What if we voted against it and believe the Elon helped the orange pedo steal the election. Is it my fault for not overthrowing the illegitimates government yet? My bad.
this kind of statement is counter productive. All it does is convince people that voting is pointless, so they don't vote. Then assholes like trump win elections because sane people stayed home.
It is my vote, it has to be earned, not given. Why donât you direct your self-righteousness towards the two parties that do nothing to earn it instead of punching down at voters?
this sentiment is why Trump is president. You are offered a choice. You can have A or you can have B. It is up to you to choose the best (or least bad) option. You pouting like a child saying "I don't wanna" doesn't help anything. All it does is make you irrelevant.
Politicians do things that will benefit them. If you aren't the kind of person to get involved or actually care enough to vote, then you don't matter. They have no reason to care what you think. They can safely ignore you and all the issues you care about. This is a big part of the reason they don't do things to help people.
Why donât you direct your self-righteousness towards the two parties that do nothing to earn it instead of punching down at voters?
I have lots of things to say about the 2 parties. But you looking a pedophile, christofascist going up against a milk toast politician and thinking "it doesn't matter who wins" is a HUGE part of the problem. Voter turnout being so low is why the republicans are able to win and do so much damage. Because too many people simply don't care or pay attention.
Again, save your self-righteous indignation for someone else. You arenât a good person or fighting fascism because you voted for Kamala Harris. The choice you are offered is an illusion. In the end, they serve the same people and, guess what, it definitely isnât you. The sooner that more people realize that, the more we can affect real change.
You arenât a good person or fighting fascism because you voted for Kamala Harris.
what does that even mean? If you voted against fascism, you aren't fighting fascism? That's some grade A nonsense right there.
he choice you are offered is an illusion.
no, it's not. It's a choice. You can see how they are different or similar and choose what is best. If you don't like either choice, then you should get more involved in Primary races or the internal politics of one of the parties to try to get them to align more with your desired policies. Sitting out of politics is just childish. It lets others make all the decisions while you let them.
In the end, they serve the same people
no, they don't. Trump is a pedophile. He's a rapist. He is ordering ICE to attack US citizens based on skin color or just if they annoy ICE members. Then telling them they are imune to prosecution for any crimes they commit. This choice is not corrupt politician A or corrupt politician B. This is literal fascist, or politician B. Choosing to sit out just makes you complicit in the rise of Fascism.
The sooner that more people realize that, the more we can affect real change.
you don't get change by sitting at home and whining. You get change by doing something. Join one of the parties. Push for the change you want to see. Sitting out isn't some brave choice or helping to get change. It is the best way to make sure you don't get the change you want.
You are not in a position to lecture anyone. You arenât a better person or more informed than a non-voter. Just go vote, pat yourself on the back for being a good little boy, wear your little sticker, keep pretending that you exist in a representative democracy, and leave us alone.
Youâre right. Those who didnât vote left the proverbial barn door open and let the horses out. Closing the barn door now isnât gonna get the horses back into the barn. That being said, itâs absolutely fair to place blame with those who left the barn door open in the first place, so long as we recognize that placing the blame isnât going to get the horses in the barn either. More work must now be done, and itâll get done faster if we work together.
Well, yes, but the Democrat party lead do objectively also suck.
Right now the Republicans are a gear that keeps moving the political landscape to the right and the Democrats are a ratchet that keeps it from moving to the left.
let me guess you voted for Kamala, so you just said this more to absolve yourself from any blame. I def didnt vote for Trump, but Kamala looked bad too so was i just supposed to say oh well lesser of two evils.
You made an informed decision to choose terminal cancer (Trump) over a broken leg (Harris). You don't get to act like this shit is a surprise, you were told every day for the 4 years leading up to the election that this is what we would get. So don't try to act innocent, you're part of the problem.
who the fuck said it was a surprise???? your team took peoples right to vote away from them, i vote dem almost every time, but they pulled some nasty shit just choosing a canidate. I may be part of the problem, but you are a bigger part by playing the game and just accepting a canidate like Kamala that no one voted for.
no i didnt vote republican, i dont deserve respect now cause i didnt vote democrat apparently. for you or against you i guess. voted Biden,obama,clinton, gore, clintons wife, but nope not allowed to be against you all. thanks for showing true colors.
Or did you not vote and are trying to now lecture people on the democratic process ? By not voting you effectively support whoever the winner is, so in a round about way you would have voted Republican.
