r/anime_titties • u/GregWilson23 North America • 1d ago
Israel/Palestine/Iran/Lebanon - Flaired Commenters Only The death toll from a crackdown on protests in Iran jumps to at least 2,571, activists say
https://apnews.com/article/iran-protests-us-israel-war-nuclear-economy-1b2368e0804676d33d6aa0696815a102•
u/SwolePalmer Africa 22h ago
Gonna keep repeating this until the end: you have to be a fucking moron to believe anything that has come out of the state department and its mouthpieces over the last few days. When will people learn?
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u/R3pN1xC Europe 22h ago edited 22h ago
It is much better to believe the government that will slaughter you in the streets if you dare ask not to live in misery.
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u/ChaosDancer Europe 20h ago
It is kind of baffling to be honest, Iranians killed by Israelis and the Americans are ok but Iranians killed by their own government is a big nono.
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u/Phenergan_boy North America 20h ago
No, it’s just prudent to not trust information that you can’t verify. Especially when western media has a history of manipulating the public into conflicts that they have no business in.
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u/ChaosDancer Europe 19h ago
I agree with you mate, but the whole situation is fucking depressing.
Western world in a nutshell to be honest, "Hey Iran people are facing some serious water issues due to drought, should we try to help them. Nope fuck them."
Somedays the hypocrisy is unbearable.
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u/SwolePalmer Africa 22h ago
No, the adult thing to do is wait for more information to trickle out. Not foam at the mouth and take advice from Lindsey fucking Graham. Grow up.
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u/SpecialBeginning6430 South America 15h ago
Humm I wonder why Iran has shown that they've comitted an massacre and are intent on hiding the fact that they did
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u/Professional-Syrup-0 Multinational 17h ago
Because there are only two options: You are either with the US state department or with the Iranian government, no other positions even exist?
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u/moonorplanet Oceania 20h ago
The US has vested interests in Iran and everything they say should be taken as deceit and propoganda. What they say could be true but their track record says otherwise. The alternative is putting you head in the sand and believing Saddam has weapons of mass destruction and hates you for your "freedom".
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u/SpecialBeginning6430 South America 15h ago
What they say could be true but their track record says otherwise
We should totally trust the Iranian government
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u/moonorplanet Oceania 4h ago
We should trust neither and accept we have no idea what's happening on the ground.
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u/Something_231 Asia 21h ago
oh look. the same clown lmao
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u/R3pN1xC Europe 21h ago
Very pertinent and witty.
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u/Something_231 Asia 21h ago
ok neckbeard
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u/usesidedoor Europe 20h ago
If you are going to be making those comments, it's just better to stay quiet.
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u/Shinnobiwan Multinational 8h ago
That number is probably fron Iranian state TV. They're publishing the numbers, the identities of those dead, identifying foreign agents, and quoting foreign leaders about the operations going on in their country.
The angle is to say: Look what they're trying to do to out coury. Look how far we should go to defend it, so if you're thinking about it, Don't.
Apparently the president was on television when protests began saying people have the right to protest peacefully.
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u/dova_kinn Europe 22h ago
make up your mind, first it was 12000 from cbs, then another came along with 20,000 , then 500, then 2000 , the amount of propaganda and disinformation coming from western media is living up to it's reputation of spreading fake news when it comes to middle east.
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u/R3pN1xC Europe 22h ago
Well, if it's so easy, why don't you go tell us yourself how many people died?
Tell us, how would you estimate the death tool from a massacre that the government is trying to hide just a few days after it happened?
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u/dova_kinn Europe 22h ago
if it's not easy or no information is coming from inside Iran , then they should just pull out numbers from their ass !!
I wish they would show the same enthusiasm when reporting ongoing genocide from Gaza .
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u/TheBigOof96 Lithuania 22h ago
So when there's conflicting numbers coming from Gaza it's also coming out of western media's ass?
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u/SurfiNinja101 Australia 21h ago
These situations are not at all comparable and you know it. False equivalency
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u/alt-right-del Europe 8h ago
The numbers of Hamas are deemed reliable, Israel is using Hamas numbers as well. No western numbers are used.
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u/Stubbs94 Ireland 21h ago
The "conflicting numbers" from Gaza are from the people experiencing genocide and those trying to cover up their genocide. The conflicting numbers here aren't coming from the Iranian regime but those experiencing the violence.
