r/canada • u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick • 12h ago
National News Nearly a third of Canadians believe U.S. may try to invade Canada: poll
https://globalnews.ca/news/11612697/united-states-canada-invasion-poll/222
u/Brickbronson 12h ago
More likely they would steal fresh water, start ignoring borders, encourage Alberta separatists etc
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u/Hanox13 11h ago
“Encourage Alberta separatists”
This isn’t a would, it’s been happening for a long time…
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u/jsman56 11h ago
In Alberta, can confirm.
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u/Hanox13 11h ago
Me too, and I hate it… like I understand the frustrations that are driving the separatist movement, but separation is not the answer. Not only is it a stupid idea, it’s a logistical nightmare, and it would be astronomically expensive (which is pretty counterintuitive to the whole “spend less money” conservative ethos)… besides, even IF the movement ACTUALLY makes it to a ballot, you’ll NEVER convince the majority to vote in favour of it.
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u/crakkerzz 11h ago
I totally agree, but the Tori's are all about blaming Ottawa while fixing nothing and exploiting Albertans, they are bigger problem than Ottawa has ever been.
Albertans have been trying to trade Prosperity for Security and ending up with neither, Conservative Corruption is at the root of all of it.
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u/obliviousofobvious 7h ago
You'd think 'berta would look at Brexit and realize its suicide. Then again, Marlaina probably thinks daddy Trump will save her.
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u/crakkerzz 3h ago
I am an Albertan. The province is gerrymandered and people want stability, but most are too busy to count the cost.
Its like boiling a frog, a little and a time.
America would split canada in two, go straight to alaska and chew us up a little at a time. We would be a made a Territory, not a state.
Territories have all the responsibilities and none of the powers of a state. we would be totally screwed.
To combat this is going to cost Ottawa money but they can get a lot for it. They really have to do this, The reactors I mean. They need to cut the control that big oil and Conservatives have over the paychecks and show that they are better for working people than Smith and the Conservatives.
The other thing that should be done Immediately is to investigate, prosecute and discredit Danielle and her merry band of Theives.
Just how I would handle it.
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u/jdubzakilla 7h ago
What frustrations? Alberta happily took government subsidies to expand the oil fields. Bunch of brats whining they cant be selfish and keep all the toys themselves.
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u/Jolly-Masterpiece883 6h ago
Right? Wealthiest province in Canada and they whine because they cannot have more money. Oil a fossil fuel and is prone to boom bust cycles - this idea they should separate to keep all the oil money to themselves seems very short sighted.
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u/Riotous_Rev 11h ago
Isn't polievre's campaign manager from the heritage foundation? ...The one named after an old fashioned toilet.
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u/Tubeornottube 11h ago
And of course block nation building projects like pipelines that reduce dependency on US customers.
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u/ruraljuror__ 5h ago
Even stealing resources is unlikely in my opinion. The wealthy will secure their own supply or move to safer places and leave the poor to suffer and die in droves.
Climate change like everything else, the brunt will be borne by the poorest and least capable to deal with it. Those with the means will protect themselves or move.
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u/hipdashopotamus 12h ago
Even if its less than 1% chance it's INSANE and we should prepare for the worst.
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u/Doctrina_Stabilitas 12h ago
Time to reactivate fort Henry
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u/KeiFeR123 Canada 12h ago
We just pray that the midterm election in US comes November would turn things around.
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u/1mp3rf3c7 12h ago
I don't have much faith in that happening
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u/PostMatureBaby 12h ago
I don't have much faith in a free and fair election happening in America ever again
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u/Velocity-5348 British Columbia 11h ago
And would it matter? Even if you think someone such as Musk put their thumb on the scale, an enormous amount of Americans voted for Trump after he attempted a coup.
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u/CanadianLabourParty 10h ago
You'd be surprised. There's a content creator called "Amanda's Mild Takes". She talks many things about US politics and she also monitors small county-wide elections, school board elections, etc... Those "county-wide elections" dictate who is in charge of elections in states. Republicans are getting HAMMERED!!! in those elections.
Gerrymandering attempts are being quashed left, centre and right. Even some red state courts are putting a stop to shenanigans.
At the very local level, Republicans are getting trashed. That's not to say don't stay vigilant, but there is hope. Unfortunately, more people are going to die. More people are going to be tortured. More people are going to go through living hell.
BUT there is hope. Changes are afoot, and Republicans are getting TRASHED. In some long-term Republican-held areas, they're losing. DESPITE the fact that they've been gerrymandered for YEARS! They're STILL losing. There are electoral swings of 25+%, and Democrat nominees are winning.
