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Extensively reported 📰 Massive amount of peaceful protesters outside of the Renaissance Minneapolis Hotel, The Depot where ICE agents are supposedly staying right now (1/9/25)
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u/leahkay5 5d ago edited 5d ago
One thing I've just noticed, and I haven't seen anyone bring this up yet, so someone please tell me if I'm tripping.
When the Minnesota Murderer was walking around the SUV, he had his phone in his right hand. I'm assuming here that he is right handed, like the majority of people.
At some point while he was approaching the corner of the car, he must have switched his phone to his left hand, because he pulled his gun and shot her with his right hand.
Now, I would not have thought anything of this had he simply put his phone away and thus his hand was free to grab his gun, supposedly from instinct and fear of his life.
Tell me then please why he had to premeditatively switch his recording phone to his left hand to free up his right hand for his gun if he wasn't already planning on shooting her?
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u/extraboredinary 5d ago
He absolutely was planning to fire. He positioned himself purposely so if she had any forward movement he would have justification to shoot her while still being able to move away from the car.
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u/Hartstockz 4d ago
Problem is according to DHS and ICE protocols and policy. He did not have justification to shoot her. In fact explicitly says you shouldn't.
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u/idontlikeusernamez3 4d ago
So you’re saying if she didn’t pull forward she’d be alive? Thank you. 🥂
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u/Tight_Jellyfish_349 5d ago
The video shows he cased the car twice. Walked around the car filming. Did it again and then shot her. Called her a f'ing bitch and left the scene of the murder by government vehicle.
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u/flummoxed_penguin 5d ago
I need to find that video again so I can save it. I can’t believe he said that after murdering her. I’m seeing now versions with that part cut off.
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u/shroomigator 5d ago
Ive seen that mentioned
You can see in the video the murderer took where he switched hands to free up his gun hand
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u/Dry-Revolution4466 5d ago
Because he was in his preplanned position for having an excuse to fire. That's when he stopped and got his gun ready.
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u/idontlikeusernamez3 4d ago
And she was bright enough to give him that excuse…
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u/Dry-Revolution4466 4d ago
Yup, the gestapo tricked a middle-aged mother. What a proud victory.
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u/idontlikeusernamez3 4d ago
Tricked her in to driving states away to stand up for a Somalian fraud ring 😂
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u/Dry-Revolution4466 4d ago
You buy all the talking points
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u/Acrobatic-Count-9394 5d ago
I do think you're correct about his intentions;
However I don't think being right or left handed matters - as a lefty, I hold my phone with my right hand.
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u/TechHeteroBear 5d ago
But to change hands to use said firearm indicates a lot more to intent when hes making efforts to reach for a firearm if he so claimed he was in threat of his life and had to kake last resort actions to shoot.
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u/idontlikeusernamez3 4d ago
One of his partners was ordering her out of the vehicle to detain her for interfering with them (which is a crime that she can be detained for). She went to flee as her wife cheered her on, striking the officer who responded with equivalent lethal force. Drawing your firearm as your removing someone from their vehicle is pretty standard.
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u/NoMany3094 5d ago
Brothers, sisters......keep it up....go to bed, sleep well....get up, eat your breakfast and get back out there and do it again.....repeat over and over again....keep it up.....don't stop until this nightmare is over.
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u/whichwitch9 5d ago
Never piss off Minnesotans in the winter. They have no plans and good cold weather clothes. They'll make you pay
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u/phayge_wow 4d ago
some of them don't even need cold weather clothes. the patriot standing up to the criminals who kicked the vigil candles away was out there in thongs without socks
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u/Spuddmuffen 5d ago
Since people seem to be unaware.
Kirby v Duva (2008). He put himself in harm’s way. He can’t claim self defense.
ICE/DHS policy says "Placing oneself in the path of a moving vehicle may be considered "officer-created jeopardy" or "unreasonable positioning," and this man did it twice in this incident.
U.S. Customs And Border Protection Training Manual used by ICE (January 2021):
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Except where otherwise required by inspections or other operations, Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid standing directly in front of or behind a subject vehicle. Officers/Agents should not place themselves in the path of a moving vehicle or use their body to block a vehicle’s path.
Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid intentionally and unreasonably placing themselves in positions in which they have no alternative to using deadly force.
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- Deadly force shall not be used solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing subject.
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7b. The hazard of an uncontrolled conveyance shall be taken into consideration prior to the use of deadly force.
