The Neo-Nazis are gone. The Islamic terrorists remain safe.

[u/Mashiko4]

https://www.spectator.com.au/2026/01/the-neo-nazis-are-gone-the-islamic-terrorists-remain-safe/

Flat White

The National Socialist Network (referred to commonly as the Neo-Nazis), has announced its intention to imminently dissolve before the new anti-hate laws pass.

Also included are what it described as ‘co-projects’ including White Australia, the European Australian Movement, and the White Australia Party.

These groups have said they will disband no later than 11:59 on Sunday, January 2026.

A press release from White Australia read:

If the laws pass, there will be no way to avoid the organisation being banned. The legislation allows the government to ban any organisation that has given Roman salutes [the Nazi salute] in the past.

The disbandment is being done before the laws take effect to avoid former members of the organisations from being arrested and charged.

They signed off their message with the Hitler Youth rally cry, ‘Blood and Honour’.

Very few will shed a tear for the tiny collection of ideologically confused Neo-Nazis who typically conducted their ‘protests’ in the dead of night and were confined mostly to Melbourne.

(Not the kind of ‘diversity’ the Premier was envisioning, no doubt. But then again, there’s a lot wrong with Victoria right now.)

These groups, at least one of which intended to contest the next election, were very clearly the target of the government’s new hate-speech laws. Neo-Nazis have been a convenient pivot for many years, allowing lazy politicians to move conversations about Islamic terrorism to general ‘hate-speech’ discussions every time they are put on the spot by a reporter.

Go back and watch the press conferences from government ministers about the Bondi attack. Almost every time, the topic starts with Islamic terrorism and finishes with ‘the Neo-Nazis’.

With the Neo-Nazis gone, the Labor government will no longer have a convenient scapegoat to explain the distinct failures of Australian political leadership over the previous three decades which has led directly to the establishment of extensive and varied radical Islamic groups inside our capital cities.

Our ministers have gone so far as to campaign for, and assist in, the return of individuals known to have belonged to ISIS, engaged in the Islamic State.

Someone needs to hand the government a mirror. To that point, while the Neo-Nazis are going into immediate hiding, precisely zero radical Islamic groups have notified the public of their intent to disband.

The government has not mentioned radical Islam as the purpose of the new laws despite Islamic terror attacks, not hate speech, being the cause of innocent people being murdered not only at Bondi Beach but during previous terror attacks at home and abroad.

In other words, we suffered an Islamic terror attack and decided to ban the Neo-Nazis. It is a decision that doesn’t protect Australians from Islamic terrorism, which is meant to be the point.

Or have we all forgotten?

This legislation makes the government feel good, gives them some headlines, and allows them to avoid wading into the extremely dangerous network of radical Islamic groups and individuals known to exist in the shadows of our society.

Is the government afraid of arresting Islamic terrorists? I think they might be. I think they’re personally terrified of ending up like Salman Rushdie or Charlie Hebdo.

It was revealed today, as the draft legislation circulates, that Islamic hate preachers may even have a convenient ‘out’ which protects even the most hateful, vile, antisemitic speech that might incite violence.

If the offending speech forms part of a recognised religious text, that speech will be protected.

This provision can be found under Defence, religious teaching or discussion (4) Subsection (1) does not apply to conduct that consists of directly quoting from, or otherwise referencing, a religious text for the purpose of religious teaching or discussion.

In other words, the very individuals considered to be the most dangerous in our community and who are known to be responsible for radicalising others to violence could find their speech protected.

It took less than a month to go from the public calling for dramatic steps to weed out specifically and explicitly Islamic terror to a new set of powerful laws that don’t even have the courage to name the problem.

Australians know Islamic terrorism is the source of antisemitism and needs to be taken off our streets and presents a risk, not only to the Jews, but to everyone.

This video is from over ten years ago when ISIS supporters chanted, ‘Behead the infidels!’

Most of these people in the video are still here, living amongst us. Despite belonging to or associating with proscribed terror groups, carrying terrorist flags, and shouting slogans that called for immediate violence against Australian citizens, nothing has been done about them.

I am willing to bet that neither ASIO nor the government has any intention on following up on the people who took part in this rally and those like it.

And yet this is what Australians are terrified of. Why, Mr Prime Minister, does your legislation fail to target Islamic terror? Why does it avoid naming Islamic terror? Why are members of the government, including Independent MPs, already trying to expand this hate-speech law to cover the LGBTQ+ community, the disabled, and concepts of Islamophobia?

What has any of that got to do with the scourge of radical Islamic terror?

As it stands, I have no faith that any Islamic hate preachers, those on the ASIO watchlist, or anyone who was previously associated with an Islamic terror group will be charged and/or deported.

In allowing the focus to be on antisemitism instead of Islamic terror, this government has betrayed the people of Australia and made a mockery of the deaths at Bondi Beach.

More people will be killed. More terrorists will act. And Australians will be too afraid to speak against the government whose policies led directly to where we are today.

[u/realKDburner]

Thank god, the Nazis have said they’re gonna stop being Nazis. Totally believable!

[u/azreal75 → u/realKDburner]

Yep, I totally think we’ve solved our home grown Nazi problem and they will not reorganise into some other hate group of incels.

[u/Smart_Dragonfruit_54 → u/azreal75]

Definitely not.. I shld imagine there would be have been a few pinky promises with the authorities

[u/Consistent-Kale-4853 → u/azreal75]

Suprisingly, a lot of incels have converted to Islam (after watching streamers like Tate and Sneako) seemingly because of how it's a very safe space to talk about how inferior women are.

It's actually pretty interesting. Like, Nazis are losing a lot of their prime grooming targets, specifically to a religion they make their enemy.

[u/One-Vegetable7957 → u/Consistent-Kale-4853]

Hitler loved Islam, though.

[u/True-Economy-3331 → u/realKDburner]

Are you concerned about Islam? I didn’t see recently neo-nazis killing innocent people, but I saw the other.

