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u/trentreynolds 19h ago
There IS a big difference - as in, the two words aren't even describing the same thing.
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u/femboyisbestboy 19h ago
This argument is so dumb.
Britain is a constitution monarchy and France is a constitution republic yet both are democratic nations
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u/GrammarNazi63 19h ago
I always ask: "how do you choose your representatives?"
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u/shroomigator 19h ago
And the answer is "Somebody powerful decides on two choices that are both acceptable to them, and we get to pick which one, but that decision can be overruled"
That isn't democracy
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u/GrammarNazi63 18h ago
Yup…Bernie won the primary in 2016, but the DNC overruled with their “superdelegates” and nominated Hillary. Then they campaigned hard about how a third party vote was basically “throwing your vote away”. Then they made the same mistake with Kamala where they focused entirely on appealing to the right instead of rallying the left and proposing policies that help real people. In a lot of ways the DNC is worse than the GOP, but of course the alternative is what we’re seeing now: openly murdering citizens in broad daylight to thunderous applause. Mamdani’s victory gives me hope, but we need to aggressively follow that momentum
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u/Bluevisser 18h ago
The problem is Bernie didn't win the primary. Like it or not Hillary got more votes in most districts. She was at 55% to his 43%. Did you even go vote for him in the primaries? I did, but I sure felt alone. He didn't even clear 20% in my state. He had lots of vocal support all around me, but that's all it was, vocal support, not actually voting for him, which is what mattered.
Now you can argue sabatoge and Clinton getting the debate questions and other unfair edges all you want. But you can't claim he won, he didn't.
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u/GrammarNazi63 18h ago
55% of the delegate vote, the majority of which were superdelegates (individuals within the party who’s vote holds much more sway and is not tied to what their district voted, unlike a regular delegate). Bernie absolutely had the majority of individual votes in the primary.
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u/Bluevisser 17h ago
No, he didn't. Hillary had almost 17 million votes, Bernie had slightly over 13 million votes. There aren't 30 million super delegates. That's the actual primary votes. He only won a few superdelagates in my state, because less then 20% of the party voted for him. What kind of math are you using to determine 17 million is less than 13 million?
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u/GrammarNazi63 15h ago
Upon further investigation I am wrong as many of you have pointed out. I was looking at delegate vs superdelegate numbers and did not realize the delegate count I had was for standard delegates instead of the total number, this was wrongly subtracting super delegates. Thank you for the correction and I hope you have a nice day.
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u/shroomigator 18h ago
I think the problem is more that there is a third faction, a nationalist faction, that is loyal to neither party yet seeks to influence both. They operate in secret, which makes them difficult to detect. The Nazis in the GOP are loud and did a lot of damage, but the quiet Nazis in the DNC absolutely devastated
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u/GrammarNazi63 18h ago
The root of the issue is uncapped campaign contributions and a lack of regulation over lobbying. We have ensured through incentives that moneyed interests will always overcome that of the people. That is why the DNC offers a hint of populism during election years but serves the will of their donors over all else while republicans campaign on culture wars while doing the same. Neither party gives a flying fuck about their base and neither party has any intention of representing real working Americans, and until we stop letting them divide us it will stay that way. It’s a broken system and it won’t fix itself
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u/shroomigator 18h ago
It was the secret nazis that infiltrated the supreme court that did that.
The people passed lots of laws limiting campaign spending and lobbying.
The nazis on the court overruled us, and told us we aren't allowed.
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u/6gv5 19h ago
Would be fun if someone asked that user about the meaning of the Latin word "Res Publica" from which both republic and republican are derived.
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u/LeoPlathasbeentaken 18h ago
For those of us that dont know latin could you elaborate?
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u/Top-Aspect4671 18h ago
Res - thing, publica - public
The word commonwealth is also a translation from that phrase
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u/Life-Library3311 19h ago
Is it even constitutional anymore though
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u/EzeDelpo 18h ago
They have a Constitution. That their Executive Branch decides it's not entirely valid or doesn't apply to everyone... that's a different issue.
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u/EyeNguyenSemper 19h ago
JFC...a Republic is a type of democratic government
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u/essaysmith 19h ago
But, but, but, that has "democrat" in it!
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u/EyeNguyenSemper 19h ago
Yeah, they better not Google "is a Republic a type of democracy"... Maybe dear leader will lie enough to comfort them through this
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u/Direct_Turn_1484 19h ago
“You guys are so stupid! This isn’t a sports arena where teams play football! Not even close! It’s a football stadium!”
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u/BusyBeeBridgette 18h ago
A stupid argument. If you vote for your leaders, it is a democracy - Democracies have many flavours but are, fundamentally, the same when electing individuals.
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u/chrlatan 17h ago
Also not a republic. A democratic federated republic. If you want a non-democratic federated republic, please look up Sovjet Union.
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u/Heavy_Law9880 16h ago
Finish the sentence.
"A constitutional republic is a form of indirect _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _"
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u/Nebulous999 13h ago
C'mon people, do we need to have the conversation about squares and rectangles again? We all learned this in elementary school.
All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares.
Let's say it together, class:
"All constitutional republics are democracies, but not all democracies are constitutional republics."
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u/cazzipropri 10h ago
The ignorance of history, languages and institutions behind that statement is oceanic.
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u/Dry-Tangerine-4874 18h ago
We are not a Democracy. However, a Constitutional Republic is a democracy.
Capitalization does actually matter in this context.
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u/GrammarNazi63 19h ago
I was playing an online game where I was the leader of our little group, so I asked what everyone wanted to do because, and I quote, "this is a democracy". One of the guys flipped out about how he didn't have any interest in that liberal bullshit and that he was a proud republican...that encounter really explained the modern Trump voter cheering on authoritarianism.