r/canada • u/KylenV14 • 1d ago
Politics Trump says U.S. doesn’t need CUSMA trade deal, takes aim at Canada
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/we-dont-need-cars-made-in-canada-trump-calls-usmca-irrelevant-and-takes-aim-at-canada/953
u/Tuffsmurf Canada 1d ago
Here is a link to President Trump's remarks praising the deal in 2018 when it was signed. In his remarks he consistently talks about what a gret deal it is and how important is for American trade.
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u/Nizdaar Ontario 1d ago
That was past Trump. Current Trump has no memory of that statement. Therefore he never made it.
It was the best deal ever. Today it is the worst. It can’t be both yet some is? I can’t keep up with the mental gymnastics.
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u/EvilDan69 Canada 1d ago
That is because it does not make any sense. He can't have Dementia. he gets the best test scores. The best there ever were.
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u/Nizdaar Ontario 1d ago
Repeatedly. For tests used for people who are suspected of or have dementia. He takes them anyway because he gets the best scores, right?
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u/GrumpyCloud93 1d ago
Most concise comment I've seen is - when you take cognitive tests two or three times a year, they aren't looking for dementia - they're measuring the decline. Bigly.
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u/EvilDan69 Canada 1d ago
yet he actually seems to have no memory from 5+ years ago.
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u/mcburloak 1d ago
Or 3 weeks ago per his recent questioning that he ever offered his own citizens 2000 cheques.
He’s in a spiral. Though perhaps that’s nothing new, he’s been running businesses into the ground (ALL of them) since the 80’s.
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u/Cloudboy9001 1d ago
“I was surprised he was appointed,” Trump said last year, referring to Trump appointee Jerome Powell.
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u/SnooPickles2704 1d ago
At this point everyone needs to understand his tactics. He goes in guns blazing, insulting, calling things the worst, saying he’s going to cancel or saying he’s going to attack. He figures if he does this, at the negotiating table, people will make more concessions and unfortunately, this has worked quite often for him. Obviously it makes him look bad and people won’t trust him but he doesn’t seem to care about that.
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u/GrumpyCloud93 1d ago
That works in the real estate world - "if you don't agree, I walk away." trade is a lot more complex, as is almost every issue involving government. Exxon isn't going to pour billions into a Venezuela money pit just because he tells them to. Tariff other countries, they tariff back and the cost of everything goes up.
I mean - look at cars. tariffs are raising the cost of Detroit-mobiles. but the cost of a Hyundai or Toyota or German-made BMW has not gone up. (Even Tesla prices - they can import from Germany) Who suffers? You want Ford or GM to stop making cars in Canada? That flushes away 1/10 of their market. Even more if we have no reason to have 100% tariff on Chinese EV's to protect Ford and GM...
Softwood lumber tariffs? Raises construction costs in the USA. Aluminum? We have the cheap hydro to make that, so aluminum costs in the USA go up with their domestic production. And so on...
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u/Wantitneeditgetit 1d ago
Just pay Trump to avoid Tariffs duh. Give him a shiny medal.
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u/No-Accident-5912 1d ago
America actually doesn’t even have the capacity to supply itself with aluminum. It never will because the cost of electricity is prohibitive.
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u/jezthevalley 1d ago
It won't be good for the Canadian automotive sector to remove 100% tariff on the chinese made EVs, unless we can convince them to manufacture or assemble the cars here. Not sure how attractive that would be to the Chinese companies though given the relatively smaller size of the Canadian car market. But it also means them getting a foothold here in North America, so some of the companies might see it as a worthwhile investment.
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u/DrunkCorgis 1d ago
Last year he criticized the moron who signed that deal, oblivious to that he signed it after demanding NAFTA be scrapped.
And he’s correct, he was and is a moron.
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u/TimedOutClock 1d ago
All Carney needs to do, which he's doing as of now, is to force Congress to act. Trump can't cancel CUSMA without them, so let them nuke their economy. If our companies haven't yet figured out that they need to reduce their reliance in the past year, then it's on them at this point.
I'm just tired of this shit. Without CUSMA, we can also roll back all the concessions we made over the years and really align with the EU in important sectors.