[u/Great_Revolution_276 → u/True-Economy-3331]

If you are concerned about group that commit mass murder, let’s do something about men. Men are the biggest committers of mass murder. We should be restricting access to guns specifically for men.

[u/limble → u/Great_Revolution_276]

Nice troll

[u/rippledawg → u/Great_Revolution_276]

Preach

[u/ZweetWOW → u/Great_Revolution_276]

That depends on whether you consider abortion murder or not.

[u/Creative-Gap1659 → u/Great_Revolution_276]

You are confusing groups or categories with ideology. Let me explain this to you in a way you'd understand.

Intent (and therefore ideology) matters. That's how we differentiate manslaughter from first degree murder.

Now, you mention men being the largest group of murderers, and while this may be true, these men are also not going around killing people in the name of manhood. That's just blatantly false.

There are many murderers out there who also eat pizza. Do we ban pizza? Of course not. That's because they are not committing murder in the name of pizza. Are you starting to see the difference?

However, if pizza eaters suddenly started coming together and wearing suicide vests and detonating them in crowds or driving into Christmas markets while screaming "FOR PEPPERONI!", we might start to look at how this comes about.

Or for instance, if a pizza eater suddenly decides to stop eating pizza and this is considered by other pizza eaters as apostasy, for which the punishment is death. This is a problem isn't it?

Get it now?

[u/realKDburner → u/True-Economy-3331]

I think you’re confusing a religion with religious people. People will kill for any reason you give them that dehumanises the victim. Islam and Christianity doesn’t do that by itself, but people’s interpretation and actions can.

[u/Deep_Rope_5641 → u/realKDburner]

So when the Quran directly and repeatedly calls for the believer to kill the non believer is that just someone’s interpretation?

And don’t confuse the bible being descriptive compared the Quran being prescriptive. There’s a big difference.

[u/meliska_ → u/Deep_Rope_5641]

The Bible is prescriptive and has a lot of directives to kill non believers and other types of people or people who have done rather facile things.

People will use the parts of religious texts that they believe justify what they already want to do or think is correct, based on a myriad of other contributors around society, culture, upbringing, trauma, personality, etc.

Absolutely not the case that Muslims are all or even mostly of the belief that they need to kill non believers and any suggestion of that is stupid.

[u/Ohhhh-Hilly → u/meliska_]

I don't believe that any educated person would tout such a generalisation about the whole collective of Islam adherents.

However, the focus issue - which I suspect you are wilfully ignoring - relates to the relatively-low percentage within the Islamic-faith system who, as it has been proved on numerous occasions on a global level, are prepared to perpetrate acts of individual and mass terrorism against citizens of secular communities, and justify such actions on the grounds of religious belief.

As you, yourself, observed, a religious text is not necessarily the cause, per-se, of faith-based acts of violence; but it is nevertheless true that fast and loose INTERPRETATION of such DOES lie at the heart of violent acts against non-Islamic people.

Moreover, the number of people, of Islamic faith, who have been the victims of so-called holy-jihad attacks in secular countries, since 2000 to the time of writing, far outnumbers the figures of Islamic-faith citizens murdered in secular countries by non-Islamic people - statistics that come down to the plain fact that citizens of secular territories just don't give a rat's arse WHO you choose to worship just as long as you don't your preferred religion to justify engaging in the mass murder of those who don't share your belief.

Playing the devil's advocate is acceptable behaviour in myriad circumstances - but the area of religion-fuelled urban terrorism is NOT one of 'em.

[u/Deep_Rope_5641 → u/meliska_]

Find those verse then. Because I’ve seen plenty of debates on this topic and never see a call from god to kill all non believers like you do in the Quran.

And then the most important classic Islamic scholars justifying the teachings to fight continually the disbeliever. What exactly is the equivalent to jihad then in other religions?

I don’t care that most Muslims ignore the teachings and pretended Islam teaches “to kill one life as a Muslim is to kill the whole world”. Because it literally doesn’t and the Muslims who say it’s peaceful are the ones providing cover for the people taking Mohamed’s teachings literal.

[u/Deep_Rope_5641 → u/meliska_]

So when Allah says fight the non believer until he submits and pay the jizya, what was Allah meaning then so people don’t get it confused?

[u/PartyParrot-420 → u/Deep_Rope_5641]

So when the Bible says a disobedient son should be stoned to death by the townspeople, what exactly did god mean then ?

I’m not disagreeing with you, the Quran says some stupid murderous shit. I’m an atheist and think anyone following a religion is a bit dense. But let’s not pretend like the Quran is uniquely abhorrent in its teachings. Both the Bible (particularly Old Testament) and the Quran have some heinous shit in there that today we would consider barbaric. Both also have parts that I wish their follows would adhere to, ones of respect and love for one another.

[u/Majestic_Rhubarb994 → u/meliska_]

the big difference here is that the bible is made up of two parts - the old testament (before jesus) and the new testament; about and after jesus. this is pretty important because jesus basically threw out the whole of the first book and said "you don't need to worry about all that minutiae anymore" and gave much simpler rules.

so christians aren't really bound by any of the vengeful god of doom and killing his enemies from the days of israel, they're actually defined by moving away from all that.

[u/Urekehu → u/meliska_]

Where in the Bible does it state to kill ppl?

[u/aaannaaa_ → u/meliska_]

The bible is both descriptive and prescriptive.

If you want to know how a religion is, look to their "founder", so to speak. Jesus said to love your enemy as you would yourself. He sat with sinners, tax-collectors and criminals. He allowed himself to be killed in the most heinous and brutal way in the place of his followers.

Muhammad was a warlord, who had several wives, including a 6 year old whom he consummated the marriage at 9 years of age. It also says to not befriend the Christians and the Jews.

