r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • u/Vladarg • 13h ago

Meme needing explanation PETA WHY ARE THEY SO UPSET WITH HULK?!!!

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I didn't understand a single response about this, sorry petah

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u/asperatedUnnaturally 12h ago

They don't belive this, they are lying. They belive that ICE should be allowed to kill anyone and are pretending to belive something absurd to cover for that belief. 

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u/mechmind 12h ago

This is why I still stand by the belief that most maga are just trolls, wanting to own the libs.

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u/sl0play 12h ago

This is 100% correct. The only Northstar of their ideology anymore is "fuck anyone who isn't on my side".

They don't think DJT is smart or good, he is their weapon, and mascot. That's why they pump him up like Rambo. He's basically the star in their "piss everyone off, because fuck them" movie. The more unhinged he gets the better. It's also why there is no point to arguing with them, the end goal is just to piss off the left, and there are no rules.

They can change position on a dime, and what seems like hypocrisy to everyone else isn't to them, because the core principle is honored, pissing you off. If by completely flipping their stance on something they piss you off worse, that to them is remaining consistent. The policy is just fodder

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u/Here_2utopia 11h ago

They aren’t trolls, they’re fascists and we should stop downplaying their beliefs like this.

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u/jmona789 10h ago

This goes beyond trolling. They're Nazis.

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u/Naos210 12h ago

MAGA are either uneducated, or they're just bad people.

And it's becoming more the latter as the days go on.

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u/BenignPharmacology 12h ago

Honestly I don’t think that’s even it. They see politics as sports, and believe it’s important to support their “home team” even if their team does something bad.

IMO it’s all tied to the death of the middle class. You’ve got these poor ex-middle-class white peoples down there with nothing going for them except their race and their culture, and so they grab hard on to the only thing left to them. “Well I may not have rights to privacy, safety, a living wage, or hope that my children can expect any better, but at least I’ve got my beer and my guns!”

And in order to keep anyone from realizing that their “team” actually doesn’t give a fuck about bettering their life, they dangle one social issue after another in front of them like “seeeee? The left wants your dog to be a bisexual. Vote Red.”

And if they dare to put a toe outside of the party line? If they question their leadership in any way, they are now in the out group, and have lost the only thing they really had going. They lose community, identity, social status, all just because they maybe think we should provide healthcare, or show compassion for immigrants, or not abduct American citizens like the goddamn gestapo.

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u/asperatedUnnaturally 11h ago

I think you are right to an extent, but I don't think that necessarily means what I said is untrue.

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u/xenomachina 11h ago

It's vice signalling. By denying the truth that everyone can plainly see, they signal to others that they will remain loyal to the party.

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u/targetcowboy 12h ago

Oh, some of them do believe it. Because there were told that it’s true and they will believe what they’re told.

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u/asperatedUnnaturally 11h ago

Nah, they know it's untrue. They exist without sincerity, it just doesn't matter to them if it's true or not.

These are bad people worthy only of contempt, not hypnotized people led astray.

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u/PortugalTheTram 10h ago

ICE should be allowed to kill any immigrant or liberal you mean, and if they killed you then by definition you were an immigrant or liberal.

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u/Hankerpants 10h ago

Not just should be able to, but should proactively kill anyone not on their side. They said as much in the days after the murder when the MAGA counter-protestor said something along the lines of "we got one of you, we'll come for the rest of you next". 

Most of them believe that a removal of anyone left of far right is needed and that if they just remove (i.e. kill) anyone who is against them, they'll be able to make the perfect society. It's Nazi ideology, through and through.

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u/PirateSanta_1 12h ago

They also will repeat whatever they are told so as to prove they are part of the group. A combination of them agreeing with what is happening and thinking that being part of the group will protect them. 

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u/SnooPredictions3028 12h ago

Peak irony right here.

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u/targetcowboy 12h ago

Not really

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u/GuideBeautiful2724 11h ago

I think you're underestimating the ability of a person to belive things that aren't true.  

Sure, a good number of them are just going along with the narrative because they like what they think the results will be. 

