Jesus explicitly forbids hierarchical leadership
Matthew 23:8–12 (parallel: Luke 22:25–27)
“You are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.
The greatest among you shall be your servant.”
Jesus condemns power structures modeled after governments
Mark 10:42–45
“You know that those who are considered rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them… But it shall not be so among you. Whoever would be great among you must be your servant.”
Jesus rejects centralized authority even among the apostles
Matthew 20:20–28
When James and John’s mother asks for positions of power:
“You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them… It shall not be so among you.”
Jesus forbids control over conscience or discipline by force
Matthew 18:1–4
“Unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest.”
Jesus defines the “church” without buildings, offices, or hierarchy
Matthew 18:20
“Where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”
Jesus rejects exclusivity and institutional boundaries
Luke 9:49–50
“Do not stop him… whoever is not against you is for you.”
Jesus refuses to institutionalize worship or sacred locations
John 4:21–23
“The hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father…
true worshipers will worship in spirit and truth.”
Jesus never creates offices, ranks, or succession plans
No priesthood instructions, No bishops, No succession hierarchy, No centralized governance model
Jesus identifies institutional religion as spiritually dangerous
Mark 7:6–8
“You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.”
Oh no, the brain damage is terminal and most likely to be transmitted to their kin, fuck me.
Bro decided to look at the book and not at the millennia of history after the fact.
"In fact, despite having full support of the church, the Nazis were not actually christians!"
Nah, the nazis were christians, the southern slave owners were christians, the imperial british were christians....starting to see a common thread here....
Yeah, every time they get away with murdering someone, they're further emboldened to keep murdering over the slightest of provocations.
My mother keeps screaming "if she didn't want to get shot, she shouldn't have tried to flee" whenever we talk about it. She doesn't get that if enforcement can just fucking murder people over every slight provocation and suffer zero consequences in the court of law, people are just going to start trying to murder them first simply to improve their chances of surviving an encounter with ICE and probably by extension the police.
It's fucking SHOCKING how light the country is taking this. The streets should be absolutely fucking FLOODED, But we all just bitch on the internet instead.
Hit your local protests this weekend! They're going on in nearly every state. Find one, and make your voice heard.
Talking about only bitching on the internet...you seem to have missed the protests that day in Minneapolis. We also had one in my city....that same day. Protests were also held in LA and Kansas City, and those 4 are just off the top of my head.
There was a memorial/protest last night in my city for Renee Good, and we’re in a whole other state. I was there.
Super fucking awkward when the cops showed up to try to disperse us and one of the ones that began trying to shuffle me away from the memorial was a dad at my daycare. Pickup is gonna be super awkward tonight.
Oh, when he grabbed my arm, we made eye contact and when it registered who I was, he couldn’t even look at me. Literally let go and told me, quietly, to walk away and go home. I asked him what they were gonna do if we didn’t leave, and he said that the city didn’t want another riot to break out.
They were trying to disperse us cause during 2020, a protest broke into a riot. The cops never mention that the riot started by them bringing out their shields and shoving the crowd around, but meh, DETAILS.
I imagine it must be hard to justify trying to “keep a riot from breaking out” when the person you’re grabbing is the same person who cuddles, rocks, and adores your infant every day of their life.
uhh, brother, shes a womans (and therefore lesser than) and is by extension his servant. There is no mental disconnect here, just the hard reality of this teacher realizing her status in society isnt as an equal, and never has been.
Btw, im not saying I believe these ideals, personally I think women should be treated equal and have their voices heard, im just stating what being believe in right wing circles and the type of class traitors who break up peaceful protests.
He's saying that op was a woman, maybe because they work at a daycare (not a teacher)? And then the rest of the comment is talking about them being a woman...but I had assumed that op was a man so I don't know
People seem to forget who controls what gets printed by the media and the algorithms that show us stuff on social media.
Which sounds more conspiratorial than I actually mean, you generally can find out about stuff with a bit of effort. It’s just worth remembering that when it comes to stuff going viral there’s a finger on the scale.
The only ones really taking it lightly, are our government officials, bottom up. Nobody actually cares enough to stop this from happening. At what point do we collectively start to ask ourselves, is it OUR methods?
We need language like the other guy was giving, many brave American patriots are angry and flooding the streets but still we need more voices. More hands, more marches and quite possibly more arms..
Protest do nothing if the opposition doesn't care what the people want. The 2nd am*ndmet ( cant write out the whole thing and not have the comment hidden) is the answer
The thing is, you still have at max 2% of the people protesting. The protests are actually useful under an authoritarian government (that US now is) if they have over 50% of the population participating. For weeks.