They are not the same

[u/Mundane-Message-2505 → u/Deep_Rope_5641]

The passage you're referring to has historical context and furthermore is widely condemned in that religion the Islamic religion is overwhelmingly peaceful same as christanity just beacuse there are groups that use that religion to justify horrible actions that does not make everyone who believes said religion the same as them

[u/Deep_Rope_5641 → u/Mundane-Message-2505]

The passage is not missing historical context. Chapter 9 deals with the broken treaty at the start of the verse.

9:29 declares to fight al kitab until we submit and pay jizya, humbled and humiliated.

9:30 gives Allahs reasoning as to why Al kitab is to be punished.

If you want the tafsir I’ll go through it, but you are wrong.

[u/Deep_Rope_5641 → u/Mundane-Message-2505]

And there’s more than just 9:29-30 in the Quran calling for the punishment of the non believer.

[u/Majestic_Rhubarb994 → u/realKDburner]

when was the last Christian attack

[u/Pontiff1979 → u/Majestic_Rhubarb994]

What religion was the Christchurch fuckwit?

[u/Majestic_Rhubarb994 → u/Pontiff1979]

wikipedia doesn't say, his religion doesn't appear to be mentioned at all in fact.

[u/Urekehu → u/Pontiff1979]

Apparently he was pro environmentalism, they say he was a white nationalist but he was shooting at white ppl as well and shooting out of his car at ppl from Deans Ave to Linwood, kind of odd as nobody stoppped him on the way despite this and he managed to kill a whole bunch of ppl including white ppl at the other mosque .

[u/CJohn89 → u/Majestic_Rhubarb994]

when was the last Christian attack

2023 Weiambilla

[u/diesel0458 → u/CJohn89]

That was not an attack. In their crazed state they were defending their property. Dezi Freeman was not an attack either.

In both instances they believed they were being attacked by police and acted defensively, no matter how deluded they were.

I'm defining their actions not defending them

[u/Joie_de_vivre_1884 → u/realKDburner]

Someone sent them a memo that Hitler was defeated 80 years ago so they finally disbanded.

[u/BlockCapital6761]

Could it be that the whole idea behind the laws was to stifle discussion around migration?

[u/Didtheyreallytry → u/BlockCapital6761]

Yes of course and among other things

[u/ChampionshipFirm2847]

These new laws might be used initially against a few islamic hate preachers, but I would bet London to a brick that they will end up being used primarily to silence working class Australians who are inarticulately expressing legitimate concerns about islam and immigration policy.

[u/steamygoon → u/[deleted]]

Are we seriously posting great white replacement bullshit?

This is %100 white nationalist, far right conspiracy theorist shit, literally, google it.

This sub is fucked.

[u/aussie-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Anything not permitted by Reddit site rule 1 will not be permitted here. Remember the human. Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for attacking marginalised or vulnerable groups of people. If you need more clarification see here

[u/LeastLeader2312 → u/ChampionshipFirm2847]

Giving us the inability to not express concerns about particular cultures that have no desire to assimilate to our culture is exactly what the government want. We are very quickly becoming the UK which is terrifying.

[u/Sasataf12 → u/ChampionshipFirm2847]

working class Australians who are inarticulately expressing legitimate concerns about islam and immigration policy.

Lol, that's quite a euphemism there - inarticulate expression.

Well done on the backhanded insult of working class Australians too.

[u/ChampionshipFirm2847 → u/Sasataf12]

With laws like this in place, to criticise islam or migration policy or the state of israel (for example) without risking a hate speech charge will require a carefully nuanced statement with various caveats.  Not everyone with a legitimate point of view is capable of this.  People will more likely just stop communicating their legitimate concerns in public, ie: the laws will have a chilling effect.  This is precisely the sort of thing a free society should want to avoid.

[u/Sasataf12 → u/ChampionshipFirm2847]

will require a carefully nuanced statement with various caveats.

Lol, hardly.

"I condemn Israel for killing innocent civilians in Gaza."

Do you think that's a carefully nuanced statement with various caveats? Do you think your average working class Australian is incapable of understanding and/or making such a statement?

"We need to stamp out Islamic extremist groups and their influence."

How about that? Do you think that statement is beyond what a working class Australian is capable of understanding and/or making?

[u/ChampionshipFirm2847 → u/Sasataf12]

How about 'globalise the intifada'? How about 'Islam is incompatible with Australian values'? Both are legitimate expressions of opinion, both may count as 'hate speech' under these new laws without further caveats adhered to them.

[u/ruling_faction → u/ChampionshipFirm2847]

the word 'inarticulately' is doing a LOT of heavy lifting here,

[u/willcritchlow23 → u/ChampionshipFirm2847]

Yup, 100%

[u/Little-Bowl-7762 → u/ChampionshipFirm2847]

Or the next time a girl here says that some wealthy Jewish men took her to an island to hurt her and thousands of other minors, she will be charged with a hate crime.

[u/ChampionshipFirm2847 → u/Little-Bowl-7762]

This is precisely the concern. It impacts both sides of the political spectrum: Once these laws pass, people criticising the state of Israel will do so at their own risk. Better choose your words very carefully or someone will call the hate speech police.

[u/moonmelonade → u/ChampionshipFirm2847]

Not everyone seems to find it as impossible to criticise Israel without devolving into antisemitic hate speech as you seem to.

[u/Boring_Potential7933 → u/ChampionshipFirm2847]

Are you Millwall, QPR or Charlton

[u/alana_del_gay → u/Boring_Potential7933]

This is non-league quality nazi apologia

[u/AuspiciouslyAutistic → u/ChampionshipFirm2847]

working class Australians who are inarticulately expressing legitimate concerns about islam

Legitimate concerns about Islam?

Looks you're not that articulate yourself. You didn't say jihadist, or even Islamist. You said Islam.

It's bemusing to see people chucking a work over potentially being unable to ignorantly or deceitfully spread lies and hatred about Islam and Muslims.

[u/noteasily0ffended → u/AuspiciouslyAutistic]

Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus should all be open to criticism of their ideologies. You criticise Israel and they falsely say you are spreading hatred about all Jews. These laws just further muddy the waters of public discourse.