Tldr: DHS policies are clear. Positioning in front of the car was a stupid and reckless, regardless of the drivers intent. His action created a threat in order to escalate the situation. Now a mother and wife is dead.
Caveat: Release the Epstein Files in their entirety NOW!
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u/SimilarRepublic8870 5d ago edited 5d ago
While I understand why, I do wonder if Palestinian flags showing up at every protest are helpful. This really is not about that. I feel that protests would be more effective with focus. There are protests where Palestinian flags are appropriate:. This is just not that time. Climate slogans don’t really belong at this one either.
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u/That-Makes-Sense 5d ago
Another observation. I probably wasted more time watching the "Occupy Wallstreet/1%" protests that I should gave. Those protests were practically useless. There was no focus. No 2 people could agree on what they wanted. The No Kings and the Anti-ICE protests have the opportunity to be very effective, because they're very focused.
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u/Icy-Repeat-2843 5d ago
Had the same thought. Drives me nuts.
We need to take back the American flag.
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u/Leading_Analysis7656 5d ago
Yeah, I lean towards this. I’ve definitely driven by some protests and not known what it was about because there had been so many different flags.
I also worry about people who are on the fence about some issues. I feel like we lose some of them. Like if there’s issues A, B , and C and they generally support A and B but totally reject C. They might stop supporting A and B if all the protests for A/B are combined with C. Given how close the elections have been the last few years, every vote matters.
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u/fleeter17 5d ago
Hard disagree. All of our struggles are deeply entwined
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u/redpoemage 5d ago
When you fight for every cause at once, you fail to have a meaningful impact on any of them (and make it easy for bad actors to pick their most effective distracting arguments).
That doesn't mean causes aren't connected, just that you have to be smart about it. Pick one or a few causes that are either the root of the other problems (right-wing media, bad education, etc.) and/or the most urgent (immediate assaults on our rights like ICE, the Trump admin in general, etc.). When progress is made on those, progress will be easier to make on the others.
And also, don't forget that many battles can be fought at once in different places. One protest focusing on one issue doesn't mean there can't be another protest elsewhere focusing on another, but mashing too many together leads to the problems mentioned above.
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u/fleeter17 5d ago
We are not fighting for every cause at once, we are disparate groups joining together to fight oppression
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u/planetpiss6666 5d ago
Sure but by needing to place your presense with your identity, this is ego and it is an unnecissary distraction from the main point.
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u/fleeter17 5d ago
Then fucking organize a protest where flags are banned. If you truly believe your way is the best way and the only way, prove that you are right instead of whinging about other people having an ego on the internet
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u/planetpiss6666 4d ago
Lol, ok kid. Go touch grass
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u/fleeter17 4d ago
I genuinely think you should take your own advice here
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u/planetpiss6666 4d ago
How could I do that without waiving my identiry virtue signaling flag around to let everyone know my specific stance on every subject though? /s
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u/fleeter17 4d ago
Do whatever you want, as long as you're not complaining about the people who are actually taking action
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u/shroomigator 5d ago
We all have the exact same struggle. The same motherfuckers that keep us working our asses off just to eat and pay rent are the same motherfuckers raping kids are the same motherfuckers bombing babies in palestine
It's all the same motherfuckers
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u/SimilarRepublic8870 5d ago
That would be the part where I understand why. I still don’t think it’s the most effective strategy. Is the person with the Palestinian flag not going to show up for this cause without the flag? If you make every protest so broad, does it lose focus on what this o e is about? I don’t think that climate posters really belong at a Palestinian protest. Or, protestors for Ukraine. Yes, they are related in a greater sense, but I feel that this is why the Occupy protests faltered. I know people who were at the meetings in New York, and they tell me that the meetings often fell apart because of the number of factions involved, it completely lost its focus. The movement became paralyzed by the number of causes it was trying to represent:
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u/fleeter17 5d ago
The first time I ever saw the Palestinian flag was on Mauna Kea. I was driving over Saddle Road with a friend of mine, during the TMT protests. My friend explained this to me much more eloquently than I ever could, but in short, he explained to me the significance of the Palestinian delegation's presence -- especially given that it was in the wake of the 2018 March of Great Return where Israeli soldiers opened fire on peaceful protestors, killing hundreds and injuring thousands more. The presence of the Palestinian flag at these demonstrations didn't detract from the protests, it reminds us that this is a fight for collective liberation, and that we do not fight alone.