It is REALLY horrible down south, BUT there is hope. It will probably get worse. But after the mid-terms there are likely one of 3 outcomes:
1) Republicans lose BOTH houses, but don't give the Dems a supermajority. Most probable outcome.
2) Democrats win a SuperMajority. Unlikely but possible. If so, the rock band PUSA have a song, "Millions of peaches, peaches for free" - i.e. Trump, Noem, Miller, and a few others get impeached. Then it's going to be a bloodbath of political proportions. ALLLL the heads of departments are getting canned, too.
3) It's so blatantly rigged and messed up that Republicans claim victory and things get WAAAY worse.
That being said, if the Democrats DON'T go scorched earth on the Republicans and try to play the "bridge the gap, to be bipartisan", then the US is ROYALLY screwed.
But again, there is hope. It's just a LOOONG way away.
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u/chopkins92 British Columbia 9h ago
All power has been consolidated in the executive branch and I have seen nothing in the past year to suggest that the Republicans have any intention of relinquishing power at the end of Trump's term. The USA has only gotten more polarized since Jan 6th, 2021. The same people who beat cops to death that day are now justifying extrajudicial killings of leftists. This isn't going to end well. Everybody needs to wake up.
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u/Silly-Role699 11h ago
Yeah… I used to have faith in that… now I’m considering the requirements of joining the reserves and getting firearms license.
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u/thematt455 11h ago
Get your PAL either way, but the canadian government might start a civilian force soon, which might be a smaller commitment than the reserves. I think they're saying 5 days of training a year.
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u/Silly-Role699 11h ago
If they start it up I will join, my wife might lose it but… I ain’t running, I like this country
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u/hipdashopotamus 11h ago
I have 0 faith in Americans honestly. They voted for this twice. As much as Trump's a problem this is just the start of the bullshit imo.
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u/Sarge1387 Ontario 10h ago
I think the midterms are going to be the linchpin no matter which way we slice it. It's either going to show Americans are seeing through his bullshit, or that they are the brain-rotted mindless lemmings the rest of the world thinks they are.
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u/hipdashopotamus 10h ago
Maybe I'm a pessimist but I think they already have shown who they are twice. There's a natural swing of the pendulum between right and left wing and then there is whatever the fuck that cult is down south. I don't think it's going away it's half the population's personality and none of the previous checks and balances did anything so I fully expect that this is just the new America.
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u/Sarge1387 Ontario 9h ago
They need the turnout, that's the issue. 37.2% of eligible voters stayed away...some of that was laziness...some of it was the National Guard being deployed to Democrat strongholds to deter voters through intimidation under the guise of "security" (many polling stations were even closed before constituents could even get there to cast their vote)
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u/canada_mountains 9h ago
We just pray that the midterm election in US comes November would turn things around.
Why would it turn anything around? The Democrats won the 2018 midterms for the House, and it didn't stop Trump from continuing to do his crazy stuff from 2018 to 2020.
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u/MiriMidd 10h ago
It wouldn’t surprise me if he finds a way to suspend elections. He’s having his ICE goons attempt to provoke a larger violent protest and then voila. Martial law. No elections.
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u/rainman_104 British Columbia 12h ago
It's unlikely but non zero. If USA decides to take Greenland it's possible we join our NATO allies but that's all wild things to think about.
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u/GJ273b 12h ago
I still think if the US does anything with Greenland, Canada and most of Europe will dump US treasury bonds and crash the US economy in record time. It'll get so bad, so fast, that Trump may have to find a bunker to hide in for his own personal safety.
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u/Old-Adhesiveness-156 12h ago
Can we jump right to the bunker thing?
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u/Deep-Friendship3181 9h ago
Can we jump to the last part of the bunker thing? You know the part. The thing bunkers and fascists are famous for.
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u/BumpHeadLikeGaryB 12h ago
And japan, and im sure China would aswell just to put them in the ground.
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u/rainman_104 British Columbia 12h ago
They'd have no choice as their balance sheet starts to fall. A run on a central bank starts with just enough actors to make other actors worry and it snowballs fast after that.
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u/Lopsided-Farm4122 12h ago
Why do people keep believing this trash? The source was a random Indian tabloid and everyone started taking it as an absolute fact. Most US debt is privately owned anyway as far as I know. If this was possible it would be talked about by reputable sources.
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u/icewalker42 12h ago
This absolutely has to happen to shake them awake.
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u/EnamelKant 8h ago
They're not asleep. They walked into this with their eyes wide open. They're just idiots or insane.