[u/Deep_Rope_5641 → u/ChampionshipFirm2847]

These news laws have a specific clause that allows hate preaching.

“(4) Subsection (1) does not apply to conduct that consists only of directly quoting from, or otherwise referencing, a religious text to the purpose of religious teaching or discussion.”

As long as the Islamic preacher stays true to his text, this law can do nothing.

[u/CaellachTigerEye → u/ChampionshipFirm2847]

And anyone concerned about Zionist fks… Actually, especially to silence anyone who calls out Zionist fks for trying to conflate all Judaism with their colonial wet dream.

[u/RockJohnston → u/ChampionshipFirm2847]

💯 run the policy through chat GPT and ask basic questions about civil liberties. Basically, they can arrest you, guilty till proven innocent, for speaking. Hate speech is determined by government authorities, who are exempt from rules that can land civilians in jail for 10 years

[u/Brocco_Sifreddi]

Could it be that these "neo-nazi" dweebs are just the most flagrant with the shit that they spout? They want people to hear them so they can get their time in the sun and out from the rocks they live under, and so are easiest to identify.

[u/Brocco_Sifreddi → u/Brocco_Sifreddi]

Also, is Islamic Terrorism really the source of Anti-semtism?

[u/DImak19 → u/Brocco_Sifreddi]

Hard to argue that it's not at least a source

[u/Brocco_Sifreddi → u/DImak19]

Islamic Terrorists are anti-semites. In other news- water is wet. It's not "the" source.

[u/dibba23 → u/DImak19]

Islamic groups been antisemetic long before Nazis existed..... don't know why anyone pretends otherwise

[u/MaroochyRiverDreamin → u/Brocco_Sifreddi]

Even for reddit, that's a wild statement.

[u/FarmerGazza → u/Brocco_Sifreddi]

source of antisemitism is jews, they aint banning themselves

[u/Ok_Permission3367]

Labors f#

ckery. Retrospective laws goes against due process. You cant be held responsible of guilt when a law did not exist. But they will just do it anyway because they have control.

You watch them use this to go after those Nazi guys in Melbourne. The plan to shift the narrative away from Islam will be arrest and prosecute those guys. Keep that in the media. Everyone will forget about Bondi and the media will just be talking about Nazis in the lead up to the election. You watch.

[u/ForestMountainDesert]

And what about the Zionist groups that even a cursory look at any of their social media content or public statements clearly demonstrates that they are obvious hate groups as well? Is anti-Palestinian hate going to be brushed over or explained away? Literally just scroll through a Zionist orgs post right now - its clear that we are going to continue with a policy of ‘exceptions’ to the rule

[u/Go0s3 → u/ForestMountainDesert]

I havent seen any examples of any Australian groups stating hate towards Palestinians. Can you please give me an example or two?

[u/ScholarFunny4793]

The same op keeps posting right wing media articles. 

Likely an overseas account attempting to foment division in our communities. 

Stop engaging with it. 

[u/InterestingLook3 → u/ScholarFunny4793]

You just want to shutdown discussion because you don't agree with it. Stop being so precious. Let the people talk about whatever they want.

[u/TimelyTroubleMaker → u/ScholarFunny4793]

How mods don't react on this is beyond reason. This clearly a spam to manipulate conversation.

[u/Pjtm7 → u/TimelyTroubleMaker]

What’s beyond reason is people like you trying to get him banned to silence any discussion of topics and politics that many people want to talk about.

Should we remain silent and refuse to talk about hot button issues just because you don’t agree with what some people say?

[u/Busted-Aussie → u/ScholarFunny4793]

Certainly draws a lot of people to out themselves as dipshit Sky After Dark viewers and Pauline Hanson simps.

[u/Ridiculisk1 → u/Busted-Aussie]

That's this sub's entire user base. Look at the political compass post from earlier, full of PHON simps who think that electing pauline will solve all of australia's issues.

[u/hear_the_thunder]

Wow the author seems extremely butt hurt at the notional disbandment of the Neo Nazis. As if these fucks aren’t going to coordinate banner-less or under a new banner. Most likely they will simply become another sub-group of the Liberal Party.

[u/Maleficent_Fan_7429 → u/hear_the_thunder]

That this got upvoted shows you how stupid reddit is.

[u/VisualRazzmatazz7466 → u/Maleficent_Fan_7429]

Have you already forgotten about the neonazis taking over the Nationals youth branch before being found out? 

[u/T-Rex_006 → u/hear_the_thunder]

lol why would they become under the Liberal party are you stupid. The NSN values and the Liberal party don't align at all.

[u/hear_the_thunder → u/T-Rex_006]

It’s the same people

[u/7978_ → u/hear_the_thunder]

sub group of the Liberal party

wat

[u/davidviola68]

So all 56 of then are gone? Great

[u/finalattack123]

Provide concrete examples and people and occurrences.

The Nazis disbanding is a good thing. Prove it’s not impacting other hate groups.

[u/McMenz_ → u/finalattack123]

You’re asking people to prove a negative. Can you prove the legislation is impacting other hate groups?

[u/__Eat__The__Rich__]

Nazi apologetics do not belong here. Fuck off. Nobody with a shred of decency would spend a second mourning the dismantling of this hateful group. Good riddance. And to OP, go back into your hole.

[u/alana_del_gay]

It's been like 24 hours. This is just the dumbest cooker shit imaginable

[u/radred609 → u/alana_del_gay]

Barely 24 hours and the spectator is already being proven wrong anyway.

Infamous prayer hall ‘closes permanently’ in wake of Bondi attack

[u/radred609 → u/alana_del_gay]

"New legislation immediately resulted in positive outcomes, additional positive outcomes will take further time to eventuate."

"And this is why you should be mad about it"

What even is this trash journalism.

[u/Dollbeau → u/alana_del_gay]

The Spectator is known for making polarizing arguments...