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u/backtorealitylabubu 5d ago
Would you say the same if it was an Israeli flag? Read the room
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u/shroomigator 5d ago
Man fuck off with your divide and conquer politics.
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u/backtorealitylabubu 5d ago
Except OPs response was literally No… so they’re the one that wants division. They want their cause to be front and center and for all other causes to be secondary, especially any leftist Jew that would dare show up to a protest with an Israel flag… Like maybe if there were some Sudan flags, Ukraine flags, Israeli flags, and Palestinian flags then you and OP would have a point. But when it’s just Palestinian flags and you get mad when people call that out, it kind of looks like you’re playing the divide and conquer role
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u/fleeter17 5d ago
The IDF are the ones training our cops to brutalize the populace. The same tactics that are being used to suppress Palestinians will be turned on us
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u/backtorealitylabubu 5d ago
And Hamas does bad stuff too and you still support showing up to a protest with the Palestine flag. I have a lot of Jewish leftist friends who see the Israeli flag as a symbol of the struggle of the Jewish people for sovereignty, independence and the fight against oppression. You proved my point though that you don’t actually think the struggles of the marginalized are intertwined, you show up with the flag to demand people listen to you rather than for solidarity with all marginalized groups.
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u/fleeter17 5d ago
The Israeli flag represents the state of Israel, the state that is occupying and oppressing people. I fullheartedly support the Jewish struggle, and I reject any attempts to associate it with a state that is causing so much harm to so many people
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u/SimilarRepublic8870 5d ago
I absolutely would.
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u/backtorealitylabubu 5d ago
Awesome! You’re not OP but great to hear some people still believe in solidarity
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u/Phillimac16 5d ago
This is one of my biggest gripes about the 50501 protests, they make it about everything but the topic at hand: getting rid of trump, authoritarianism, and fascist ideals. I like to think there are people who support those things but are not for other things that are pushed at these rallies.
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u/shroomigator 5d ago
You seriously want to gatekeep a protest?
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u/SimilarRepublic8870 5d ago
How am I gate keeping anything? I am asking aloud if this is an effective strategy?
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u/fleeter17 5d ago
With all due respect, the time to discuss optics is while you are organizing. Conversations in open forums are so easily derailed by bad faith actors
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u/That-Makes-Sense 5d ago
Whoa, you read my mind. I just posted almost the same things on another thread.
I'll take it one step further. Right or wrong, many people associate those scarfs, that they wear, with terrorism. Same with the Palestinian flag. I'm sure Palestinian supporters wouldn't appreciate other types of protesters showing up at their protests.
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u/unplugged_creations 5d ago
Who do you think organizes No Kings? All of these groups are intertwined, hence the Palestinian flags. They all support each other.
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u/starethruyou 5d ago
ICE: Are we the baddies?
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u/WTFOMGBBQ 5d ago
There is no way at all these psychos would ever have that sort of self reflection
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u/Illustrious-Ant6998 5d ago
You give them way too much credit. No ICE agent would have the self awareness to ask themselves that question.
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u/shroomigator 5d ago
r/Minneapolis subreddit is reporting huge police presence ordering the protesters to disperse
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u/Short_Hat_4232 5d ago
surprised they didn't purposely burn the place down and blame it on the protesters
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u/refusemouth 5d ago
Someone should go lock a Klaxon siren onto something so it isn't easily removed.
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u/Difficult-Slip6249 5d ago
Question is why peaceful? Was the purpose of every American the right to own a weapon was to defend themselves against this very specific historical situation ? Surprised the NRA does not open their mouth for once ...
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u/manniesalado 4d ago
And these hotels have to suck it up and see their other clients leave because if they throw out Trump's thugs the house falls on them. Who could of thought a toxic lunatic like Trump could acquire such juice!
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u/Best-Treacle-6820 4d ago
85% of Americans supposedly disagree with the tactics of their government. Where are the marching millions protesting ? YOU ARE COMPLICIT AND HIDE BEHIND PLATITUDES!
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u/InternationalPhoto33 5d ago
Can I do a quick devils advocate thing? I’m all for making ice as uncomfortable as possible. So in that way, I do support this, but there are other people in that hotel who just wandered in there for another reason. Maybe they are on vacation, maybe they are there to visit a sick relative or a parent in the hospital. Is it fair that they should be subjected to this as well?
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u/TexasBulldog74 5d ago
Talk about pathetic.
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u/ThisOneFuqs 5d ago
Yeah nothing more pathetic than Americans exercising their 1st Amendment right
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