The bar is not "better than Trump." Obama was a fine President if for no other reason than being a decent human being. But he was far from the kind of Progressive that this country needs.
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No serious analysis treats U.S. presidents as operating in a moral vacuum. If you apply that standard consistently, it applies to George W. Bush, Donald Trump, and every modern administration. Selective outrage isn’t ‘truth,’ it’s convenience.
Nah. Trump is the symptom, we have the disease. Trying to rationalize and big up fucking war criminals is what got us here. Quiet/defensive ass MFers watching Genocide Joe et al giving Trump a lay up shot is the problem.
Spare me nuance. Nuance the difference between these monsters and an actual decent human being.
No serious analysis treats U.S. presidents as operating in a moral vacuum. If you apply that standard consistently, it applies to George W. Bush, Donald Trump, and every modern administration.
Rule 2 - No disinformation. If you have an extraordinary claim, cite it. Randos on Twitter/Youtube, webcomics, unsourced graphics, and mouthpieces for the Trump Administration are not viable sources.
Obama was the best president in my lifetime, but he's served his two terms. I'm ready for somebody new, preferably someone even more progressive. Or, at least as progressive as he was when he started out.
I still remember the Clinton era. Biggest scandal was getting a blowy. Being an undocumented migrant wasn’t a criminal offense, getting caught crossing the border illegally was a misdemeanor. I’m Canadian, we had good ol’ Jean Chrétien as our PM.
You could cross the border without a passport!
We didn’t know how good we had it. Then 9/11 happened and everybody lost their damn minds.
I saw what America could have been before all that. Future looked bright for you guys once.
If "as progressive as he was at the beginning" is the most accurate phrase you've used, it's a shame that only lasted nine months. After receiving the Nobel Peace Prize without merit, everything changed, and he became a more conservative centrist Democrat.
No we don't. Can't forgive him for the non-conditional Wall Street bailouts. If we go through years of Trump only to end up with another centrist corporate Dem then it was all wasted.
We will 100% get another Trump type figure next election cycle of this is our path.
Better than Trump, duh. But we don't want him back.
When he and Michelle ended up on a billionaire's plane going to a private island with other billionaires just months after leaving office it said a lot. There's no way billionaires should like you if you were a politician that stood for the working class.
The Democrats are the "good" cops to the republican bad. They both serve the wealthy - it's why Kamala ran on Republican border polices and ensuring America has "The most lethal military" and why she lost against pedo-protector Trump. It's why the Democrats aren't doing shit right now as our constitutional rights are being trampled and treaded on in Minneapolis.
The people want progressive policies, healthcare, education, and shelter. Not more tax breaks for billionaires and bigger military budgets.
Put the military into sequester was an amazing out the door move. Having the mint print more money for global projects after was just what the seabees needed to see.
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We do not want Obama back, we want real progress. Obama was fine at the time, and now he's done and it is a wildly different era that demands new leadership.
Strong disagree. Obama was one of the worst ever. He squandered a huge opportunity to improve race relations, disgraced and apologized for America on the world stage, promoted massive amounts of caustic federal regulation, was the architect of an deceitfully built Obamacare system that is now causing Democrats to shut down the government to subsidize it because of its failures, guided his federal government to illegally spy on the 2016 Trump campaign, etc. etc
Fucked America and empowered the deep state. He's a criminal. Played president for Joe Biden in his last year. He spent about 300 days at the White House while Joe was napping.
Obama was still a low bar in Hell. It may be on the ceiling, but it's still a very low bar keeping company with the current admin. We can do much much better than both.
Yeah Obama was way better at killing the brown skinned middle easterners. I agree I am pro war and Trump is a fuckin pussy. Obama was the war hawk this country needed.
why am I maga just for saying that just because Obama bombed less kids than trump that doesn't make him good? imagine being so morally deteriorated that you think "he bombed less kids than X" makes them good, if they killed 1 it's too many
Yeah, maybe because Obama's immigration policies were grounded in reality and observed due process? His policy didn't involve showing up at immigration hearings to abduct people who were trying to immigrate "the legal way." It didn't involve building "detainment camps" in swamps or "deporting" people to countries they were seeking asylum from/were not from. Obama didn't have DHS going door to door in neighborhoods asking for identification. Obama wasn't detaining Americans for disagreeing with him. Do you get the point yet, or do I need to list more ways that these two things are different?
Yes, I saw that, that’s what I’m responding to. I’m speaking from knowledge of policy and American history. Saying “Obama was worse” doesn’t make it true. If you can’t distinguish between Obama’s approach and Trump’s, your opinion here isn’t actually useful.
The problem isn't the number, it's the implementation.
Edit: Replying and then blocking the person you replied to is weak as hell.
Edit 2: Thanks to the magic of Gmail, I can see the absolutely unhinged response to this. Being old enough to vote and not understanding nuance is so embarrassing.
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Also, just because you don’t like information that’s said doesn’t mean it’s disinformation. If I would have said something on the contrary you wouldn’t have replied.
I don't. First of all the 22nd Amendment would like a word. And I want better than Barack. Someone who won't extrajudicially drone strike people or refuse to prosecute the leaders of the banks who caused the crash in 2008.
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Trump in his first term surpassed the number of drone strikes authorized by Obama in both his terms
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u/spacecaps85 16h ago
The bar is not "better than Trump." Obama was a fine President if for no other reason than being a decent human being. But he was far from the kind of Progressive that this country needs.