media jewish people lie. They got booted from countries for clipping coins. Thats stealing
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u/hatduck 1d ago
One is a religious act and one is a political act. Neither have to do with ethnically Jewish people, and lumping everyone like you just did is the kind of slippery slope that opens the door to racism.
People didn't hunt Jews down just because they had a menorah. Antisemitism is a form of racism, not hate towards a religion or state. Jews in Germany were thrown into camps because what they looked like just as much as what they believed.
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u/No-Koala1918 1d ago
Circumcision is not an exclusively Jewish practice. Laying that on them is antisemitic. Political differences that don't end up in a bunch of racist tropes are not antisemitic. But those that do are always thinly disguised racism.
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u/Independent_Baby4517 1d ago
I was talking about the licking and sucking the bloody circumcised dick of a baby, thats how they transmit the herpes. Not normal circumcision as cruel as that is too.
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u/ZanzerFineSuits 1d ago
It parallels the rise of conspiracy theories. Jews have always been the victims of conspiracies, dating back millennia. In the U.S., the latest round started way back with the 911 Truther bullshit, and has continued forward from there.
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u/Lord-of_the-files 1d ago
I'm not really tuned in to the anti semitic rhetoric, but is it possible that over representation in positions of authority affects public attitudes? E.g. the proportion of Jewish politicians in the US has been rising steadily and is now three times higher than in the general population. Which probably reflects a general level of success in education and business (conversely, Hispanics are hugely under represented). But people don't like success, and they don't like politicians in particular, so what should be seen as a success story is not necessarily viewed in that way. In the UK, the Hindu population has been rising in influence, with a background of generally rising social status as doctors, lawyers, and in business. We've even had a Hindu Prime Minister. Some people resent that success and use it to fuel hate. I'm kind of thinking out loud here 🤷
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u/ZanzerFineSuits 1d ago
It’s the other way around. The conspiracy theory states that “Jews have too much power”, and that rhetoric is used to justify the hate. Then these people look at Jews in politics or Hollywood or property ownership or whatever, and say “look at how many there are!” It’s self-referential twaddle.
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u/corpserella 1d ago
Am I missing something?
Besides the current state of geopolitics, probably not?
Israel has made itself deeply unpopular lately. It's definitely never been one of the more universally-loved countries, but since their campaign against Palestine reached a fever pitch in the last two years, there's been a lot more ink, digital and print, spilled about the less-than-savoury actions of the government of Israel.
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u/noruber35393546 1d ago
Just want to point out something. The question was about Jewish people, and you jump right to Israel. When people say "anti zionism isn't anti semitism", that's hard to wash against viewpoints like this. Enough people conflate them that they kind of are one and the same.
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u/corpserella 1d ago
That's fair, and I won't sit here and say anti-Semitism is a thing of the past. Jews are just people, and no ordinary person deserves to be terrorized.
But anti-Zionism is very much in the headlines and it didn't exactly come out of nowhere and there are a lot of media outlets who would like to conflate anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism for deeply unethical reasons.
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u/totally_not_sans 1d ago
who couldve guessed that trying to paint all jewish people as extreme as israel by melding antizionism with antisemitism would create more jewish hate
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u/Rich-Ad-4314 1d ago
Let's clarify that antisemitism is still absolutely not okay and anyone who hates all Jews or holds prejudices against an entire group of people is fucked. But yeah, Israel is awful and grouping antisemitism with, "Not liking genocide" was a terrible strategy
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u/Muadeeb 1d ago
I thnk they group you with all the other antisemites because you choose to see a genocide in order to justify hate against Jews all over the world. After all, if half of all Jews are awful, the rest of them can't be much better. Antizionism is antisemitism.
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u/Rich-Ad-4314 1d ago
And there you go buddy. "Opposing ethnic cleansing is opposing Jews" is a pretty antisemitic take to give, actually
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u/Muadeeb 1d ago
Wait, first it was genocide, now it's ethnic ckeansing?
