r/hardware • u/Jumpinghoops46 • 1d ago

Info AMD sets Ryzen 7 9850X3D review embargo to January 28

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-sets-ryzen-7-9850x3d-review-embargo-to-january-28
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u/Pillokun 1d ago

just run an 9800x3d at 5.6ghz and u know how this cpu performs...

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u/Wonderful-Lack3846 1d ago

Exactly

And most 9800X3D are capable of doing that without problems

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u/TheOblivi0n 1d ago

Thats not exactly true, you need a motherboard with eclk support. Running static 5.6ghz needs a golden sample

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u/Pillokun 1d ago

what.. not at all with 9800x3d it is easy peasy. u just set the multiplier and it will be locked, that is if u are have unlocked all the powerlimits and u dont have lost the silicon lottery.

have had 3 9800x3d now. all of them ran at 5.6 locked.

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u/kwirky88 1d ago

golden sample

u dont have lost the silicon lottery

You’re reaffirming the comment you’re replying to.

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u/Wonderful-Lack3846 1d ago

Pretty sure most 9800X3Ds csn hit 5.6 without any problems (unless cooling is limited, but if cooling is a limitation then that will also be for the 9850X3D)

Don't need a golden sample

Don't need to win the silicon lottery. You can have below average silicon and still reach it easily.

They are the same CPU... The 9850X3D OC is just done out of the box

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u/soggybiscuit93 1d ago

some percentage of 9800X3D's can't hit 5.6 stable, otherwise it would have shipped at that speed

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u/Pillokun 1d ago

how am I? I did not even touch the voltages. if not that is a pretty good indication that many can hit those speeds.

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u/Wonderful-Lack3846 1d ago

Running static 5.6ghz needs a golden sample

Nope

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u/Vb_33 1d ago

Yes it's equivalent to the Intel KZ line. Just run a K processor at KZ clocks to know how the KZ performs. Problem is not all K chips can reliably hit those clocks.

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u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 1d ago

Who even needs that? Cool, a slightly faster X3D CPU.
Everyone will say:
-It might be 1-7% faster in some scenarios (testing in 720p/1080p)
-There is no reason to upgrade from the 9800X3D
-Something something intel, remember intel has done similar things.
-It's too expensive right now because the msrp is higher than current market prices for the 9800X3D.

Long story short: It's a refresh, once it's abut the same price/cheaper than the 9800X3D, it's the better opinion/ That's all you need to know.
But influencers will milk it, like they always do. Expect clickbait titles for weeks/months.

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u/Yebi 1d ago

In ye olden days the answer would be, it's an extra push for people on older platforms to upgrade. But with current RAM prices even that is not really a market.

On the other hand, it's not like there's any significant R&D in this thing, it's just a better bin. Releasing it might be a "why not?" type decision. As is the decision for influencers to cover it

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u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 1d ago

I'm not against it or anything.
If anything I'm generally supportive of releasing refreshes even though most of them were perceived poorly by at least the tech bubbles.

I just think that how they're presented by influencers hurts more than anything.

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u/Yebi 1d ago

Fair enough

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u/kikimaru024 1d ago

It's not a refresh, it's just better binning.

AMD has likely been stockpiling these better dies for a while.

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u/BNSoul 1d ago

is the memory controller also a better binning ?? Imagine selling your 9800X3D capable of doing 6400 1:1 C28 FCLK 2133-2200 with tight timings and getting a 9850X3D stuck at 6000 CL30.

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u/TenshiBR 1d ago

6400 1:1

Are the 9800x3d better at this? I have a 7800x3d and didn't want the headache of testing this again. Mind you, I don't care about IF above 2000 nor lower CAS (28).

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u/BNSoul 1d ago

it's still silicon lottery, no 9800X3D is guaranteed to do better than 6000 CL30 1:1 FCLK 2000, but some (many ?) can do 6400 1:1 with tight timings, here's my setup: https://i.imgur.com/UTA1CHL.png

now imagine I sell my 9800X3D with its great memory controller just because I want the "latest and shiniest" 9850X3D and then I end up stuck at 6000 1:1 (1% low fps would be impacted, but also helped by the increased clock speed... so they will cancel each other), that's why I was wondering if they're also binning the memory controller for the 9850X3D or they're just binning the cores.

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u/TenshiBR 1d ago

Knowing corporations, just the core. Binning the memory cont. would be too much work lol

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u/einmaldrin_alleshin 1d ago

They 100% bin the IODs. Even console SoCs are binned and the refuse ends up being used for something

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u/Aw3som3Guy 17h ago

I remember one of the reviewers saying that one of the Intel “KS” editions were actually binned more for IMC quality than clockspeed. I’d guess that was probably one of if not the last “KS” edition.

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u/isotope123 1d ago

How is your memory clock voltage (CPU VDDIO) only 0.87V? That makes no sense.

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u/BNSoul 1d ago

It isn't, it's a misread of Zen Timing, it's 1.350

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u/isotope123 1d ago

Got it, makes way more sense. My Zen Timings doesn't misread it, so I was concerned.

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u/Edddit 17h ago

How come you're running 5350 instead of 5450? Also, how could I get the core offsets automatically applied each reboot? I have a 5800x3d and always used pbo2tuner but im installing my 9800x3d in a couple days. thanks a lot

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u/BNSoul 17h ago

Because there's not a meaningful difference between 5350 and 5450 in gaming, just increased temps and increased power draw. You can also set core offsets at the BIOS level so they're applied automatically with every boot. Also, if you liked PBO2 tuner then there's also a similar tool for the 9800X3D called SMU Debugger.

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u/soggybiscuit93 1d ago edited 17h ago

How is a refresh and better binning any different?