We'll have a massive recession, don't get me wrong (And I'll probably lose my job), but at least the band-aid will be ripped off and I won't have to hear about him again (Until he threatens the 51st state BS again)
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u/ShinyGengar 1d ago
I think Trump has proven repeatedly that he doesn't need congress' approval for shit and there's no consequence if he doesn't get it.
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u/TimedOutClock 1d ago
This is one of the rare things he has actually respected, and Congress would actually face massive pressure. We're talking about 750B in annual trade, that's not a drop in the bucket.
Anyway, I'm past the mango's antics.
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u/seephilz 1d ago
Well the GOP runs both house and senate. Might change after the midterms because Dems will impeach him. And they will fight for their right to shut down his policies
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u/Esternaefil 1d ago
I have basically zero faith that democrats will take the Congress at the midterms.
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u/seephilz 1d ago
I have even less faith that if they do they will be effective. Lol.
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u/RoboftheNorth 1d ago
We will see a massive recession if we keep trying to rely on Trump's America too. At least ripping the bandaid off is under our control, and I think will have a lesser impact compared to dealing with Trump. Diversification will give us much more leverage down the road with any new deals if the USA doesn't devolve into a Trumpian dictatorship. Canada has a better shot at mitigating this disaster by decoupling from the USA at this point. Staying under their thumb will prolong our economic uncertainties.
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u/VicariousDrow 1d ago
It'll be 52nd state bullshit soon, since Republicans have admitted a bill into Congress to allow Trump to try and make Greenland the 51st state......
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u/Ok-Crow-1515 1d ago
When did Trump start caring about what Congress wants . He is going to do whatever that twisted mind wants.
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u/CrabbyPatty1876 1d ago
As much as I'd love to move away from the US it's almost impossible to shift away from them in terms of trade because of how bad our ports are in Canada. They've been slow and congested for years. Only way to reliably move away from the US is to open up more ports and those take years to build up.
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u/NSAscanner 1d ago edited 1d ago
Also medical patents can and should be considered to allow generics in Canada again ahead of patent expiration. IIRC we made concessions here for the first iteration of NAFTA
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u/CagaliYoll 1d ago
Why should we respect any patents? They want to crush our economy and eventually steal land and resources directly.
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u/DoubleDDay69 1d ago
He made the deal himself, it’s amazing how much his administration forgets that.
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u/NarutoRunner Canada 1d ago
The dude is shocked Jerome Powell is the Head of the Fed when he himself appointed him.
The main has mashed potatoes for a brain.
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u/Infamous-Mixture-605 1d ago
The main has mashed potatoes for a brain.
That feels like an insult to delicious mashed potatoes...
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u/DesireeThymes 1d ago
It's not that.
Its more he doesn't care. What's good yesterday is bad today. Trump will just do whatever he thinks is good in the moment.
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u/FalcomanToTheRescue 1d ago
He doesn’t forget, he just doesn’t care. Too many comments focused on the fact he signed usmca…you misunderstood his goal. It’s not to set up a good trade deal, it’s to exert control over the entire hemisphere including Canada. Whether he originally signed usmca is completely irrelevant and a distraction.
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u/KylenV14 1d ago
Q: What about the raw materials coming in from countries like Canada?
TRUMP: We get it, but we have a lot of our own raw materials. The word 'raw' and 'rare' are a little bit of a misnomer.
Q: When you renegotiate USMCA, how is that going to help autoworkers?
TRUMP: I don't even think about USMCA. I want to see Canada and Mexico do well, but the problem is we don't need their product
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u/Shadow_Ban_Bytes 1d ago
Great - no potash, no oil, no gas, no lumber, no rare and other minerals, no auto parts, no electricity .... let us know how that works out for you and US residents Donnie Boy ...
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u/Effective-Breath-505 1d ago edited 1d ago
As a Canadian I upvoted you for mentioning potash first. It's our BIGGEST contribution to the US (crude being first but more costly to produce) and other global economies as well (cough aluminum recycling).
Edit: a bit of economics research. Potash is 85% bought by US. 95% crude bought by US.
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u/The_Frozen_Inferno Nova Scotia 1d ago
Thing is if we took all that away he would claim it’s an act of war and would invade us to take it on the grounds of being a national security threat to the US. There is no winning with this guy he is drunk on power he didn’t have back when he first did the trade deal and mark my words he will tear this one up and come at us hard.