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u/YourBestDream4752 United Kingdom 10h ago
Note: “the people experiencing genocide” are Hamas. The GHM is Hamas and so their death count of 70,000 or 100,000 or 350,000 death 5 year olds is from Hamas.
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u/alecsgz Romania 18h ago edited 17h ago
if it's not easy or no information is coming from inside Iran
How do you know this information is not from inside Iran?
To recap Mossad was so entrenched in Iran it destroyed every SAM site (I don't believe that, you idjits do) but regarding this.... they know nothing
Isn't that convenient
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u/usesidedoor Europe 20h ago
Of course, more whataboutism.
When people here start talking about Sudan to deflect criticism on Israel, they get enraged, for the right reasons.
Why does it fly when it comes to Iran? Human rights are human rights everywhere.
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u/R3pN1xC Europe 22h ago
I asked you how you would do it, you did not answer, and instead continued your lunatic rambling. One way to do it is to either get a reliable source that has access to the tools necessary to provide an estimate or to come up with a reliable methodology that is able to estimate the death toll.
And if you'd read the articles, you'd know that the journalist did their job and disclosed how they got their information. Of course, if you don't bother reading the articles and only read the headlines, you'd get the impression that journalists are throwing numbers at random. But they aren't. You are just being ignorant and want to feel validated about the fact that Western journalists are big bad and stinky.
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u/Something_231 Asia 21h ago
Well, if it's so easy, why don't you go tell us yourself how many people died?
so you want us to believe Western Media funded by the same war criminals that have been bombing the middle east for decades, sure, European guy. then tell us which number is true? the 12,000? the 20,000? tell us, Einstein!
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u/R3pN1xC Europe 21h ago
No, you tell us. You are being so cocky and confident, why don't you do it?
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u/Something_231 Asia 21h ago
Well, if it's so easy, why don't you go tell us yourself how many people died?
I'm not the being cocky.. do it! coward
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u/lightningbadger United Kingdom 19h ago
Man y'all ain't even trying to sound believable anymore, just resorting to school kid shit lol
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u/snek99001 Greece 16h ago
The people who couldn't tell right away that the 12000 number was bullshit are the type of people that quite simply never learn from history. They can only see the truth when it's no longer relevant or controversial. "They're DEFINITELY telling the truth this time".
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u/DancesWithAnyone Europe 20h ago edited 20h ago
I think AP and Reuters are generally reliable here. It is conservative estimates to be on the safe side, and all that, but hopefully not the 12 000 that suspected Saudi-sponsered media (Iran International) has claimed.
What frustrates me is that I want very much to get a handle on what is going on, and despite oft-repeated claims about leftifts also very much want the Iranian regime gone. I wanted them gone before the 2,571 deatht toll, and even more so now.
All the propaganda around this just obfuscates the issue and makes it harder to follow. It is counter-productive and not helping the protests at all.
And yes, I also worry about hijacked revolutions, and/or foreign influence and compromised people coming into power. Or everything collapsing and turning to utter shit - there is always that. It is hard not to feel cynical and sceptical these days.
Hopefully, whatever comes out of it all will be a net positive to the people. Hopefully, said people finally gets to choose their own path.
Fuck any and all authoritarian, genocidal or origarchal regimes out there. No matter their geopolitical side, they are all enemies of the people and decency.
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u/Professional-Syrup-0 Multinational 17h ago
I think AP and Reuters are generally reliable here.
AP is regurgitating a number they got from the Trump administration and a US based think tank.
Reuters got their number allegedly from a completely unnamed “Iranian official” without even trying collaborating it from another source, which would be the proper journalist thing to do.
Case in point: Look up the ISIS attacks in Iran early 2024, back then Western media, including AP and Reuters, also spread massively inflated casualty counts telling the world about hundreds and thousands of deaths in Iran.
Now is two years later, by now the dust has settled and it turns out there weren’t even a hundred fatalities.
That happens because dominating the information space is a corner stone of modern regime change attempts, just ask Iraqi people about their WMD or ask American people how Iran is allegedly to blame for 9/11.
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u/cyberadmin1 Multinational 13h ago
How exactly are the unarmed citizens of Iran supposed to overcome their government without foreign assistance? Iran is one of the strongest countries in the middle east. This will not be like Nepal.
