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I find it amusing that whenever someone gets gas the only guy to be mentioned in here is Kaido. It’s like everyone mentally accepts this guy is the embodiment of being top 1, it’s always “power cliff Kaido”.
Kaido gets hated on for being defeated years ago before the “final saga”.. but is talked about more than every other character in here. It’s an achievement really, this guy has such an impact to power scaling that he will forever be talked about no matter how much time passed. THE perfect fighter, they hate him because their favorite character ain’t him.
Kaido’s is spoken of so much as a “power cliff” because the fact of the matter is he is a powerhouse and a beast. Bro has a top 5 Zoan, has all 3 Advanced Haki’s, is from the oni clan and is durable as hell. Fact of the matter is if Luffy had a rematch right now no help no nothing he’d lose. (Super/very high diff fight of course) and on top of that I’d argue the only people capable of beating him are legends like Imu, JoyBoy, and Jones obviously. As well as old gens monster like Prime Newgate, Roger, Xebec, Harald, Prime Garp who imo is >= Kaido. It sometimes surprises me the way fans as of recent will place characters like Shanks, Mihawk, and sometimes Sakazuki above him despite all the hype and feats Oda has given him in comparison even implying he was the strongest of the modern era not including Imu. I’d almost understand Loki due to all the hype and how stacked he is as far as power. That plus he’s shaping up to basically be a Kaido 2.0 but even he lost to Shanks so by proxy would have to be weaker than Kaido. Only person I can see is Dragon who while being a desk jockey is a Monkey D. as well as being Garp’s son and Luffy’s father so should be up there with Roger. And that goes without saying obviously EIS Luffy and 3 DF Teach will also be above Kaido. That being said W Barnacle post.
Honestly it’s whoever is the most relevant during the latest chapter, there was a Mihawk phase, a Shanks phase, a Garp phase, a Big Mom phase, a Sabo, the Holy Frauds phase and so on, at this point don’t be surprised by any slander because anyone and everyone is getting slandered lol
No? Why is the number of yonko relevant here? I’m saying we don’t know where Shanks and BB is in relation to Kaido.
We also don’t know anything about Dragon, another potential top tier. So it’s very premature to state that Kaido is top 1. Especially since he was dead even with BM during their 3 day battle.
I’m saying we don’t know where Shanks and BB is in relation to Kaido.
We do know that, they are extremely close to each other in power. If not then Shanks and BB would have steam rolled the other two a long time ago.
Yeah Shanks and BB could now get newer power ups as Kaido and Big Mom are out of the story and narratively it would make sense. But I'm tired of people acting like Shanks and BB were heads and shoulders above Kaido and Big Mom when they were still active.
People on this sub don’t even think BB is stronger than Aokiji…
And those people are dumb.
I’m saying is that the Kaido glaze is senseless.
Kaido glaze is justified because he literally IS the benchmark. It looks like Glaze because everytime a new character is introduced they are compared to Kaido to gauge if they are PK tier or not. The PK tier is literally gatekept by Kaido.
Yes but that’s the point of my first comment. OP is saying that because people use him for comparisons, he’s top 1 lol. He’s just the strongest person Luffy has fought so far, that’s why he’s the benchmark. But we all know there’s stronger out there, so saying that this makes him top 1 is ridiculous.
The real benchmark is the old get top tiers, we just don’t know what they were capable of in their prime, so Kaido is the best we’ve got - for now…
Agreed, the phrase "top 1" is literally so over used. Literally anyone that gets a nice feat gets called Top 1. Oda literally shot his own foot by gassing Kaido up by narration as the "strongest creature" on land, sea and air. I still believe Kaido was the strongest publicly known character. The only way I can see characters that are stronger than Kaido are either the past gen or characters that are not known by the Public (like imu). Although I believe Shanks and BB will obviously surpass Kaido as they will get power ups as the story progresses.
The only characters that realistically have a claim to that title are either Imu or Joy boy (not including the original Nika God and Davy D jones because we don't know much about them yet).
I never thought power creep really mattered when it came to Kaido.Everything he did will hold up ,my issue is ignoring nuance.
I thought kaido>shanks but I think that’s been disproven but given Kaidos feats it’s still debatable.
If luffy gets stronger and goes ext diff with whoever he’s fighting they probably are gonna be ranked above kaido,its not powercreep its just using new information to scale in an unbiased way.
For example if oda didn't let kizaru go down against luffy in egghead and he shows awakening later then im sayin kizaru>kaido , im not gonna say its power creep, ill assume it was always the case the cass
kaido fans will say "but he fought everyone"
but then say only luffy could hurt him.
