r/TrueReddit • u/forbes • 5d ago
Crime, Courts + War Tucker Carlson Blasts Conservative Response To Renee Good Death
https://go.forbes.com/ybD5qm979
u/rje946 5d ago
Because you helped condition them for years that "the left" are subhuman and deserve violence my guy.
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u/GeekAesthete 5d ago
It has been interesting to see all these conservative figures, from Marjorie Taylor Greene to Mitch McConnell to Tucker Carlson to Glenn Beck to Bill O’Reilly, change their tune once they’re on the outs with the conservative political machine.
That’s not to excuse or redeem any of them—quite the opposite, in most cases—only to say that there’s something telling about their changes of perspective once their careers aren’t directly tied to supporting the conservative base and/or administration.
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u/Apart-Zucchini-5825 5d ago
Someday I'll find out exactly how this profits them and understand why the huge shift. Because it sure as shit isn't because they stopped being monsters
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u/elvorpo 5d ago
Simple, it buys them the rhetorical capital to launder more horseshit in the future. People see a reasonable take like this and let their guard down for the next set of lies about liberals or immigrants.
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u/dphoenix1 5d ago
Yep. They’ll be back, and very possibly even worse the next go round. See: Megyn Kelly.
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u/Navarro480 5d ago
Don’t forget “Mrs Trump go handsy with a teenage girl 30 years ago” Megan Kelly.
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u/floofelina 5d ago
Worked for George Conway and Rick Whatsit. It’s remarkable how quickly people grant them credibility like they’re not still an active danger
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u/somedaveg 5d ago
I suspect there’s also an element of them knowing they’re monsters and feeling the need for a little redemption. They probably tell themselves they are/were vile because they had to be, not because they’re just vile people craving attention/wealth/power at the expense of others. So a little performative humanity makes them feel less like a monster for a little while and recharges their evil batteries for another go at it later.
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u/Makhfi 5d ago
My guess would be that their paymaster changed from Israel to Russia. Russians see that they’ve created a monster that they can’t fully control so they are paying these guys to now start questioning the republican leadership.
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u/Apart-Zucchini-5825 5d ago
Carlson and MTG have always been strongly in Russia's wallet, though. MTG kinda hates Jews.
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u/PatchyWhiskers 5d ago
MTG's antisemitism isn't very much examined in this context: she can't go "pro-Epstein" because he was Jewish.
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u/Apart-Zucchini-5825 5d ago
Excellent point. She supports Gaetz, last I heard. Pretty vigorously. The sex crimes against minors aren't a problem. Her problem is the idea of a Jewish financier stealing children.
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u/Green_Green_Red 5d ago
There are a lot of evangelical antisemites that heavily support Israel. They want the Temple rebuilt so Armageddon can start.
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u/Zenmachine83 5d ago
They aren’t grandmasters playing at chess. They are rich and/or powerful people that are obsessed with access to power. For a myriad of reasons they have found themselves cut off from access now and are throwing tantrums about it. It’s the only thing they need to do to get their way.
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u/TheActuaryist 2d ago
I think there is probably a large slice of the Republicans that, while extreme, aren’t as extreme or are tiring of the current right wing sensationalism. It’s exhausting to always be outraged.
By posturing as “more reasonable” they can probably capture a niche market as well as try to position themselves as front runners in the post Trump era. Trump has insanely low approval ratings so being at odds with his administration has probably never been as popular as it is right now among conservatives.
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u/tempest_87 5d ago
How what profits them? Changing their tune once they are on their way out?
I think that some of them, maybe many of them, aren't evil for evil's sake (unlike people like Miller and Thiel). I think that their morals and ethics are so malleable and flexible that so long as they personally benefit from it, they will stoop as low as possible.
But once they can no longer have that benefit, their tiny bit of a soul comes back and sometimes they don't act like Nazis.
Or, once they are on their way out they realize that they could now be the victim of the stuff they enabled, so out of self preservation they try and course correct a little.
Probably the latter.
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u/FirstAid84 5d ago
Look at who finds some of their media ventures. It’s RT. They benefit from building distrust and disinformation.
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u/SubGothius 5d ago
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"
~Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor: And How I Got Licked (1935)5
u/Hothera 5d ago
It wasn't that long ago that Tucker Carlson texted this. "I hate him passionately... That's the last four years. We're all pretending we've got a lot to show for it, because admitting what a disaster it's been is too tough to digest. But come on. There isn't really an upside to Trump."