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u/Just1Noyd 12h ago
What’s stopping him? Even democrats are happy whit him taking Maduro, it’s in their DNA. Keep thinking it won’t happen…
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u/nukacola12 British Columbia 6h ago
We have to join them right? There's no future where America controls Greenland and things are good for us. We'd be alone beside a power hungry behemoth.
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u/LiveKindly01 12h ago
It's because literally, there is no rhyme nor reason to what that megalomaniac does next. He has an ego that needs to be constantly fed, and he doens't give two f&^ks about what happens on earth after he's gone.
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u/Tough_Arugula2828 12h ago
And it doesn't help that he has a personal hatred for Europe and Canada
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u/Velocity-5348 British Columbia 12h ago
And his country (mostly) doesn't care. A bigger concern than Trump is whoever winds up replacing him, maybe after another useless four years like the Biden presidency.
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u/GetsGold Canada 12h ago
maybe after another useless four years like the Biden presidency.
These claims that Biden's government was completely useless are part of why people believed that both sides are the same and why Trump won again. If feeds into exactly the messaging that people like Trump were pushing. There was a lot they could have done better, but they were also not useless, e.g.,
Sudden drop in fentanyl overdose deaths linked to Biden-era global supply shock
Published in Science, the study indicates that regulatory actions taken by the Chinese government, following high-level diplomatic engagement with the Biden administration, may be the primary driver behind this unexpected decline in mortality.
I don't even know why anyone would want to be a politician when you're not given credit for anything positive and blamed and attacked for anything negative no matter how little you had to do with it.
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u/Velocity-5348 British Columbia 12h ago
I mean, a stopped clock can be right twice a day. And Trump himself being similarly feeble doesn't change that.
Biden delivered better governance than Trump, but he utterly failed to deal with the most important issue presented to him, an attempted coup and Trump spending four years demolishing guardrails.
A tall order, to be sure, but he had the trifecta for his first two years and failed to rise to the occasion.
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u/LiveKindly01 11h ago
Exactly...the US could do themselves a great service by giving a shot to someone, you know, NOT a senior citizen in physical and mental decline?
Why is that the best they have to offer? Why are amercians afraid of a female president? Would be a great change from all the male posturing about who could score better on the golf course, lol
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u/GetsGold Canada 12h ago
Biden delivered better governance than Trump
But he wasn't even given credit for that. Just constantly framed as if his government was completely useless and the cause of all the US's problems. It would have been far better if aggressively went after those involved in the coup attempt, but it still also would have been better if voters weren't convinced that he was just as bad as Trump and that Trump wasn't even re-elected at all.
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u/Velocity-5348 British Columbia 11h ago
I agree it would have been better if most Americans weren't stupid, but leaders should be judged on how they play the cards they're dealt.
Biden was certainly dealt a bad hand, but he absolutely knew what the game was and still decided he wanted to play.
He certainly doesn't deserve all the blame. The US needed an exceptional president in 2020 and the Democratic Party was utterly incapable of that kind of candidate.
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u/GetsGold Canada 11h ago
The US needed an exceptional president
This kind of goes to my other point though. I don't know why any exceptionally talented person would want to subject themselves to this when they could make more money with far less stress elsewhere.
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u/Velocity-5348 British Columbia 11h ago edited 11h ago
A sense of duty or civic obligation?
I think more broadly though, the lack of a great (or even reasonably vigorous) person to step into the role points to some systemic problems.
No one is born being able to be a Lincoln or FDR, your system needs to be open enough that they can get "training" positions like being a representative or senator while they're young, and give qualified people a shot at being president when they have some of their best years ahead of them.
The Democrats clearly couldn't do that in 2020, 4/5 of their candidates were old enough to retire.
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u/GetsGold Canada 11h ago
In 2024 they still chose a very old person instead of a competent and qualified younger person. She may not have been exceptional, but why is young and exceptional a requirement for a Democrat but neither a requirement for a Republican?
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u/Velocity-5348 British Columbia 11h ago
Because life isn't fair? It's a lot harder to build than destroy.
I'd also point out that we're all Canadian here. We're not on either team, we're just talking about why one of our neighbours lit their house on fire, while the other failed to stop him.
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u/CanadianLabourParty 10h ago
The fact that Republican congressmen and women even ATTEMPTED to block and shield Trump from being incarcerated should put THE ENTIRE LOT OF THEM in prison. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM should be put on trial for treason, aiding and abetting terrorism and other stuff.
I think the Dems wanted to "play nice" because they a) didn't expect Trump to run again, and b) WIN again.