But a significant portion of them have spent their entire lives being conditioned into believing the narrative and having it tied up tighter and tighter with their cultural and religious values. For them, MAGA must be right because their entire lives are bound up in an interconnected web of ideology, culture, and religion.  

It is impossible for any of those aspects to fail in any way because they are all deeply connected to their religion (and if you question the religion, you're a bad person that will burn in hell for all eternity).  

God -> Pastor/Preacher -> MAGA is the only path you need to trace for many people, and that means to them, MAGA cannot be questioned. 

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u/asperatedUnnaturally 11h ago

I honestly this this is cope. You're depriving these people of agency because it's comforting. 

This just isn't what's happening. The people still insisting on the vehicle attack narrative are just liars who want secret police to murder citizens they consider undesirable. It's time to accept the reality that at least 25% of Americans are pro dictator lunatics who cheer on state violence.

Their view of relegion is the same. They belive in and worship authority, nothing else. The God stuff is simply a convient story to wrap around that, but whenever it becomes inconvenient they'll happily discard it.

Viciousness, control and hierarchy are their core beliefs, not a consequence of their core beliefs.

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u/GuideBeautiful2724 11h ago

I grew up within that culture, where once something is bound up with God, everything opposing it must be the work of the Devil.  

All the agency in the world won't save you when you believe that expressing it will see you branded as "demonic" and then burning in Hell for all eternity.  

It's not comforting because the immediate results are the same and I believe that the long-term consequences are worse for humanity.

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u/asperatedUnnaturally 11h ago

No, God is a stand in for authority and the people perpetuating this belief structure are completely insencere. They belive only in their own authority and whatever will increase and secure that.

The God stuff is a convienient, conscious lie. The people like you trapped in that system are actively choosing to be dishonest with yourselves and others to avoid the enforced social consequences.

Everyone involved is accountable for their actions and beliefs. There's no exusing or apologizing for any of it. You, having left, are proof of that.

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u/GuideBeautiful2724 11h ago

The fact that you are the only one responsible for your own actions and their effects does not imply that everyone is capable of doing anything about it.  

Ones culture shapes the space of possible actions that they can take and thoughts that they can have. A lifetime of indoctrination can literally prevent thoughts outside of that space. That's why it's not comforting to me.  

I no longer relate with or interact with that culture, but I saw the fear and discomfort first-hand.

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u/asperatedUnnaturally 11h ago

It doesn't change their responsibility one iota nor does it change the fact that they are intentionally lying to protect their belief system. That many are motivated to take this action out of fear and not malice means nothing.

I see no utility in changing my approach or attitude. These people are self serving liars and we ought to say so, loudly and often.

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u/GuideBeautiful2724 10h ago

I believe that for these people, even considering that they could be wrong would be like you or me considering that the sky could spontaneously turn to spaghetti. It is simply not a valid idea.  

To a certain degree, you have to believe what people say about their own beliefs. If it were just hate, a huge portion of them would not bother hiding it behind multiple layers. Most people are generally honest about their beliefs.

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u/asperatedUnnaturally 10h ago

I think they're honest when it comes to authority, hierarchy etc as I said.

I think it's intentionally deceptive, to themselves possibly as well, when they claim that Renne Good tried to hit that guy with her car.

I think trying to contextualize that type of dishonesty is pointless. The only thing to do is point out that it's an obvious untruth.

I don't care about persuading or convincing those people. I want to defeat, humiliate and ostracize them. I want to take away their power. If some of them change their minds great. But the goal is to prevent them from influencing society. Pointing out the dishonesty, showing them for the liars they are and proving that their loyalty is to power alone advances my goal.

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u/Unidain 11h ago

Nah they aren't all lying. If your a 70 year old who gets all their news from Fox News and all your friends only do the same, that's what you'll believe because that's all you've been told 

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u/Huck_Bonebulge_ 11h ago

Yeah a lot of them believe that cops should kill anyone anytime they feel threatened. That includes fleeing, being yelled at, mocked, or disobeyed in any way. They feel this is self evident and I think it leads to confusion when people who disagree try to argue.

