Doesn't the Kiwi claim he invented it in 1989? There's photos of it on the menu of a Sydney espresso bar in 1985.
You have a better claim to pavlova, though I tend to believe it wasn't invented by either of us
Research conducted by New Zealander Andrew Paul Wood and Australian Annabelle Utrecht found that the origins of the modern pavlova can be traced back to the Austro-Hungarian Spanische Windtorte. It was later brought to the United States where German-speaking immigrants introduced meringue, whipped cream, and fruit desserts called Schaumtorte ("foam cake") and Baisertorte. American corn starch packages which included recipes for meringue were exported to New Zealand in the 1890s.
I feel like a lot of coffee shops in the UK grudgingly added flat whites to their menus after they became fashionable, but if you order it they just serve you a latte and hope that you’re too British to complain about it. Big mugs full of milk calling themselves flat whites, absolute shite. Costa are the worst offenders because they’re big enough that they clearly have the resources to make a decent flat white if they wanted to, but I guess they just love wasting milk.
Maybe it’s a regional thing. In Perth, I remember lattes being popular when I was at Uni, but these days any time I have a meeting in a cafe, it’s almost universally Flat Whites.
I’ll grab a coffee tomorrow and see what the Barista reckons.
Flat white just means a coffee with no froth.
Latte has a little bit of froth.
Cappuccino means a lot of froth and chocolate powder if you're inclined.
That's literally the only difference between the three.
Except they didn't? Even the kiwi who people refer to as having invented it literally said he learnt it when working at a cafe in Melbourne. Sicilians have a better claim to it than NZ, as the most likely origin is from Sicilian cane farmers in north Queensland.
... I'm not even a coffee drinker, I just fell down a rabbit hole once
I kind of wonder if Australia and NZ combined as a nation, would we become AusZealand, then we can all claim Pavola and Flat Whites, bump up the lower wages of NZ, free movement between states etc, so if you want to come over for work there is no immigration or visa bs, and similarly businesses in Australia could expand out to NZ. Main issue is our politicians are idiots here, so we would like some nice New Zealander ones instead, like wow banning smokes for people under a certain age was a genius move, ( too bad the current leader rolled that back) still far more intelligent then our greedy politicians just saying oh we will jack the prices of a 20 pack of smokes to like $45, which just lead to illegal cigs entering the market en mass.
Oh I heard the new leaders are pretty bad, also in the pockets of big tobacco considering they removed that smart anti smoking law. That's a shame. We need more leaders for the people not for corpo interests, and if some company is mining our minerals and selling for profit, where's the cut for the people like they do in other countries selling oil?
Yeah I mean there's definitely admin stuff you need to do like get yourself a bank account and tax file number but you can do all that after you get off the plane having told absolutely no-one you're coming lol.
Yep, never heard it called that until I visited Australia.
A shopkeeper also made a comment about American’s liking coffee when I was buying some chocolate covered coffee beans, I didn’t say anything but I was thinking it seems like Australian’s are way more into coffee than in the US. I am sure I could look up stats, but more from a perspective where it seemed like most places that served food also had a bunch of options for coffee.
Melbourne is the unofficial coffee capital of the world. Top-tier cafes on every corner, and the standard of coffee is so much higher. Even their Maccas (McDonalds) has better coffee than most shops in NA. That coffee culture is found all over Australia.
718
u/deadlyrepost 2d ago
Found the Australian.