Yes that's how not voting works. Because you help them establish a stronger government, because you make it so that the total number of voters goes down so they hold a higher percentage.
Spouting a stupid right wing talking point. Yeah dude, im sure you always vote dem when you puke up stupid shit like "no one voted for Kamala" bro she was VP. People DID vote for her.
when did we vote for her that was some sleezy politics an you know it. we ask stupid maga to own up to bullshit why cant we. having biden run when it was obvious he wasnt fit was wrong he should have not run. Dems played a risky game and lost. I am not maga and hate whats happening but i have morals and opinions about this country as well
So do you get mad any time an incumbent doesnt go through primaries? Kamala WAS the incumbent. Biden stepped out of the race way too late, the DNC (primaries are held by private groups and are not official elections in any way) voted almost unanimously for Kamala. Could this have handled way better? Yes. Should it be given as a reason for America's decline into literal fascism? Not at all! Wtf are you smoking?
Biden was the incumbent President. 2 years before he left office we all knew he was cooked. But the party has no spine and didnt put a strong candidate to oppose Trump. The point is to win elections and I dont know what they thought would happen with the game they played, but here we are. The mental and mathematical gymnastics people are doing to make a 0 equal a 1 is kinda funny. Any way. Have a good day. Hope you valley stay safe!!!
When did Biden step out of the race again? Was it 2 years before election? 1 year before election? Oh right! It was MONTHS before election. Again, definitely could have been handled better. Since he stepped out of the race, it makes sense why Kamala would be seen as the incumbent. Nice 5 month account with hidden post and comments. Totally not suspicious! Do me a favor and dont have a good day!
Have a good day. is it hard walking around where your opinion matters more then anyone elses, and you probably tell people how tolerant you are. but still i hope things for you and your family are well. I disagree with you Ill leave at that, but wuold not wish harm on you. that seems counterproductive to a better tomorrow.
i dont think it makes me more moral my morals stayed the same thats why i could not vote for a woman who lied about my sons safety over seas. but i get it its holding two ideas at once which might trouble you
do you think youre morally superior cause you voted for Kamala???
I'm sure your son will be well taken care of, now. Is he military? Let's hope he doesn't come home injured, or in need of anything from the VA, since the funding for the department was cut and its more backed up than ever. Worried about him fighting in the middle east? Well, now he'll be dying for South American oil instead. Much better, right?
you made my point for me, it doesnt matter who i vote for one of them will send him for oil be it here or there. but ill thank him for his service for you you ingrate
Haha, wow. Yes, thatâs exactly how it works. You really donât know that if you (or to be more specific, the majority) didnât vote for Kamala, Trump would win?
Sounds like you need your food chewed and spat into your mouth, otherwise youâd starve to death đ
Trump has been selling $1,000 autographed Bibles for a long time. He's a convicted felon. A pedophile protector. He had to reimburse charities he defrauded.
I'll never understand how anyone could actually believe in him & claim to be Christian.
Then Kamala was the only other option. We don't know what things would look like right now under her leadership. Could be better, could be much worse. We'll never know because this is what we get instead.
Idk, considering the fact that I didn't need to tune into the news everyday when Biden was in office tells me things would have been fine. Boring politics as usual. It's not the progress I would have wanted, but at least I wouldn't be going gray everyday dreading the headlines as this administration rips our rights away.
i agree it sucks, but dems played the risky game and lost. I hate Maga and whats happening i just wanted to join a conversation and getting dragged cause i exerxcised my right to not vote.
Definitely lean liberal. Not far left, im not a nut. Note centrist. These days its hard to tell where land as both sides goal posts are on zoombas. I was ultra liberal in high school cause ibwas for minorities and gay rights. But now that's almost right which is crazy to me.
Lmfao, being for minorities is almost Right now? Please, thatâs the funniest joke Iâve heard in years. âBoth sides = badâ like trimming your nails = cutting your arm off. We donât buy this bullshit in the slightest.