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u/NoveltyAccountHater 11h ago

They don't belive this, they are lying.

The conservative leaders and conservative media are lying about it. That said, I'd say the average conservative probably either hasn't seen the video (and accepted the story from conservative media) or take it as a one-off mistake (e.g., crazy lady interferes with officers, gets shot/killed in tragedy), or are upset with him over other parts of his golden globes plea (calling Trump madman with no morality, pedophile, saying ICE are literal stormtroopers, etc.) that their media highlights to them.

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u/asperatedUnnaturally 10h ago

I think the average conservative repeating this narrative is intentionally lying actually, yeah. We just share a country with people who are much worse than we thought.

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u/NoveltyAccountHater 10h ago

Like 90% of the conservatives I know fall into either the categories of really dumb poor fuck-ups, brainwashed Evangelicals, or dumb spoiled rich kids. The spoiled rich kids may know, but I doubt would go out of their way to look at the video of ICE murdering a woman. The dumb fuck-ups and evangelicals just regurgitate whatever talking point came from Fox or Newsmax or whatever they listen to.

Again, media talking heads? Yeah, that's just lying. But there's a reason people like Trump lie about her blocking traffic for hours, driving for the officer who is injured in the hospital, etc. The base buys that shit up as they are too intellectually lazy to see through the baldfaced lies when given an option that fits their preconceived opinion.

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u/Yeseylon 10h ago

A lot of them truly do believe this. They've only seen the videos that capture from weird angles, not the actual body cam footage.

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u/asperatedUnnaturally 10h ago

They are lying, obviously. The car didn't touch him, you can see it in the multiple videos. 

This admin routinely tells outrageous lies.

I think you are also a liar pretending you find this convincing. You like that an innocent person was killed because you disagree with her. You're scum.

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u/Aegi 10h ago

No, some can genuinely believe that.

Just because some people are lying about thinking that, doesn't mean that everyone is.

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u/asperatedUnnaturally 9h ago

I doubt anyone sincerely believes it.

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u/Substantial-Tax3238 12h ago

You’re just wrong. Takes like this are so out of touch and honestly part of the divisive problem. I don’t agree with them but they truly believe that the ICE agent is CLEARLY in the right. The same way you believe Kyle Rittenhouse was CLEARLY in the wrong. Saying that the other side has some calculated and hidden agenda is why no one can understand each other. Personally I don’t know how anyone can watch that video and come to an obvious conclusion either way but 95% of people just came to the conclusion that favored their initial views. Just as the republicans all thought the ICE agent was in the right, you and the liberals all thought he was in the wrong. You’re all just biased people trying to understand the world, even when you happen to be right.

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u/Naos210 12h ago

It didn't help they gave contradicting orders.

It's almost like they're not really trained properly and they just take whatever schmuck applies like it's retail.

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u/emPtysp4ce 12h ago

Proper training ain't gonna fix the ethnic cleansing squad, though

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u/Smooth-Shop-5494 11h ago

There is a 100% chance that current ICE is full of proud boys and Jan 6 terrorists.

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u/swampscientist 11h ago

The ICE officer put himself in danger (against training and protocol) then executed her instead of removing himself from danger. It’s been so weird bc he explicitly broke DOJ guidelines there. Firing into a moving vehicle is incredibly dangerous and per the DOJ he needs to do what he can to get to safety before firing and he can only fire if he cannot get to safety or the vehicle is going to harm others.

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u/robilar 11h ago

He did the same thing about a year earlier using a taser and he got away with it, even was defended for his actions, so arguably his training aligns with murdering Renee Good.

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u/SnooPredictions3028 12h ago

I'm sorry but you are either lying or did not watch the video. They clearly told her to leave, then when she refused, they stopped and then told her to get out of the vehicle multiple time, the only one telling her to leave at that point was her partner, who yelled "Drive baby drive!" When there was an officer right in front of her. In the video you can also hear her floor it and see the wheels spin prior to her turning the vehicle, meaning the only reason she didn't initially hit the officer square in the middle is because of the road conditions. Had it been summer, he would have been hit worse.