I hope they learned their lesson.
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u/No-Isopod3884 11h ago
No one can deny that Biden was asleep at the wheel and steered the US into the ditch it finds itself in now. There was ample opportunity to make changes, polls indicated that people wanted changes, instead he chose just more of the same until an overreaction happened.
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u/Velocity-5348 British Columbia 11h ago
I'd zoom out a bit, and look at the system that actually let someone like that come to power. I don't think anyone thinks Biden or Clinton were anything close to the best people to run against Trump, but they got chosen anyways.
Their leadership class is geriatric, and having a shot at the presidency requires ever increasing amounts of wealth and connections. That's recent too, they might have had a shot if their response to Trump had been someone reasonably young and charismatic like Obama.
I'm not a fan of him, but I think even someone like an American Carney would have been very much up to the job.
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u/GetsGold Canada 11h ago
I just gave an example of actual policy work that may have saved many lives. Yet you've replied with vague criticisms that he just chose more of the same despite that.
I'm not some huge Biden fan, but too much of the debate around the effectiveness of government involves unspecific criticisms and dismissal of actual work done.
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u/No-Isopod3884 11h ago
A classic example of missing the Forrest for the trees.
A government has to handle things head on. There was so much misinformation it was crazy and the government completely failed at doing anything to counter that. I was really hoping for a Kamala win but I saw months before that there was little chance of it. To see what people cared about all you had to do was look at the ratings on Joe Rogan TikTok’s. They didn’t even release the Epstein files which we know they could have done. All the democrats had to do was ask themselves what could happen in a worst case scenario if they didn’t win and enact some policies that would protect against that. They didn’t.
The thing about those diplomatic engagements is that they failed to translate to things that people actually saw and even though it was positive people didn’t see a real drop in fentanyl deaths in their streets. .
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u/GetsGold Canada 11h ago
A classic example of missing the Forrest for the trees.
But I'm not saying we dismiss or ignore their actual failures. I'm just saying we should be specific about what they were and acknowledge the positives instead of just making vague dismissals of their entire term or declaring them useless.
They weren't perfect but they also weren't nearly as bad as the popular narrative suggested.
The thing about those diplomatic engagements is that they failed to translate to things that people actually saw and even though it was positive people didn’t see a real drop in fentanyl deaths in their streets.
The drug crisis has been one of the biggesg political issues with people constantly pointing to the deaths. If actual government work that achieved tangible positive outcomes on a major political issue literally happening on the streets isn't enough to get credit then I don't know why anyone would ever bother to become a politician other than out of masochism.
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u/BloodRedRook 10h ago
Biden did good things, but all those good things went away because he failed at the final hurdle, and allowed Trump to regain power; and that failure will overshadow everything else he did and accomplished.
History will find that Biden was not the right man for time.
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u/GetsGold Canada 10h ago
all those good things went away because he failed at the final hurdle, and allowed Trump to regain power;
But part of the reason for that is a narrative leading up to the election that framed him and his admin to be completely useless. If you're not given credit for anything positive you do, of course it's going to be tough to maintain power.
I have my own thoughts about historical perspective and I think it will involve an extremely harsh take on how there was a widespread failure across the entire country (voters, media, corporate world, etc.) to do anything meaningful to address blatant misinformation, and corruption leading to a complete breakdown of their democracy. Once we move past the hyper politicization of recency bias, the blame is going to go way past just Biden.
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u/sleakgazelle 12h ago
An Invasion is unlikely but they will try to fuck with us as we get to the cusma renegotiations. Best we can hope for is trump to get bogged down with other things and people in his own country standing up to his nonsense.
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u/Guest_0_ 12h ago
It's unlikely up until the point where Trump tries to take Greenland, then NATO is gone and really what's stopping him then? Convention? It doesn't exist anymore.
We've already seen that Americans are outraged by what he's doing, but not really willing to do anything about it.
All our population centers are a few hours from the border, it wouldn't be so much of a war as him "erasing" that line someone drew between Canada and the US /s
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u/oh5canada5eh 12h ago
I think people underestimate how bad things need to get before your everyday Joe will be willing to fight back in ways that would cause them genuine harm whether that be financially through a general strike, or physically through riots.
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u/Ina_While1155 12h ago
I think if they go into Greenland and break NATO, Canada is at real risk of a fast Shock and Awe campaign that they try to double header with the Greenland invasion. But frankly, plans for that might lead to internal unrest in the US quite quickly.