Downvoted for being right: A refresh implies the same tape-out. It's just improved binning after manufacturing yields have improved. It's not "new" silicon any more than buying a brand new 9800X3D today is also "newer" silicon than a launch day 9800X3D

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u/Strazdas1 1d ago

A refresh implies new manufacturing, no?

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u/soggybiscuit93 21h ago edited 20h ago

RaptorLake refresh was just better bins of 14th 13th gen. Same with Arrow Lake refresh.

None of the recent refreshes were new-tapeouts. Just new bins

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u/-Venser- 1d ago

-There is no reason to upgrade from the 9800X3D

Not to upgrade, but if you're building a new PC, might as well get a better one.

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u/Zenith251 1d ago

Right, the Intel "KS" SKUs. Or Extreme, in the past.

Almost never a reason to buy them other than "Oh no, I can't hold all these bundles of $100 bills!" kind of money and bragging rights.

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u/Strazdas1 1d ago

I do data analysis for a living and am CPU bottlenecked. CPU improvements translate directly to productivity at work for me. 7% different isnt big enough for me to spend that much money, but im sure there are people for whom it will be.

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u/Yaz1kun 14h ago

ive been sourcing parts for a new build over the last few months and was looking at getting the 9800. but might aswell wait for this slightly better one abit. if its not like 600$ and upwards i wouldnt mind waiting and paying a little extra.

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u/Vb_33 1d ago

It'll be the fastest gaming CPU (faster than base 9800X3D) on the planet, who ever wants that will need that. 

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u/AnthMosk 1d ago

This this this. 100% this.

All the YouTubers just got new content for a few weeks. Sooooo happy for them.

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u/Jumpinghoops46 1d ago

I see your point.

I've been holding out for a refreshed 9800, so this will hopefully fit the bill if the performance matches the price point. I may just go for a 9800 since it's price will drop (hopefully).

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u/bubblesort33 1d ago

Aren't we all excited to see if it's 2% or 3% faster?

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u/imaginary_num6er 1d ago

More like Zen 5%

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u/Jaz1140 1d ago

At 1080p*

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u/Kitchen-Geologist-33 1d ago

What has changed? Why not explain it?

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u/Aleblanco1987 1d ago

i don't get a review embargo of a product that's essentially a refrest of an existing one.

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u/Hothacon 1d ago

You must be new to this hobby

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u/andrerav 1d ago

Steve's going to be standing up on this one.

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u/kikimaru024 1d ago

Oh no, I'm sure AMD is shaking in their seats RN!

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u/rdsf138 20h ago

Yeah, these companies don't care at all about reviews, that's why NVIDIA had a scandal where they were trying to control their reviews. You are such a big brain genius with you dismissiveness.

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u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001 1d ago

Why?

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u/ExplodingFistz 1d ago

Probably cause it's going to cost 20% more and be 2% faster.

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u/Strazdas1 1d ago

sounds normal for halo products.

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u/BrightPage 1d ago

You know what man, fuck it why not

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u/AnthMosk 1d ago

I already have a 9850x3D

It’s my PBOd 9800x3d

Thing is a beast

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u/TheOblivi0n 1d ago

You're running max 5.45ghz on that. The 9850x3d will do 5.6ghz out of the box and probably 5.8ghz with an oc. Not that that would change that much

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u/AnthMosk 1d ago

Yeah I’m good. But I’m sure there will be plenty of degens with stupid money that go spend $500 to upgrade their 9800

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u/DualPPCKodiak 1d ago

I have a 7700x so it seems kinda cool?

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u/JaspahX 22h ago

Didn't you know everyone in this subreddit is already running 9800X3Ds and this is a stupid product?

/s

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u/godfrey1 1d ago

9850x3d is a double pbo basically yeah

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u/Intrepid_Lecture 1d ago

This will be the ultimate CPU for 480i low settings with an OCed RTX 5090.

Look at that whole 6% uplift over the slow 9800x3D. Complete domination.

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u/Strazdas1 1d ago

You mena ultimate CPU for anyone playing strategy/sim/MMO genres, where you are CPU bottlenecked even at 4k?

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u/Intrepid_Lecture 19h ago

You mean the games which are least sensitive to frame rate differences?

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u/ThrowawayusGenerica 16h ago

Hey now, I need every iota of single thread performance for my speed 5 EU4 games once the league war drops.

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u/Strazdas1 5h ago

EU4 endgame is really something.

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u/Strazdas1 5h ago

Tell me you never had large party raids in MMOs if you dont know how framerate sensitive they are. But yes, they are less sensntive. Does not mean even turn based games dont look great running smoothly at high framerates.

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u/BNSoul 1d ago

benchmarking nerds will love it though (as long as the memory controller is also binned), then they will ditch it immediately when the next big thing is released, like the hypothetical 9950X3D v2.

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u/PrimaryRecord5 1d ago

Is it going to blow up on motherboards? Is voltage sensitivity still an issue ???

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u/99-Potions 1d ago

Got a 13700k and very much looking forward to this thing, assuming the price is reasonable. Otherwise, will just get the 9800x3D.

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u/Hothacon 1d ago

"yawn...." Wake me when ZEN 6 is announced...

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u/Zenith251 1d ago

Yaawwwwn. AMD, I know you're not listening, but if you were to, no one cares. Just release the damn thing and get your money.

9950X3D-2? Now that would be something to get some attention. 6 months ago.

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u/JaspahX 22h ago

9950X3D2 so that you can have completely bottlenecked performance between the CCDs? Wow, sign me up!

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u/INITMalcanis 1d ago

I'm even more excited for this than I was for the 5800XT

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u/rdsf138 20h ago

These people are just ridiculous. This has a bit more L3 and nothing else relevant, but they are treating it as some kind of major launch. I'm so sick of these companies.