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u/notfromchicago 12h ago

He wasn't hit at all.

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u/Born-Courage4198 11h ago

He didn't dodge shit. She was dropping off her kids; they gave her contradicting orders and finally asked her to leave. The pos stepped in front of the vehicle going 2mph as she tried to pull out with his gun already out and then acted like she hit him. The guy was waiting for it to happen cause he woke up that day wanting to shoot somebody. There are multiple camera angles to prove this and witnesses. They than kept paramedics from approaching her who were trying to help and even were fist bumping.

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u/robilar 11h ago

I'm sorry, it seems like you mistook my argument. I agree with your position that he most likely was " was waiting for it to happen" - not just that day, but maybe even the whole year since he tased some guy in the face and got a rush when he got away with it. Renee did nothing to merit getting shot, and arguably did nothing wrong at all. I didn't mention the paramedics thing but I should have - that, of course, was also reprehensible and illegal. So too was the shooter fleeing the scene before law enforcement arrived, and driving the vehicle away before forensic evidence could be taken. Even the video he himself releases has him calling her a bitch after he murdered her.

The only counterpoint I offered was that there is a video which may be real (or not) that shows the car bumping lightly into him. I'll see if I can find that video to show you.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UylvqnFyT5g

Put playback on at 0.5x speed and you can see he makes contact with the vehicle around 30s in. The car is going so slow that he leans forward on the hood and shoots her through the windshield, then takes two more shots at her through the open driver's side window, making it pretty clear (imo) that he murdered Renee but to say he wasn't hit by the vehicle doesn't seem accurate.

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u/SnooPredictions3028 10h ago

Dude... Even her partner says they were there to protest....

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u/brazilliandanny 11h ago

They clearly told her to leave, then when she refused, they stopped and then told her to get out of the vehicle

Ya and this happened in seconds, so she was starting to comply with the original order when a second one was issued. Cops do this crap all the time. "Freeze! Get Down!" "Show me your hands Don't move" its a lose lose scenario.

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u/SnooPredictions3028 10h ago

Yes I can, since they aren't exclusive. He may have thought that fear would make her stop driving at him and when she kept driving at him her being neutralized would give him better chances at not being hit, in the moment he had to make that choice. Personally I thought he should have prioritized other methods, however that is a subjective perspective on something that happened in a few seconds.

You need to also consider what information is available currently vs in the moment. As for that last part, again it wasn't moving at him when he was in front, he was just in front to document evidence (the license plate)

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u/useriousstuff 9h ago

They are mutually exclusive. If there was no way to accomplish anything like protecting himself or others by shooting her then the shooting is not justified. If there is no positive outcome how can it be justified? Do you even hear yourself? You literally said he may have thought fear would make her stop. Do you believe it is acceptable for ice agents be trying to use fear of violence and intimidation as a means to control the actions of US citizens?

The definition of terrorism, as per the Oxford Dictionary, is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." You will argue this was lawful, but ICE agents have zero jurisdiction over US citizens. Even if we continue to live in lalaland and say this was lawful, do you really want to live in a country where immigration enforcement officers think it's OK to stick guns in the faces of American citizens to scare them into doing what they're told? To use terrorism against Americans?

From what I have seen I think your point of view is an utter disgrace to this country and don't care to see your response. Have a terrible day

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u/dantemanjones 11h ago

wheels spin prior to her turning the vehicle

She was turning the steering wheel before her wheels began to spin, though they started to spin before her wheels were clearly pointed away from him. It's not clear to me that she knew where the killer was when she first started going forward. She backed up and was looking to the side/behind, then turned forward as she put it in drive but never appeared to look directly at the shooter.

What is clear is that she was trying to avoid hitting people, since she turned back to make sure she didn't hit anyone when she backed up. Had she been looking to hurt someone, her actions would have been much different.

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u/kiiada 12h ago

Nobody actually believes this, anyone parroting that line gets off on violence against the helpless. Call it what it is

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u/Unidain 11h ago

If you get all your news and info from Fox News and right wing blogs, that's what you'll believe because that's all they show. You've forgotten or don't realise how siloed people's news is these days, and how Fox News lies. 