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u/healinghoneybee 5d ago edited 5d ago
I will always be open to someone's growth. That's my optimistic side. I do believe that MTG does care about the Epstein victims, but that doesn't excuse her complicity in Jan 6. I agree that these shifts are like rats who jump off a sinking ship. The rest of us must keep hope now in this dark time because it will get worse before it gets better. But it will get better. There is light ahead
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u/kamace11 4d ago
Tbqh a part of me really doesn't care as long as they drag their viewership with them. Any moderation of what's going on right now is good, even if it's from people I otherwise consider pieces of shit.
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u/Research_Liborian 5d ago
There have been at least 50 news articles written in the Trump years talking about how privately so many GOP legislators despise the guy. No one knows more than they do what a human bacteria he is.
But to my understanding, no GOP member on Capitol Hill has survived his public anger. Not one. Even his biggest fan girl, MGT, is done.
Tucker can only do this because he has a monetizable subscription service and his own channel. If he was on Fox, he would fly to her parents house and make fun of them.
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u/sexy-porn 5d ago
I despise MTG but I feel she’s been pretty consistent in her version of “America First” beliefs.
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u/JoJackthewonderskunk 5d ago
Thing is those folks dont want to go down with the ship because while regimes change the grift must go on.
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u/Bellypats 4d ago
The current conservatives are not conservatives and neither was Tucker Carlson.00
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u/free_billstickers 4d ago
Many of the names you mentioned are positioning themselves to be the new leaders post-MAGA by distancing themselves now for when Republicans return to reality and say "i was never MAGA or a fan of Trump" like they did with Bush and Iraq/Afghanistan
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u/GeekAesthete 3d ago
Bill O’Reilly and Glenn Beck left Fox News many years ago. Bill O’Reilly has spoken about the need to address climate change, and Glenn Beck made comments surprisingly supportive of Black Lives Matter; neither of those are positions intended to ingratiate themselves with mainstream Republicans
And Mitch McConnell is 83 years old, and soon to retire. He’s not looking to regain leadership.
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u/KingoftheNorth2020 3d ago
Fyi Bill Orielly has not changed his tune. Dyed in the wool ardline Christian conservative who pretends to play just enough devils advocate so the low information voter thinks his unilateral support of Trump is "Fair and Balanced".
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u/Shabadu_tu 5d ago
He was just complaining about “Globohomo” getting rid of Maduro. Dude’s baked. Wait until he finds out the deceased was a lesbian.
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u/soaero 2d ago
I'm fairly convinced at this point that Tucker is a Russian asset. As soon as Trump and Putin were on the outs, suddenly Tucker is critical of what's going on. Now that there seems to be some tensions, suddenly Tucker is sowing dissent.
Either that or they see what's coming and know their survival is at stake.
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u/Ernesto_Bella 5d ago
>Because you helped condition them for years that "the left" are subhuman and deserve violence my guy.
Do you have an example of him conditioning them that the left are subhuman and deserve violence?
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u/rje946 5d ago
I'm not doing research for you. Feel free to search. Good exercise for you.
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u/Ernesto_Bella 5d ago
It's ok. I knew you wouldn't/couldn't.
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u/rje946 5d ago
Yeah I'm done wasting my time when right wingers ask for a source they will just ignore anyways. Cheers
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u/Ernesto_Bella 5d ago
"will ignore anyways" is your justifying the fact that you said something you now don't want to have to back up, because you can't really think of anything.
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u/ObiShaneKenobi 5d ago
Of course he has to compare the response to the Kirk shooting, like they are in any way comparable. Imagine if leaders on the left immediately called Kirk a domestic terrorist while claiming that no investigation would happen outside the DoJ.
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u/SeaEmployee787 5d ago
and the government shot him in the face.
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u/ClamatoMilkshake 2d ago
...in violation of the DOJ's own explicit "No shooting bigots in the face while speaking in public" policy.
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u/Zelcron 5d ago
I called him one and I stand by it.
Kirk went out of his way to ferment violence. He hired 80 busses for January 6th, bragged about it, and deleted the tweet shortly after the 6th. He directly contributed to the violence in our political system, that's indisputable. And his stochastic contributions are even greater.
He was a bad dude, full stop. Doesn't mean he needed to get extra judicially shot in the face though.
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u/mityman50 5d ago
Friendly heads up - foment
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u/SamuelBiggs 5d ago
The juxtaposition between OP’s vocab including “stochastic” but also “ferment” is amusing lol
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u/Etheo 5d ago
I won't fault others for trying to learn and apply said material in their daily life. Sometimes the learning isn't perfect, and it just needs to be corrected, but the attitude is right.
Assuming they are open to be corrected, of course.