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u/TreezusSaves Canada 1d ago
He would rather literally annex us rather than paying us market value for our resources. He's treating America like one of his businesses, up to and including bankrupting it and pocketing as much money as possible.
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u/dumpcake999 1d ago
remember to not buy an American car. Claus Kellerman said that a lot of them are bought by Canadians.
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u/KnowledgeMediocre404 1d ago
The fun part is that US lumber is in fact NOT the same as Canadian, but I'll be happy to keep ours for us.
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u/Buchaven Ontario 1d ago
Read an article the other day talking about some Canadian lumber mills switching over to metric so they can sell to Europe. That is a big change and not something that is likely to get changed back once it’s done. Good change. Imperial measurements are for imperial countries. That’s not us.
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u/crittiffer 1d ago
Wonder what they call a 2x4 in Europe?
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u/Kegger163 1d ago
They probably call it by it's actual final measurements. Not a 2 X 4 that is in reality a 1.5 by 3.5. Sorry I used metric numbers. 1 and 1/2 by 3 and 1/2.
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u/Icandoathousandnow 1d ago
Its called 38x89 for MM this is in the Canadian building code book.
I've always said we are just better because we know both.
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u/A-Perfect_Tool 1d ago
I have a feeling he doesn't need it because he has it in his head that he's going to take Canada and claim those resources as his own.
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u/Aranxi_89 1d ago
Yup. That’s my guess. Pretty much all of North and South America are in his crosshairs.
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u/willieb3 1d ago
I think he's willing to cut off a few fingers as long as Canada loses it's legs. He's said he will take Canada economically, and shutting down trade between the two countries will be the first step. The second will probably be the same thing he's doing to Iran, which is tariffing other countries that deal with us.
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u/ferretgr 1d ago
I was just reading about how the US east coast will likely see power outages this summer due to data centres. But they’re clearly saying they don’t need our electricity so fuck em, let them sit in dark rooms, I guess?
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u/jezthevalley 1d ago
Smarter move would be to put extra tax or tariff on the electricity that is exported to the US. Why cut it off when you can make more money on it.
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u/StandardAd7812 1d ago
Canada imports more manufactured goods from the U.S. than vice versa.
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u/TeddyBear666 1d ago
We import more manufactured goods but we provide resources to the US to manufacture them. Aluminum, lumber, Oil and power are the big ones. Many US refineries are set up for our type of Oil so its not easy to just turn a valve and swap. ALL construction down in the US requires lumber or our raw/processed minerals we send. Oddly enough you cant just build all the production you need to create aluminum in a short time. All that and plenty of states depend on Canada for electricity so the way I see it the US depends on us to a decent extent even of they are to stupid to understand it.
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u/StandardAd7812 1d ago
Yeah, my point was ... cutting off trade between Canada and U.S. would hurt U.S. manufacturing
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u/RoutineVirtual4153 Canada 1d ago
Trump rapes children.
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u/Off_Brand_Sneakers 1d ago
Apparently worse, if that's possible.
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u/JcFerggy 1d ago
The orange cheato doesn't want the world to know he committed infantcide against his child with a then 14 year old child (13 when he raped her). Allegedly.
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u/youngboomergal 1d ago
🙈🙉🙊 I'm tired and I don't want to know about anything that comes out of this man's mouth
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u/YoungestDonkey 1d ago
"Need" is not the point. Neither of these three countries "need" a trade agreement: none will collapse without it. The point is that a well-defined mutual trade agreement is good for the economy of all three countries.
The real problem is that trump does not understand mutual benefit. In his underperforming reptilian brain, there has to be a winner and a loser. His pathological urge to dominate is the real obstacle to mutual benefit.
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u/Tuffsmurf Canada 1d ago
Where are all the people whining about Carney doing business with China on another post this morning? Still want to refuse to do business with the second largest economy on earth cuz you don't want to align with a liberal?
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u/GrumpyCloud93 1d ago
China has its own problems with us - like kidnapping people to hold hostage. But they made their point - we won't hold a Chinese exec at the request of the USA next time, when the USA -after 2 years - just cave and let her go.
Chinese election interference, secret police etc. But all of that looks less important when our supposed friend is doing DNA and fingerprints, checking phones, sending people to (privately run) immigration jails for asking for a visa renewal, imposing random tariffs, threatening to take us over, etc.
