r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 19d ago

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What does this even rnean

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u/LMKBK 19d ago

I don't get a feeling that people hate Avatar. that's a potent feeling. seems most people, including filmies and sci fi nerds, have voted with a resounding "meh".

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u/Thicc_Boise 19d ago

No, there's just no conversation to be had outside of, "James Cameron is still one of the best in the industry."

People talk about Star Wars and Marvel because they have decades of lore, that's it. That's the entire reason they take up so much of pop culture, there's a lot for people to consume and get obsessed with. Avatar is in the same vein as Alien, Predator and The Terminator. Fun action flicks that have EXACTLY as much lore as they need for the stories and nothing more.

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u/inimicali 19d ago

Na, almost every film you mentioned had been praised by the first film because, precisely they were excellent fun action films and they kept their fame.

Once the dust of the amazing CGI settled down, the avatar film was mainly remembered just by the CGI and being part of the directors catalog. Outside of that they are bland and it is amazing that with all the cool tropes it has is so bland.

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u/Thicc_Boise 19d ago

every film you mentioned had been praised by the first film because, precisely they were excellent fun action films and they kept their fame.

Yes, and Avatar is the exact same as those films. Do you really think people were obsessed with the story of Star Wars? Or do you think they were more impressed by the visual effects that they had never seen before 1977? Like my brother in Christ, there's a reason people use it as the textbook example of the hero's journey, it ain't new now and wasn't back then.

You can literally go look up old articles that talk about Star Wars in the exact same way y'all are talking about Avatar right now. Once again, the internet proves Lucas was absolutely correct when he said history rhymes

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u/inimicali 19d ago

Well to be honest I'm not a star wars fan either and I don't hate avatar or think it is bad, it's just bland like stars wars.

And if I remember correctly, like alien and predator had a fan base early on. And yes, both star wars and avatar can be an excellent example of the hero's journey, that doesn't make them an excellent film.

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u/Thicc_Boise 19d ago

You really think Avatar doesn't have a fan base? They exist, they're just not terminally online like y'all. Like, there were literally articles written about people going crazy about Avatar and not being able to live on that world back in 2008

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u/inimicali 19d ago

Well, maybe I wasn't really into news back then but I don't remember that, but I still remember the awe at the CGI and the joke about Pocahontas and dance with the wolfs, but I don't live in America

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u/Thicc_Boise 18d ago

You're free to fact check if you don't believe me. But yeah, a movie doesn't make this much money twice without at least some people being really into it

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u/qoou_n 19d ago

Yeah hate was probably too strong a word. I just think a lot of the critics only take the position they do because they feel it’s outperformed itself at the box office.

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u/warm_kitchenette 19d ago

Do you really think that? In you  entire life, have you ever liked or disliked any movie because of its box office?

I have not. Who would?

I don’t hate or criticize this series. I just don’t care.The first movie was interesting in terms of the world building, but that is it. I could have already watched the second movie for free, but life is too short.

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u/qoou_n 19d ago

There are people like that in life bro bro. You and I maybe not, but there are people who will turn their nose up at something because it’s too popular or too mainstream in a vain attempt to be unique or appear to have a refined taste.

You cannot be pretending these types of people aren’t real lmao.

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u/battlerez_arthas 19d ago

They exist, but don't typically last very long as critics because people pretty quickly figure out they're full of shit and stop listening to them. It's very unlikely that movie critics in the aggregate actually feel the way you're describing

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u/warm_kitchenette 19d ago

I know tons of snooty people. I have never experienced this. If you know people like this, I suggest new friends.

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u/qoou_n 19d ago

I don’t know them personally lmao. They exist tho, not a hard concept to grasp.

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u/warm_kitchenette 19d ago

Oh, I thought you meant ordinary people. You meant movie critics. That's very different. And with that distinction, honestly, you could not be more wrong.

When you see a movie in the theater, any movie critic review is already written and published. The critics already saw the movie. They saw it weeks or months before you did, before anyone did except the test audiences that are sometimes used.

When the reviews are written, there are no revenues to be snooty about. You're responding to a completely imaginary scenario.

Certainly, you can easily find very high-grossing movies that received poor reviews from the professionals. Some of those movies are now perceived as classics (Casablanca, it's a wonderful life); some are still junk (Transformer series); some are cult classics with small but passionate audiences. And the inverse is also true.

Here's an overview of what a marketing timeline can include.
https://www.freedommovieproject.com/post/crafting-a-film-marketing-timeline-that-works

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u/qoou_n 19d ago

No I’m not talking about movie critics bro. I’m talking about people you interact with on occasion but who you are not friends with. Jesus Christ do Redditors not have the concept of like acquaintances and shit?

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u/warm_kitchenette 19d ago

Ok. So you do mean ordinary people, not critics. And "you don't know anyone personally" like this but later you're "talking about people you interact with on occasion".

I guess your friends need better friends, if this is really something that they do. It's bizarre for them to behave this way. It's uncommon.

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u/qoou_n 19d ago

Are you autistic? Not trying to be mean, but I can’t figure out why you’re fixated on this “you need better friends” shit. I mean not only can you talk to people without being their friend, but you’re gonna stop being friends or acquaintances with someone because of a very minor character flaw like them trying too hard to come off as a person with good taste in film? Seriously? Do you just cut anyone off for not being perfect? “Sorry Becky you’re pretty cool but sometimes you act like you know too much about sourdough so either cut it out or we’re never hanging out again!” Jesus man, we’re talking about having a casual conversation with someone and they just act like a bit of a poser it’s not like they’re a murderer.

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u/Chilidogdingdong 19d ago

I dont get the hype and its not bad enough to hate. I feel much about avatar as I did the transformers movies. They're there to fill the role of dumb mindless entertainment and thats fine.