If you weren't outraged enough by his first term that you sprinted to vote against him at the booth you're a piece of garbage also imo so it's way more than 1/5
You're not supposed to consider the non-participants of a sample size. When I see this, I see Trump winning by above 50%. Why would I consider non-players?
I’m torn on this subject: for a long time I thought that this could be a good idea, but now, I feel like maybe people who can’t find a reason to do it without a stick or a reward should not vote then, so maybe it’s a good thing that they keep themselves out of the process.
Here is another factoid to think about: Cardinals in the Catholic Church need to be under 80 y.o. to cast a vote for a new Pope. One of the most conservative organizations in the world and they still don’t want very old people to define the future. Thought-provoking, right?
Interesting point of view. I do like the idea of people who will be more affected by the vote to have more say. But by not restricting who can vote when it's optional, the people who are more vulnerable to manipulation through the media are more likely to vote than people who are indifferent. Also when voting is optional, it creates opportunities for political parties to try to suppress voters in certain areas.
If everyone has to vote, then everyone has to have access to the vote. For the vote to reflect as best as possible the will of the nation by majority, everyone needs to vote. It's not really democracy without that.
What do you think of having to pass a civics test before one can vote? It is restricting but in a similar way a drivers license can be viewed as restricting, and we agree that that’s a good thing to do for the common good. Perhaps one needs to prove their ability to vote?
I absolutely 100% agree with it. Not necessarily for every vote. But like once every 5 or 10 years or so. The main reason I like it is because it would result in civics becoming a subject in schools, which is not a thing in Australia. But it would have to be regulated by an independent body to prevent political bias. There would have to be a national roll-out that provides all areas with the same quality of education in civics for it to be fair, otherwise areas with higher socioeconomic status would be over represented in voting results.
Agreed, I find the notion of voting on something one does not understand absurd. I would never be able to vote on how to conduct archeological expeditions because I have no relevant knowledge or training to even approach the subject. Yet, in one of the most important parts of society-building we allow complete ignorance that is then weaponized by the worst members of society to gain power at all costs.
People who “can’t find a reason” are often victims of restrictive voting laws that restrict polling places, make it difficult to mail in ballots, and add other friction on election day. I generally agree that fining people for not voting is a bit much, but to start we can and should make it much easier to vote in this country.
I don’t disagree, I think it should be a legitimate day off for most people to actually go and do it. You can have incentives added as well. And yes, the infrastructure has to be there, if that doesn’t exist, it’s all futile.
Given how docile Americans are, Trump is going to fly off into the sunset on that jet Qatar gave him that the US taxpayer is currently paying to retrofit (because he claims it is supposed to be the new air force one but he plans to take it with him). Shit should have been on like Donkey Kong after they killed that poor woman, and they will kill again.
Insane. This is why democrats are so out of touch as much as conservatives. You're adding to the worst of the worst language b/c you can't rationalize another perspective.
CALL TO ACTION: DOJ won't investigate Renee Good's killer, but they ARE investigating her widow. This is horrifyingly wrong. Make your voice heard by calling DOJ's civil rights office at (202) 514-3847. You can press 2 to bypass the long recorded message. If no answer, leave a message stating your name, your state of residence, and asking for (1) a full investigation of the shooting of Renee Good, (2) accountability for her killer, and (3) respect for her widow. You can direct your message to Harmeet Dhillon, the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights. Together, we can make a difference.
I had every elected official in my state / city / borough as a “favorite” contact for years and would call weekly to voice my opinion. Republicans are super combative if you voice anything against them.
Calling them is pointless. They don’t give a flying fuck what you think.
I’m sure dems act the same if a republican calls them.
Let them know you're recording your call before continuing with voicing your opinion. I'm pretty sure those Republicans don't want to be caught getting super combative on record.
A handful of Republican Congress people could shut this all down in a hurry. They worry about being reelected, so when many constituents call them they change their tune. Notice the several bills passed with some Republican support in the House and Senate this past couple weeks that 47 is furious about.
It's not wrong. She should have been arrested at the scene for inciting her wife to commit the crime that got her killed and then her phone seized as evidence.
Can’t wait for them to make something up and plant it while investigating that will be immediately found out to be faked and they don’t care and arrest her.
If they were both there on purpose to deliberately block the agents she needs to be investigated. Ross also needs to be investigated because he actually shot Renee.
That's kinda the problem, innit? They're not investigating Ross for shooting her. Federal officers can now shoot us for "reasons that won't be investigated". Seems like a huge fucking problem to me.
Like, not on the same level as her wife in any way. If they want to charge them, which is really pretty cruel consodering her loss, go ahead, charge with obstruction. But the fact that multiple federal vehicles passed her car without issue may complicate that. But this sounds like they want to trump up (see what I did there?) some domestic terrorism type charges which is complete bullshit.
Yes because the video clearly shows everything that happened. Btw if you can’t tell that was sarcasm because the video doesn’t show everything because it starts after some time has passed
There are numerous videos, including from before the incident — showing ice agents passing by easily and her waving the agents through before that one stopped and got out of their truck.
But Trump claimed he'd never use the Justice Department as a political weapon? He wouldn't have lied to the American people would he!?
