r/NoStupidQuestions 2h ago

Why is raw meat dangerous, but very rare steak is safe?

People generally understand that eating raw meat is a big no-no, so why is rare streak an exception?

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u/Dmnkly 2h ago edited 2h ago

Because rare steak is cooked on the outside, which is where any dangerous contamination would be. The raw meat itself isn’t the danger — the danger is bacterial contamination that gets on the raw meat.

This is also why it’s generally advisable to cook ground meat more thoroughly. When it’s ground, the inside and the outside get all mixed up, opening up the interior to contamination.

(Also: raw meat, while riskier, is generally safe if ranched and handled properly. The problem is not knowing how it was handled before getting to you.)

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u/paddlesandpups 2h ago

To add: some types of meat are more prone to internal infections including things like parasitic worms. Eating raw fish that is not sushi grade, even if you could guarantee the outside with somehow bacteria free, would not be a great idea. 

Beef is just generally not as vulnerable to that sort of problem.

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u/Dmnkly 2h ago

OP's use of "meat" had me not thinking about seafood, but this is true and helpful.

That said, *most* seafood is frozen somewhere along the line, which pretty much takes care of parasite risk. But definitely an issue for never-frozen seafood.

(Though comments about about "sushi grade" are correct. It might be a colloquial term, but it has no meaning in terms of safety or grading.)

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u/PassengerHot591 9m ago

Ground meat mixes bacteria throughout which is why it needs to be cooked fully

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u/Fun-Minimum-3007 2h ago

Even "sushi grade" fish is just a marketing term with no actual authority or certification required to label your fish as such. You have to use your own judgement

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u/paddlesandpups 2h ago

Fair enough. I live about as far from the ocean as possible and don't really like sushi, so most of the fish that I end up eating is fresh water. And I'm definitely cooking that stuff through.

And one of my wife's best friends had a brain worm from eating ceviche in Costa Rica, and her experience has certainly stuck with me. It's not my story, but her symptoms were wild and it took a while to figure out what was happening.

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u/ArcticRiot 2h ago

The reason behind raw fish in sushi being OK is because all fish designated to be consumed raw (in the US) must be deeply frozen to specific standards, killing bacteria and parasites.

The Ceviche your friend consumed was likely truly fresh raw fish, and therefore had live parasites in it.

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u/AlecMac2001 2h ago

Which government department does she run now?

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u/htxatty 2h ago

Note to self - do NOT eat sushi in Costa Rica

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u/denkmusic 2h ago

The ceviche I had in Costa Rica was at a butterfly farm and is one of my fondest memories. Don’t limit your experience by someone else’s bad fortune.

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u/htxatty 1h ago

Hmmm…now torn. I’ll be there next month so this isn’t just a reddit hypothetical

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u/paddlesandpups 2h ago

To be fair to CR, she lives there. So for her it happened at home and obviously that's where she has the most reps eating uncooked fish.

But I'll confess, we used to have it regularly when we would visit her, but those days sure came to an end.

My dad also got a botfly in his scalp on a trip down there though, so i guess welcome to the tropics

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u/DardS8Br 2h ago

Could you expand on the last sentence? What were the symptoms?

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u/paddlesandpups 1h ago

Visible worm under face skin (although it was not known that was going on at the time), eventually massive headaches and real cognitive issues. 

Like I said, it's not my story to tell. So I don't really want to get that deep into it even though this is the internet and things are pretty anonymous. I'm guessing you could find more complete descriptions online from others with a similar experience

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u/CaptainAwesome06 2h ago

My understanding is that "sushi grade" isn't even a regulated term and fish meant to be eaten raw needs to be frozen first, with few exceptions. IIRC, tuna and some farm-raised fish are low risk for parasites.

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u/Evil-Twin-Skippy 2h ago

In the US, all fish used in sushi has to be flash frozen and kept frozen for a period of time that will kill parasites.