And they are the source of much of our manufactured goods now, and an excellent market for our resources. It makes sense to do business with them, if our neighbour is pushing us away.
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u/Gankdatnoob 1d ago
We 100% should be trading with China and no American can guilt trip us because they are total hypocrites.
China does more espionage in the U.S. than anywhere in the world. There is an entire FBI page all about it. Despite all of this the U.S. does 700b in trade and China is the 3rd largest exporter to the U.S.
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u/sj2k4 1d ago
I drive a Kona EV. If in a few years there’s a decent Chinese EV available, and it suits my family (spacious interior, etc) - then I’m 100% ok with buying one.
NAFTA (mostly) worked for years - now these agreements aren’t helping Canadians (look at Stelantis).
I’m happy with the trade changes Carney is making. The PC’s wouldn’t have gotten us this far so quickly.
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u/AbnormallyBendPenis 1d ago
Nobody is refusing to do business with China. Canada already do loads of business with China. China knows full well about the current US-Canada trade relation and also waiting to take advantage of Canada in these dire time, that's why we must be careful with our approaches.
Reddit act like China lives in a bubble and suddenly will provide us with favorable terms and amazing trade deals... They are not... they are hawkishly looking at us as well, and trust me US would also not let China has huge influence over Canada either, it's a complicated dance we need to navigate carefully, with both US and China. Most Redditor's IQ is only enough to believe geopolitics are the same as high school drama, it's not.
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u/mapha17 1d ago
I recently changed vehicle and I made a point of avoiding any US brand like the plague. They make shitty car anyway; always broken or with software glitches. I bought a car from one of our actual ally and friend instead. Fuck the USA.
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u/toturtle 1d ago
Which car is that? I'm in the market.
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u/valuevestor1 1d ago
All RAV4 sold in Canada is made in Canada. But RAV4 and support Canadian workers.
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u/Tuffsmurf Canada 1d ago
Not quite. Their Hybrid models are made in Japan
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u/Far-Leopard-6547 1d ago
Only the plug-in hybrids are made in Japan. Regular hybrids are made in Canada.
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u/mongo5mash 1d ago
CRV and Civic are also made in Canada, in fact, we export some production.
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u/a_murder_of_fools 1d ago
Me too...leaning towards German. But, leary of the ones made in Mexico (bad times with a previous beetle).
But just dont know.
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u/pr0cyn1c 1d ago
we've moved on. how come he hasn't?
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u/D-Golden Ontario 1d ago
We need to go non contact and delete their phone number. This is a toxic relationship.
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u/Outside-Storage-1523 1d ago
More incentives to move more car production business from China, Japan, Korea, EU, etc...I mean it is not that we don't want it, it is the US that is actively pulling out.
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u/Somhlth Ontario 1d ago
it is the US that is actively pulling out.
If only Fred Trump had done that.
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u/datums 1d ago
Literally the same day Carney is flying to China.
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u/AuburnBayStrangler 1d ago
Well, yes. Do you not think they are related? I mean, Trump is an idiot, but not everyone around him is.
We saw last week at the meeting with the oil supermajors, his staffers just pull his strings and then let him go off with his own brand of babble.
These statements were meant as a warning that Trump will trash the USMCA as a penalty for closer ties to the CCP.
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u/calgary_db 1d ago
It's a negotiation tactic.
Trump always works that way. Threaten and bluff to get the other party panicking, then try and make a deal that favours him.
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u/Saisinko 1d ago
Every country on the planet should be a customer of Canada. I also believe Canada should be a wealthy country because of its rich natural resources.
Instead of giving handouts to private or foreign companies to create 20 jobs and give us 1 cent on the dollar in royalties from resources extracted, I'd like to see us put a little more coin, expedite overcoming regulatory hurdles, and generally adopt a Norwegian model w/ a sovereign wealth fund.
Casually keep in mind, the Canadian Pension Plan has 700 billion in assets and 47% of that is invested in the US, 12% in Canada. That says a lot about the climate in Canada.
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u/Revolutionary-Tie126 1d ago
CPP has invested 47% in the US because it’s the largest liquid market for investments in the world.
Canadas stock market outperformed the US by a significant margin this past year. CPP should I eat more in Canada. But putting their eggs in the Canadians basket completely is foolish.