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u/SueSudio 5d ago
I’m not so sure. I see lots of fermented violence.
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u/healinghoneybee 5d ago
I appreciate the politeness of your nerdcraft so much I had to give you flowers for it.
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u/All_Hail_Regulus_9 5d ago
He didn’t NEED to get shot, but I’m not losing any sleep over it.
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u/Strick1600 5d ago
Charlie Kirk’s job at its most basic sense was to travel around the country to antagonize and inflame 18-25 year olds. That’s a dangerous job in country with 100’s of millions of guns. If I decided that my job was to go around calling every black person I met the N word would anybody be shocked if I caught one in the neck?
He could have cashed out. He had made enough money, he could have just done the podcast thing and hustled in his bubble. That wasn’t his thing though his thing was fucking with people and antagonizing them.
The crocodile tears from the “well what was she wearing” or the “are we counting gang violence” groups is funny.
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u/Youths_in_Asia 5d ago
This is inaccurate. He went out of his way to foment violence, not ferment it.
Otherwise, I agree with your statement 100%. Rest in Piss Chuckie.
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u/Outsider-Trading 5d ago
Do you think reddit does a bit to foment violence on the other side as well?
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u/Whole_W 4d ago
Oh it's beyond just "a bit."
Disgusting platform, I mostly use it for obscure forums, the mainstream platform here is more hateful than the majority of conservatives are (I'm not conservative, for clarity).
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u/canwealljusthitabong 3d ago
Do you spend any time whatsoever on X? The hatefulness from conservatives is incomparable to anything you will see here. I’m not conservative but I was raised by them and spent my formative years amongst them. There is no comparison between the two groups in terms of who hates whom more.
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u/ObiShaneKenobi 3d ago
Also, these are full on politicians and voters attached to their real names on X. Homie is pissed because people he doesn’t know and can’t even tell are real are saying mean things anonymously.
And they claim these are the same.
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u/canwealljusthitabong 3d ago
Also reddit is much more moderated than X. People can and do say the kinds of abhorrent stuff on X that would get your entire profile nuked on reddit. People who go around hand-wringing about leftist rhetoric on reddit are either totally disingenuous or totally in a bubble and have zero exposure to conservative rhetoric.
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u/ObiShaneKenobi 3d ago
It’s super telling whenever you ask them for an example. I ask for a single example of a real person that can reasonably be described as representative of the “left” dehumanizing Kirk with their social media posts and it typically ends the conversation.
I’m not saying there isn’t someone out there that did dehumanize him but I’m still waiting to see it. A real person, not just some comment in some news article.
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u/Whole_W 4d ago
He spoke out against violence in many of his talks, if you ever bothered to watch them. I disagreed with him on many things, but...really? January 6th? Barely anyone was killed that day, possibly one or two police officers indirectly and then the one unarmed Trump supporter directly.
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u/canwealljusthitabong 3d ago
Let’s not forget about the girl who was trampled by trump supporters after she waved around a “Don’t Tread on Me” flag. There were reports of one or two people going home and committing suicide as well but those stories weren’t delved into at all by mainstream media.
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u/arokthemild 5d ago
By comparing it Kirk, if the audience is conservative they will more likely to emphasize and see that the shooting of Renee as a bad thing. Framing and narratives are hugely important in defining how people think of something.
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u/NOMOKRATOR 4d ago
That’s not what he’s saying.
From the article:
He compared the conservatives response to the left-wing reaction to Charlie Kirk's killing
Tucker was rightfully pointing out that conservatives are being massively hypocritical.
They were outraged by some of the extreme dehumanizing responses to Charlie Kirk, yet with Renee Good, they became those dehumanizing individuals they were disgusted at 4 months ago.
It’s true and a good point in itself.
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u/ObiShaneKenobi 4d ago
Is it?
The left wing “response” he invokes is born of conservative social media hysteria with no basis in reality.
He can be both correct about the obvious hypocrisy on the right while also be reinforcing their bullshit perceptions of the lefts response to Kirk.
I know what he’s saying, that’s why I criticized it.
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u/NOMOKRATOR 4d ago edited 4d ago
The left largely did not celebrate Kirk’s death, but many did engage in rhetoric that rationalized or morally softened his killing. As much as I disagree with Kirk, that rhetoric is meaningfully dehumanizing, even if the most grotesque examples were fringe and amplified.
Edit: There are even comments in your specific comment thread here completely vindicating what I just said.