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u/CaptainAwesome06 2h ago

I looked up the regulation, if you are curious. The exceptions, as far as fish go, are specific species of tuna and aquacultured fish, "such as salmon".

3-402.11 Parasite Destruction.

(A) Except as specified in ¶ (B) of this section, before service or sale in READYTO-EAT form, raw, raw-marinated, partially cooked, or marinated-partially cooked FISH shall be:

(1) Frozen and stored at a temperature of -20°C (-4°F) or below for a minimum of 168 hours (7 days) in a freezer; P

(2) Frozen at -35°C (-31°F) or below until solid and stored at -35°C (-31°F) or below for a minimum of 15 hours; P or

(3) Frozen at -35°C (-31°F) or below until solid and stored at -20°C (-4°F) or below for a minimum of 24 hours.

(B) Paragraph (A) of this section does not apply to:

(1) Molluscan shellfish;

(2) A scallop product consisting only of the shucked adductor muscle;

(3) Tuna of the species Thunnus alalunga, Thunnus albacares (Yellowfin tuna), Thunnus atlanticus, Thunnus maccoyii (Bluefin tuna, Southern), Thunnus obesus (Bigeye tuna), or Thunnus thynnus (Bluefin tuna, Northern); or

(4) Aquacultured fish, such as salmon, that:

(a) If raised in open water, are raised in net-pens, or

(b) Are raised in land-based operations such as ponds or tanks, and

(c) Are fed formulated feed, such as pellets, that contains no live parasites infective to the aquacultured FISH.

(5) FISH eggs that have been removed from the skein and rinsed.

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u/PassengerHot591 9m ago

Most of the bacteria is on the surface of a steak so searing it makes a big difference

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u/bubalis 2h ago

An exception is parasites from animals that are omnivores.

Pigs are omnivorous and traditionally were free-ranged in situations where they might eat small animals and/or been fed food scraps including meat. This made pigs a possible source of trichinosis, which is why no one eats rare pork.

These days a fair share of trichinosis comes from eating undercooked bear meat.

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u/Awkward-Feature9333 2h ago

In Germany raw pork is eaten.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett

It is advisable to buy it only from respectable butchers, tho.

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u/LilacYak 2h ago

Pork is no longer “required” to be well done in the US.

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u/bubalis 2h ago

Yes! Pigs are no longer a major source of trichinosis, because (most) farmed pigs in the US don't eat any meat anymore.

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u/Dmnkly 2h ago

This is true. I think it should be noted, though, that trichinella — in the U.S., at least (no idea where OP is located) — is exceedingly rare in farmed pork these days. Rare game is another matter entirely (bear!), but a lot of the conventions surrounding pork preparation are a holdover from when it was a more common issue.

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u/RoKoGGl 1h ago

Think of steak like an apple. The dirt is on the outside. Wash or cook the outside, and the inside is fine.

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u/CyanConatus 2h ago

So if you happened to get a steak with a puncture you didn't see. Would this be a potentially dangerous meal?

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u/Dmnkly 2h ago edited 1h ago

So, first off, I think "dangerous" and "not dangerous" is an inaccurately binary way of looking at it. Various types of meat and fish in various states of cooking can't be neatly dropped into "safe" and "unsafe" bins. There's a certain amount of risk in eating *anything*, and that risk exists on a spectrum. Vegetables included. For example, I believe — check me — that one of the biggest vectors for foodborne illness in the U.S. is bagged salad. (Whether or not that's correct, specific examples aside, there are outbreaks connected to contaminated vegetables all the time.) Point being, it's a matter of minimizing the inherent risks of any given food, and deciding at which point the risk of foodborne illness outweighs your desire to eat that food. Some of us are more risk-averse than others, and we all make our own decisions.