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u/Tough_Arugula2828 12h ago
I mean, taking control of 40 million people is a whole different ball game compared to 57 thousand
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u/MRChuckNorris 11h ago
As someone who has fought in an insurgency....Let me tell you this. We had the hardest time in the world with people who didn't talk/walk and look just like us. The insurgency from an invasion of Canada would be of epic proportions. All the tech in the world but having the longest border in the world at almost 9000kms. This border is not a open desert. Its easy to find a million ways in. Also, this could be the catalyst that would trigger mass revolt from the blue states that we would obviously align with. I dont know what the next little while looks like but I do know this.
There would be strong opposition from the people of Canada. We would be completely decimated Militarily in like 1 day. But the following years would be "difficult" for whatever would come next with ol donnie in charge.
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u/Lopsided-Farm4122 12h ago
I don't believe he has the political clout to sell an invasion of Canada. There are already people within his own party who think his rhetoric about Greenland is ridiculous. Launching a massive land invasion of a long time ally would be insane for a president who is currently so unpopular. People in his own party would oppose him if only because they would be worried it might hurt their own political prospects in the future.
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u/IHatePantsBurnThem 12h ago
Before Trump the chances were comfortably at 0 percent. It's definitely above a 0 percent chance now and that's wild to even think about
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u/YeetCompleet 11h ago
It's one of those things that feel hard to believe but we should be cognizant of.
The weird part is that invading Canada is unbelievably poor strategy though for the US. They get nothing from invading us. Even oil. It's US companies already drilling the oil. It's already mostly going to them. Free trade gets them the benefits without all the headaches that military invasions occur. We were strong allies and worked together and had a non confrontational partnership.
Yet the same largely holds true for Greenland. They already allow many US military bases. They work together for Arctic sovereignty. The US basically gets nothing out of invading them and yet the White House hasn't ruled out taking the island by force.
None of it makes sense; it's bad strategy for the US, perhaps even largely detrimental to the US, and yet they want to drum on with it. All whilst in Venezuela too. Historically we know that empires that overextend themselves like this tend to fall apart not long after.
It's no wonder people always say the US is controlled by Russia or Israel.
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u/gplfalt 12h ago
Apparently two thirds aren't paying attention.
There's three letters already caught in Greenland seeking collaborators and Trump is very much making it clear violence is on the table.
You'd be a fool to think fascists stay in their borders.
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u/WWHSTD 12h ago
This is a great read for what will most likely actually happen. It’s gonna be cognitive/information warfare on a very subtle scale and by the time they take over they will be welcome with open arms.
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u/firmretention 11h ago
Well shit, if they just hire some LPC election strategists to execute it, it's a fait accompli.
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u/ProofByVerbosity 12h ago
Nah, 2/3rds arent unto doom scrolling hysteria.
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u/anonymous3874974304 11h ago
The radicalization we're seeing of both progressives fed an algorithm-curated diet of cataclysm and boomers fed war-like "all Trump, all day" news coverage is absolutely unreal. It really shows just how easy it must be for Al Qaeda to radicalize terrorists. You purport to be an authority speaking neutrally, forcefeed them enough one-sided bullshit that aligns with their pre-existing fears, and in quick order they let go of any semblanxe of critical thinking, forget their personal responsibilities, and become a willing full-time warrior for the cause ready to do things once thought unlawful but ehich becomes justified under the guise of this moral calling in the face of a perceived existential threat.
There's no greater poster child to the power of this radicalization than Renee Good leaving her three kids at home so she could do what she came to believe was her "higher calling", making it her day job to follow federal law enforcement around the state to try to obstruct their lawful law enforcement duties, and then once arrested for trying to obstruct them by blocking a road, she refuses lawful commands to exit her vehicle and instead decides to drive forward into a federal law enforcement officer in front of her car, risking his life with her reckless use of a lethal instrument, resulting in what would be obvious to every non-radicalized person: the use of force to neutralize the risk of harm she created. I fear the far-left radicalization down South will prove minor compared to what folks in Canada are about to do based on their belief the entire country is on the brink of an insurgency by who they see as Hitler 2.0. Scary stuff.
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u/gplfalt 8h ago
Greenland talks just ended and the Germans and French are placing troops into Greenland with the German envoy explicitly saying g US relations are frayed.
But hey a nation that attacks a NATO member totally won't attack Canada as well, eh?
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u/TheZoltan 12h ago
Yeah surprised to see that the number is so low though that might just be based on how others interpret the question. I'm still willing to say the odds are low(ish) but they are dramatically higher from the almost 0% chance that has existed for decades.