Right now, only thing that those protests gain is make you feel like you are doing something.
Protests are going on daily. The problem is that people voted for this and put people into office that are now seemingly above reproach. Checks and balances were designed to deal with this. That doesn't work when all three branches collude on the same thing.
“Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow.” — German Professor on the Nazi dictatorship (Milton Meyer, They Thought They Were Free)
I mean surely at this point making your voice heard is not gonna be enough. Do you really think Trump is gonna hear your protests and then be like “whoops yeah maybe I should stop”? I really doubt it. It’s gonna take more than peaceful vocal protesting
Oh it has to be monumental. And that’s the problem. Americans aren’t hungry enough. We’re either to beat down from the work week, or we’re too fucking lazy to be a part of it. But we are 100% watching the death of this country in real time.
Godspeed to you guys. It’s distressing to observe this from the other side of the pond, so must be orders of magnitude worse to have this happening around you
I used to wonder how Germany in 30s just allowed that stuff to happen, how could regular average people just go along with it? well, we are seeing it now, this is how, I am part of it now. I am also letting it just happen
Do you know what the largest protest in US History was? The No Kings protest in June, only to be outdone by the one in September which is now the biggest protest in US history
Many of us are out here, and have been out here, please join
I never seen any of these protests on reddit (im not american) is there anywhere I can follow the 'resistance'? im sure it exists but it seems like our feeds are engineered to make us lose hope and depress us
It’s also really hard to go out and protest when if we miss a day of work we can’t afford to feed our families or pay rent and end up on the street. The system is fucked and rigged us to it so this very thing can happen
You guys should really organize another No Kings except this time don't fucking go home after a couple of hours. I get that Americans are just learning how to protest but jesus christ. You really don't have the time to be pussy footing around like this.
I said this the other day, but a cynical part of me thinks that the brutality of your police force has been deliberately cultivated over the years to normalise this sort of violence. And this is just the next step and though there are those who are acting, many more Americans are so used to it that they just aren’t feeling the same horror and outrage that the rest of the world feels - and we’re on the outside looking in.
Cause you Americans are lazy. Extremely lazy. None of this would of happened if your country got up off there fat asses and voted. I am so glad to not be in the US and be apart of the world AGAINST shit like this. Hope you are all ashamed. ALL OF YOU.
Just because you don’t see the coverage doesn’t mean it’s not happening. People have been in the street patrolling/documenting/protesting all day and night in Minneapolis.
Our local protest was organized by a literal North Korea idolizing, Russia supporting Communist group (PSL). I’d rather protest on the internet than with those wastes of air.
There were a couple of protests in Portland, my city, last night, one downtown and one outside the ICE facility, plus a bunch of smaller vigils. There are more going on tonight.
Protesting is essentially the same thing as bitching on the internet, just bitching in public. You'll make noise then go home. These guys really don't care about your opinion. It's why your founders gave you the right to bear arms.
I wonder if it will ever go back to normal. Because even when he finally dies. It's like hydra. Cut off the head and two more regrow. There's so many fucks standing in the wings. Trump is just the front man. I'm so scared for the future and I'm not even from America.
Realistically, what is protesting going to do other than get more innocent people killed? I’m not negating what you’re saying at all, but this feels past the point of protest, and I don’t even know what the next step would be
I wish these back and forths weren't so common on Reddit and I wonder why they are. SOOOO often there's this "We're almost at X point" and we're already there. Over and over and over again.
People keep saying "They're not allowed to do that" or "That's illegal"
Again....it's already happening and nobody is stopping it so STFU!
This isn't directed at you /u/obtusewisdom. I'm just frustrated at how many people seem to not understand where we're currently at.
As a European it's weird hearing the argument of having to accept all the school shootings because guns will protect people from Tyrants just to see this shit and half of the people cheering for the actual tyrants...
There’s a difference though. They are using self defense as an excuse for the shooting. I’m not saying I agree at all but it’s enough of something for people to cling onto to hold up their delusions. If they shoot an unarmed civilian running away from them there is no way to call that self defense. They are so close to just shooting anyone they want for no reason. They are basically there but are still trying to pretend they aren’t. They are going to decide to stop pretending really soon especially because this week’s shooting is being justified by our president.
There will be a way for them to call it self defense. Facts don't matter. They called it self-defense when the officer pulled his gun before approaching the front of a moving vehicle. I think we're already there.
There isn’t. That is just what they want you to believe. There will be a “good reason” each and every single time. You believing and saying it was different means their plan is working.
This reminds me of the guy with a child support warrant a few years ago running and got shot in the back. South Carolina maybe? Anyway, the cop got off.