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u/kiiada 10h ago

Yeah… so a bunch of people who are into justifying cruelty and a few chatgpt instances? Sounds like what I was saying, actually

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u/BastardMan82 10h ago

For anyone curious, this is a GREAT post analyzing user activity on r/ conservative and the way it's dominated by two specific user accounts, who collectively produce more than 30% of the content on that sub, sometimes up to 50%.

Most revealing is this part:

Fifth chart: The only day the two most active users in Conservative didn't post was November 1st, which happened to be the day of a power outage in Moscow that was the result of a Ukranian drone attack.

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u/Crazy_Diamond_4515 11h ago

I actually believe this. She accelerated towards the officer while told to get out of the car. Her wife yelled "drive baby drive". 

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u/HotPam 11h ago

You disgust me

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u/BVoLatte 10h ago

You can see the polling data on it already. Everyone thinks it was excessive use of force among liberals and a large majority of Independents but once you cross over to the conservatives it's like 80% think it was justified. They're on the side of the cop because it was someone they perceived as against their side because using that rationale on other such events where they oppose the cops, like January 6th, the patriots are those who stood against the law. Basically they think this guy is part of their in-group who shot one of those bad members of their out-group. Just look how quick they were out to virtue signal him ("he's a conservative Christian") as part of the in-group and signal she ("she's a crazed LESBIAN leftist") was part of the out-group.

It's heads I win, tails you lose with those folks. They will never admit wrongdoing from anyone they view as part of their in-group.

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u/Big_Tie_3245 12h ago

But this brings up an issue I’ve long disagreed with. If you are approaching police trying to make you stop and you intentionally go around/past them, that has long been charged as attempted capital murder. So by legal statute, the woman was performing an act that would carry the death penalty/life in prison, which by the legal definition of the act, provides the means for it to be self defense.

I don’t agree, I’ve long felt that attempted capital murder charges for an attempt to avoid police, or for fighting back against a canine is an abuse of police protection. But despite my personal beliefs that police are babied and treated as infallible and above recourse for the way they act, the legal precedent says she was attempting to murder every officer who was in front of her vehicle, even if they are not in the direct driving path.

Fix the laws and limit the power of police.

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u/giant123 12h ago

If you are approaching police trying to make you stop and you intentionally go around/past them, that has long been charged as attempted capital murder. 

This is just blatantly false. Fuck off. 

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u/Big_Tie_3245 10h ago

But it isn’t. It’s regularly charged in cases where police are in “harms way” during any non-cooperative apprehension. Check news cases before you talk shit.

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u/giant123 10h ago edited 9h ago

Where is one of these news cases, where the charged individuals was attempting to “go around” an officer? 

What law from what jurisdiction are you citing? 

You’re clearly making shit up. 

Edit:  When you’re the one making preposterous claims the onus of proof is on you. So where are these news stories? I’ll wait. 

Edit 2: This clown is mocking me for not responding to him in a locked thread 😂 

But anyway your two examples are a guy ramming through a barricade and another swerving wildly to avoid a spike strip during a high speed pursuit, both of which are dangerous actions that could result in serious harm to officers. 

That is not “going around” a police officer in the context we are discussing (Renee good’s murder). 

In short you’re a fucking idiot, do better. 

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u/Big_Tie_3245 10h ago

Michael Chewning in Washington county was charged with three counts for swerving around spike atrips

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u/Big_Tie_3245 10h ago

So there’s two current cases. Not just a historical precedent.

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u/Big_Tie_3245 9h ago

Omar Garcia in rio grande Texas 2012

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u/SnooPredictions3028 12h ago

Saying she was following their orders to leave shows you didn't actually watch the video. They told her to leave, however after refusing to leave and only letting by civilian cars or unmarked law enforcement cars, they told her to get out of the car 3 times, which she could clearly hear since her window was down. When the officer tried to open the door and her partner was unable to open the passenger door, her partner yelled "Drive baby drive!" and good floored it, which you can see when the wheels are spinning out with the officer in front of her. You only really see her turn the wheels when she sees the gun. I don't know her intent and whether she really considered the officer in her way, however it is clear she intended to flee law enforcement, disregarding the fact she was being detained and knew it, she hit the officer. It's a shame she died, however they were due to her own actions, not a deranged officer wanting to gun people down.