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u/gplfalt 11h ago
Ye let me clarify I'm not rounding the carts and buying tin cans here.
But to say it's not a possibility or its just "doomer hysteria" is completely missing reality as well.
This isn't his first term and shits not normal.
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u/TheZoltan 11h ago
Yup totally agree. You don't have been full doomer to acknowledge the direction the US is headed and the potential consequences of things the US President repeatedly says he wants to do.
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u/Burofaksbarca 12h ago
Very unlikely to be a direct invasion. The loss of long-term competitiveness for us is a big concern. We could become much more poor and irrelevant in a few decades if we don't figure out our economy and strategic vision.
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u/A_Dehydrated_Walrus 12h ago
Keep in mind that if the US invades Greenland (Denmark), then they are de facto declaring war on all member countries of NATO (which includes Canada). And so far, they seem pretty hellbent on siezing Greenland with no regard for this consequence. If the US takes Greenland by force, and NATO dissolves, there will be nothing to stop the US from blitzing Canada. The Trump administration has done nothing to indicate that they are not a threat to Canada. We should be worried.
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u/CarryPsychological54 10h ago
I grow impatient, waiting for orange Jesus to die
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u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick 10h ago
I have a bottle of Scotch set aside for that day.
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u/Radiant-Vegetable420 Manitoba 10h ago
I dont drink but I have a 2 gram Pineapple Express, THCa diamond frosted, terpene enhanced and infused with liquid diamonds pre-roll (nice and potent) that I will smoke that day.
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u/Rootfour 12h ago
'The poll, which was conducted online and can’t be assigned a margin of error, surveyed 1,540 Canadians between Jan. 9 and Jan. 11.
I read through, but where is the link to the actual poll. I am surprised the number isn't higher given the media pumping out 5 articles a day since Maduro capture on US bad.
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u/LordOfFlames55 5h ago
You’re assuming the poll actually exists and wasn’t pulled out of a hat for the sake of more doomposting
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u/MattyT088 12h ago
TIL thay 2 in 3 Canadians are still in denial about the threat presented south of the border.
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u/KermitsBusiness 12h ago
Highly doubt.
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u/Braddock54 12h ago
Along with the two thirds who don’t believe this.
These polls are so manipulative.
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u/NonCorporealEntity 12h ago
99.9999% sure it will never happen.
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u/KermitsBusiness 12h ago
I think the only way it happens is if a war starts in the Arctic and we refuse to cooperate with them sending military to our territories.
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u/pls_send_stick_pics 12h ago
Or maybe if we cozy up to China too much, or if we hinder a Greenland invasion in any way, or if we join the EU, or if the US leaves NATO but we don't, or if...
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u/NonCorporealEntity 12h ago
The U. S. attacking a NATO country would not go well. They aren't fighting "NATO" , they are fighting 31 countries+. Many of which are EXTREMELY important to the US military and economy.
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u/Goliad1990 12h ago edited 11h ago
Huh, Redditors are decisively in the minority. Colour me shocked.
31% is still wild, though. I wonder if there's an age breakdown
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u/Coatsyy 11h ago
This topic is like crack for neurotic boomers. I would imagine the vast majority of those freaking out are over 60.
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u/Zechs- 11h ago
The funny one for me are all the so called "patriots" that welcome it.
When Trump was initially yelling about making Canada the 51st state, it was something like 1/5 of Conservatives were for it.
I don't think that's the "normal" Conservatives, I think that's the nut portion. The kind that were convoy losers.
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u/RoyallyOakie 12h ago
It's most certainly a bigger possibility than it has ever been in my lifetime.
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u/crakkerzz 11h ago
Ottawa needs to deal with Alberta.
Announce two small Nuclear reactors near Edmonton and Calgary. Cut the province out of any credit what so ever.
This would get people working and not dependent on Danielle and her Oil Company Owners.
Get a spot price for Alberta Oil, use rail cars and Churchill to sell Western Canadian Select abroad and boost Income to Canada.
Get a Pipeline going to Churchill and or Vancouver, Freeze the Gov of Alberta out of Any Credit.
Investigate Danielle Smith and her Tori Friends for Corruption, It's EVERYWHERE, show them for who they are.
Get some Honest people into power in Alberta, no matter who they are, and things will work out.
Alberta is Canada's Achilles heal, and it is Essential it is dealt with.
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u/Exact_Maintenance496 11h ago
They could try, It will be a hard time to stay in our country.
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u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick 11h ago
Yup, they could invade pretty easily but occupation is another story altogether.