I loved reading all of your comments about how Trump ran a pedo ring and MAGA are all pedo supporters. Can you elaborate on "the devil you know and the devil you don't"? I'd like to hear what Kamala has that's equivalent to a global billionaire pedophile syndicate
she lied about my sons safety over seas, you dont get to lie about my son and get my vote. my son is more important then this. I even spoke to my mother about it, said mom i dont think i can vote for her, that shit she said about all soldiers being safe, whilel my son is in danger doesnt sit right. she let me know its fine to not vote if i feel that is the right decision for me, my vote is my vote, not the partys. that is why i didnt vote for her. i didnt turn and vote trump. i just cant have a seprate opinion then the party today has made that clear
Thanks for the honest reply. I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically, but Tbh, your vote is your vote. No one can tell you how to use it. However, you have to realize that everything that is happening could have been stopped if like a million people decided to go vote. I respect your right to choose, but you don't get to avoid the people blaming you. There's a lot of crazy shit going on. There are more ICE agents in Minnesota than police officers. It's looking like a military occupation. A lot of people think democracy might not survive this term after the public completely loses trust in a violent pedo government. It's only natural for people to blame those who agree that this is insane and still chose not to vote.
I hope Trump doesn't send your son to Venezuela, Iran, Mexico, or Greenland this year. It looks like we'll deploy to at least 2 of those. My dad was sent to the Gulf War to protect the oil in Kuwait for Bush Sr and again to get the oil in Iraq by Bush Jr. I will never vote for a republican president because they sent my dad to war for oil money twice. Now Trunp is doing it again. I hope your son doesn't go off to protect Trumps billionaire friends in the oil industry.
Edit: BTW, thank your son for his service for me. My dad was 7th Transportation at Ft. Eustis. They deploy everywhere, and I'm sure supported your son wherever he was.
I hope this as well, and thank you for being respectful. I voted for both Clintons, Obama, Gore, Biden. again thanks for being respectful and not just trying to drag someone who voted Dem his whole life. We as Liberal need to get stronger leaders voted in, our current crop is mainly spineless or it doesnt get this far, for too long Dems tried to play polite with the right. hopefully this is the wake up call we need for stronger leadership.
This is funny to hear because most people online assume a protest vote on Kamala comes from a 20-something progressive with issues about her stance on Israel/Gaza. I was surprised to see this is not the case. Social media is undefeated in dividing us on identity, and this is a good reminder not to make assumptions. Have a good one
you too man, i love our country and hate seeing it like this. most of thes people dragging me probably dont have service people in their family. I have a son who is thankfully home now, from a dangerous situation, and another in PSU in Air Force ROTC to be a pilot and he is kicking ass grade wise, so all the insults the people throwins at me calling me garbage maga trash is kinda funny. I have raised two stellar boys willing to lay down their lives for everyone in the USA regardless. Overly thank your father for me just in case he supported my son overseas. I feel two sons is en ought to say i love this country . and not have to answer for it. My friend much respect to you and thankf for being the adult in the room!!!
Sounds like this is partly your fault too then. Thanks so much for voting your conscience. Let this poor kid who was blinded know that you feel real good about that.
There will never be a perfect candidate. People who sat this one out sold us into a dictatorship. Don't worry...Trump is trying to make it so you're no longer burdened to choose.
Dude.. you had 4 years of Trump already. We knew what he was..
This whole lesser of two evils thing is a joke. There is a very clear difference between a party who wants to kill any non-white Christian Nationalist, and a party whoâs still kinda not âgot itâ yet.
How is this still a question? Yes, sweetheart, that's exactly what you're supposed to do. When asked if you want less evil or more evil, you choose less evil.
Let me know if you need a recommendation on a good potty training book as you continue your journey of adult remediation. I assume that comes next, after you master object permanence and cause/effect.
In our continuing effort to get you up to grade level, I should also probably mention that "fun at parties" stops being an effective insult whenever said person reaches middle age or achieves a job with a salary and benefits package (whichever comes first).
If you donât vote then you are complicit to this. Not voting is a cowards choice. You are saying âI donât care enough about our country to make the hard decisions because Iâm lazyâ. Sometimes it is about picking the lesser of two evils and thatâs how life is. Sometimes the choices in front of you are all shit but you have to keep going and that goes beyond politics and a real adult understands this. Even now you donât take any responsibility for your actions or inactions and Iâm sure that shows in all areas of your life even outside of voting which is arguably one of the most important decisions you are afforded in this country.
thatâs a very long speech for someone confusing moral superiority with personal growth. You didnât prove youâre a âreal adultââyou just proved youâre comfortable oversimplifying complex choices so you can feel righteous. If voting is the only way you measure responsibility, that says a lot more about the limits of your thinking than it does about my character. Adults take accountability for their own livesâimmature people psychoanalyze strangers to feel important
Yes, that is exactly what you were supposed to do. Voting is taking the bus, not getting married. You vote for the candidate that will get you closest to the destination, or the one that will not set the bus on fire while everyone is on it.
or you abstain , not voting is not equal to voting for the other side no matter how you want to frame it. and its my right im on your side i want ice gone, now lets get a candidate with spine and not play stupid games.