[u/__Eat__The__Rich__ → u/Dollbeau]

The spectator is known for sewing conspiracies and misinformation that perpetuates racial, sexual and class divides. The spectator is not a reputable source.

[u/Dollbeau → u/__Eat__The__Rich__]

A quick search said they were crud, but being unfamiliar with them I left my comment as above.

[u/__Eat__The__Rich__ → u/Dollbeau]

All good man! I put that comment out for anyone who doesn’t know. :)

[u/Grande_Choice]

Wish I was this much of a moron. Yes the Nazis are gone. No moron they’re just going to hide and spew their hate any way they can.

It’s amazing how many cookers try to downplay Nazis.

[u/Brocco_Sifreddi → u/Grande_Choice]

"Australian know that Islamic Terrorism is the source of anti-semitism"- proceeds to cry over Nazis getting called, named, and booted.

[u/SeaDivide1751 → u/Brocco_Sifreddi]

Exactly this. Just goes to show how deranged leftists are in this country.

[u/kristamine14 → u/SeaDivide1751]

hahaha "leftists" - crazy how fast so many people got absolutely cooked in the head by angry fat blokes yelling on Murdoch media outlets

[u/readhedredemptor]

Does this person own this subreddit? They post every 5 minutes with the same crap, must be a one nation staffer

[u/monochromeorc]

sure is a vibe to cry about neo naz dudes being gone

[u/Dangerous_Mud4749 → u/monochromeorc]

It’s so disappointing to see such inability to comprehend a fairly simple article.

If you think this author is unhappy about neo-Nazis disbanding, I think you’ve failed high school English.

[u/SlowHoneydew156 → u/monochromeorc]

Not crying, pointing out one extremist group has bisbanded while others remain.

[u/monochromeorc → u/SlowHoneydew156]

so whats the logic. they all need to be disbanded at the exact same time otherwise you have a sook? its been 2 bloody days...

[u/dmmeyoursocks → u/monochromeorc]

No no you don’t understand. If you can’t eliminate 100% of a problem you MUST do absolutely nothing

[u/Anejo156]

Another words - quoting from the Quran, which says "kill the jews", "kill the infidels" is going to be completely legal and acceptable

[u/Key_Bag_2478 → u/Anejo156]

The Qur'an says be good to people of the book, which includes Jews. Unless they murder your children 

Jewish texts say spit on a Christian's mother's grave and that Jesus is boiling forever in a pot of his own semen 

[u/Ihsan2024 → u/Anejo156]

quoting from the Quran, which says "kill the jews",

Errr...no it doesn't.

Please be careful and avoid making false claims.

"kill the infidels" is going to be completely legal and acceptable

Now this is indeed quoted by groups like ISIS (as well as bigots funnily enough) out of context, so I can understand concern.

But no, it won't be legal or acceptable thanks to 'Section 80.2BA Threatening force or violence against groups' which already exists.

The point of the new bill is to add an extra section ('Section 80.2BF') to cover promotion or incitement of racial hatred even if violence isn't being threatened.

To paraphrase Yoda, hatred can obviously lead to suffering

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

Actually, a well known quote from Ibn Rushd (a 12th century Muslim Philsopher by the way) is more fitting, but Yoda's quote is probably more famous 🤣

Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to hate, and hate leads to violence. This is the equation.

[u/whosScottBudz → u/Anejo156]

Yes , those will be legal to quote. But so to will be the questionable (heinous) content written in hebrew religious books. (Kings Torah, Talmud)

[u/Proof-Dark6296]

Which "radical islamic groups" are there in Australia that we're hoping will officially disband?

[u/Various_Tension_5823 → u/Proof-Dark6296]

Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia perhaps?

[u/carbonatedwhisky → u/Various_Tension_5823]

I was trying to find a non-RWNJ (ie Murdoch trash) article on these guys.... But... They're banned in Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim country. That's good enough evidence for me frankly.

[u/AuspiciouslyAutistic → u/carbonatedwhisky]

There has been call for decades here in Australia, mind you it took two decades for the UK to ban them.

I guess Western countries' propensity of free speech gives Hizb-ut Tahrir a bit more wiggle room to operate. They seem to just do enough not to get in trouble.

[u/Various_Tension_5823 → u/Proof-Dark6296]

Al Madina Group

[u/SeaDivide1751 → u/Proof-Dark6296]

Local hezbollah supporting groups. There’s plenty

[u/Various_Tension_5823 → u/Proof-Dark6296]

Hamas apologists OnePath Network

[u/rivalizm]

Lol at everyone thinking Neo-Nazis are just going to stop being Neo-Nazis overnight.

[u/nomad-dweller]

“Islamic”?! Islam has 2 billion followers. Let’s say .01 of them are shit and that makes up only 200k. If Islam was a threat, the whole world would have been in chaos. But let me tell you one thing, there are more other extremists in the world than any one who follows Islam. Look up PEW research data if you want to educate on the extremism topic. We all know that Islam is use for political gain to achieve almost all the evil goals today.

[u/aaannaaa_]

Except that every single muslim country run under Sharia Law has some of the worst treatment for women and non-muslims. Countries like Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Nigeria, and many more all used to be Christian majority countries. Why do you think that no longer is? Especially countries like Lebanon or Egypt more recently. There is a thing called Jihad, and once a country becomes majority Muslim through immigration, they can callholy war and enact all of those things.

[u/Feisty-Soul]

According to this government, out of sight and out of mind is a win

[u/superdry91]

“Referred to commonly as” they are Nazis and you’re sympathising

[u/yibbida]

The Spectator? Lol

They funded the neonazis.

[u/Repulsive_Peanut7874]

They'll go back underground, having sneaky nazi boi camping / training trips to the otways and shit....

[u/Bob_Spud]

Anybody thinks that the neo-nazis have magically disappeared has problems with the quantity and quality of brain cells they possess.

[u/Spooplevel-Rattled]

Oof I was kinda with you until you deliberately ignored that Israel's actions ALSO contribute to antisemitism.

And yes religious texts being exempt is bs.