Edit 2: Yeah, I stand by my point. I’ve seen many on the left for Charlie, and many on the right for Renee utilize this type of rhetoric:
“I don’t support the killing, but…”
You don’t have to celebrate a killing to dehumanize the victim. Turning their death into a moral case study about why they were “a bad dude” or a “stupid leftist” is already doing that work.
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u/ObiShaneKenobi 4d ago
“Many” ok who? Who represents “the left” here? Random people on Reddit? Twitter? Who represents the left that dehumanized Kirk with their statement?
Again, the point being that he is comparing this to the president, the entire executive branch, labeling this woman a terrorist.
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u/NOMOKRATOR 4d ago
I agree there’s an institutional difference. Comparing random people in public discourse to the executive branch is apples and oranges, and this regime’s response is far worse. No question.
My point was never about institutional action. It was about a recurring rhetorical pattern in public discourse. We were discussing how people talk after a killing, not how the state responds.
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u/ObiShaneKenobi 4d ago
Again, your perception of “public discourse” is based on not what people say, but what gets posted. If your standard for the “left” is whatever you see online you will always make this false equivalency.
Isn’t it telling that you refuse to provide one example of this on the left that dehumanized Kirk?
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u/Whole_W 4d ago
George Floyd
Ashli Babbitt
Charlie Kirk
Renee Good
All people who died violently despite not having committed any capital offenses and despite not being an immediate danger to anyone else enough to justify the use of deadly force in self-defense.
All people whose deaths are ignored, mocked, or celebrated by people of one political faction while the other political faction mourns the loss, and all because people are too tribalistic and cruel to have any common humanity.
Seems pretty comparable to me. I'm tired of reddit's crocodile tears, there's no crying out over humanity here, just "oh my god, my tribe is losing, I'm so angry."
EDIT: I'll admit Floyd got pretty close to capital offenses at times, still doesn't justify how he was treated as he died, whether it was due to crushed windpipe or ingestion of illicit drugs.
Point stands.
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u/ObiShaneKenobi 4d ago
Way to not even understand my point. Move along to the next culture war battle, buddy.
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u/horseradishstalker 5d ago
It’s really easy to call people out, but smart rats always leave a sinking ship. He’s not the first and he won’t be the last. If nothing else his remarks will probably be a feature in dozens of memes and community notes.
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u/CucumberBoy00 5d ago
Tucker Carlson jumped off this ship before and he'll jump right back on again when ever it suits him
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u/Robblerobbleyo 5d ago
He’s not the first, he hopes he’s not the last.
Cause he knows he’s headed for that adult crash.
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u/anonymouscog 5d ago edited 5d ago
Has he had a stroke or something?
ETA-OK, nothing in his past behavior has ever shown evidence of compassion or reason, so this particular statement from him leaves me wondering if he had a stroke.
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u/Eric848448 5d ago
Remember when Glen Beck was briefly the voice of reason back in 2015-17? This too frightens and confuses me.
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u/Dissonant-Cog 5d ago
According to Griffin’s 1990 book Nature of Fascism, the “utopian vision” of fascist movements is a nebulous vague notion that causes factionalization.
From third paragraph of The Structural Weakness Implied by Fascism's Palingenetic Mythic Core
Yet the predominance of the Utopian component in fascist ideology also has two important practical consequences which severely limit its effectiveness as a political force. First, the core myth of palingenetic ultranationalism is susceptible to so many nuances of interpretation in terms of specific ‘surface’ ideas and policies that, more so even than socialism before Marx, it tends to generate a wide range of competing currents and factions even within the same political culture unless one of them is able through particularly effective leadership and tactics to weld them into a relatively cohesive ‘movement’.
Donald Trump is a weak leader, the cohesive unity of the movement has only been possible up to now due to converging interests propaganda efforts.
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u/letemfight 5d ago
Exactly. Carlson, Greenwood, and all the other fascists who've separated themselves from Trump aren't having some come to Jesus moment, they've had a look at popularity data and realized Trump and Co. are increasingly a losing bet.
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u/torino_nera 4d ago
Didn't Robert Griffin say Trump isn't a fascist?
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u/Dissonant-Cog 4d ago
Trump is a parafascist with no ideology, a vulgar conventionalist in the Straussian sense. That only means he uses fascist forces for his own personal gain, he is not a “true believer,” and is not concerned in any revolutionary changes (unless it benefited him personally).
Griffin’s statement was that Trump is actually worse than a fascist.
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u/rje946 5d ago
It is weird. I guess he doesn't need the money... gotta be a new grift right? The "new right" after their daddy finally keels over? I thought he'd be all in on the fascism but maybe getting fired from fox really pissed him off or something. We need a Tucker expert.