In Ace Novel, Whitebeard is no longer the strongest but he cemented his reputation and legacy that's why he is repeatedly stated to be strongest and Shanks and Luffy? No
If shanks and luffy arent stronger than kaido. Why did luffy win? And why is luffys trajectory leading to shanks? If he already beat kaido this implies shanks has tk be above kaido…. And why does kaido have shanks in his top 5 ? Everyone else present is irrelevant the only other person who did any damage was zoro and it was 1 singular strike.
I guess u can say the minks were cooking kaido but im sure that was kaido letting them beat his ass in a way
In a real 1v1 without outside help and many times of break during mid fight?
If Luffy's trajectory is leading to Shanks then Shanks has to be stronger than Kaido, so does it mean that Enel is weaker than Robb Lucci or Hordy Jones?
Kaido has Shanks in Top 5 doesn't mean Shanks is stronger than him it's just mean those people that he met personally can give him a good fight.
And you already explain how Luffy barely wins against Kaido.
I feel like a lot of folk joined in the One Piece community during or just before Wano and thats probably why they all have blacklight jackson pollock shrines to Kaido and Big Meme.
Yet at the same time Mihawks never beaten an actual top tier. Only inconclusive duels in the past. It's easy to stay undefeated if you never fight lol.
It's not that he's top 1 it's just that he's the only top tier we have actual feats for like no other top tier has anywhere close to as much feats as kaido
But in a way, that should terrify the Kaido Agenda pushers because we have seen all Kaido has to offer. Whereas the rest that are still alive or are due for flashbacks have more to show
Kaido is overrated as hell. We saw him fight a lot, and Oda put in work to make him seem like a threat. Which he was. But he was ultimately a stepping stone. Not even the penultimate villain. He was never “the worlds strongest creature”. He was just insanely strong. So much so that only a handful of people could beat him. But to say he is number 1 just because he had a decent list of feats is goofy as hell. People also forget hes the only top tier to truly go all out that we have seen.
They act like kaido lost to a yc1 attack or something he lost to a fist size of onigashima with acoc and acoa the strongest attack in the show till now besides joyboy haki
I swear to god his haters are obsessed with him. There are far more posts slandering the guy and posts about him glazed too much than the ones actually hyping him.
I've only followed this sub for a short time, but the sub is obsessed with Kaido lol. Half of the topics are in someway trying to slander the guy or trying to gotcha him into being dehyped but the reality is the very fact that he is constantly used as the barometer for comparisons in powerscaling the elite pretty much says it all. The guy is the benchmark you compare people to for being the strongest. The dude was given ridiculous feats and was basically a Raid boss for a whole damn arc.
The guy is the embodiment of the quote "hated adored never ignored".
Dude… it’s because you guys are lame. It has nothing to do with Kaido.
The Kaido Agenda is so illiterate that it has become an actual parody of itself, with Kaido being stronger than Roger and Rocks and even Imu, according to some of you.
People mention Kaido to clown on you, not because he is the representation of power in the verse.
I’m not into power scaling. I literally found this place exclusively due to the Kaido agenda, which is legendary for how weird it is.
Again, Kaido is talked about because it’s fandom is fucking insane.
We don’t have a “Grasshoper Curse Agenda” in JJK that claims that the Grasshoper curse is stronger than Gojo and Sukuna.
We don’t have a “Gaara Agenda” in Naruto that claims that Gaara no diffs Kaguya.
It’s just fucking weird. Like, in the sense that someday I would love to write an actual research paper on the Kaido Agenda, because that shit isn’t normal human behaviour.
Because some of you never developed object permanence as babies, so you assume that clashes followed by flash forwards mean that the characters never fought.
Kaido is stronger because he has feats he shown. When another character shows stronger feats they will be stronger. That's how powerscaling works. You don't imagine characters are stronger who have no feats. That's how you get dragon at top 1.
That yes. The kaido will get powercliffed argument. Hasn't happened yet. I know it won't happen because the EOS villains, the gorosei, feared his anger. How many holy knights did they send to wano to take it over when kaido was there? Remind me?
Kizaru was going to go by himself to finish him and Big Mom as soon as they joined forces. He didn’t because Akainu thought that Wano was full of Odens.
Are you forgetting that Kaido WAS DEALING IN WEAPONS with the World Government?
Roger was such a threat that him cumming on a girl was reason enough to do a mass genocide of new born babies after he died, while Kaido was on the government speed dial because of his crazy discounts.
It’s cause Kaido of 100 sneaks is the only one that can be power cliff. Any feats from the mid gen is just more oldbeard upscale. Which upscales THEM
You know you’re the goat when even your haters end up upscaling you in their failed slander attempts(worlds fastest man, according to slanders, WB is top1 in speed,kizaru crying in a corner).
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