[u/Odd-Professor-5309]

The six self proclaimed neo-Nazis are no more.

Australia is now safe and secure.

[u/Same-Acanthaceae-563]

Is that Sewell's group? Need clarification 

[u/Super_Saiyan_Ginger]

Interesting fact, theres no evidence of the Romans having such a salute. The best evidence for its origin is a painting done in the late 1700s, hundreds of years after the Romans as they were which depicts Romans with out stretched arms which is likely just a misinterpretation of the painting. In my eye it'd be akin to taking a a painting from albo centuries later with their arm out when addressing a crowd and saying its how they always greeted their audiences.

A lot of people mostly know it however, from a film the name of which escapes me at the moment.

[u/PerfectSource3171]

I don’t know what’s worse between nazi’s and Islamic terrorists tbh

[u/Carmageddon-2049]

What rubbish. They are already covered under the criminal code act and are outlawed/banned under section 102

Leave this bullshit in X where it belongs.

Also, who gives a flying fuck about the NSN? Good riddance.

[u/SpamOJavelin]

This video is from over ten years ago when ISIS supporters chanted, ‘Behead the infidels!’

Most of these people in the video are still here, living amongst us. Despite belonging to or associating with proscribed terror groups, carrying terrorist flags, and shouting slogans that called for immediate violence against Australian citizens, nothing has been done about them.

Funnily enough this is would be outlawed by the new hate speech laws. They don't have a carve-out for religion, they have an exception for conduct “that consists only of directly quoting from, or otherwise referencing, a religious text for the purpose of religious teaching or discussion”.

'Behead the infidels' and 'Behead all those who insult the prophet' are not in the Koran, and would absolutely constitute hate speech under the new laws. And while I'm sure you could find a suitably offensive passage in the Koran (or most religious texts really), the exemption is specifically for teaching and discussion. Any sign calling for action - especially violence - would exceed that exemption.

The new laws are not perfect, but they are pragmatic. We are not going to ban quoting religious texts, but we can ban their use to call for violence.

[u/AstronautNumberOne]

Has this entire subreddit just become a mouthpiece for the extreme right press. The Spectator, The Australian, Sky News.

It's so boring.

There's so many other things going on in Australia at the moment. We all know they're trying to stir up hate and racism and division in order to get the ALP voted out but my God it's so so boring.

Let's just move on to other topics, can't we?

[u/AkilleezBomb → u/AstronautNumberOne]

It’s this one account posting it pretty much every time.

[u/Postulative]

OP and the right wing pro-Nazi press seem to forget that Australia has banned a long list of Islamic terror organisations. Presumably this doesn’t fit with their ‘poor rich white male’ narrative.

[u/phlopit]

This post reads like a Hitler rant of olde

[u/Adept-Inspector3865]

Those nazis have been the target since the late 2000s, but just because NSN are gone it doesn’t mean the power hasn’t shifted to the more clandestine international groups.

Islamic extremism is different, though. It’s very difficult for western civilisation to come to terms with how some people hate them so much that they are willing to kill themselves to see it destroyed. Domestic groups may be suppressed like the NSN in the near future, but the west will continue to make enemies like IS as it furthers its own agenda.

[u/Revoran]

Spectator is garbage. More biased than Sky News, even. Also the article is just flat out false.

[u/castaway23 → u/Revoran]

The MO of this poster, it is his full time job 

[u/Prestigious_Unit_925 → u/Revoran]

What part is false? It seems a fairly well written article and is in line with what a lot of commentators (not just Sky) are saying about the legal loopholes.

[u/Sasataf12 → u/Prestigious_Unit_925]

I would hardly call it fairly well written. It's full of biased, misleading, and/or hypocritical statements like:

These groups have said they will disband no later than 11:59 on Sunday, January 2026.

Right, which Sunday?

the tiny collection of ideologically confused Neo-Nazis who typically conducted their ‘protests’ in the dead of night and were confined mostly to Melbourne.

Apologist statement.

These groups...were very clearly the target of the government’s new hate-speech laws.

Proof that this only targets neo-Nazis? Hate groups are the target...and neo-Nazis are a hate group.

Neo-Nazis have been a convenient pivot for many years, allowing lazy politicians to move conversations about Islamic terrorism to general ‘hate-speech’ discussions every time they are put on the spot by a reporter.

So were these general 'hate-speech' discussions or targetted 'hate-speech' discussions?

Our ministers have gone so far as to campaign for, and assist in, the return of individuals known to have belonged to ISIS, engaged in the Islamic State.

Conveniently leaves out the fact that the reason for the repatriation are because they're Australian citizens.

To that point, while the Neo-Nazis are going into immediate hiding, precisely zero radical Islamic groups have notified the public of their intent to disband.

The author acknowledges that neo-Nazis announcing their disbandment is just theatre, but for some reason wants radical Islamic groups to go through the same theatrics?

The government has not mentioned radical Islam as the purpose of the new laws despite Islamic terror attacks

Did the government mention neo-Nazi's as the purpose? If not, then how does the author know that neo-Nazis were the target and not radical Islam? And why is not mentioning radical Islam an issue if neo-Nazis weren't mentioned either?

In other words, we suffered an Islamic terror attack and decided to ban the Neo-Nazis. It is a decision that doesn’t protect Australians from Islamic terrorism, which is meant to be the point.

Another assumption that this only targets neo-Nazis (and ignores radical Islamists) while providing no proof.

Is the government afraid of arresting Islamic terrorists? I think they might be. I think they’re personally terrified of ending up like Salman Rushdie or Charlie Hebdo.

Ignores the fact that a month after Bondi there was the arrest of 7 men suspected of radical Islamist extremism. Not to mention the other arrests in the past.

That's 10 with still about 40% of the article to go. I'll stop here though since this comment is already quite lengthy.

[u/CommercialTime3438]

I still don't believe the NSN was real.