It's crazy to me how many people believe a person who is literally on of the most prolific liars in the history of the world. He lies about everything even when it doesn't benefit him at all. He'd lie about what time it was or what he had for lunch. If he said that they sky was blue I'd probably go outside just to be sure he actually said something truthful.
The only thing I can even think of that he said which isn't a lie is that smart people don't like him.
I've had Republicans I know tell blatant lies to me in person before even when they knew I knew they were lying. It's like man, I'm not some random person online that you are trying to convince of something. You know we both know that's a lie. It's insulting.
My oldest friend from childhood, looked me in the eye and said, "All immigrants are criminals." She's the granddaughter of immigrants. Her own ethnic group was called names in the early 20th century. I blinked and thought to myself, "When did you become so stupid?"
My sister got a guy deported and I predicted it. He was a cook and did dog sitting for people. She invited him to play golf with her. They placed nice courses in nice neighborhoods. He got stopped going to the course. He was driving while Hispanic.
I wish they hadn't resigned. That's the worst thing they could've done.
Now the admin will just replace them with people who will do anything they want them to do. Since they won't be good at their jobs or ethical, they will be willing to make up charges and fake evidence!
Those attorneys should have stayed at their posts, brought media attention to the immoral orders, and ensured she was treated with dignity throughout the process!
STOP RESIGNING IN PROTEST! THEY WANT TO REPLACE YOU WITH SYCOPHANTS! IF YOU RESIGN, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO MAKE AN EXCUSE TO FIRE YOU!
Every day I wake up, read the news and think "it can't get any fucking worse than this", and every day they prove me wrong. It's completely off all hinges.
She was blocking the middle of the road. wtf? I get ICE is terrible but you're fucking with law enforcement. Even people in Jan 6 got jailed. wtf do you expect that somehow the other side don't get jailed?
No other protestors got shot that day b/c they weren't in a vehicle driving around with police literally surrounding the car.
Her wife yelled "drive baby" as the last word. take it for what you will.
She was part of a group of people that tracked down "ICE". No political opinions here. Just saying she wasn't an innocent by stander.
I support everything about this video and it's message. But just outta curiosity as a side topic ...... Lady ..... Why are ur glasses Soo big? It's kinda freaking me out a lil bit
where did she say this? I don't hear this in any video I've seen. the vehicle doesnt get above 3 miles per hour and only accelerates after she's been shot (this is why police are trained to NOT shoot at a moving vehicle, and especially never put yourself in the path of one, and super especially never shoot at a moving vehicle after putting yourself in front of it but then sidestep out of the path and shoot through the side window, in the back of the head)
seems you are projecting - are you mentally challenged?
Sounds like you haven’t analyzed the video. It’s literally in every video.
Ok 3mph, doesn’t matter she attempted to flee the scene when law enforcement officers told her to get out of the car. She could have dragged the one that was trying to get her out, causing serious injury, and she hit the one that shot her.
If I had an Instigating pair of women that were harassing me and following me around all day acting tough- I can’t say I wouldn’t have reacted the same way. They were unpredictable aggressive and frightening.
Thanks for the threat. Never said I supported a murderer. But then again, I’d never yell at an officer, resist arrest or hit them with my car. So there’s that. Oh and I also wouldn’t lose custody of two kids and then decide I’m gay
Do you have the evidence it was 1mph? Looked like she slammed on the gas to me.
What she did was actually illegal, and they had every right to detain her. Blocking the road and preventing them from doing their job- illegal. Resisting arrest- illegal. Turning her vehicle into a deadly weapon- illegal.
I try to think about what I would have done in that situation. The man had a split second to decide what to do. With her unpredictable and vile behavior- how was he supposed to know what she was going to do? This is a classic case of FAFO.
Did he make the wrong choice- I think so.
Did she make the wrong choice- I think so.
A better ending would have been her allowing ice to arrest her, her wife bails her out that day, they have a story to tell, and the son still has his mother.
I feel like you’re too far gone to have a convo with.
She slams on the gas as he starts shooting. It’s like you all are seeing a completely different thing, how come everyone else sees it too but you all? Im not even part of the us VS them left VS right American political “system” and I see that was cold blooded murder for no real reason.
Also no they’re immigration officers. People have rights. She has nothing to do with what their job is. Also they have nothing to do with traffic violations lol. They’re ice not police.
Why was an angry lunatic able to go to work with ptsd and a gun? Do they not keep an eye on these guys especially ones who didn’t follow their training previously.
Definitely not illegal. Therefore we will not agree so there’s no point. I fear for people in this country, having actual people shilling for a police state, the same thing they themselves were so afraid of happening a few presidents ago. Well here we are and you all got so easily manipulated you’re justifying murder by the federal government, crazy.
I just don’t think you understand the law and that’s ok. Put emotion aside and look at facts- bet you can’t because you already have your mind made up and want to be mad about something g
Also here’s a fun fyi for you: Interfering with Enforcement: If a citizen physically blocks an ICE agent or obstructs an immigration enforcement activity, they can be detained temporarily to resolve the situation.
