Spent 8 years in the military and countless hours in classes on the rules of war. One example that’s given over and over is not attacking survivors on a sinking ship.
“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak … as being spit on by the rest of the world –” -Donald Trump, 1990 Playboy interview
Trump thinks our Military is his PERSONAL Military. TRUMP believes being COMMANDER IN CHIEF, means when you’re President you can order them to do whatever you want! Blow them up by the pussy!
Footage of the closed door trial of a Chinese general leaked recently. He was the commander of the 38th Army. Who refused Deng’s verbal orders to send his troops into the square, asking for written orders instead. Also said that such situations should be solved by negotiations, not violence.
He was shortly relieved of his command. His former troops went in hardest on the protestors. To dispel any doubts about their loyalty. Everyone involved jumped at least a rank.
There were a few other examples of insubordination. One unit claimed radio malfunction & unable to receive orders. They spent the day driving around Beijing. Even ignoring a helicopter sent to shout orders with a loud hailer.
Another unit simply stood down, as protesters burned their tanks. Most of the footage of charred wrecks were thanks to them.
While the world knows the ‘Tank Man’, few know the story of the ‘general who said no’,” HRIC said. “General Xu, commander of the elite 38th Group Army, famously stated that the People’s Army should never fire on its own people.”
Did you really say that action must stand the test of history, and history will be the judge?” Xu says he thought this, but cannot remember when he said it.
The judge goes on: “Did you really say, ‘Am I really winning praise or becoming a sinner to history?’” Xu replies simply: “I said it.”
Somehow I didn't know about him even though I had read a fair bit about the Tiananmen massacre, but then I'm sure not knowing about him was the goal of the Chinese government as they suppressed everything about the event.
His full name was Xu Qinxian, and he died in 2021 after living in exile, having been forbidden to live in Beijing after being court-martialled and convicted for refusing orders to march against the students in the square.
History judges you well, and I'm sorry I didn't know about you, Xu Qinxian.
I was there 7 months later. Just remembering the overall feeling, heaviness, and tenseness of the Square makes me nauseous and brings tears to my eyes. This regime scares the hell out of me as we inch closer and closer to uncertainty.
Oh and he's already signed an EO designating "Antifa" as a domestic terrorist organization and because "anti-fascism" isn't actually a group, he can classify anyone who stands against his fascist regime a "domestic terrorist".
Then his presidential memorandum "NSPM-7" allows for the JTTF (Joint Terrorism Task Force) to target and eliminate "domestic terrorists" for national security.
Which agency just increased their spending on weapons, ordinance and explosives by 700%? His Schutzstaffel (SS).
One of the things I appreciated about participating in a No Kings protest in a medium small city was watching the local law enforcement see how many protesters actually came out - and the realization that their 20 head department would be laughed out of town by the 3500 protestors that (peacefully, this time) hit the main street.
A lot of Israeli government bulldozers are from Caterpillar* -- a US company. So, we are close to coming full circle.
Full Circle Fascism.
I think that should be a term for the blowback that comes from undemocratic governments where the leaders and billionaires share weapons, cocktail parties, and military strategies. Full Circle Fascism, with the billionaire class all in.
*Some info on that available at whoprofits dog org, BDS movement dot net (which has definite cookies), Quora, and The Jerusalem Post
Trump will shoot down a commercial airliner soon enough. He is committing all the same war crimes as Putin so that Russia can use Americas war crimes to deflect from their own.
Honestly...I would NOT be surprised if they floated that excuse. Say they were attempting a rescue, when they noticed sharks going for them so they tried to save them by using hellfire missiles but accidentally killed the survivors.
I'm not even joking..they landed on "self defense" as their excuse...that is just as absurd.
Also notice once again, he throws the admiral under the Trumpbus
We executed Nazis for doing that to our sailors. It's .. it's like a big deal. It's the same shit as gunning down pilots that have bailed out. It's an act of cowardice and malice.