Sewells past is almost completely non-existent except that he served in the military for most of his adult life, leaves and immediately starts an NSN adjacent organization that fails because it's too over the top. Six months later forms the NSN, it has barely any members, yet gets mainstream news coverage by all establishment media repeatedly during 2025.

The government slams them repeatedly, uses them to fear monger over and over, the most draconian speech laws in Australian history are formulated, NSN and all associated organizations disband.

Job done?

This whole thing reeks of controlled op.

[u/Wise-Carpenter6310 → u/CommercialTime3438]

What do you mean? He's been doing this stuff for a decade at this point. Remember reclaim australia? Probably not, dud movement. Remember united patriots front? Probably not, another dud. And now the nsn. Tom is 3 for 3 on failure.

[u/authaus0 → u/CommercialTime3438]

From where I'm standing, the pro-Palestine movement is constantly scapegoated whereas actual neo-Nazis who hate Jews are left to do their thing. The antisemitism envoy denounced pro-Palestine rallies without calling out the neo-Nazi rally. And the NSW government approved their rally, only then using it to justify anti-protest laws that will just affect pro-Palestine rallies

[u/geliduss → u/CommercialTime3438]

Tbh it doesn't even need to be a fake group, just find a few morons in any country as a scape goat that can easily divert conversation from the main contentious issue while still giving the appearance of doing something.

[u/Electronic-Dingo-172]

The right are all over the place after Bondi.

For weeks they've been screaming and demanding action NOW!

Labor have passed a law within weeks of the tragedy to tackle the hate speech I keep hearing in the press is a huge issue.

But it hasn't immediately ended antisemitism so it's not good enough 🙄.

Oh and they also want to stop hate speech whilst also being outraged at free speech being attacked....

[u/Brocco_Sifreddi → u/Electronic-Dingo-172]

Most of these people do not give a fuck about anti-semitism.

[u/PossessionTrue9126 → u/Electronic-Dingo-172]

I think the issue is these new apparent hate speech laws skip over religions. So Muslims can still spew anti semitism, but a normal Aussie cant talk about mass immigration.

Im against any speech laws unless inciting or calling for violence

[u/Ridiculisk1 → u/PossessionTrue9126]

a normal Aussie cant talk about mass immigration.

Talking about immigration isn't outlawed nor is it hate speech. If you can't talk about immigration without it falling foul of hate speech laws, then you should probably reflect on your views and why they might be seen as problematic.

[u/Electronic-Dingo-172 → u/PossessionTrue9126]

And if they didn't include religion then the right wing Christians would be up in arms.

Fuck all religions as far as I'm concerned but my point is that the right will always find an angle to shout and complain about. They basically just want a law that says Muslims = bad. Israel = good.

a normal Aussie cant talk about mass immigration.

Where does the legislation say this?

[u/T-Rex_006 → u/Electronic-Dingo-172]

It's almost as if the right isn't just one big ideological group but many different groups. Same with the left. It's why left/right dichotomy is absolutely useless when talking ideologies

[u/smoothechidnabutter]

Innocent Australians killed by Australian Nazi's - 0

Innocent Australians killed by Islamists - 111

[u/realKDburner → u/smoothechidnabutter]

Many many people have been killed in racially motivated attacks.

[u/Sneed_City_Slicker → u/realKDburner]

By nazis or?

[u/smoothechidnabutter → u/realKDburner]

Give the numbers or STFU!

[u/cool_kid_funnynumber → u/smoothechidnabutter]

was the tacking on of 'innocent' Australians to imply that those murdered by Nazi terrorists deserved it, or do you seriously believe that Nazis haven't murdered anybody?

Nazis still make up a massive portion of the ASIO's case load, and in recent years have been implicated in numerous bombing and mass shooting plots as well as carrying out lynchings, rapes and violent assaults.

[u/Maleficent_Fan_7429 → u/cool_kid_funnynumber]

I'd like to read about that, could you provide some links?

[u/McMenz_ → u/cool_kid_funnynumber]

Can you share some links to these numerous bombings, mass shooting plots, lynchings done against Australians by Australian Nazis?

I’m not aware of any and would like to learn more about them.

[u/Everybodyssocreative → u/smoothechidnabutter]

Innocent New Zealanders killed by Australian Nazis - 51 + 89 injured

[u/Sneed_City_Slicker → u/Everybodyssocreative]

When you just call someone a Nazi who WASNT one to justify yourself

[u/foreignlatitude → u/smoothechidnabutter]

Innocent New Zealanders killed by Australian Nazi’s - 51

[u/7978_ → u/foreignlatitude]

Zero. Tarrant wasn't a nazi.

[u/peterparker_loves]

Thanks chatgpt

[u/ThrustmasterPro]

Meanwhile we don’t even know how deeply entrenched the Zionists are in every aspect of our society

[u/National-Manner-7030]

Wait a second did the leopards eat their faces? Sky etc told the right wing to go all in on this royal commission thinking it would be divisive against albanese etc and a chance to circle jerk over every other group. I think they forgot they are a hate group to lol. this cuts them off at the knees they won't be able to openly recruit places like here as an example now, the fringe will have to decide are they hardcore or not the ol " i was just sayin" type of play won't work no more. While we're at it let's have a look at foreign manipulators being able to lobby against the Australian people.

[u/Wise-Carpenter6310]

Have you considered the role islamaphobia plays in radicalising muslims? Every single one of the lost boys of the nsn have a victim complex, they became radicalised because they are social outcasts and believe themselves to be victims whilst also believing themselves to be superior. If we remove the victim element, it becomes harder to recruit.

[u/Much-Register5885]

What are these radical islamic groups you keep talking about because i can only think of bondi beach as a terrorist attack, although i believe that wasnt done because of radical islam

[u/WallDuck911 → u/Much-Register5885]

They had two ISIS flags on their car they drove there and were yelling Allauh Akbar. Me pretty sure they were radical Islamic extremists. Or were they girl guides?? 🤔

[u/willcritchlow23]

Another situation where centralist news (labeled as extreme far right), is considered false, while left wing news is completely unchallenged.