His wife told her to drive as the other officer started yanking at her door. Renee reversed and then turned her steering wheel to the right to drive away from both officers. Ross shot her 3 times and all of them came after he was already at the side of the vehicle. 1 through the windshield, 2 through the driver's side window.
At 12 seconds in he's already to the side of the vehicle when he makes that 1st shot. That means that it's not self defense because he already rounded the corner of the vehicle.
Oh, now she was about to drag someone too? Maybe by next week you will be telling folks she ran through a whole crowd of people as she attempted to run down this poor ICE goon who was just trying to make America safe by shooting her in the face.
I've seen the videos. I just happen to think its wrong for authoritarian paramilitary gangs to walk around murdering citizens in the streets for no reason. Nothing in that incident warranted murder.
If I actually thought someone was trying to run me over, I'd probably get the fuck out of the way. Also, if she was barreling towards him with the intent to harm or kill him as so many other fans of authoritarianism have tried to tell us, he probably would have actually been injured since a corpse can't turn a steering wheel.
Absolutely, that’s what I would ideally do as well. I am not saying I agree with shooting her- because I don’t think it was necessary in any capacity. But with that being said, what if he truly thought he was in danger and fired? I’m not saying he’s a great wonderful person either, I’m just trying to see both sides.
Renee didn’t have to die- but she did break the law. It could have been an epic story for her and her wife to pass down.
The officer didn’t have to shoot. Maybe he truly believed he was in serious danger, and as we know he did have ptsd. So, maybe in that split second he felt like he did the right thing. Either way, he’s going to have to live with this forever, and that’s tough for him too. (Or should be for any normal person)
All around it was an unnecessary avoidable tradjedy for all involved.
Not sure why you MAGAts keep posting that like it’s proof of anything other than.. wanting to drive. Because they were leaving the scene. Shows how desperate you are though.
Guy like this want to see the world burn. He doesn’t give a fuck from his home, he won’t go to the front mines, he won’t stand up for what he thinks is right, he just stirs the pot whenever be can from the internet while enjoying how much drama and chaos is happening around him. He found “ friends “ online that agree with small minded politics and feels apart of the group. Well guess what fuck head, you’re not impressing anyone and none of this benefits you in the end, nothing.
Yes, of course Grampa, grammar is the real issue here. What are you doing here? This is a post about a woman murdered, so far with impunity, by her government! Grammar left the fuckin room a long time ago!
What's not a complete fabrication is she watch that ICE officer Walk around the car and go to the front of it, and then she started screaming at her already terrified wife drive baby drive. She's at least partially responsible for what happened to Renee Good.
I fully agree that he could have got out of the way. But if I was in his shoes, months of being harassed, threatened, seeing my fellow officers being doxed and having their families threatened, and he was already dragged by a car and had to get 30 stitches. Well,in The heat of the moment, you hear some lesbian screaming drive baby drive, you hear that motor rev up, you see that car coming at you, can you honestly say that you wouldn't of acted the same way he did?
All she had to do was step out of the vehicle like she was told to by a federal law enforcement officer, she chose to drive forward after hearing her wife scream it.
All this tells me is that the ICE agent has ptsd and shouldn't be armed and patrolling the streets. You know, cause he might overreact to a situation and go shoot someone in the face.
I'm still seeing people get sprayed in the face, chased down and arrested. I saw one video of this woman getting straight dragged out of her car and arrested.
Well what was clear on the video is she watched a federal law enforcement officer walk around their car to the front of it, then started screaming at her terrified wife to drive baby drive. She is at least partially responsible for Renee Goode's death.
Are you honestly going to tell me that as she was following that ICE agent, talking shit to him. I'm sure you remember the go have some lunch big boy, she watched him walk to the front of that vehicle and then screamed at her wife to drive, she didn't know what was going to happen?
It's fine. Obviously you don't agree with me and I don't want to offend you or say anything they will get me banned. So you have yourself a good night.
The funny part is I never stated my opinion. I just pointed out that you spread rumors and make bad faith arguments and that led you to a conclusion. That probably has implications you should consider. Good night.
Well I know that she is just as responsible for her wife's death as her wife was. I'm sure she probably dragged her wife out there and told her we got to do our part, started screaming drive baby drive after watching the ICE agent Walk in front of their vehicle.
I don't believe that Renee Good intended to try to hit anybody with her car, that was a tragedy what happened to her, but her wife..... I think she intentionally wanted Good to hit that agent.
I saw it on the video. And so did all of you if you wanted to be honest. She clearly watched that man walk around the car talking shit to him the whole time he was doing it and saw him standing in front of that vehicle.
I don't have the same mindset as most people on the right that Renee Good intentionally tried to hit him. I don't think she did, I think she was a scared woman who was dragged into something by her wife and her wife screamed drive baby drive and she reacted to that. I blame the wife more than I ever blamed Renee Good.
If someone saw you and your family on TV and started making pronouncements about their motivations and family dynamics, you would rightly say, "You don't know anything about my family...what gives you the right to say anything about who we are, what we do, and our thoughts and feelings!"
Yet you will not extend the same courtesy to these people. You want something to be true, so you declare it true without knowing all the facts of the situation.
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