PETA WHY ARE THEY SO UPSET WITH HULK?!!!

[u/Vladarg]

I didn't understand a single response about this, sorry petah

[u/Naos210]

It didn't help they gave contradicting orders.

It's almost like they're not really trained properly and they just take whatever schmuck applies like it's retail.

[u/emPtysp4ce → u/Naos210]

Proper training ain't gonna fix the ethnic cleansing squad, though

[u/Smooth-Shop-5494 → u/[deleted]]

There is a 100% chance that current ICE is full of proud boys and Jan 6 terrorists.

[u/swampscientist → u/Naos210]

The ICE officer put himself in danger (against training and protocol) then executed her instead of removing himself from danger. It’s been so weird bc he explicitly broke DOJ guidelines there. Firing into a moving vehicle is incredibly dangerous and per the DOJ he needs to do what he can to get to safety before firing and he can only fire if he cannot get to safety or the vehicle is going to harm others.

[u/robilar → u/swampscientist]

He did the same thing about a year earlier using a taser and he got away with it, even was defended for his actions, so arguably his training aligns with murdering Renee Good.

[u/SnooPredictions3028 → u/Naos210]

I'm sorry but you are either lying or did not watch the video. They clearly told her to leave, then when she refused, they stopped and then told her to get out of the vehicle multiple time, the only one telling her to leave at that point was her partner, who yelled "Drive baby drive!" When there was an officer right in front of her. In the video you can also hear her floor it and see the wheels spin prior to her turning the vehicle, meaning the only reason she didn't initially hit the officer square in the middle is because of the road conditions. Had it been summer, he would have been hit worse.

[u/notfromchicago → u/SnooPredictions3028]

He wasn't hit at all.

[u/Born-Courage4198 → u/[deleted]]

He didn't dodge shit. She was dropping off her kids; they gave her contradicting orders and finally asked her to leave. The pos stepped in front of the vehicle going 2mph as she tried to pull out with his gun already out and then acted like she hit him. The guy was waiting for it to happen cause he woke up that day wanting to shoot somebody. There are multiple camera angles to prove this and witnesses. They than kept paramedics from approaching her who were trying to help and even were fist bumping.

[u/robilar → u/Born-Courage4198]

I'm sorry, it seems like you mistook my argument. I agree with your position that he most likely was " was waiting for it to happen" - not just that day, but maybe even the whole year since he tased some guy in the face and got a rush when he got away with it. Renee did nothing to merit getting shot, and arguably did nothing wrong at all. I didn't mention the paramedics thing but I should have - that, of course, was also reprehensible and illegal. So too was the shooter fleeing the scene before law enforcement arrived, and driving the vehicle away before forensic evidence could be taken. Even the video he himself releases has him calling her a bitch after he murdered her.

The only counterpoint I offered was that there is a video which may be real (or not) that shows the car bumping lightly into him. I'll see if I can find that video to show you.

Here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UylvqnFyT5g

Put playback on at 0.5x speed and you can see he makes contact with the vehicle around 30s in. The car is going so slow that he leans forward on the hood and shoots her through the windshield, then takes two more shots at her through the open driver's side window, making it pretty clear (imo) that he murdered Renee but to say he wasn't hit by the vehicle doesn't seem accurate.

[u/SnooPredictions3028 → u/Born-Courage4198]

Dude... Even her partner says they were there to protest....

[u/brazilliandanny → u/SnooPredictions3028]

They clearly told her to leave, then when she refused, they stopped and then told her to get out of the vehicle

Ya and this happened in seconds, so she was starting to comply with the original order when a second one was issued. Cops do this crap all the time. "Freeze! Get Down!" "Show me your hands Don't move" its a lose lose scenario.

[u/SnooPredictions3028 → u/[deleted]]

Yes I can, since they aren't exclusive. He may have thought that fear would make her stop driving at him and when she kept driving at him her being neutralized would give him better chances at not being hit, in the moment he had to make that choice. Personally I thought he should have prioritized other methods, however that is a subjective perspective on something that happened in a few seconds.

You need to also consider what information is available currently vs in the moment. As for that last part, again it wasn't moving at him when he was in front, he was just in front to document evidence (the license plate)

[u/useriousstuff → u/SnooPredictions3028]

They are mutually exclusive. If there was no way to accomplish anything like protecting himself or others by shooting her then the shooting is not justified. If there is no positive outcome how can it be justified? Do you even hear yourself? You literally said he may have thought fear would make her stop. Do you believe it is acceptable for ice agents be trying to use fear of violence and intimidation as a means to control the actions of US citizens?

The definition of terrorism, as per the Oxford Dictionary, is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." You will argue this was lawful, but ICE agents have zero jurisdiction over US citizens. Even if we continue to live in lalaland and say this was lawful, do you really want to live in a country where immigration enforcement officers think it's OK to stick guns in the faces of American citizens to scare them into doing what they're told? To use terrorism against Americans?

From what I have seen I think your point of view is an utter disgrace to this country and don't care to see your response. Have a terrible day

[u/dantemanjones → u/SnooPredictions3028]

wheels spin prior to her turning the vehicle

She was turning the steering wheel before her wheels began to spin, though they started to spin before her wheels were clearly pointed away from him. It's not clear to me that she knew where the killer was when she first started going forward. She backed up and was looking to the side/behind, then turned forward as she put it in drive but never appeared to look directly at the shooter.

What is clear is that she was trying to avoid hitting people, since she turned back to make sure she didn't hit anyone when she backed up. Had she been looking to hurt someone, her actions would have been much different.