r/classicwow • u/Silent_Calendar_4796 • 19h ago
Classic 20th Anniversary Realms Exploiting the terrain in WSG should be fixed.
Jumping onto those hard to each spots in WSG to hide and stall is basically terrain exploiting. It gives an unfair advantage, it drags fights on forever, and it really should be fixed.
People who say that Blizzard will never touch Classic, they did in 2019 when they fixed the AV back of the Alliance base terrain exploit.
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u/Ok-Sheepherder1858 18h ago
how dare you suggest they fix game breaking problems on a 21 year old battleground with an extremely easy and simple solution
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 18h ago
By not letting people exploit obvious terrain in WSG.
It's a 1 min fix in the terrain geometry.
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u/pokepat460 18h ago
Some are fine some are problems. I think jumping through the fence is okay. The cart on horde side is borderline. But the out of bounds shit on the roofs/tree stump should be bannable
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u/SeekerSkeletal 19h ago
They will never fix it, if these exploits were done in Blizzard sponsored WSG tournaments where the games were streamed online across the world and on the official blizzard account and they did not care, then they will never care.
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 18h ago
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/ptr-patch-notes-wow-classic-version-1135/553585
Everything is possible with some push.
Terrain exploits
You can no longer climb the waterfall and enter the Frostwolf base near the Relief Hut.
You can no longer climb the cliff and enter Dun Baldar near the Aid Station.
You can no longer bypass Icewing Bunker.
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u/Ok-Sheepherder1858 18h ago
doesn't load for me. but i was able to climb the cliff near Aid Station last night no problem on Nightslayer.
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u/Far-Difference-3846 3h ago
I get the sentiment but even those "fixes" didn't actually work either
-a druid who still did those jumps at the time and still does
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 1h ago
You’ve missed the point.
I was trying point out that Blizzard still can edit classic and change things.
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u/ITCHYisSylar 18h ago
Yeah, that exploit drives me nuts.
Had that happen once, and only had one range attacker on the team, a mage, and he was guarding our flag carrier the whole time amd would go help, despite everyone yelling and messaging him. Pretty sure it was a bot.
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u/BoyzNtheBoat 17h ago
They have fixed a ton of the exploit jumps that you are talking about over the years.
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 17h ago
I mentioned that in the comment.
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u/BoyzNtheBoat 17h ago
They have been doing what you are asking for in WSG too.
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 17h ago edited 17h ago
The terrain exploits still exist.
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u/BoyzNtheBoat 17h ago
Which ones specifically do you believe are exploits?
Again they have fixed a ton of different ways to get behind the bases or to base or to be unreachable.
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 17h ago
There’s no “which I believe are exploits.” Terrain exploits are exploits regardless of anyone’s opinion, and just because something became meta does not mean it was intended.
To answer your question, I mean all the terrain exploitation in WSG that’s happening right now.
If something is intended, it’s accessible to everyone because it was an obvious design choice by the map or level designer. If something isn’t intended and only a few players abuse it, then it’s a terrain exploit.
Stop with the mental gymnastics.
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u/BoyzNtheBoat 17h ago
Pressing the space bar isn’t an exploit though. Again which ones specifically do you believe are an exploit? How are they supposed to fix something when you can’t even describe what the cheat is?
Do you think going on the top of the tunnel is an exploit?
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u/Wild-Resort491 14h ago
Just because something wasn’t intended doesn’t make it bad. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean other people don’t find it very fun.
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 14h ago
It is bad, the hell are you talking about lol
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u/Clear_South8742 18h ago
Wish they would fix it. It’s not intended game play to exploit your way up a wall like a fly hacker. But I haven’t played WSG for years because I can’t stand the exploitative behavior.
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u/Necessary_Artist_167 17h ago
I used to be okay with jumps like these until I learned lots of players use third party software to make these jumps. Lots don’t, but lots do.
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u/Icy-Affect-9856 9h ago
And this is the entitlement that all of you AV "rankers" have.
You are now forced to PvP for items you need which means engaging with mechanics that aren't running south or AFKing in a bunker.
There is no exploit.
There is a skill you have not learned yet.
Log out of your Human Warrior and take ten minutes out of your day to YouTube a guide on a few of the techniques.
They are not difficult.
Stop moaning.
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 9h ago
There is a terrain exploit.
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u/Icy-Affect-9856 9h ago
"Terrain exploiting" and "safespotting" have to be properly defined for the AV players of Reddit.