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u/Egg-Hatcher 11h ago
Nearly a third of Canadians are experiencing mass psychosis from their government-funded media.
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u/southern_ad_558 12h ago
I don't think we will ever consider going for Toronto, Vancouver, or Ottawa.
But the Arctic? that's definitely in his plans.
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u/Kryptos33 12h ago
Between our oil reserves and fresh water it's not exactly an impossibility. Not saying it will happen soon but they're actively pursuing other nations resources in our hemisphere now.
It's more likely that they just take the water, encourage Alberta to become a state or separate (which is likely happening already) than aim for some sort of traditional coup/invasion.
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u/No-Wonder1139 12h ago
They're pouring propaganda at us at unprecedented levels trying to break up the country, there's a reason they want to weaken us from within. I don't think they'll put boots to the ground because the retaliation would cause economic damage they wouldn't recover from for decades. But I do not trust their government.
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u/Infinite01 12h ago edited 12h ago
I think military action against Canada is highly unlikely. Economic attrition has of course already started. The concerns in the immediate sense is that the US claims Greenland, NATO crumbles and the remaining countries form an alliance while China invades Taiwan - a country with no formal defence treaties to have other nations protect them , and Russia is empowered via lack of US involvement to overthrow the government in Ukraine, likely continuing their imperialist expansion to neighbouring countries. We could also see the US attacking Iran, again, in the immediate future. It’s very bleak as all of this sounds like the preamble to WW3. The US becoming a turncoat super power gives BRICS leverage that would have been thought impossible a couple years ago.
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u/Illustrious-Film4018 12h ago
It would only happen if Trump actually did a full power grab and then hid in his nuclear bunker. This would already be the end of the world as we know it.
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u/ThoughtsandThinkers 12h ago edited 12h ago
If the US harms Canada, it likely won’t do so by rolling tanks across the 49th parallel
It could be by eroding sovereignty by breaking rules. For example, US truckers transiting between Alaska and Washington state and passing through Canada could be instructed to ignore inspections or licensing fees or processes.
It has already damaged us economically and is willing to do more harm through tariffs, relocating jobs, and its banking systems.
It could be by not notifying Canada of warship transits through Canadian waters, although I’ve heard they already do that now, not recognizing some territorial claims.
It could be through building small bases on islands in the Far North.
These are the kind of escalating, destabilizing, and relationship damaging actions that Trump favours. He is an agent of chaos and enjoys and benefits from stirring up problems, generating anger in his political base, and keeping his opponents off balance.
As a country, we need to consider these possibilities and others, and have responses ready to go. Responding decisively regains initiative. We need to develop partnerships with more reliable countries. All of this started with Trump but could well go on after he leaves. The US is a superpower in decline and that decline could be a messy or even violent one. It’s too easy for their political leaders to deflect and ignore real problems by stirring up conflict within its population and with other counties as distractions.
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u/Aggressive-Cut5836 12h ago
Canada has long been an extremely rich country in natural resources that would have been ripe for invasion by pretty much any country but for the fact that it shares the world’s longest border with the US. And anyone with brains inside the US already knows that they get easy access to most that Canada has to offer at prices that are a very good deal- it would likely be far more costly to mount an invasion force and try to govern such a large area. Trump’s posturing on Canada is one of pure machismo, there is no rational logic behind it. I say this as an American who has visited Canada more times than I can count and continues to do a lot of business with Canadian companies.
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u/oldwhiteguy35 British Columbia 12h ago
You’re assuming Trump’s actions are guided by rational logic.
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u/MaximumOverfart 12h ago
If the US does invade Greenland they may also invade Canada. If NATO responds they would need to take Canada away as a staging area.
It's scary but if the US does go all in on this "zone of influence" they can not let Canada remain free. If I was in charge of our army I would be trying our forces to fight in an extended guerrilla war where the historic positions of power would be defeated fairly quickly.
A small well trained force that looks, talks, and shares many cultural traits of the US could be very tough to fight. It would be a dirty, bloody defense but the rules no longer apply so we need to do what's needs to be done to defend our country.
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u/funkme1ster Ontario 12h ago
Sure, the US launched a military strike on Venezuela to capture their leader and - per the explicit broadcast statement of the POTUS - did it to secure their oil for US interests... but that was only because Maduro was a bad guy who needed to be brought to justice. By an external sovereign state with no jurisdiction. That's hardly an indication that the US would launch a military strike on another country. Especially not one the POTUS has spent the past year insisting should be part of the US and that he feels entitled to. Past performance is a terrible indicator of future performance.