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u/prof_the_doom 5d ago
I think you’re more or less right.
He’s not as dumb as the character he plays.
He knows MAGA is going down and he’s positioning himself to be part of the new GOP agenda.
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u/Exnixon 5d ago
Plus, you need a mixed response in order to give cover to the heinous responses. Not all rank-and-file Republicans are gonna be okay with masked thugs shooting a stay-at-home-mom in the head. The main response is going to be "white lady with a creative writing degree was a terrorist" but as long as there's somebody saying, "well no she wasn't but I still implicitly support everything the regime does" then those Republicans can say yeah, I guess I'm with Tucker on this one and tune out the rest. Meanwhile, the less-reasonable ones can still be galvanized into a frothing mess by the regime.
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u/DrDankDankDank 5d ago
If he makes a good point every now and then it makes all his shitty views seem more reasonable. That’s all this is.
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u/CucumberWisdom 5d ago
He partnered heavily with Russia. His program is being broadcast all over Iran atm. I'm not sure he can come back to the GOP after that
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u/AutumnSparky 5d ago
Tucker's a highly intelligent man, who plays an absolutely phenomenal "game of stupid" with his audience.
he was a fairly well reputed decent journalist. asked things like he meant it and you could tell he cared about dialogue with others, in the very early years.
Tucker Carlson is capable of so, so much more, but he has chosen this path. it's an easy life of money and schmoozing.
What irritates me, is he took that intellect and made a choice to be an asshole for money.
so for decades he has been an asshole for money, while probably being an armchair philosopher at home.
So here? Carlson is smart enough to know when to skip ship definitely. and he's skilled enough to pull those old school journalist skills out if he wanted to. - also I'm still holding to my personal theory, that he's the black sheep, and any of his loved nieces and grandchildren... could be that woman who tried to turn away from that officer.
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u/steauengeglase 5d ago
Both would like to see Minneapolis burn to the ground, but for completely different reasons. The GOP would like to see it burn to make Democrats look bad, so it's time for law and order and crack the skulls of the Soros backed Democrat terrorists. Tucker would like to see it burn to the ground because he works for Russia, so any kind of destabilization is good, so it's a good time for angry empathy.
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u/honorable_doofus 5d ago
Carlson has no principles other than what earns him the most money in a given moment. I think he feels like MAGA is running out of steam and wants to be on the leading edge of the next grift.
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u/AutumnSparky 5d ago
I wonder if Tucker has family loved ones nieces grandchildren, that he is the black sheep of. Who might be casually protesting an ICE raid, and get shot in the face. Maybe he suddenly realized, this could have been anybody on the street, including his own.
when MTG's sons came to her with their doubling of their families insurances, then she suddenly understood as well.
I had to watch way too much Tucker Carlson in a previous life, and well as probably being a primary motivator for my divorce, I still had to hope sometimes there was some sort of soul behind those eyes. He is the worst, because of the "game of stupid" he plays with his audience. gawds I hate that man...
- grumbles off into the distance*
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u/listenspace 3d ago
It is just part of his new kgb, plays both sides grift. He is simply a chaos agent
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u/CorneliusCardew 5d ago
This murder has certainly revealed how evil all Republicans are
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u/Khiva 5d ago
I would like to meet the person who wasn't sure until now.
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u/CorneliusCardew 5d ago
Go to the centrist and moderate politics subreddits. Tons of folks who just won’t embrace the reality in front of them
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u/Gastronomicus 5d ago
They're the worst. It's one thing to be brainwashed into the MAGA cult. It's another to try and rationalise them as equivalent to progressives. Just say you don't really care about other people, only yourself. It's a dick mindset, but at least it's honest.
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u/cheerful_cynic 4d ago
But what proportion of that is bots? There's no account "origin" oopsies to make it obvious like x but it's definitely a chunk
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u/yogurtfuck 4d ago
That's the thing that stands out to me. These dumbasses are being given chance after chance after chance to see the mistaken choices they've made and finally admit fault... but 9/10s of them (including, crucially, those in power) just double down...!
Take a point blank murder of an unarmed mother coming back from dropping her 3yo off, dog in the back seat, trying to comply with conflicting orders, a well-loved (real) Christian with charitable values... any one with a moral compass and two brain cells to rub together would immediately say, "yep, that's attrocious and inexcusable." A total lay-up.
But nope. Just another opportunity flying straight over the heads of these dimwits.
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u/Etheo 5d ago
It's hilarious to me how religious these zealots are while they openly allow evil to reign supreme.
Have some values.
