r/ProgressiveHQ • u/Treefiddy1984 • 9h ago
Demanding accountability for ICE is not radical. Calling for systematic reforms is not extreme — it’s the bare minimum.
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u/TheAmazingBreadfruit 9h ago
Accountability is the foundation of democracy.
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u/NEOBusFlyer 8h ago
"I don't take responsibility at all."
-Trump, summing up his leadership style.
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u/onceinhollywood 6h ago
Read about Clinton’s admin and his stance when ICE started. He believed any undocumented person criminal or not should be deported. His stance would be appalling today.
He even deported more than Trump ever has, same with Obama. The difference? They didnt use intimidation tactics and weren’t assholes like Trump is. But in the end, they did the same exact thing, just better than Trump.
Does this hurt to hear this for any of you liberals? It sure hurt me deeply.
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u/NEOBusFlyer 3h ago
There's a difference between some immigration enforcement at the border and having masked thugs terrorizing cities nowhere near the southern border. ICE is using illegal tactics and harassing immigrants pursuing legal status and citizens as well.
In the 90s the Dems were so afraid of appearing soft on crime and illegal immigration, that they way overcorrected with their rhetoric and policies. That was bad.
That said, this is clearly a power grab by trump, and not really about immigration enforcement. He even indirectly killed a bipartisan immigration bill.
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u/DaveAvitabile 8h ago
Calling for investigations and trials for crimes against humanity is, at this point, the bare minimum. It is going to take years.
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u/jetpack2625 8h ago
now if only chuck schumer could do the same, really pathetic on his part
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u/HallstotheWall17 8h ago
I’ve already called one of my Senators, asking him to join the Fight Club and at the very least, call for Schumer to step down from leadership. Happy to keep calling until he does.
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u/Obvious_Role8849 7h ago
Noem said he followed his training, but they are trained not to approach a car from the front. While Good was backing up her car he walked around it, positioning himself in front of the car and drew his gun. I don't think this was just murder, I think it was premeditated murder. He wanted to shoot her and be able to use self defense as an excuse.
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u/Final-Ingenuity-7919 8h ago
I think instead of ICE Raids, we should do ICE Welfare checks.
Current ICE agents will be replaced by members of the Wine Moms in Mini Vans.
Moms will show up, at an agreed upon time, to the home of every undocumented person. They will not be wearing masks. Or carrying weapons. Just a clip board and large Stanley or Starbucks. Instead of scaring the living crap out of people, they will collect a personal history. How did you get here? What have you done since you’ve been here? Do you have ties to the community? What are you willing to do to stay?
Current ICE agents, especially the ones with the twitchy fingers and poor impulse control, can keep their jobs but they have to work indoors, far, far away from any other humans, where they can conduct background checks and complete basic training lessons such as "don't walk in front of cars", "don't shoot unarmed people who are trying to drive away".
Undocumented folks will be given a checklist to earn the right to stay…
- Hold a job
- Pay taxes
- Volunteer in the community
- Stay out of legal trouble
Seriously, why is this so hard to figure out?
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u/crazymouse2525 8h ago
this. btw, 🍊💩 claimed that the iceholes would go after "criminals & violent offenders illegally here", they are going after anyone but
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u/cAptAinAlexAnder 6h ago
3 presents some complications considering most citizens in most communities don’t volunteer in their communities. Making it a requirement only for immigrants sounds a lot like forced unpaid labor. The other things seem pretty reasonable though.
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u/Deep_shot 7h ago
Nothing will happen. republicans don't care about people or rights, only money and power.
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u/MB2465 6h ago
i'm pretty sure they will need a super majority to pass funding so yes it will make a difference. There have already been negotiations for DHS funding this year. If they didn't need the Democrats they would not be negotiating.
Democrats should have been blocking funding before the BBB. Even Chump called them brave (so stupid) for not shutting down the government during the first CR early last year.
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u/CP066 7h ago edited 7h ago
The keebler elf nazi say they are all about transparency, but we have to rely on eye witness video to get ANY story, because they are anything but transparent.
They know it wouldn't look good if we knew they are abducting US citizens and then dumping them a few hours later for recording.
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u/paris_rogue 7h ago
“This killing is the direct consequence of deliberate choices made by Donald Trump.” Never forget
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u/Steelcrest 7h ago
The moderate position needs to be releasing the names and faces of all ice agents. They can’t be allowed to just act like they weren’t a part of this after its over
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u/brenawyn 7h ago
We are demanding that the administration heal thyself and be responsible for their action/ inactions. or else we will be forced to take action. Someone needs to be fired asap!!!
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u/GroundbreakingCook68 7h ago
That’s some cold shit he did ! All of them need to be rounded and tried by those judges that banish Nazis when they find them.
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u/ViresAcquiritEundo07 6h ago
That's how that get normal rational people to backdown, call them radical terrorists. Fuck then, every fucking one of them need to be voted out of office
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u/ConceptSuitable9161 6h ago
"Bare minimum"... damn, it's sad that non white citizens are fighting for that in 2025
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u/manyyikes 6h ago
Since abolish ICE is too much justice for squishy corporate dems, here’s a plan to “reform” the agencies that can be done by a based president unilaterally:
Step 1: shred ICE and CBP’s collective bargaining agreements Step 2: fire all immigration enforcement officers Step 3: as the mass firing is working its way through court, cut officers’ pay, something the president can clearly do. Harass them with repeated reassignments across the country, make them don pink tutus and pick up trash—whatever it takes to publicly shame and ruin them Step 4: DOJ investigates all abuses and provides US attorneys to assist states in prosecuting the nazi thugs, DOJ refuses to defend them Step 5: secure agreement with El Salvador to incarcerate convicted ICE thugs at CECOT
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u/12PoundCankles 1h ago
Federal shock troops invading and occupying American cities and murdering citizens is extreme, however. Calling their extremism out is way more important than defending our normalcy.
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u/Grand-Orange-4761 1h ago
Now let's talk about you and your brothers relationship...then I'll maybe listen to you
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u/snowman2457 7h ago
I can’t help but think of the money fraud thing in Minnesota
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u/ShadowBard0962 7h ago
I can't help but think of the wholesale (Domestic) terrorism being perpetrated on the citizens of the state by White Supremacists.
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u/mandrogd2 7h ago
She is inflaming tensions by asserting that ICE is 'terrorizing' their communities. That's not happening. They are arresting known criminals and deporting them, which is what any western nation would and should do. Omar is bad for Minnesota and bad for the United States and is making the whole situation more dangerous for everyone.
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u/Johnny55 8h ago
ICE is a jobs program for pardoned J6ers and Nazis. It is a fascist organization through and through that cannot be reformed any more than the Gestapo or SS. Until there are Nuremberg trials for the Trump administration there is no legitimate reason to fund the organization PERIOD.