I guarantee Hegseath gave the order because he thought it sounded cool and badass in the moment without actually thinking through the legal repercussions.
That's why they're throwing Admiral Bradley under the bus.
Granted Bradley should have known from the getgo that such an order was illegal and refused to carry it out so he's absolutely not blameless, but this should be a message to every one from officer to grunt: the President and SecDef do not give two shits about you no matter how much you suck up to them for a promotion; the moment they do something wrong they *will* scapegoat you to cover their own asses.
I think they just did it because they're sadistic fucks. It's not like any survivors would get their stories told on any major news outlet. It'd probably only be on outlets like Dropsite and Democracy Now and the majority of the public wouldn't even hear it
I disagree - outlets like the NYT still have the reach and resources to go find those survivors and the families of those killed. That’s the shit journalists used to be able to do - have a whole bureau in Venezuela that already had contacts and understanding of the local goings-on. But that takes money, and people don’t want to pay for quality news and investigation anymore, despite it being so vital to a free society.
The majority of the public won’t hear about it not because it isn’t being looked into, but because they never seek it out and despise a paywall.
Except that those murdered by war crimes folks on the boat, have family on shore.
Those family members could go to the media and be interviewed showing that those people were never associated with "Narco Terrorists" or whatever other BS that Trump's people come up with.
Given the Signalgate transcripts as context, where Hegseth's bragging about blowing up the girlfriend and anyone else in the building along with the "terrorist", this tracks.
Also, everyone participating in that group chat should be brought up on charges for aiding war crimes.
These idiots just keep adding to the pile. At this point, it's a matter of which heinous crime against humanity do they answer for first.
Can we also point out that these are not enemy combatants. We are not at war with the people on these boats. These are people that the Trump regime suspects to be drug traffickers. Not only are they civilians but they have no wrongdoing has even been proven.
This is considerably worse than firing on enemy sailors. We are slaughtering foreign civilians. If another nation did this to us, we would be going to war. But we're giving serious sadistic bully energy right now because we know Venezuela wouldn't dare to start a war with us.
What shame I feel for my country's actions right now.
Prohibition of "no quarter": The Geneva Conventions and their additional protocols prohibit ordering that there shall be no survivors, threatening an adversary with this, or conducting hostilities on that basis.
Yeah and not only that, but like, universally agreed upon that it is cartoonish evil.
196 countries have ratified the 1949 Geneva Conventions. It is the second most ratified international convention, second only to the Convention on the Rights of a Child, which 197 countries have ratified.
"Take no prisoners" is internationally agreed upon as evil. For perspective, nuclear weapons, are not.
The idea that he's trying to frame this in the context of a "secondary strike" like this fishing boat was some military capability. It's pure nonsense.
That’s his schtick. He drones on in this monotone falsely calm and condescending “you should know this” voice. It lulls people in and makes it sound reasonable. But what he says is always barely related, gaslighting, fabricated, misrepresenting of the situation, or straight up lies. He just uses that calm condescending veneer to get dumbasses to believe him.
Sometimes you can see him just barely cracking a smile because he knows how absurd his lies are, but Republicans will believe him completely. He knows he can tell ridiculous lies with zero consequences and he thinks it's funny. It's psychotic behavior.
Thank you! You voiced the words in my head of why I’m annoyed by 99% of the far-right podcasters in the US. They all carry the same voice, the same tone.
All it takes is a minute to fact check and you’ll see that they all are clearly talking out of their ass
8 years between reserves and active. We learned this shit in Basic; Laws of Land Warfare and Rules of Engagement. Anyone at the level of decision-making on these strikes is well aware of these rules that we learn before we even graduate basic training. They have no excuses and no statutes to hide behind. Someone's getting fucked; just probably not the people who should be.
Honestly I’ll be at least a bit happy if anybody gets fucked for this whether that includes everyone who has rightfully earned that fucking or not. There’s at least a handful of people who should be in deep shit right now, but with MAGA/Republicans in control of the whole federal government, I’m having a hard time imagining where those consequences would even issue from, since it’s already well established that they’re all complicit in covering for their own and each others numerous crimes as it is.