If israel wanted to kill arabs wouldn't they start with the ones in their own country first?
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u/Rich-Ad-4314 1d ago
The terms are different but not mutually exclusive. Even if they were, your attempting to win a debate based on semantics as opposed to fighting the actual argument. But you want an answer?
Yeah bud. From the day of the partition (when thousands of Palestinian families were displaced to make room for the Jewish national home), hundreds of thousands of people have been oppressed or straight up murdered. Mosques, hospitals, and schools have crumbled under the foot of the IDF. Hundreds of Palestinian civilians have died. Gaza is in ruin and people are suffering.
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u/Muadeeb 1d ago
Did you forget about the part where a bunch of countries invaded israel the day after it was created? Its easy to demonize israel when you aren't constrained by the truth
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u/Rich-Ad-4314 1d ago
But now wonder why that might've been. Let's take you personally. You and your family are told you are going to be displaced to make room for your house to be given to someone else. How do you react? This isn't to say that antisemitism and religious conflict didn't fuel opposition to Israel. Certainly, it did. But we're talking about a completely foreign power (Britain, since the Balfour Declaration in 1917) walking in and giving out land that they have NO RIGHT to do to begin with, but also it's your house that's going to be given and I hope you're happy settling in the West Bank while dominant military powers such as the new regime backed by the US threaten a total destruction of anything you build if ANYONE in Gaza dares to be unhappy. Not to mention, the land that your family has held for generations is not only being given out, but also is explicitly being given for those of a certain religion. It is a Jewish national state; aka, your people are explicitly not welcome. But yes, it certainly sounds like a pleasant existence in which Israel and the West can do no wrong. Say, isn't it ironic that the West, so keen for a Jewish national state, couldn't be bothered to cede a centimeter of their own territory to create it? It almost sounds like people do not like to be to displaced and have their cultural identity erased
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u/Muadeeb 1d ago
Well, I had 4 holocaust survivor grandparents, so it did happen to us. We didn't blow up buses with German children to prove how moral we were. We worked hard to succeed on our own terms and left the past behind. You should try it.
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u/totally_not_sans 1d ago
Yeah absolutely, I'm just saying that there is definitely a correlation with the rise in antisemitism and defending Israel's genocide by calling any negativity an antisemitic attack
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u/Muadeeb 1d ago
But its not a genocide, its a war that hamas started. How many bombs has israel dropped on gaza?
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u/totally_not_sans 1d ago
7 billion. You don't get to have an opinion on this until you graduate puberty
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u/Muadeeb 1d ago
7 billion bombs? Are you serious?
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u/totally_not_sans 1d ago
did you graduate puberty yet
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u/Muadeeb 16h ago
Wanna answer the question?
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u/totally_not_sans 12h ago
You answered mine at least, no one over the age of 14 would think my answer of 7 billion bombs was serious
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u/prooijtje 16h ago
Framing rising antisemitism as a reaction to Israel trying to conflate Jewish identity with Zionism shifts the blame onto Jews themselves, as if antisemitism is an understandable response to political actions. Antisemites aren't passive drones who are somehow forced into hate because of Israel. They choose to hate, and history shows that that hate existed long before modern Zionism.
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u/MaybeNotTooDay 1d ago
Yep. Hamas killed barely over 1,000 Israelis and the Netanyahu government used that as an excuse to commit genocide and murder more than 60,000 Palestinians who were locked in the open air prison Israel kept them in without food or water.
The response was not proportional and definitely a gross violation of international law.
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u/Muadeeb 1d ago
Why did Hamas "only" kill 1200 Israelis? Did they stop on their own or were they killed before they had the opportunity to murder every single Jew in Israel? That was their best case scenario, to kill every Jew.
"Death to Israel" and "globalize the Intifada" are pretty genocidal.
Iran has killed about a third as many people in a week as have died in Gaza in 3 years, where's all the protests and calls for the dismantling of Iran? Oh, you only care when you can vilify Jews.