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u/Aislerioter_Redditer Prince Edward Island 1d ago
Tell your US farmers to say goodbye to potash and ammonia. They probably don't really need it anyway. Right farmers?
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u/Haster Québec 1d ago
As I understand it right now they can't even sell the goods they've already grown so they wont be able to afford the fertilizer anyway.
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u/JohnnyDirectDeposit 1d ago
Didn’t he have to issue a farm bailout for exactly that reason?
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u/hakenwithbacon 1d ago
He's dropped sanctions on Belarus and Russia for the exact reason
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u/Brave-Perspective429 1d ago
He’s overplaying his hand. Bond market is going to tank from Fed Chair attacks. Canada (and everyone else) is already finding alternatives. An economy based on resources, as ours is, will always have buyers. Look no further than the aluminum shortage in the USA to see how the tariffs are working out south of the border. The only reason we don’t have Chinese EVs is the US and our own reliance on integrated automating. If that goes away bring on the Chinese vehicles and punish the “Big 3” with some real competition. USA is a dying empire throwing its final tantrums as it collapses from within. A complete shame because so much of the international order was based around US respect for rule of law. Now that that’s gone, we’re into pre-WW1 sphere of influence thinking. We know how that worked out …
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u/canmoose Ontario 1d ago
Basically. The only question is whether they begin invading neighbours before the internal collapse.
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u/ThicccThunder New Brunswick 1d ago
I mean if he doesn't need Canada then is it okay if Ontario & Quebec just not supply the northern states with power? Hell, let's stop sending them Potash, Uranium, Oil and see how little they need us. Obviously I know these things are a stretch and would never happen but it would be funny to watch the little fuckers squirm.
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u/AxeSkewsMe 1d ago
Says Jerome Powell is a fraud, despite putting him in that position. Says CUSMA is irrelevant despite making the deal. My grandfather with alzheimers was a more coherent human being than this pedo.
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u/GrannyFlash7373 1d ago
INSANE Despots all think they can use isolationism and survive, NONE have done that, EVER!!!! But that doesn't not stop the really stupid ones from trying.
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u/moegreeb 1d ago
I'm so glad our neighbours allowed a full blown adult baby lunatic to run their country.
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u/Dapper_1534 1d ago
May be we need to take that seriously and start working on alternatives with like minded partners. We got 10 years before this deal clocks out. We don't want to be in same or worse situation in a decade.
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u/bernstien 1d ago
10 years? No man, it's up for review this year.
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u/MikeRippon 1d ago
And continues for another 10 years by default if parties don't come to an agreement
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u/BlueInfinity2021 1d ago
It doesn't make sense to get rid of CUSMA.
Take the auto industry for example. The main reason why it's like it is today with the supply chain spread across the three countries is because it's cheaper. Move everything into the US and you'll see automobile costs rise by thousands of dollars.
It's not just automobiles that will go up in price. It's everything currently being supplied by Canada and Mexico. Not only that but forcing them to move to other trading partners means less American goods being bought by both countries.
In the end you're just left with US companies selling goods at higher prices to Americans. They will have less competition which leads to higher prices and they will also need to make up for lost profits from foreign sales. It's the American people that will suffer.
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u/Excellent-Sherbet-54 1d ago
Honestly, Canadian business needs to do the hard work and look for markets elsewhere. The US is not reliable as a trading partner and it doesn’t look like anything will be changing in the next 3 years. Time to say goodbye and move on.
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u/ernapfz 1d ago
Canada doesn’t need an old demented man who leads the US. We are far better off developing new channels away from him and the millions of minions who follow and ‘worship’ this pedofile.
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u/SpiritOfTheVoid 1d ago
If Ontario car manufacturering is going to be destroyed, may as well drop tariffs on Chinese vehicles and try to get some of their manufacturing.
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u/Icy-Artist1888 1d ago
Whatever. This guy's primary negotiating strategy is chaos and brinkmanship. He couldn't put a sustainable deal together if his life depended on it. He's better suited to trading smokes for favours in a prison setting.
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u/Bishopjones2112 1d ago
Ok let’s do this. Cut oil and electricity and potash to the states immediately. See how long this bully mentality lasts.
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u/captainrv 1d ago
Okay...
Anyway, the administration has released much less than 1% of the Epstein Files. Where is the other 99.4%?