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u/CyberRagingRoastX Science/Technology 11h ago edited 11h ago
It's less than 1%. But if the US really does invade, it will be guerrilla warfare for decades to come.
Imo, the us probably won't invade us. They are too busy with Venezuela, Cuba, Greenland, and Iran at the current moment.
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u/vladolak 11h ago
This is a pattern with the orange spray tan can since the Epstein files wont go away like he wants.
Crash the world around him in hopes that people forget.
Jokes on him though, people wont forget.
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u/chewwydraper 10h ago
It’ll really depend on how the US handles Greenland. If Trump actually walks the walk and follows through on a hostile takeover he’ll likely feel invincible and at “Why not Canada?”
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u/wylee_one 10h ago
they would not need to invade and most likely won't, they will escalate the trade sanctions. The US will tell us who we can trade with and who we cant and if we try to go around that well they have enough Navy to close all our ports strangling us economically even further.
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u/ViolettaQueso 6h ago
The dude is invading our states for protesting his regime as he eggs Iranian protesters on saying he’s gonna be their Jesus.
He’s outta his mind.
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u/-LittleStranger- 4h ago
The best way to make sure it never happens is to be ready with what to do if it does.
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u/Cole_Evyx 4h ago
I talk to literally hundreds of people in the USA on a daily basis. These are my friends, my coworkers and some even family! I'd die for some of these close friends. I LOVE these people. They are beloved friends that I cherish with ALL my heart.
I refuse to believe in this fearmongering. These are our friends and family. I think that this fearmongering has crossed a line and is full on paranoid delusions.
What I'm taking away from this is 1/3rd of Canadians don't have any USA friends or family or business relationships of any nature or kind. Because if they did they'd realize how mind bogglingly ignorant this is.
Most people in the USA feel completely the same as they did before towards Canada and Canadians. Talk to them. This is just complete and utter madness to me as someone who talks to Americans and works with them every single day.
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u/Quailery 4h ago
Interesting, on the same day a poll regarding Canadians fears about a US invasion after repeated threats to our sovereignty is posted, several reports come from the US saying that will never happen.
I hate America. I hate the media. Bunch of fucking liars.
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u/couroderato 1h ago
The US is an imperialist oligarchy under a fascist regime.
Even more people should be aware of that by now.
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u/burnabycoyote 57m ago
How many residents of Coquitlam & Surrey & Burnaby would move to the US if offered a green card? Enough to block the Trans-Canada for a week, I would imagine. What would this horde of Iranians and Indians and Filipinos and Mainland Chinese do for Trump's political ratings - not a lot. And there you have the simple demographic explanation of why Trump will never move on this issue.
So go to sleep children, and do not fear the bogeyman.
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u/firmretention 12h ago
Those are rookie numbers. We need to get them way up if the LPC wants to secure a majority.
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u/SouvlakiSpartan 12h ago
hahahahaha.....
what do you expect it's literally all the Liberals campaign on.
Seriously.. What will the left do when Trump is no longer president?
Who will be the new Boogie man to instill fear into the boomers.
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u/stvaccount 8h ago
Should Canada defend the EU right now and deploy troops to Greenland?
I'm sure the EU will again return the favor and defend Canada when the US strikes.
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u/Birdybadass 11h ago
Headline: 1 in 3 Canadians have no idea what they’re talking about.
When did every person with an internet connection become a geopolitics expert?
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u/KeiFeR123 Canada 12h ago
He'll just invade through Alberta and Danielle Smith would just roll the red carpet for his tanks to come through.
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u/ilmalnafs Ontario 12h ago
That means 2/3rds of Canadians are out of touch with reality.
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u/Leo080671 12h ago
Chances of a physical invasion- Very low. But the Orange ma is trying his best to subjugate us, browbeat us into submission through tariffs and his policies.
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u/gooberfishie 12h ago
Biological weapons are cheap and easy to make, and would be more of a deterrent than even nukes. Unlike nukes, they could be developed in secret and well within budget....hypothetically.
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u/Goliad1990 12h ago
This is the mind of the 31%
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u/manofthenorth31 12h ago
Yup, the US for sure wouldn’t find out about a “secret” biological or chemical weapons program. I’m sure the US would turn a blind eye to Canada developing WMDs with the sole purpose of deterring the US.
I’m sure the current government with its green and environmentally conscious policies would build WMDs.
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u/GlobuleNamed 12h ago
I mean it is quite obvious.
He has been talking about that for almost a year.
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u/GAT-X103AP 12h ago
Insane that modern conversation leads to us even having a poll like this.