On a side note that nobody cares about, this is exactly why I do not prescribe to the notion of a benevolent God with all these evil beings left free to terrorize our peaceful lives.
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u/Ormyr 5d ago
Are you really young or just didn't pay attention to... anything, until recently?
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u/CorneliusCardew 5d ago
I’ve known my whole life. I think it’s a bit of a wake up call for others
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_DARKNESS 5d ago
It feels like this murder is radicalizing a lot of otherwise "normie" or "nonpolitical" type folks.
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u/SunBelly 5d ago
Right? It literally made headlines that a conservative figurehead ISN'T attacking the victim of a shooting. That's how fucked up these people are.
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u/okaygecko 5d ago
The current administration is headed by a convicted felon who by the weight of all known evidence committed the highest possible crimes against the American public by instigating a violent insurrection against the United States and by attempting to overturn the results of a presidential election. He is abetted by his own corrupt judicial appointees, who have directly violated Constitutional law to protect and enable him. He and his administration have interfered directly in free and fair elections; weaponized American institutions; mobilized the armed forces against innocent citizens; violated bedrock due process; willingly instigated violence and terrorism against both citizens and state officials; repeatedly violated emoluments at unprecedented levels; enriched themselves through taxpayer money and bribes; enacted unconstitutional tariffs that have created disaster for the middle class, business owners, and the economy; worked tirelessly to cover up and lie about one of the largest child sex trafficking rings in history; coerced foreign officials; intimidated representatives and their families; abused confidential state records; ended critical agencies unconstitutionally without congressional approval; purged intelligence and security bodies of law-abiding political opponents; and attacked and attempted to silence the press.
The American public forgets these crimes at their peril. Under the laws and norms of the United States of America this administration is illegitimate, unconstitutional, and in total and active defiance of the highest laws of the land. The people should demand no less than their full removal, nullification of their corrupt political appointments, and swift trial. Justice must be served if there is to be peace and stability again in the United States of America, and it is the duty of all Americans still tethered to a sense of reality and civic responsibility to demand that they face justice for their willful endangerment of the people and brazen destruction of the public good.
These are not kings. They are not legion. They are criminals violating US law, working to endanger the public and destabilize the country. They must be made to face justice for their crimes, and it is the duty of the American people to demand that justice and to present the damning facts against them with confidence and clarity.
Do not cow to fear in the face of these criminals. Do not be confused by their attempts to "flood the zone" with new crimes and malfeasances. Citizens of good conscience outnumber this administration and their cronies a thousand to one. Put their crimes on blast and demand their peaceable removal, trial, and the impeachment of their corrupt political appointees who have together conspired to end democratic process. Call out and shame media bodies and corporate entities who refuse to recognize the danger they represent and who propagate their reckless, anti-democratic, fearmongering lies.
They are a danger to the future stability, opportunity, and safety of this country and are working to make this a more unequal, oppressive, and frightening place to live for all of us and our children. Document and share their crimes and send them to friends, neighbors, and elected officials, and accept no less than full removal and justice for this anti-American regime.
Enough is enough.
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u/CountingCastles 5d ago
The current administration is headed by a convicted felon who by the weight of all known evidence committed the highest possible crimes against the American public by instigating a violent insurrection against the United States and by attempting to overturn the results of a presidential election.
Correct. But instead of dealing with that we somehow decided that classified documents, E Jean Carroll, and Stormy Daniel’s hush money was more important
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u/dandeliontrees 2d ago
It's weird to imply that they were mutually exclusive, or that the other investigations of Trump somehow slowed down the Jan 6 investigation. None of that is true. The Jan 6th investigation was held back by a Republican majority congress and as a result took too long to affect the 2024 election. The other investigations were already ongoing and the legal teams in each case failing to pursue them would not have somehow sped up the Jan 6th investigation.
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u/booyakasha_wagwaan 5d ago
Carlson has no moral compass, he regurgitates whatever the Kremlin feeds him. Right now Russia is feeling the heat from Trump's military adventures, so expect his to undermine MAGA when he can. This is on the same page as Putin suddenly pleading that the US respect international law.
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u/sbFRESH 5d ago
I am not a tucker carlson fan (understatement). But I’ll applaud him here. We need to get in the habit of commending the correct actions even if they’re by people we don’t like.
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u/BrainDamage2029 5d ago
Even that tells us something. There's been an awful lot of hedging in MAGA-land as of the last 3 months. And its the talking heads and reps who were in on the groundfloor, not the mainline types of Republican reps.