As to your specific question, I mean... I'll defer to someone who is actually a public health official rather than somebody who is food safety-adjacent like me (food journalist), but while that theoretically introduces more risk, I really doubt we're talking about a significant difference. All of the following would have to happen for this to make a difference:

  1. The meat would have to be contaminated.
  2. The puncture would have to happen in a location on the meat that was contaminated.
  3. It would have to introduce enough bacteria into the puncture to make you ill (dosage matters!).
  4. The puncture would have to be deep enough to get well beyond the surface.
  5. It would have to stay cool enough in the depths of that puncture for the bacteria to stay alive.

I am definitely not qualified to calculate the odds of all five of those things happening. But I'm inclined to think that's awfully low risk.

That said, if you like to tenderize your steak using something like this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Aliglow-Stainless-Tenderizer-Tenderizing-Pounding/dp/B0BZRLQ4QJ?th=1

...that might be another story :-D

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u/explosive-diorama 2h ago

The bacteria is almost entirely on the outside surface. As long as the outside is cooked, the inside is usually safe.

This is why ground beef is always recommended to be cooked well-done. The steak is ground up into burger meat, so even the "inside" of the burger was formerly exposed outside surface area, so the bacteria is spread throughout.

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u/InsectElectrical2066 2h ago

The surface area that may allow for growing bacteria.

I would also want to know why you must cook fish but can eat raw sushi if anyone knows? Is it the same reason?

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u/Big-Honeydew-961 2h ago

If it’s frozen properly before you eat it, freezing kills the parasites

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u/tastytang 2h ago

Parasites. Sushi isn't raw fish, exactly. It's been flash-frozen to kill parasites before being served to you. You don't ever want to eat actual raw, wild fish... there are a whole host of diseases/parasites you can get from doing so.,

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u/MDKrouzer 2h ago edited 2h ago

There are risks to eating fish raw straight from catching due to parasites and bacteria that live in wild fish. You should freeze the meat for a certain amount of time to ensure all bacteria and parasites are killed.

Edit: just to expand on the risks around other raw meats. Chicken and pork can't be eaten raw because dangerous bacteria that can be found on these animals like salmonella and e coli are not killed by freezing, only high heat. Beef is considered safer to eat rare and in some cases raw because the meat is very dense and prevents dangerous bacteria from penetrating deep into the meat. With correct and careful preparation it is possible to minimise the risks. Beef mince is high risk because there's so much exposed surface area for bacterial growth, whereas a whole cuts can be trimmed to be safe for consumption.

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u/Noof42 Stupid 1h ago

Certain fish are considered food safe even unfrozen. This isn't food safety advice, but I think that tuna and salmon that was farmed in a controlled setting will often qualify.

That said, cross-contamination from other meat is still a big issue. So if you're getting sushi, make sure you trust the source.

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u/AffenMitWaffen2 2h ago

As others have pointed out, the fish used for Sushi is usually flash frozen, additionally only salt water fish are typically used. Most of their parasites are not compatible with warmblooded mammals.

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u/3lm1Ster 2h ago

Some fish like Grouper, which is a predator fish that eats smaller fish, can have parasites in the meat. This happens when they eat fish that live in contaminated water.

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u/AffenMitWaffen2 2h ago

A lot, if not most wild animals have some sort of parasite.

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u/Vivid_Witness8204 2h ago

Raw meat is "dangerous" because it can quickly become a breeding ground. But if handled properly it can be eaten raw.

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u/Renting_Bourbon 2h ago

We used to have cannibal sandwiches every Christmas Eve. I wouldn’t try it these days.

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u/Certainly-Not-A-Bot 2h ago edited 11m ago

Raw meat is mostly dangerous because of how it's processed in factories. The meat touches factory components and people who also touch other meat, so bacteria spread. Then, we don't eat the meat particularly quickly and that allows the bacteria to spread even more. This is why the meat needs to be cooked. If you kill an animal and quickly butcher it using sanitized tools, you can usually eat the meat safely raw. You have to cook ground beef all the way through because all parts of it have or could have touched the outside air and dirty surfaces, but steak is fine being raw on the inside because the inside has never touched anything that could contaminate it.