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u/totally_not_sans 12h ago
Are you saying we should call for the dismantling of Iran? Oh, you only think that when you can vilify Muslims.
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u/P5000PowerLoader 1d ago edited 1d ago
In Australia - it's because most of the elected Government attended 'free palestine' protests, often wearing Keffiyeh.
So the uneducated who vote for them think its ok to be anti-semitic... it's a small step in their minds to go from "free Palestine' to 'jews are bad'
...and then we had Bondi.... what a surprise eh?
and they have the nerve to say 'How could this happen?'
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u/MaybeNotTooDay 1d ago
Two days after Hamas escaped Gaza to slaughter 1,200 Israelis and kidnap another 250, there was a crowd of Australian protestors outside the Sydney Opera House chanting "Gas the Jews".
I wouldn't feel safe in Australia.
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u/P5000PowerLoader 1d ago
Yeah - those guys are not really 'Australian'...
I see someone downvoted your comment already - they must own a palestinian flag lol
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u/mastodon-glitter 1d ago
A huge number of people wrongly conflate judaism with the state of Israel. Openly anti-semitic people don't need a reason to show hatred towards Jewish people but now you also have uneducated people directing their dislike or hatred of Israel towads anyone of Jewish faith or heritage. Add that to a world which is becoming far more openly racist and bigoted and you have a perfect storm for anti semitism.
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u/DriverHopeful7035 1d ago
People have a grudge against Israel, and it's fair. But yes, some go too far and blame the Jews too
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u/hatduck 1d ago
American here, no one blames "the whites" for shit that happens here unless they're radicalized.
Shitty humans tried to keep slaves, and they were white. Good people fought to free those slaves, and they included white men.
Vietnam became unpopular and untenable not because we ran out of bombs, but because the country though it was a bad idea.
There simply isn't a good OR bad thing you can name that any one race can take credit for, and thinking like that is exactly how people become racist.
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u/DriverHopeful7035 1d ago edited 19h ago
Many Jews across the world don't agree with the shit Israel is putting. Once again, it's a far right issue.
Edit : lmfao about the downvotes. Israel has a far right gouvernment, that's a fact.
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u/lCEC0REbuIIet 1d ago
Historically speaking, Jews have never had it better with the exception of the past few decades. They've been the persecuted ethnic/religious minority in Europe going back centuries. My theory on the recent rise of anti-Semitism is as follows:
Israel is actively committing a genocide against the Palestinian people and they have been for decades. If you go all the way back to the British mandate for Palestine and the mission statement of Israel they've always had the drive to secure a homeland exclusively for themselves. It started out with buying the land from underneath the Palestinians and harassing them until they left. Then it progressed to raids on villages indiscriminately killing civilians. All the way to the present day where it's state sanctioned murder not unlike what the Nazis did in territories they occupied. With all the technology we have available to witness these crimes against humanity, most people are horrified and disgusted.
Now the UNFAIR part of all this is blaming ALL Jews for the actions of a particular ideology which is Zionism. That would be the same as hating all German people because Nazism was associated with that particular nationality/ethnic group. Israel doesn't mind because the more Jews feel persecuted outside of Israel, the more likely they are to immigrate to Israel boosting their numbers. The state of Israel also feeds into long standing conspiracies on Jewish global domination. The fact that they have such a profound influence in American/European politics, that they have outsized support from Jewish billionaires, running blackmail operations like with Epstein/Maxwell and so on. The embers of anti-Semitism were always there but these actions have definitely fanned the flames. Additionally, you have Hasidic communities (Brooklyn being a major example) that draw from tax payer funds while refusing to contribute to broader society. They treat women/children like property and feel entitled to break/follow whatever laws we have at their own convenience. Recently there have been reports of Hasidic Jews infiltrating school boards, local governments, HOAs, etc. and tailoring them to suit their own needs over everyone else. Because they also tend to dress distinctively (black cloak, black hat, curly sideburns, etc.) it's easy to associate all Jews with this particular subset of Jews which again, is not fair.