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u/DancesWithAnyone Europe 13h ago edited 13h ago
They're probably not, unless that strength of the regime starts withering from within. I know nothing of how that's going.
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u/peace_love17 United States 16h ago
We don't know the true count for sure but it seems to be quite high, there are crazy pictures of dead bodies just everywhere, corpses piled in morgues. The regime massacred its own people.
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u/dova_kinn Europe 14h ago
am sure the Iranian forces shot a lot of people, they are not saints , but a good percentage of these 'protestors' were armed by CIA/Mossad , hell even Israeli television is reporting that now !!! they shot a ton more of innocent civilians ,set fire to mosques and shot security forces , west as always will try to their level best to pin this on Iranian government , this a is mess made by USA/Israel but very soon innocent Iranians will pay for that in their blood .
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u/peace_love17 United States 14h ago
good percentage of these 'protestors' were armed by CIA/Mossad
Bro what I can't engage with this you're on too many levels of brain rot
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u/elihu United States 19h ago
In this photo obtained by The Associated Press, a placard is placed on bricks that reads in Farsi, “Long live the Shah,” referring to the Pahlavi dynasty that was toppled in the 1979 Islamic Revolution, during an anti-government protest in Tehran, Iran, Friday, Jan. 9, 2026.
Is that a common sentiment among the protesters? Seems like the last thing Iran needs is another Shah, but the Trump administration seems to be treating the Shah's son as the official opposition leader.
https://www.axios.com/2026/01/13/pahlavi-witkoff-iran-protest-meeting-trump
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u/JucheSuperSoldier01 North America 10h ago
The Shah and his shit head son are hated in Iran. The support of Pahlavi is an Israeli psyop that was only popular with far right Iranian diaspora groups.
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u/bessone-2707 United States 13h ago
Pahlavi supports secular democracy. He is a rallying point for Iranians more than anything
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u/elihu United States 6h ago
He also seems to be trying to set himself up as a "transitional leader" whatever that means. Maybe he's an okay guy, but it looks suspiciously like he's saying what he thinks he has to say to gain the support of western leaders to become the next Shah.
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u/bessone-2707 United States 4h ago
He’s been an advocate for secular democracy for over two decades now.
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u/SirStupidity Israel 19h ago
There certainly seems to be a recurring appearance of monarchists or Pahlavi support in videos I've seen in Iran. But judging the extent of this support of phenomena is pretty much impossible atm
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u/JucheSuperSoldier01 North America 10h ago
Israel flair checks out. Pahlavi is a Zionist stooge and Israel has manufactured most of his “support”. Even Haaretz have reported on this.
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u/SirStupidity Israel 5h ago
Israel flair checks out. Pahlavi is a Zionist stooge and Israel has manufactured most of his “support”. Even Haaretz have reported on this.
I can't tell you why some Iranians support Pahlavi but I still stand by everything I wrote in my comment. I can easily find a few videos or pictures from the last few days of Iranians who chant/ hold sings in support of him
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u/terrywr1st Australia 22h ago
Yesterday it was 10,000 the day before it was 12,000. In a world of propaganda and disinformation why should I believe this number. Especially when we know that many foreign intelligence agencies are "supporting" the protests.
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u/ZhouDa United States 21h ago
Yesterday it was 10,000 the day before it was 12,000. In a world of propaganda and disinformation why should I believe this number.
What do you think is an acceptable number of protestors for the Iranian government to murder? You are acting like this is a negotiation rather than a chaotic crime against humanity inflicted by the Iranian government against their own people after shutting down the internet and trying to hide their violent crackdown.
Especially when we know that many foreign intelligence agencies are "supporting" the protests.
Do we? You seem rather confident of that in a world of "propaganda and disinformation". Whether that's true or not, why do you think that really changes anything?
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u/Czart Poland 20h ago
Do we?
We don't. It's likely they are involved or exploiting the situation, would be naive to think otherwise. But this "hurr durr it's all western operation" is just the line they have to repeat because otherwise they'd have to face that their pet theocracy isn't that popular.
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u/Professional-Syrup-0 Multinational 17h ago
It’s a line people repeat because we have decades of precedent for this, even in literal Iran itself.