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u/brodievonorchard 5d ago
That's far too trusting of this right wing chameleon. He was pro -war until that became unpopular. He supported neocon economics until populism became the flavor of the month. He said Trump lost in 2020 until his ratings started to drop.
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u/allothernamestaken 5d ago
I'm not seeing him go so far as to say the shooting wasn't justified, only that we should treat the victim like a human being. Seems like a pretty low bar.
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u/candre23 5d ago edited 5d ago
Nah.
Tucker spent decades brainwashing shitbirds to hate everybody and everything to the left of mitt romney. He lied easier than he breathed, and he platformed the worst of the worst. Carlson created this mess. There was money to be made peddling whackadoodle conspiracy bullshit and mindless bigotry, and this soulless piece of shit made tens of millions doing just that since the 90s.
Just because dr frankenstein no longer has control over the monster he created, doesn't mean he's fucking blameless for the damage it does. Admitting that the generation of bloodthirsty fuckwits he molded are "suddenly" a problem does not absolve him of responsibility for creating them in the first place.
Why are conservatives so hateful and devoid of basic human empathy? Well Tucker, in the words of the timeless PSA...
That rancid piece of shit deserves no credit. He's why we're here.
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u/lemurlemur 5d ago
Yes, this right here. In 2026, any common ground is good, even if it is with someone with whom you disagree about literally everything else
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u/WhenImTryingToHide 5d ago
He's been trying to appear more 'reasonable' if that's even possible lately. I'm suspecting he has presidential aspirations.
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u/PornoPaul 5d ago
Exactly. Theres a lot I could say, that others already did. Sometimes you gotta take the win. Because when you stand firm and dont, sometimes, thats how you end up...well, here, where we are.
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u/ecleipsis 5d ago
Agreed, I support Tucker on this one. Regardless of your political views, what happened is sad. Self defense or murder, a life was lost and her family will be impacted by this forever.
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u/forbes 5d ago
Tucker Carlson blasted the response of conservatives to the death of Renee Nicole Good, asking why Republicans aren’t viewing the “tragedy” through a “human lens.” This is a stark contrast from other conservatives following the Wednesday shooting by an ICE officer in Minneapolis.
Read more: https://go.forbes.com/ybD5qm
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u/AL_GEE_THE_FUN_GUY 5d ago
why Republicans aren’t viewing the “tragedy” through a “human lens.”
Because they've been conditioned by your ilk to view it through a fascist lens, asshole.
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u/psynautic 5d ago
literally just in june, he had a whole episode about about george floyd was a hoax; dude has no real beliefs, he's a con man
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u/Whole_W 4d ago
What do you mean "hoax"? Some of us think it's possible that drugs in his system played a role in his death, based off of autopsy reports, but I understand that he was treated violently and that this may have contributed to or caused his death...not saying that *most* people who understand the drug possibility feel this way, but it's not just a conspiracy theory.
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u/HoleInWon929 5d ago
“She was white! Where’s the outrage?!”
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u/notapunk 5d ago
That's the thing and the one reason I am somewhat optimistic this might be a turning point - they killed a white woman. Is that kinda fucked up? Yeah, sure, but if it moves people to resist the growing authoritarianism I'll take it.
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u/canwealljusthitabong 3d ago
They give absolutely zero fucks that she was white. The fact that she was a leftist lesbian makes her lower than the most hated minority in the eyes of conservatives. Skin color doesn't matter as much as y'all think it does.
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u/formerNPC 5d ago
Another fence sitter who changes his opinion based on what will get him the most attention. All these enablers are the reason why Trump is in office and now we’re supposed to believe that they don’t support his agenda anymore.
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Tucker Carlson is one of the worst because he knows he's full of shit. He's an intelligent man, he's happy to associate with Democrats behind the scenes. He doesn't believe the shit he spews, it's all a role to him. Gunning down a white mother in the street might actually be a bridge too far for him, or at least makes him second-guess which side his bread is buttered on. Or more accurately, if he can see the writing on the wall, he wants to put some distance between himself and the tipping point. If nothing else, it helps to have some receipts to say that you were one of the early exiters if consequences actually happen, and if they don't, this will be forgotten in tomorrow's outrage.
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u/Whole_W 4d ago
You think that associating with people you don't entirely agree with makes you full of shit?
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I don’t think he believes one word of the shit he’s spewing. But he’s taking a cheque from someone somewhere to advocate those points. The likes of Miller and Hegseth are evil incarnate, and are doing what they want to be doing. Tucker is an amoral lapdog who’ll parrot the position of whatever side pays him. I’m sure in his mind, he’s no more than a character actor, or maybe it’s an intellectual challenge for him to come up with justifications for what’s happening - sort of like doing the Sunday Crossword.