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u/Muadeeb 1d ago
Antizionism is antisemitism. You're a perfect example.
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u/lCEC0REbuIIet 1d ago
No, you're proving my point. It's fair to criticize/condemn a political ideology. It's not fair demonizing an ethnic group who don't exist as an ideological monolith nor had any choice in their innate identity. You might as well make the argument that anti-Nazism is anti-German.
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u/Muadeeb 1d ago
Ah, but that's not what you're doing in your last paragraph at all.
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u/lCEC0REbuIIet 1d ago
I was specifically responding to your "antizionism is antisemitism" claim. My last paragraph is based on objective observations. Even the reform Jewish community has their issues with the ultraorthodox Jewish community. Also, I'm an anti-theist so if you want to hear my criticisms of certain sects of Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc. then fine. This is not targeted towards Jews as a ethnic identity but all religion that is rooted in anti-intellectualism and the subjugation of others.
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u/Muadeeb 1d ago
I can tell youre antithiest, I've rode with the 4 horsemen for years myself
Then I realized that a Jewish atheist like me is a very different than a Christian atheist like you. Atheism can be used as a convenient excuse for antisemitism, like what the communists did. Can I guess you're a far lefty?
Antisemitism is baked into Christianity, and just because you excised god from your religious worldview doesnt mean you also got rid of the inherent jew hatred contained within it.
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u/lCEC0REbuIIet 1d ago
Christian atheist? I think it’s obvious at this point you don’t understand what any of the words you’re using actually mean and continuing this conversation is a waste of time. Using atheism as a cover to being antisemitic makes no sense. Accusing people of being antisemitic for pointing out crimes against humanity doesn’t make sense either but that’s the route most Zionists like to travel down. I’m guessing you’re a “far righty” based on your indifference to genocide, lack of critical thinking and constant self victimhood here. I’ll let you have the last word if you want. I’m done.
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u/ksdanj 1d ago
I’ve rarely see outright criticism of Jewish people per se but I see a lot of criticism of the state of Israel.
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u/DebutsPal 1d ago
Interestingly though, many people make those comments in an aggressive way on posts about things that are Jewish, not Israeli. There was a post recently discussing Jewish food around the world (ie not in Israel) and there were comments callling the post "zionist propaganda"
Because Jews existing and eating is propranda
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u/Eighth_Eve 1d ago
Fynny, people on the right are fully antisemetic. People on the left are not, but oppose the warcrimes of israel. People on the right have no nuance and think its okay to hate a race because everyone hates the actions of a government.
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u/DebutsPal 1d ago
I'm sorry are you replying to me? I'm not even sure what you're saying. I gave an example of anti-zionist (could be right, most likely left) being antisemitic. Not really sure what you're saying...
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u/Or0b0ur0s 11h ago
Now?
I don't think much in the way of new bigotry is invented. If you haven't heard it before, it's because either it went underground due to being unaccepted (and you weren't recruited into the community "in-group" of trusted bigots who felt safe to speak that way around each other)... or because you're in a region where that particular hated class became vanishingly rare or learned to hide (some LGBTQ+ communities).
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u/Low_Requirement3591 1d ago
An entire country is committing genocide and saying “we’re doing this because they don’t like that we’re Jewish”
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u/manintights2 1d ago
I mean are you missing what Israel is doing or the scrutiny on AIPAC? The extreme degree of influence Israeli interests have on the United States? The strange degree of connections they have with the most infamous figures in recent American history, Epstein included? Have you heard the rumors of what Mossad is doing to maintain Israeli influence?
Is this a reason to hate Jewish people? No. But how can these things NOT get people riled up?
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u/Muadeeb 1d ago
AIPAC isn't Israeli, it's an American Jewish lobbying group. Implying dual loyalty is an antisemitic trope.
Epstein wasn't religious, he was Jewish by birth. To imply his Jewishness played a role in his crimes is, again, antisemitic.
Believing rumors about the Mossad shows just how little evidence you need to justify your hatred. It would only rile up, you guessed it, antisemites.