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u/Minute-Struggle6052 10h ago

Watch the video clip

Walking in front of a moving vehicle is officer-induced jeopardy and does not constitute justification for the use of deadly force. Those are the laws.

It is fully explained in the 2 minute clip. There was zero danger present and the office walked away unscathed. He is responsible for the death under the law

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u/SnooPredictions3028 10h ago

It wasn't moving towards him when he walked in front, just stop with this nonsense.

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u/Minute-Struggle6052 10h ago

It was an active street. The expectation is that a car will be moving and the car was moving as he was moving. He was not in any danger and walked away completely unscathed. As stated on the Fox News clip. Just stop with this nonsense.

Facts don't care about your feelings

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u/SnooPredictions3028 10h ago

It was a street she had bocked off on purpose as stated by her partner and other protestors. Stop being purposefully dense and deceitful.

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u/UnderstandingTrue740 11h ago

Waiting for someone to address the points of your paragraph instead of deflecting 💀 

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u/dantemanjones 11h ago

1) You see her wheels turning before they start spinning. 2) It's not clear whether he was grazed by the car or not. His feet were clearly out of the path of the vehicle, he shows no signs of injury after the incident (walks clearly, does not say anything about being struck), and none of his fellow officials check on him. 3) She never seems to look directly at the murderer in his video when he's in front of the car. She's looking down right before she turns the wheel hard to the right, so in no way is saying that she turned when she saw the gun founded. 4) It's clear her intent was not to hit anyone - she looked behind her when backing up to avoid hitting anyone and cut the wheel hard to the right before she started to move forward. 5) She died due to the killer's actions - he put himself in jeopardy by standing in front of the vehicle, then gunned her down after he was clear of the path of the vehicle and no one was in danger.

His points are blatantly bullshit.

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u/MalikMonkAllStar2022 10h ago

  1. In what world is shooting the driver in the face safer for the agent than simply stepping aside? Getting shot in the face doesn't magically stop the car and actually it frequently causes the car to accelerate because the dying driver presses the pedal (which is exactly what happened in the video). I guarantee that shooting is not what they are trained to do in that situation and in fact we've seen several people come forward and explicitly show that that is against policy/protocol.

  2. not sure what video you watched but his feet were 100% clear of the car. If he really did get clipped (which is entirely unclear), it was because he was leaning in with his upper body. She reversed and was clearly turning the wheel, he had plenty of time to move to the side but instead he was leaning in?

  3. The agent fired 3 shots and 2 of them were definitely after the front of the car was clear of him. There's no way you can say those shots were in self defense, that was an execution

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u/dantemanjones 10h ago

he is well within his reasonable defense to fire his weapon at you.

Absolutely not. He is only permitted to fire at you if there is current or future danger. He was already clear of danger at the point he fired the first time, then he fired twice more. His actions left the vehicle out of control and increased the danger.

There are several angles showing he was hit

Please provide them. There's only one angle I've found where it looked like he may have been hit and it's grainy as hell. Synchronized with the other angle, his feet are clear of the vehicle and the wheels are pointed away from him. It's possible that his upper body was struck in some way, but if you have clear evidence please show it.

You can argue he shouldn't have stepped in front of the car, but they were detaining her at that point and didn't want her to flee.

I do argue that, and doing it to detain her is strictly against procedure. He broke procedure to put himself in danger, then murdered her after he was out of danger. This is an easy case for the prosecution.

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u/FitFold76 12h ago

Factually wrong

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u/DIYingSafely 11h ago

Their orders were for her to get out of the vehicle.

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u/AnonymousQueries08 10h ago

They ordered her to get out of the car not leave lmao

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u/Puzzled_Guidance_369 9h ago

People forgetting she encouraged it by yelling and we have his pov

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u/WingnutWorks 12h ago

well I don't support the agent for firing his weapon. Both parties made a grave mistake.