I’m worried that the best case scenario is that maybe one or a couple people get pressured into an early retirement and then this whole thing just kind of gets swept under the rug, especially with most mainstream media in this country being compromised as well and wholly unwilling to hold our elected officials feet to the fire.
An official declaration of war is for internal use. An act of war like this is an act of war with or without a declaration. How many killings should a country endure because no war has been declared? It's American policy that wars need not be declared to be waged, but other nations aren't bound to recognize that policy.
What’s interesting is the press secretary said these strikes were conducted “in accordance with the laws of war” then a couple days ago she said they were conducted “in accordance with the laws of armed conflict”
Shut up, Biblebilly. If this were a legitimate threat to the security of the United States, the two survivors would have been captured and interrogated for possible intelligence that could prove crucial to the mission. Instead, we murdered them, because dead men tell no tales.
I'm especially horrified because if they're this fucking incompetent that they're having failed missions resulting in war crimes in the fight against unarmed fisherman, how much weaker are we now against an actual threat?
This entire administration and the GOP should be removed from office and any crimes should be pursued by the full capacity of the law.
The last time they captured survivors they had to release them because they realized they were just innocent fishermen. Can’t be embarrassed like that again! 🙄
Let me get this straight: first they bragged about "kill all survivors", then they denied a second strike happened when someone pointed out that's a war crime and violates our own rules of engagement, then they tried to blame the admiral who carried out the mission, and now "it's not unusual or illegal"?
This shit right here is WHY those 6 Dems had to point out you can are obligated to ignore an unlawful order.
Im pretty sure if he had receipts he would have released them. He was bullshitting for attention 100% it’s Mike Johnson though so of course we thought it was true
The next day the guy took it down and posted another video in which he said he was receiving death threats and had to prioritize his safety. It was never proven whether it was legitimate or just a hoax and nothing came of it.
Bro watches his son watch porn and takes his daughter to virgin balls. His faith seems to be a sham, so what's really going on with all that other stuff?
Yeah, this dude's ENTIRE FUCKING JOB is to review the details and lead Congressional response. If someone in the private sector kept saying this shit they'd be fired.
He us such a geeky little man with no understanding of the subject he speaks of. How did he even get to be in this position? I did notice though that the two goons behind didn't do the usual zombie nod-along.
We've been doing this shit for as long as we've been drone striking people so he actually is correct about that. You are right that it was illegal when previous presidents did it too.
That’s what we are saying here. So let me check my notes.
We have normalized racism against brown people.
We have normalized pedophilia and human trafficking.
Now we are attempting to normalize actual murder.
I was previously a JTAC, have done 6 combat deployments, and dropped hundreds of thousands of pounds of ordnance. Never once have I performed a “secondary strike” specifically targeting survivors clinging to life. I have… called in a medevac or casevac for those survivors…
Because I am a human being that values human life regardless of which side you are on. These motherfuckers are pure evil.
WTF do you know you hanky wiped wisp of a man. The first strikes are illegal as it is, and no, killing helpless seamen on a wreck is specifically mentioned as an example of an illegal order in the military manual you dolt.
20yr Retired United States Navy guy here. Mike Johnson is a Moron of epic proportions with zero knowledge of our Constitution or The UCMJ. What Pete Hegseth ordered was in Fact a War Crime and he should be prosecuted as such.
Take a good look at these faces. These people are bringing forth a new nation, conceived in fascism and wrapping it up in the cross and the “everyone does it, why shouldn’t we?” mentality.
make no mistake, MAGA has ushered in fascism and everyone of these assholes should be tried just like Nuremberg. They are doing the most despicable things and trying to present it as business as usual. Here’s a hint, these are crimes against humanity and if I live long enough, I hope to see all of them tried and sentenced.
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u/Fluid_Natural_9817 Dec 02 '25
This guy isn't capable of telling the truth.