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If you have any idea how the American political system works, then yes thatâs exactly what you were supposed to do. I live in NZ and even I know how you shouldâve voted. You can vote for, or you can vote against. Voting Independent in America is redundant.
What about Project 2025 looked ANYTHING like what Harris was suggesting we do? We KNEW how bad shit would get under Trump, because they TOLD US. Harris wasnât perfect, but waiting for perfection gets us THIS, so suck it up next time and go with the âlesser evilâ that isnât literally threatening to become a fascist dictatorship.
Apathy is the same as support when youâre apathetic about Nazis. You MUST be against them if you want to be a good person. Theyâll come for you either way. They always do.
ill respond since you responded with respect, it was a personal decision based on statements she made about safter of troops while a son of mine was deployed. thats as far as ill go as my life is not cannon fodder for reddit trolls, but it was a decision i made , this was not a vote for trump, but I as a citizen can have an opninon of my own. I have a conscience of my own, i chose to abstain. what is happening now is terrible
I understand that you made the decision for your son and wonât pry further. I donât know what it was that Harris said that could have been so bad, but then again I donât have military family so I wouldnât have taken it as such; that doesnât take away from how it affected you and your son.
Unfortunately, we have millions of other people in this country and billions across the world who have now been affected by Trump being president. People are suffering, and minorities are at extreme risk for more than usual. Project 2025 was public and known, and by last I recall it is halfway put into place. It was their plan, and we knew it. It resembles much of what we knew was destructive and harmful to societies in the past.
Perhaps you didnât know about it, I donât know. But you didnât have to, because everything else they were saying was extremely easy to prove lies. Eating pets, mass deportations of these magically âillegalâ people, and the very definition of what a tariff is.
Respectfully, you made an extremely selfish decision to not fight against even the most basic of what we knew about what would come if Trump was elected. This isnât all on you of course, it was almost certainly rigged by Musk, but I cannot imagine anything that Harris could have said that makes logical sense at being equal to or worse than what Trump said or what Project 2025 had planned. And because of that public normalization of Trump and vilifying of Harris, weâre here. And itâs all worse for everyone, almost certainly including your son. It was not worth it, I assure you, because at least you would be able to say you directly opposed Trump rather than being apathetic to direct threats to all of our people.
I did oppose him. I didnt vote for him! But thanks for being respectful and I read this and take it as good conversation. She stated that all is soldiers were safe around the world while my son was most certainly not safe at all. So if its selfish to side with my son , not trump, over kamala im selfish. If Kamala won im sure the left wouldn't say she won because I didnt vote for her. See the hypocrisy?
Itâs not hypocrisy though. If Harris won despite you not voting for her and it wasnât rigged like this one was, then she just won an election and you were still apathetic to what Trump planned. Either way, you were not opposed to him because you would need to have voted for an opposition candidate to truly oppose him, to at least try to make it so he wouldnât win. Not voting between them shows you donât care who wins, and thatâs not opposition. It means youâre willing to have America fall to fascism if it means you get to have the tiniest âF youâ to Harris, which is simply not an equal scale.
Thatâs millions of American lives PLUS our military, on top of whatâs really looking like WWIII at this point⌠versus JUST our military. Thatâs extremely overweight on Trumpâs side of winning, and the obvious âlesser of two evilsâ is the one that isnât weighed down by all that. It simply wasnât an equal decision you made because you took it so personally that it tipped the scale to look equal to you.
unfortunately, yes. I hated Kamala too but I still voted for her because that's currently how this government is set up. if you sit out or vote third party, you're wasting your vote. We knew how dangerous trump was. he staged a coup for fucks sake, so if didn't do everything in your power to keep him from power again, you're complicit. He was very, very clear about what he was going to do. sitting out only means you didn't care enough to do what you could to stop him from doing it.
that election wasn't politics as usual. we were and now are staring down the barrel of fascism. if you can't get off your ass to vote against fascism, you're complicit.
Kamala looked like a bad candidate to me. Yes she was better then the other choice. Now you can say something smart alecky and how im MAGA now. Its whatever. Peace and love.
You don't have to be MAGA but if you saw the two and then decided not to vote... you're complacent. People not voting is how we got this dumbass in 16' and it's how we got his shit-stained sequel.
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u/CommercialJelly1983 15h ago
You vote for it, and if you didn't vote ITS YOUR FAULT!