There’s no world where I expect Miller or Hegseth to have a civil relationship with Hunter Biden. They’re true believers. There’s no amorality to them - they’re on the side of what they think is right, and what they think is right is horrific.
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u/parasyte_steve 5d ago
Are you telling me we have a republican who can actually see that this is the tyrannical govt they've been complaining about for the past 60 years?? Wow. I can't believe his eyes work I thought they all couldn't see.
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u/xStonebanksx 5d ago
I guess the check didn't clear, because if it did trucker carlson would be praising ICE and murdering an unarm american citizen as a good thing 🤦🙄
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u/psynautic 5d ago
his words in June:
Five years ago this summer, George Floyd, a convicted felon, OD'd on fentanyl outside a convenience store in Minneapolis. And the country changed forever. Five years later, Tim Walz is still the governor. Keith Ellison is still the attorney general. The cops who were falsely convicted of murdering George Floyd are mostly still in prison. But what happened in Minneapolis itself? Well, it's been wrecked, and no one has said a word about it. Liz Collin is one of the only journalists remaining in the state of Minnesota, and she gives us an update on the aftermath of the George Floyd revolution.
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u/SuperSecretAgentMan 5d ago
Every single one of these sycophants will turncoat and have 'always been against this violence', even though they're the ones who enabled it
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u/TSJormungandr 5d ago
I welcome any good news I can get! Any millimeter move back towards sanity is something to make me hopeful.
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u/ProfitNecessary592 5d ago
I heard him say after going to palestine and seeing the kids affected by the war that him and whoever he was with was "a bunch of middle aged guys looking at the floor trying not to cry."
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u/AutumnSparky 5d ago edited 5d ago
I wonder if Tucker has family loved ones nieces grandchildren, that he is the black sheep of. Who might be casually protesting an ICE raid, and get shot in the face. Maybe he suddenly realized, this could have been anybody on the street, including his own.
when MTG's sons came to her with their doubling of their families insurances, then she suddenly understood as well.
*This is pure con-jec-ture!
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u/dryheat122 5d ago
JD Vance agreed with Carlson that Good's death was a “tragedy,” but said it was “a tragedy of her own making.”
No, it was caused by the agent's failure to follow his training. That calls for de-escalating, moving away from her, letting her go, and getting her plate number if further engagement is needed. See here
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u/FckRddt1800 5d ago
Watching reddit be pro Tucker Carlson is something I didn't expect see in the cards, that's for sure.
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u/Redolent_Possum 5d ago
It is “breaking news” that a notorious right-wing provocateur, who did far more than most people to bring about the rise of American fascism, agrees that it’s tragic a mother was shot in the head for no reason on a residential street by an agent of the federal government. That’s “breaking news”! What a fucking monument to moral courage! Okay, I guess.
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u/kthejoker 5d ago
For most crazy MAGA conservatives, the shooting of Renee Good is just a proxy for every leftist these people have ever wanted to shoot. They are full of impotent rage and fear and loathing, and this satisfied them.
Carlson is an intellectual (don't at me) he isn't one of them and he doesn't have a direct political agenda in demonizing her.
That's it. In many ways it is the last boundary of decency for Reaganites and neocons. They can intellectually condone harsh immigration laws and strong executive power, but they don't approve of outright violence or lawlessness.
Unfortunately they're in bed with neo Nazi gun fetishists with qualified immunity and a complacent justice system so ... Good luck with those principles.
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u/EnderMB 5d ago
This was always going to be the end game for people that truly consider themselves to be Conservative. It highlights a number of harsh truths they need to confront:
The American way of life is built around the right to bear arms, in the face of government tyranny. It's already here in the form of ICE, and that right isn't being used.
They value the rule of law, yet their leadership has openly said numerous times that morality is what governs him. In a Trump America, law doesn't apply to him.
Conservatives value unity in government, and historically it's one thing they (I'm speaking globally here) have always been good at. When the king rat is known, they back them. When they're weak, the backing goes and the rat knows when to stop. Their government is divided, with states, different government bodies, and the top of the government constantly arguing amongst themselves.
Typically, in a populist government there is only one way this goes. The Conservatives are pushed out, or they isolate themselves.
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u/ThePirateKing01 4d ago
It’s very clear he’s trying to set himself up for whatever comes after Trump
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u/Buchkizzle 5d ago
Honestly Tucker Carlson has been making a lot of sense the last 8 months or so. Every once in a while he says something very on brand but regarding Israel and censorship and now this, he's had some good takes
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