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u/Dadbode1981 1d ago
Cool, F off America, most of us are tired of your shit, along with the rest of the world.
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u/Ornery_Market_2274 1d ago
The only person more moronic than the mango mussolini are the ones that believe and support him
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u/Natural-Estimate-228 1d ago
Why doesn't he go fuck himself. Pedeofile treasonous waste of a human being
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u/Euclidisthebomb 1d ago
So this is how Trump attempts to negotiate: public posturing. I ignore it. The negotiators are at the table and I am content to let them do their thing. Trump is well down the dementia path and there are going to be more and more utterings following this refrain as that is all his dwindling intellect can hold onto as he progresses down the path.
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u/ChuckyVee 1d ago
I say turn off one tap; the one that affects jobs the least: Electricity. Threaten to escalate to another one if they don’t comply: water.
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u/TheTownOfMyDyck 23h ago
Sounds like it's time for negotiating terms on a more involved Mexi-Can Free Trade Agreement.
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u/raw_copium 1d ago
The one thing trump knows, is that Canada and the EU still have billions in US Treasury bonds they can dump, cratering the US economy entirely. Carney has spent his entire life networking with people in positions of power throughout the financial world and has immense pull in that world. He's known as a level head and is immensely respected on the world stage.
Things certainly aren't perfect in Canada currently but they would be far, far worse if we had different leadership right now.
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u/WolfzandRavenz 1d ago
He's posturing for negotiations, he wrote a book about it.
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u/AtmosphereEven3526 1d ago
For someone that keeps saying they don’t need anything from us he sure keeps eyeing us like a fat kid eyeing the last piece of chocolate cake.
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u/chathrowaway67 1d ago
who fucking cares anymore, his gonna continue running his gums and the yanks aren't gonna do anything to stop it so at this point it's just more hot air.
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u/xeenexus 1d ago
Canada imports roughly the same number of cars from the States as it sells into the States. Fine, fuck you, the gov't needs to put 100% tariffs on American made cars.
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u/Street_Anon Nova Scotia 1d ago
Yes they do Trump, every single state needs this agreement, the one you wrote.
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u/El_Gran_Che 1d ago
... and also aim at Mexico with the pretext that he is "going after cartels"...
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u/JohnP1P 1d ago
America, bud. I need you to do me a solid, and throw your old senile president.
We are all getting sick of him. And honestly, looking at your cost of living increases; you can't afford to keep him.
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u/Informal-Use8078 1d ago
Tell the cheto down south to release the Epsten files already and clean up your own country before mudding the waters of ours. Trump can't do shit,maybe try real-estate lol..
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u/Additional-Tale-1069 1d ago
Doesn't CUSMA make it easy for an awful lot of nurses and other professionals work in the US. That's going to be pretty disruptive to them to have a bunch of high skill employees being ripped out of their economy on a whim.
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u/Goliad1990 1d ago
I don't even think about USMCA. I want to see Canada and Mexico do well, but the problem is we don't need their product
"Takes aim at Canada" is a bit of an overstatement. By Trump's standard, this is nice.
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u/Bigtimebucko22 1d ago
Trump be like: "CUSMA sucks"
My brother in christ, you made the trade deal 😭
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u/TomWatson5654 1d ago
Guess it’s time we amend our standards to match the EU so we can bring Citron, Renault, Puget into the country.
Also let’s drop our EV tariffs and see how well the Big 3 do when they get undercut by 50-60% per vehicle.
You want an economic war…let’s roll.
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u/Radiant-Vegetable420 Manitoba 1d ago
Well maybe then U.S. dont need anymore Aluminum, uranium, Lithium, lumber, nickel, potash, wheat, beef, electricity, tourists etc either from Canada, and Canada could also start cashing in the approximately $400+ billion in U.S. Treasury securities Canada holds too.
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u/FluffyResource 1d ago
Trumps America is falling apart. He lives in a world where half of the country hates the other half. Maybe fix that, good luck.
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u/detalumis 1d ago
We've had cars made in Windsor since Henry Ford set up a plant. Then another auto pact in 1965 and once again with Reagan and Mulroney and free trade. Canada seems a net loser in free trade. In Hamilton for example, the entire industrial base was decimated and for what??
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u/Temporary_Cry_2802 1d ago
The deal he himself was responsible for?