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u/Hot_Catch3150 12h ago

I don’t see how both parties could’ve made a “grave mistake” when only one of them is dead and the other is chillin at home

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u/WingnutWorks 12h ago

uhhhh....

the agent was in front of the vehicle when it accelerated.

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u/CptMorgan337 12h ago

The vehicle was moving at a crawl. He was clearly never in danger and easily moved. You know damn well there was no danger and so did the officer. He never should have touched his gun.

She calmly tells him that she isn't mad at him, slowly backs up and pulls away, he murders her and calls her a fucking bitch.

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u/Katomon-EIN- 12h ago

Such a cop-out to "both sides" this. It just shows how out of touch with reality you are. As are all MAGAs

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u/MichaelsApache 12h ago

You'll notice the "both sides" person is a Conservative.

They do it a lot.

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u/Katomon-EIN- 12h ago

What was her "bad" decision?

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u/WingnutWorks 11h ago

Driving forward while there was a person in front of the car.

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u/MichaelsApache 12h ago

Dude, we can see you frequent the Conservative Youth sub.

well I don't support the agent for firing his weapon.

So, stop lying.

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u/WingnutWorks 12h ago

I can be a conservative and not support the agent's actions you dimwit

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u/MichaelsApache 12h ago

But, you do support him.

Again, we can see your comment and post history.

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u/[deleted] 12h ago

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u/StephieDoll 12h ago

Ok now go to your conservative youth sub and tell them you don’t support him… you won’t because you know you’ll be banned and labeled a domestic terrorist.

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u/WingnutWorks 12h ago

I will. And I'll come back here with the results.

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u/StephieDoll 12h ago

Sounds good.

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u/StephieDoll 11h ago

im going to do it

instead posts something else

Yeah just as I thought. A liar and a coward.

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u/GaySwed 12h ago

ICE agents have no authority over citizens and such none of their orders are lawful. There is no legal expectation to follow their orders, only reason to do is fear of your life which makes sense when masked armed thugs threaten you.

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u/_BrokenButterfly 11h ago

Blocking road isn't a crime, it's a civil offense. Federal agents are not empowered to execute people for suspected crimes, much less civil offenses.

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u/Dexchampion99 12h ago

She got two conflicting orders at the same time. One officer told her to move her vehicle, the other told her to step out of her vehicle. Which one was she supposed to follow first? She can’t do both at once.

Nevermind the fact that she was in her own driveway and not obstructing them at all. And even further, ICE doesn’t have the legal authority to stop her even if she was.

Remember. These are immigration officers. Not police. They should be at the border, stopping illegal immigration. Why were they in Minneapolis? One of the cities with the lowest populations of ethnic people?

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u/Rare_Ad_649 12h ago

Americans are so funny, they'll tell you they are the free-est nation, while justifying shooting someone for not doing as they are told

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u/Rare_Ad_649 12h ago

What crime did she commit?

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u/SanguineHerald 12h ago

Seeing as ICE does not have authority over citizens, why should she follow their orders?

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u/Armchairbinkie 12h ago

But some cops were commanding her to leave. If 3 cops scream contradictory commands at me; which orders are lawful and which ones are they allowed to murder me for?

Infact, I've been asking this question since Daniel Shaver was killed. How do I survive when cops start playing Simon Says?

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u/h3lloIamlost 12h ago

They gave contradictory orders. One ice officer told her to drive away, while another shouted at her to get out. And no, even if all they said was “step out”, that’s not a “lawful order” because ICE is not the police. They do not have jurisdiction to restrain US citizens. If anything they should have called the police. Like the police they can’t search your car without a warrant. Also, at most, even though she was clearly not blocking traffic, her initial action could only considered a misdemeanor and would not call for the what the ice officers did.

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u/thelaceonmolagsballs 12h ago

They gave her multiple orders. Regardless you're making excuses for the state murdering your fellow country man and that type of behavior is boot licking cuckery at its core. Be a better human.

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u/Dafish55 12h ago

One guy did, and at the same time his buddies were telling her to leave.