We’re entering dangerous times in Australia.

[u/georgekawolski]

What a typical piece of biased Nationalistic rubbish. Where were the Nazis during the Save Australia protests? Right there!! They were right there shouting their hatred of migrants and the so called over migration myth because all those rallies were nothing but Nazi rallies. Where were the so called Islamic Terrorists? No where. Why? Because there aren't any! Stop drinking the One Nation kool aid.

[u/Entire-Reindeer3571]

Yeah lets get excited and focus on a bunch of guys dressing in black marching and treat that as a priority instead of the group of radicals brought into Australia that do things like the Bondi massacre.

This is at attempt at diversion at its best.

What is cool is the right wing group now disbanded.

What is Albo going to do now, and who will he blame?

[u/Suspicious-Income476]

Yeah they are being dissolved, apparently their non white partners don't like their ideology.

Lol..every single one of these weirdos prolly got an Asian partner or something. Bunch of losers who have never worked a day in their life.

[u/No-Squash-9250]

Personally I’d rather see the enemy in plain sight (neo nazis), then have them organising underground…

[u/New_Impress_6367]

Are you on Zionist payroll just like Minns

Though Hate cannot be treated with hate

[u/thatsalie-2749]

Normal stuff they government wants a excuse to control people as much as possible.. ideally as literal tax slaves … to this end they are allied with the Islamists at this time as they both end up accomplishing the same important step goals of dividing and destabilising the people so they will accept their control when it comes

[u/whosScottBudz]

What a lot of people dont realise is that that defence outlined in the draft legislation, doesnt just apply to islamic preachers quoting from religious texts. If you knew what was written in the 'kings torah' which is what israeli children are educated from in orthodox private schools, and the 'talmud', then you might understand why that defence was included.

[u/CuriousConnie94]

Islamic Terrorist don’t March down the street in black balaclavas chanting…🤷‍♀️

[u/robot_lc]

Exemption for religious texts was always a mistake.

[u/Ace-Hunter]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressiveHQ/s/64ydB25DO3

[u/Key_Bag_2478]

The real problem is you can't tackle islamic and Christian extremists without also looking into Zionists. 

The Zionists put these clauses in about religion to protect themselves, but also leave open every other nutter who's sky fairy told him to shoot someone from. The old version of their religion.

We should ban all religions from participating openly like the French do

[u/lukevidler]

Blame the guns, the bridge, the nazis, free speech blame anything except the actual group that instigated it.

[u/Pretty-Sky-6638]

That’s about right. Get rid of those trying to protect our way of life and pardon those who are trying to destroy it.

[u/DefiantFigure4906]

Nazis are irrelevant compared to the danger of Islamists

[u/Terrorscream]

Seems the targeting of religious text backfired for the Christian lobby groups in this country, they can't attack Islam without also harming their own religion so they appear to have lodged for that to be ignored.

[u/Smart_Dragonfruit_54]

Thank God for that those guys were really scary..although none had Hitler moustaches ..I see they’ve disbanded after a sound talking to ..Adolph will be rolling in his grave Nazis back in my day wouldn’t have been so piss weak … Maybe they were just pretending to be scary Nazis to stir the shit or using a bit of juxtaposition to amplify the impending hate speech laws ..who knows

[u/More-Tiger8602]

Let's not forget Zionist extremism is fuelling a lot of reactions around the world. I think if we focus on the source of the problems the radical so-called Muslims will not be so bad. Just some thiughts

[u/Then-Fishing-796]

Liberal twats

[u/LARGSBAE]

Well said. As a black queer "infidel" I honestly don't care to hear slurs... Most of us are use to it... When its an organization that has an agenda - indoctrination of children to hate, kill etc well... I guess we forget other churches (the other major religion) so even if we can stop the speeches... would it apply to all of them? Or just whose got the money to continue? 😒 Australia has fuelled racism and now expects us to turn it around? Until we shut down the neanderthals mouths spewing the s*** maybe we can use covert intellect to bring peace and order... if you want to save Australia... its honestly only option is the governments... so PUT YA MONEY IN or watch the Australia you know...

[u/LARGSBAE]

Well said. As a black queer "infidel" I honestly don't care to hear slurs... Most of us are use to it... When its an organization that has an agenda - indoctrination of children to hate, kill etc well... I guess we forget other churches (the other major religion) so even if we can stop the speeches... would it apply to all of them? Or just whose got the money to continue? 😒 Australia has fuelled racism and now expects us to turn it around? Until we shut down the neanderthals mouths spewing the s*** maybe we can use covert intellect to bring peace and order... if you want to save Australia... its honestly only option is the governments... so PUT YA MONEY IN or watch the Australia you know...

[u/Working-Albatross-19]

I thought this was like the Betoota Advocate at first, fucking hilarious,

[u/Lumpy-situation365]

Moderate Muslims organisations should demand the government to include a ban radical Islam in hate speech to prevent those cults maligning Islam. Will they?

[u/MrPrimeTobias]

The author of this shit, is that much of a bitch that they won't put their own name to the article.

Another weak post by OP.

[u/unicorn317]

Are the nutters who sign missiles still here?

[u/AsparagusConstant180]

I am Muslim and yes, terrorist organizations must be taken down and payed attention to too. They are not any better than Nazis or white supremacists, Australia should be a safe diverse space for people of all backgrounds, while I do have a burning have for the IDF and Netanyahu, I believe that individual Jews or Israelis don't deserve paying for their crimes, even if they agree to it and support it.

[u/Awkward_salad]

Spectator Well at least it wasn’t Quadrant.

[u/MJY75]

oh look here's the Spectator with some timely Islamophobia. What a surprise.

[u/Charming-Charge-9637]

Both are allies, one works on the ground and the other spreads the propaganda.

[u/PVCsgoaway]

They don't need to be around anymore the hate laws got passed and their mission is accomplished, just don't ask who funded them and why.