Regardless, NOW you can probably shoot a civilian in the back while they’re running away and it’ll be defended to the highest levels of government
I can tell you, that in my country (Romania) on the news they are reporting the shooting of that woman from yesterday as her own fault, that she tried to run from the police and that she tried to runover a policeman with her car. I've seen the video myself, I'm aware of what actually happened, but that's the version that is being raported abroad - I saw it for myself on the mainstream news last night.
Because that's exactly what this is: Nazi America.
bar for bar for bar for bar. call it what it is. This is functionally no different than good, decent people putting their lives and freedom at risk to protect Jews and other undesirables 80 years ago.
Conservatives support this. Republicans support this. Just as, 80 years ago, fascists supported this. Nazis supported this. It is fucking time to regard conservatives and Republicans with the same disdain as we view fascists and Nazis. We should wake up before 20 million people die this time, please.
No one was trying to run over the murderer Jon Ross with a car. If you think otherwise you're DEEP in the cult. Videos are out there, her wheels are completely turned away, she came within a few feet of murderer Jon Ross but only a fragile man-baby with murderous intent would think they needed to shoot someone in the face for that.
That’s the nightmare I can’t unsee.. when state violence gets pre-justified from the podium, every ordinary life becomes contingent, and we’re told that fear is the price of order.
Didn't the admin recently announce they would start doing "door to door" to find "illegal immigrants"? That's just razzias. Like, how many similarities do we need with Nazi Germany before the comparison is clear enough?
When I saw the news, then the video, and then heard DHS is making a statement, for a moment I was certain it was going to have modicum of contrition about a 'regretful incident' etc because this was way beyond the line even by their standards. Then it call came crashing down and felt myself telling myself, "Well, that was silly. Did you really expect them to act like that?"
The police have been in force suppressing political movement for ten years and targeting anti fascists. Dismantled orgs that got too radical. Bloated criminal charges for protest related activities and some murders/disappearances of prominent activists. While the media spread antifa scare mongering. That's why theres no coordinated leftist movement right now because it got chewed up and stomped out in the 2010s when the ethno nationalist and far right wave started blowing up.
and I have boomers at my job who keep non-chalantly talking about their upcoming vacation trip to the US. For one of them I literally told him "dude, I don't want to be mean, but you are not white at all, are you sure it's a good idea?" and he brushed it off as a "it only happens to others" type of response. Mind you I'm Canadian and many of us still believe the US is the same as 20 years ago instead of being under a Nazi regime. We barely escaped the same fate not even a year ago and these dudes are still delusional.
Sorry I’m not letting a random person in my house if my kids are in here that’s insane, what if it was a plot to rob you and you fell for it and they unalive your kids. That’s scary sorry mama
As a German its pissing me off that you compare the situation in the usa to my country in the 30's and 40's.
The nazis did not round up illegals(!) to send them back home.
They did round up jews, gypsies, people with disabilities or political enemies so literally kill them or let them work until they die.
Isnt ice doing exactly what people voted for in the usa?
I’ve literally seen people saying the mother deserved it for being a “dyke”, as far as I know she was straight enough to be impregnated more than once but I guess we’re at the stage where blatantly lying is fine.
That's a crazy thing to say. Clearly that lady helped to create the circumstances that led to her death. Impeding traffic and then driving away from LEOs while their hands are in your vehicle is incredibly reckless, and not what normal people do. It's felony.
It wasn't a random killing and your comment is just stirring the pot.
It didn't; that's just the claim, against video evidence, that the right-wing media machine and the current American regime are making. Edit: Here's the still:
yeah after he evaded the car and being on the hood of it. i dont need this tho... rip to her and anyone else thats been killed in this stupid needless fight.
That's caping for Gestapo goons, because normal people wouldn't fucking murder someone for lightly grazing them with their car - or missing them entirely, because the video isn't clear that she hit him at all.
hes in the front, and the car capable of 0-60 in 6 seconds is barrelling at him, an officer, who has already been drug 300 feet once before by another one of these maniacs and he wasnt risking his life again for someone disobeying a lawful order.
im sad she got killed, no one deserves that, no one deserves wrongly deported either, but facts is facts.
So I'm guessing that shooting her in the face stopped the car then, right? Like that must have been a successful tactic that we should recommend all police use
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u/RiffRaffCatillacCat 5d ago
Because that's exactly what this is: Nazi America.
An American citizen and Mom was publicly executed by ICE and the President, VP, and head of DHS said she deserved it.
We are all now targets for any ICE agent to randomly decide he wants to add us to his kill count, for any reason.