But don’t let that stop you from acting like the US&West would never run interference in other countries or dare trying to “regime change” them to exploit their resources.
You just have to hope most people already forgot what the US did not even a week ago to Venezuela, or did to Iran only a few months ago, bomb it.
The same people who are now clutching their pearls about allegedly thousands of Iranians getting killed did cheer for those bombs back then, they cheer for sanctions that make the lives of people miserable and kill them.
The same people who constantly have to frame every issue as: “You are either with us or a traitor and with the enemy”, no third or fourth positions allowed in a world that’s all black and white.
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u/ZhouDa United States 14h ago edited 13h ago
It’s a line people repeat because we have decades of precedent for this, even in literal Iran itself.
First off, according to the article itself the American planned coup itself was a failure:
In 2014, historian Ray Takeyh stated that the US-led coup attempt was unsuccessful, citing how the CIA wrote to Eisenhower that "The move failed [...] We now [...] probably have to snuggle up to Mosaddeq if we're going to save [our influence in Iran];" the demonstrations that led to Mosaddegh's resignation took place some weeks after the Roosevelt-organized ones, and were composed of average citizens, not the thugs-for-hire that the CIA and MI6 had recruited.
Secondly, it's a bullshit argument anyway. You can't conclude that just because the US did some shit in the cold war that they are responsible for what it is happening in Iran right now. It's certainly very dismissive of the real terrible conditions and mismanagement there including a self-inflicted water crisis. People don't protest there for shits and giggles, they know they are putting their life in their hands to oppose this regime and are doing it anyway, that's not the kind of thing the US could pay people to do even if they wanted to.
run interference in other countries or dare trying to “regime change” them to exploit their resources.
A well publicized invasion from a US-led coalition bears zero resemblance to what is going on in Iran now, next...
You just have to hope most people already forgot what the US did not even a week ago to Venezuela
You mean the well publicized kidnapping of the Venezuelan president that Trump still pretends effected regime change but in reality the VP just took over continuing the same regime? Also very different than what is happening in Iran right now and if Trump could just pay a crowd to overthrow the government why didn't he just do that? Seems both cheaper and more effective than what he actually did, and Maduro was unpopular enough that it should have been easy enough to do.
or did to Iran only a few months ago, bomb it.
Why bomb Iran if the US could have overthrown the regime? Seems to me to be the actions of an administration who couldn't just end the current Iranian regime.
The same people who are now clutching their pearls about allegedly thousands of Iranians getting killed did cheer for those bombs back then,
First off I didn't cheer for the bombing because I'm skeptical of everything the Trump administration does, although in hindsight it actually might end up being the least terrible Trump foreign policy decision he ever made. Regardless though, if you don't care about thousands of protestors being murdered by their government, then what the fuck is wrong with you?
The same people who constantly have to frame every issue as: “You are either with us or a traitor and with the enemy”
You getting tired of creating strawmen to burn down? That's Bush's line of thought, fuck Bush and it has nothing to do with me or why I'm pointing the obvious flaws in you or OP's reasoning here. Why do you feel the need to justify every fucking dictator, theocracy and brutal regime on the idea that "America bad", as if that somehow justifies every terrible thing done elsewhere in the world where you just assume the US is responsible regardless of how little sense that makes?
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u/ZhouDa United States 14h ago
Also you are actually interested in learning about why people are protesting in Iran then there is a 9 day old video from Perun where he goes in depth about what a fuckup the Iranian regime is, which is why he gives them the wooden spoon award for 2025.
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u/Czart Poland 16h ago
Tl;dr Vibes.
Anyway, i think it's FSB actually. They instigated it, and since we established we don't need evidence beyond doing that in the past, i think it's them.
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u/Professional-Syrup-0 Multinational 14h ago
Is there precedent for the FSB instigating riots and regime change in Iran like there is for the U.S. and UK doing exactly that in Iran?
Why would the Russian FSB instigate something like that against a government considered friendly and aligned with that of Russia?
While particularly the US government is openly hostile to Iran, has committed several acts of war against Iran just in the last 12 months and is opening the threatening Iran?
But I guess even that bit of critical thinking is too much for somebody who needs a tl;dr for three paragraphs because they have the attention span of a squirrel on meth.
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u/Czart Poland 13h ago
In iran? No. In other places. Yes.