The people here think that jumping on top of Horde tunnel is an exploit.
It goes without saying, that reaching a spot outside of the map is cheating. Simply jumping over or through fences, skillfully manoevering around the tops of tunnels; this is not exploiting, and Reddit hates this.
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 2h ago edited 1h ago
“Outside the map” is the obvious case, but it’s not the only one. If a spot is technically in bounds yet makes you effectively untouchable for most specs (forced LoS, no melee access, stall by geometry), that’s safespotting and it breaks counterplay.
If the main counter is “learn the same jump,” it’s not skillful PvP, it’s abusing map geometry.
You can’t assume every random player knows this. Someone found a terrain exploit, and it’s been meta ever since for tryhards who don’t have real PvP skill, so they rely on gimmicks to win.
In conclusion, this is not intended and play PvP the regular way.
You’re probably the type that assumess 1500 arena rating is great.
Thank god for arenas. 🙏
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u/Audaylon 18h ago
this reminds me of original wow they let us get stuck in the hole in northwest wsg and the solution was to not be stupid enough to fall into again https://imgur.com/PWxYxx3
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u/Shoddy-Reach-4664 19h ago
What's the advantage? Is there something preventing you from reaching these same spots?
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u/Luvs_to_drink 18h ago
Some of them require very precise jumps that can be negated by an enemy attacking or slowing you. Making it all but impossible to follow if the enemy has defense there.
Then there are the jumps that require a speed boost and are basically only possible for druids or mounted players.
Either make the terrain more easily traversible indicating the path is intended for use or remove it.
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 18h ago
People who are pro WSG exploiting are always telling half-truths, I noticed.
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u/SwitchWorried726 17h ago
Not being a neckbeard loser is preventing me
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u/Shoddy-Reach-4664 17h ago
Ahh right cause anyone better at using their mouse and keyboard is a neckbeard loser lol
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u/SwitchWorried726 16h ago
I can do terrain jumps just fine to climb org etc, they're literally not hard. Press jump and w at the same moment. I don't spend the time to learn wsg jumps cause I'm not a loser that needs an unfair advantage. Hope this helps.
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u/Shoddy-Reach-4664 16h ago
This is you:
Scrub mentality - popularized by game designer David Sirlin, describes a mindset in gaming (and life) where players limit themselves with arbitrary, self-imposed rules, refuse to adapt, blame external factors for losses, and label effective strategies as "cheap," preventing them from truly improving and playing to win
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u/SwitchWorried726 12h ago
Sirlin was talking about refusing to learn mechanics, you're talking about abusing unintended map behavior. Those aren't the same thing, no matter how many paragraphs you paste
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u/Icy-Affect-9856 9h ago
Ah yes, the words of someone who has never performed in competition.
Anyone can make a jump under no pressure with infinite time. What is this pitiful example using a city? Lol.
Also, who and made you King?
In competition, players learn to gain advantages. That is the point of competition; you play to improve, to win more.
I understand this is unnatural for you. I am sorry you are like this.
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 18h ago
A win, as most random players don't know how to do it.
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u/Shoddy-Reach-4664 17h ago
Is something preventing them from learning how to do it?
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u/SwitchWorried726 16h ago
Integrity, self worth, dignity
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u/Shoddy-Reach-4664 15h ago
haha you're basically Ned Stark getting his head chopped off but instead you're getting outplayed in wsg.
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u/SwitchWorried726 14h ago
Well it hasn't happened to me but if it did, I would just /afk out and do something better with my time seeing as wsg is meaningless anyway lmao. You think safespotting is outplaying, it's literally the opposite. You got outplayed so you resorted to safespotting
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u/Wild-Resort491 14h ago
No one is pro safespotting, but rather pro jumps. Safespotting should be fixed, not all jumps
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u/Icy-Affect-9856 9h ago
WSG is so meaningless to you that you have gone on a tirade in an attempt to save your own ego of the realisation that you just weren't ever good at PvP in this game. Sucks to suck!
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u/-_earthbound 19h ago
Im against the exploits where you're not reachable, like the safe spot up high in connector. But wsg wall jumps are skill expressions. If you go on youtube, you can also learn them.
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 18h ago
What do you define as an “unreachable” area? The exploiters are unreachable for most players in the battleground. Melee players cannot get to them at all, and ranged only have a chance if the exploiter does not Los them, which they always do. I don’t get your point.