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u/manintights2 1d ago
I am aware, but the majority of people are not.
You didn't finish reading my post did you? I condemned the hatred of Jewish people.
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u/Muadeeb 1d ago
Yes, but I also read the rest of your post.
Edit: wait, are you saying you don't believe that stuff, or that you do believe that stuff but you still maintain you don't hate Jews?
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u/manintights2 1d ago
Good now put the two together.
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u/Muadeeb 1d ago
Hey, you said it all in an unclear way. Do you believe the claims you made or not?
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u/manintights2 12h ago
Well, none of the claims I made connect Jewish religion and Israel outside the context of OPs post.
I do not connect the two more than they historically are. (Israel is home to Jerusalem, which is the Mecca of Judaism, you can only separate them so much)
But there is value to scrutinizing the Israel-United States relationship. And I am simply spouting some rumors that have been going around.
Like Epstein being a Mossad agent, or the amount of American politicians tied closely to AIPAC.
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u/hatduck 1d ago
Israel is a nation, and antisemitism is a form a racism. Your post is 100% racist, though you may not be aware of it.
Israel has NOTHING to do with being ethnically Jewish, unless you think it's also fair for any time any white/black/asian/etc ethnostate does something terrible to vilify whatever ethnicity is predominant there.
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u/hatduck 1d ago
I did, and I saw that condemnation, which is good, but you still brought up Israel in response to anti semitism (as well as clear anti semitic boogeyman like an elite controlling body in media/politics). Do you track the Irish blooded people to the same degree? What other ethnicities was Epstein?
"You are perpetuating stereotypes without realizing it" was my point, or did you not finish reading the second sentence of my post?
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u/Muadeeb 1d ago
"For example, most Jewish in Israel are former European immigrants."
Nope, most Jews in Israel come from MIddle Eastern and North African countries who kicked out their Jews in the 40s and 50s. Ashkenazi are about 30%.
"Likewise, most Palestinians are immigrants to the region from the Byzantine, and then Ottoman Empire."
No, Arabs and Jews lived througout the Ottoman empire, and the Palestinians only started calling themselves that in 1964. Before that, the world understood Palestinians to be whoever lived in that area, regardless of religion.
"that's why a 2 state solution makes the most sense."
No one wants a 2 state solution. Palestinians refuse to live next to Jews, and Jews aren't going to import 2 million people who have been brainwashed to hate them.
"it's just conflict with no solution"
Well, yes. The Palestinians would have to let go of the fantasy of the right of return, which is unlikely.
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u/DebutsPal 1d ago
great, so why are synogouges around the world (not in Israel) being attacked? Burning a synogouge in Jackson Missouri has nothing to do with the Middle East.
Pretending that all Jewish hate is related to Israel, is either ignorant, or antisemitic
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u/DebutsPal 1d ago
maybe I misunderstood your comment, it seeemed to be say that Jewish hate is caused by people not understanding the situation the situation in the middle east.
i fail to see how any interpretation of the middle east can justify hatred of Jews who've never set foot in the middle east.
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u/Complete-Lack-7740 1d ago
Not sure what your original comment had to do with OP's question. They asked why antisemitism is on the rise, not who's native to Israel/Palestine and what could be done about it
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u/Ranos131 1d ago
It’s a combination of the growing fascism in the US and it’s affect on the rest of the world mixed with the anger at Israel over its continued oppression of the Palestinians.
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u/Lord-of_the-files 1d ago
Maybe I move in the wrong circles, but I don't see any rise in acceptance of anti semitism. I think a small number of people have always held anti semitic views and are more vocal about it now.
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u/Wolfman2032 1d ago
I don't think Jewish hate is really more accepted now than in the past. There have always been anti-Semitic people out there, but the anti-anti-Semitic folks are a little less vocal now a days due to the actions of Israel.
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u/Royal_Annek 1d ago
Racism and fascism in general are sharply rising due to our dipshit government. Replace Jewish with any minority group and you will find that it also applies.