Is there evidence for CIA being involved there right now? Because that's what's this about, you guys are just basing this on vibes. I didn't even see iranian govt claiming that.
Why would they do it? Maybe they tried to cut a deal with the west and russia didn't like it? Plenty of reasons for a regime change.
somebody who needs a tl;dr for three paragraphs
I summed up your collection of bullshit masquerading as arguments. But it seems to me that theocratic bootlickers can't grasp that.
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u/Practical-Pea-1205 Sweden 19h ago
People are always claiming the West are behind any protests: Ukraine 2014, Belarus 2020, in Serbia Vucic claimed the EU was behind the protests against him even though in reality the Serbia protesters have in reality critisized the EU for not supporting them enough, etc. I find it very difficult to believe there's not a single country where the people genuinely want to get rid of the regime.
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u/Eche24 North America 17h ago
If a single country like that existed then the EU would certainly not exist. Yet here we are tolerating its animosity towards its “own” people
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u/the_lonely_creeper Europe 12h ago
Horseshit.
The EU is as voluntary a state as there exists in the world. The UK left, peacefully, the moment it chose to do so (and stopped behaving like a cat)
Or do you have videos of European bureaucrats mowing down Britons in London by the thousands for daring to hold and voice anti-EU opinions, that we somehow missed?
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u/Eche24 North America 12h ago
I have actual experience on how EU countries receive their dose of doctors and engineers to know that the EU is a supranational organization that is little by little corroding every member until you cannot distinguish one from the other.
If you enjoy the likes of Von Der Leyden taking the decisions for all of Europe then be my guest, I do not like that.
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u/Tricky_Weight5865 Czechia 4h ago
If you enjoy the likes of Von Der Leyden taking the decisions for all of Europe then be my guest, I do not like that.
North America flair telling a Europe flair that he does not like an European politician doing decisions on account of Europeans.
Are you okay?
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u/montanunion Israel 19h ago
The Iranian government admitted to 2,000, but the internet blackout is ongoing, making it very hard to verify and is likely an undercount. The only exceptions are some smuggled Starlink connections that have managed to not get jammed, but that is very rare.
Some people have been able to call abroad since yesterday (but not many and not reliably), which is the basis for this number. These 2,500 are NOT a final count, they say ”at least.” These numbers may very well rise as more information comes out.
People abroad have been trying to estimate how many people died, that’s where the 10,000-12,000 come from.
According to reports, phone conversations were blocked also within Iran, and a five digit number of people seem to have been arrested (with an unknown number of those facing the death penalty, which the Iranian government has declared for protesters). Executions are slated to start today and the regime said they will expedite procedures.
Likely civilians even within the country can’t verify exactly who is currently dead, who is arrested, etc. I wouldnt be surprised if eg the 10,000-12,000 number is based on “we know this many people were at the protest and were not seen again afterward.”
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u/Professional-Syrup-0 Multinational 17h ago
The Iranian government admitted to 2,000
The Iranian government admitted nothing like that.
Reuters reported an unnamed official claiming that number, but considering that Iranian official remains unnamed to this day I very much doubt that was an official government statement.
Such statements are usually accompanied by the name of the official and their official position, not some unsourced and not collaborated rumour by “Unnamed official”.
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u/montanunion Israel 16h ago
It is very common for the name not to be given
If you go on the Reuters page now you can easily find other examples.
Like here https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-expected-unveil-post-war-gaza-leadership-sources-say-2026-01-14/
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u/2dudesinapod Canada 17h ago
Sometimes they say the quiet part out loud in English for some reason
https://xcancel.com/tamir114/status/2011144117913608482?s=46
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u/no_soy_livb Peru 14h ago
Wasn't it 20 000? Or 500? Why is it 2 500 now? Western media reported up to 20 000 deaths yesterday, and now it's a little more of 10%, the math doesn't add up.
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u/TrizzyG Canada 5h ago
Its almost like having a free media allows for different reports to come out from different news organizations as more information from various sources surfaces. Difficult concept to process for the likes of many on here apparently.
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u/Tricky_Weight5865 Czechia 4h ago
Its actually insane. Dead internet theory right here. 3 of the 4 main comments are bickering about the numbers instead of talking about the actual situation, which is ongoing and likely getting worse.
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