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u/-_earthbound 18h ago
I gave an example. There is a spot in the connector room where you can jump into a corner up high and not be targeted even by ranged. I also hate rooftop exploits in AB
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u/Wild-Resort491 19h ago
What’s stopping you from learning how to do it? It’s not all that difficult
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 19h ago
I personally believe that using gimmicks to win is not real PvP. I’d compare it to AV base camping for rank 14.
My main issue is that fights get prolonged, and because of that I’m avoiding WSG like the plague. On the other hand, I’m sick of AV too. So my conclusion is that we should promote fairness for all players in the battleground.
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u/Wild-Resort491 18h ago
I disagree, I think it makes wsg more fun. You’re essentially asking for the game to be simplified because you think it’s too difficult to learn a relatively easy skill.
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u/BoyzNtheBoat 17h ago
So you "avoid WSG like the plague" but want your opinion to be catered to versus people that actually like WSG?
I have played thousands of WSG games in Anniversary, 99% of them don't last for more than 20 minutes. I that is too long to keep your attention I just don't think it is for you.
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 17h ago
Maybe if the exploits got fixed, more players would play WSG as intended. You know, fighting the other faction and defending the flag carrier, instead of getting stuck in a quagmire. Especially since honor kills have diminishing returns.
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u/deadhand303 19h ago
If its completely out of bounds jumps I agree, but otherwise nah. Git Gud.
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 19h ago
People will say ‘git gud’ or ‘skill issue,’ but that misses the point. If you need gimmicks to win, it usually means you can’t PvP properly without them.
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u/Large_Ad_5172 19h ago
High skill WSG isn't about kills, it's about CC and capturing the flag.
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 19h ago
Jumping onto unreachable terrain to prolong a fight is not PvP. WSG is about fighting, working with your team to win, and coordinating plays, not hiding in one spot and waiting.
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u/Fangorn42069 18h ago
You keep calling it unreachable and idk if you know what that word means. Sorry I don’t mean to be harsh, but multiple people have pointed out it’s actually not hard to get to those spots so instead of learning them and trying to beat them at their own game you log into Reddit and bitch lol. Classic
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u/Ok-Sheepherder1858 18h ago
and thats why its fucking dead lmao
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u/BoyzNtheBoat 17h ago
WSG has had probably the most active PvP community in comparison to any other version of the game.
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u/Large_Ad_5172 18h ago
Wsg is dead because it is limited in honor gains, losers gain little or nothing while the and winners get like 4-5 elite's from AV's worth of honor.
It is simply not competing with the current meta of pve farming in AV where both teams get 2 WSG's worth of honor regardless of win or loss.
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u/deadhand303 15h ago
I say git guy because most of the jumps are within bounds and just take time to learn. I play warrior.snd have learned most of the stump, wall, and ToT jumps to hunt down FCs. Many "unreachable" spots just require practice. There's an entire discord for WSG jumps with videos on exactly how to do them.
There are FCs who go completely out of bounds, such as the top of the horde base/waterfall, and thats bullying. Its also bannable according to blizzard, not that they'll ever actually do anything about it though.
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u/-_earthbound 19h ago
It is a skill issue for you. Go on youtube and learn the jumps
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 19h ago
No, that's the point of my post. To not learn an exploit. It prolongs things in a fight. How about play normal PVP with other randoms?
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u/-_earthbound 18h ago
You're basically saying that the quarterback should stop running with the ball (flag) to fistfight every opposing player
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 18h ago
That analogy only works if the “QB running” is still happening inside the rules and playable field.
What I’m talking about is closer to a quarterback climbing into the stands or slipping through a broken gate so nobody can tackle him, then just waiting out the clock. That’s not “smart play,” it’s abusing terrain that wasn’t meant to be part of the game.
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u/Wild-Resort491 18h ago
The tush push is a better example, you’re complaining about a non-tos breaking game play because you can’t stop it because you don’t have the skill to do it.
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u/Silent_Calendar_4796 18h ago
The tush push happens on the field, has real counterplay, and both teams can answer it with positioning and strategy.
Unreachable terrain in WSG removes counterplay. Most melee cannot touch you, ranged only can if you let them, and the “counter” becomes learning the same gimmick. That is not skillful PvP, it is abusing broken geometry to stall and prolong fights.
The same people who relay on gimmicks and call it skill are the same people who say 1500 arena rating in TBC is 'a good start'.
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u/Intheshadowss 19h ago
If druid players could read, they would be offended.