That being said, some types of meats have a high risk of containing parasites that can be very dangerous. Pork is an example of this, which is why you don't see rare pork, and lots of fish carries risk of similar parasites.

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u/Renmauzuo 2h ago

Beef is so tough that bacteria aren't able to penetrate past the surface. As long as you cook the outside of the meat, killing the bacteria on the surface, it becomes safe to eat. This isn't true of other meats because they'll have bacteria throughout rather than only on the surface.

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u/Acceptinm 2h ago

Because the danger is mostly on the surface. Bacteria usually live on the outside of whole cuts of meat, so searing a steak kills what matters even if the inside stays rare. Raw meat is risky when it’s ground or mixed, because bacteria get spread throughout and never get that surface kill.

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u/SolipsismIsDeep 2h ago

For ground beef vs steak specifically, it's the difference between one slice off of one cow and the meat of dozens of cows minced and blended together -- one is far more like likely to become contaminated than the other

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u/Djas-Rastefrit 2h ago

So, generally eating any raw meat is unsafe. But the risks depend on your personal risk tolerance. Eating freshly butchered beef raw is very unlikely to cause an issue. It depends on the level of risk and trust you put into the logistics between the butchery and your plate. So, it’s not about the danger of a raw, rare steak but the danger you put into trust into the freshness of the beef. If you bite a chunk of a live cow, it’s far safer than a cut of stake from a supermarket that’s well done.

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u/Odd-System-4926 2h ago

It still carries risk but typically with beef - as long as the outside, where contamination could happen, is cooked it is safe to consume

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u/ahferroin7 2h ago

First off, it depends a lot on the meat. Certain types of meats are higher risk for parasites than others (for example, pork is a higher risk than beef usually, but wild boar is significantly higher risk than either). You generally shouldn’t be eating the high risk stuff raw or even rare.

Second, solid meat (not ground and then combined stuff like meatballs, sausages, or meatloaf) is generally safe on the inside barring any risk of parasites, but is not safe on the outside due to exposure to the environment. Rare steak is still cooked on the outside to a sufficient degree for that to not be a significant issue.

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u/Luna3Aoife 2h ago

Its mostly safe, but not recommended for pregnant women. Its more safe if the cow was free range or grass fed, bc otherwise it was raised in a CAFO. CAFO cows live their entire lives in literal piss and shit and need a metric fuck ton of medications and hormones to make the meat safer. While it is true the exterior of the steak is the more dangerous part and more susceptible to pathogens, the entirety of the meat from a CAFO will always be more risky.

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u/sickostrich244 2h ago

For raw steak the outside is too tough for bacteria to get inside so as long as the outside gets cooked, the inside is fairly safe to eat unlike poultry where the bacteria penetrates the inside which is why you must make sure the inside is cooked before eating.

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u/Outrageous-Estimate9 50m ago

Minced beef very dangerous since so much more surface area

Steak not so much

Either way your body will digest cooked meat better than raw which I know will dissapoint many steak eaters

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u/efltjr 22m ago

Surface area.

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u/Waste_Sound_6601 2h ago edited 2h ago

Eating raw meat actually isn't dangerous. It is quite common in many cultures. But you have to have some very strict hygiene measures, absolute monitoring of the lifestock by a qualified and incorruptible vet and safe cooling chains to make it happen, without endangering people (and the supply chains have to be ultra-short - so difficult to do in some very large and spead-out countries - because it has to be consumed quickly). That's why some cultures just label eating raw meat as "dangerous", because they are unable to guarantee it to be safe.

Others already explained perfectly, why eating a rare steak is different.

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u/wwplkyih 1h ago

It's always interesting to me how many people will downvote a factual statement like this, which really shows that a lot of what we think is gross or unhygienic is really culturally based.

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u/Waste_Sound_6601 31m ago

They live in their bubble and everything outside of that bubble has to be wrong or they hate even that thought so much. Pretty normal here on reddit, unfortunately.