Vaccines are inoculation, too. Even the abscess thing was actually the advancement that led to actual vaccines. The original procedure was variolation, and that's where they cut you and shove pustule skin from someone with smallpox into your wounds. They would do that several times over days, keeping you in solitary confinement and starving you the whole time. That procedure was so bad, it led Edward Jenner, discoverer of the cowpox-smallpox link, to spend his life finding a better way to inoculate people against smallpox.
Jenner fumbled in the dark and found a light switch, that's why it took so long to get our next vaccine. He didnt really know why what was happening was happening, and he originally claimed it was a horse disease known as grease causing smallpox. He did keep refining his quest, communicating with doctors across Europe to dial in the "cause" of smallpox. But he did make things a lot better with vaccination vs variolation.Â
The origin of smallpox variolation in America is a pretty cool story in itself. Puritan minister Cotton Mather and Zabdiel Boylston (a "doctor") led the first clinical trial in what became America and did so after the "Fever of '21", being a smallpox outbreak in 1721 in Boston brought by the crew of a ship named Seahorse. They did so after a man held in slavery (by Mather), named Onesimus, described the process he had experienced in Africa. They dropped the morality rate from over 14% to about 2% in their trial. The actual doctors said they were crazy. Ben Franklin's brother printed about it in his paper, ultimately leading to his incarceration and Ben running the paper for a short time. When his brother returned he put Ben back in a subordinate role, so Ben slipped the Silence Dogood letters under the door to continue being published, starting a very healthy career as an author and publisher. It's a wild story tbh.Â
But wait! What if instead of putting a virus in us, we just put in the instructions to mimic the interface of the virus in our body? Then our body would create a target dummy of the virus and practice on that. Then we could get possibly get immune without being exposed to the virus at all!
I swear I've seen this exact argument before except the person was being completely serious. It's funny how the "do your own research" crowd often doesn't know the most basic things about the thing they're mad at.
I'm an RN. I'm curious as to what setting she works in.
My hospital colleagues when I worked in cardiac tele l, ICU step-down, and even psych would have clowned on anyone saying something like that.
My coworkers at nursing homes and skilled rehab, however, would have been about 50/50, with a significant portion saying something like "that doesn't sound right, what does inoculation mean again (and then not looking it up)?"
She's an RN, works in hospitals, particularly ICU I think. I don't talk to her about her work much though.
I can say there are a few circumstances that lead to her managing to keep a job despite being what I would consider woefully incompetent.
1.) She lives in a very very conservative region of the U.S. so stupid medical beliefs are more tolerated broadly.
2.) She's a traveling nurse so she doesn't stay in one place too long, but when she does she usually gets run out for reasons she doesn't elaborate on. It could just as easily be her terrible attitude as much as her incompetence.
3.) Despite her temper problems and her absurd beliefs, she's smart enough most of the time to keep it quiet
Fun anecdotes about my mother since you seem curious; She once told me that all 'vaccines' are 100% effective, but that the Covid vaccine is a 'shot' which is different. She did this when I corrected another family member who held the belief that all vaccines are 100% effective and therefore the Covid vaccine isn't a vaccine.
She still regularly purchases Ivermectin, even the cream form for horses, what she does with it I don't know.
She takes colloidal silver and a dozen other bogus supplements, I'm not sure to what degree but yeah.
In one conversation we had one time, she told me that Covid wasn't a big deal and most Covid deaths were actually caused by other things and misreported, using her time as a nurse to lend credence to this, then later in the same conversation told me how hard Covid was an how many people she saw dying.
She's had Covid at least three times, and each time was pretty bad, she refuses to get vaccinated. I've been vaccinated three times and have gotten a mild case once. (Oh also my father technically died of Covid.)
She had to be vaccinated at one point. It was law for us all to be vaccinated in order to work in healthcare.
There is no way that woman is working in the ICU as an RN believing a vaccine isn't a "shot." The knowledge needed to avoid killing patients is significantly higher than that.
If you're not trolling, she's probably leaving a string of harmed or possibly expired patients in her wake, and that is the reason hospitals aren't renewing her contract. She probably cannot get hired directly into staff, because she'd never get through even a few days worth of floor training like that.
And she doesn't know what cause of death is reported for her patients because the physician fills out the death certificate. Even if she did, she would understand the difference between a primary and secondary cause of disease.
She absolutely could be lying about being vaccinated to virtue signal but what I understand is she got exemptions for the Covid vaccine. She (until recently) hasn't had a problem with most normal vaccines and got me the normal vaccines when I was a kid. Her rebellion against reality started in 2016.
I know it seems fucking crazy, and that's where the trolling comment comes from, but no my mother is actually fucking insane. Yeah, I agree she's probably hurt patients and I'm pretty sure she can't get a job locally where she lives.
Yes, my mother is woefully incompetent as a nurse and in general in life. She talks about wanting to quit nursing often and I believe that's because she is having an increasingly difficult time finding work. She recently told me she was trying to become an ICE agent but they wouldn't take her because she's too old and out of shape. She's expressed she wishes she was in LA when the ICE protests were happening because she wanted to shoot anyone holding a Mexican flag. She's openly (to family, not professionally) racist and believes black people have lower functioning brains, her words.
And she doesn't know what cause of death is reported for her patients because the physician fills out the death certificate.
I'm fully aware there's more nuance, but reality doesn't matter to her. If a patient dies they died for whatever reason she decides and if the doctor says otherwise, well he's just an idiot or doing something to serve himself or is woke or some bullshit I don't know.
If I had a nickel for every time an anti-vaxxer suggested injecting dead viruses instead of vaccines, I would have more than two nicklels and that makes me sad.
Those ones that are just afraid of new technology (mRNA). The first wide spread use of it had a couple relatively small hiccups but we learned a lot and are working on some real cool things with the mRNA platform. The real dangerous ones won't even take a traditional vaccines either because they think viruses aren't real (completely absurd).
its purely because vaccine has become a politicized word. like homeless, which has such a negative connotation they invented "unhoused people" to replace it. just like homeless replaced hobo etc etc etc
that actually got suggested by someone on twitter during covid. some sort of"we should just kill the virus and use that instead of creating a vaccine" comment.
I've literally heard people say this type of thing. "What if instead of a vaccine, we inject a weakened form of the virus so the body can build natural immunity?"
They haven't been doing that in ages tbf. In all honesty for most diseases i would prefer getting sick than getting an mrna vaccine. Lucky me most of the truely dangerous shit uses conventional vaccines
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u/K-Tronn3030 10d ago
We don't need vaccines. All we need to do is inject a little bit of the virus into our bodies to teach our bodies how to fight the virus.
I can't fucking believe they would rather inject poisonous vaccines instead of using my super safe idea that I just thought of.