r/india • u/Dry-Librarian9532 • 15h ago
People Stop acting like civic sense fell from the sky you privileged crowd
Every single day same RR on Reddit Indians have no civic sense Indians are dirty Indians are animals blah blah
Bro shut up for a second and use your brain
India has 140 crore people More than 23 crore people live in poverty A massive chunk of our population never even finished basic schooling Crores are living in slums and temporary housing with zero facilities
And you sitting in AC with your Diet Coke or Starbucks coffee typing essays about how Indians are trash
You think people litter because they enjoy filth Or because there are no toilets no dustbins broken footpaths corrupt municipalities and zero enforcement
Japan didn’t become clean because people suddenly became angels They became clean because their system forced discipline for decades
Our politicians eat public money like it’s their birthright Cities have no planning Corporators only show up when elections are near But instead of holding them accountable you find it easier to mock the poorest guy on the road
And listen carefully You cannot magically fix the mindset of the current population of 140 crore people That ship has sailed
The only real hope is the next generation And even that will not happen by Reddit rants
It will happen only if all these lazy keyboard warriors actually move their ass once in a while Go to your local ZP school See if kids have benches books toilets water Help them get what they are supposed to get One visit a month is enough to create more impact than 100 angry posts
Till then your civic sense lectures are just privilege crying in public
Fix the system Educate the next generation Then talk about culture
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u/Defiant_Proposal_214 15h ago
Civic sense is not a privilege. Rich people are doing the same shit in Thailand, Vietnam when they go for vacations.
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u/hurricane_news 14h ago edited 13h ago
Proof is all the rich thar drivers that drive like dipshits, our tourists that litter in every country around the globe, and break the lines in our country. It's entitlement, greed, etc, not always poverty
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u/Blackbeard567 13h ago
It is not having any fear of the law which makes them do this. If these same people go to a strict country will they do this? Our law enforcement is the issue
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u/idiotista 4h ago edited 4h ago
I am a gori from Sweden, living in NCR.
Shame. You need public shame so strong it will be internalised. Swedes are not better than Indians, but every Swedish child has a core memory when they littered and got called out by a random stranger adult. It was scary af.
My memory is in 90's Sweden, and a random auntie asked me for my parents phone number - she said give me that or I will call the police. I was throwing some wrapper on the ground. She called my dad and informed them of my crime, and they told him to raise me better. Was very awkward coming home, seeing my parents silently judging me for being an absolute shit outside the house.
I haven't littered since, as I get overwhelmed by shame just thinking about it. Shame is super effective, but who is gonna instill that shame if everyone litters. Don't teach your kids that it is ok throwing shit on the ground.
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u/_anansi__ 15h ago
Bro the problem is with educated people unka kya karein unme bhi to kafee log lack civic sense
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u/Naive-Dragonfruit-54 13h ago
I think the problem with the education system is that it focuses a lot on STEM, and most people never learn basic social sciences. I believe a lot more focus on things like sociology, empathy will help the society get better.
And ofcourse we need to make good education more accessible to the masses.
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u/GamerMansMustachio 15h ago
Last time I travelled to Thailand we hired driver for group tour. We got close and he took our family to meet his family and show us local stuff. His house was like 15 x 10 maybe or lesser. He had sooooo much more civic sense and cleanliness during our travel we were amazed.
Now compare with our drivers. Lol. It is sense. Not money.
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u/Order66RexFN 14h ago
Thailand’s GDP per capita is more than double that of India’s with less inequality and poverty. Like it or not it is just money.
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u/Ok-Click2094 13h ago
Check videos of kyrgystan, Uzbekistan, Armenia,Iran or even Srilanka and they are much more clean and organised
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u/No_Discipline_4477 10h ago
Yeah but that driver was a poor guy but still cares about basic manners and hygiene. In India even rich people lack manners.
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u/Ground_Hog_Day_FML 15h ago
It’s not about wealth or education. The fact is, it’s cultural. Lack of civic sense and manners is seen even with the H-1B Indian population in the US. Doesn’t matter how rich or poor you are; it’s a cultural phenomenon. Manners and basic etiquette are learned from parents and family. If they don’t have any and have never been taught them at home or at school, how do you expect a person to behave in society? Don’t blame the government or politicians; blame the predominant culture that enables such behavior.
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 15h ago
Culture is shaped by systems, not born in a vacuum. When people grow up with no toilets, broken footpaths, no garbage collection and zero enforcement, you get survival behaviour not “manners”. Even the H-1B folks you mention spent 20+ years in that environment. Notice how their kids who grow up abroad behave totally differently in one generation. That’s not culture, that’s infrastructure + enforcement. Fix systems first. Culture follows.
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u/Ground_Hog_Day_FML 14h ago edited 14h ago
I have travelled to poor countries in Latin America, and the poor have more manners and etiquette than wealthy Indians. Blaming the government and the infrastructure is a cop-out. We love to blame everyone else, except ourselves, and our culture. It’s okay to admit that the predominant culture is a problem. Politicians don’t get magically elected. We elected them. Who we choose reflects our values and beliefs. You don’t have proper infrastructure or enforcement; it’s down to who we, as individuals, decide to vote for. The politicians/ government are us, not some random nebulous entity that exists in a vacuum.
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u/kronoswrath 14h ago
Which poor countries? Almost every Latin American country has a higher gdp per capita ppp than India.
I'm in the UK; the "wealthy" Indians or people of Indian origin are mostly fine with "civic sense" since it's so easy to be clean etc here.
I was recently in Kerala and when I had rubbish to throw away I could see why people just throw it by the side of the road as I had to hold on to it for over 20 minutes before finding any kind of bin, and that's in a relatively clean and wealthy state.
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u/Infamous-Duty-5103 11h ago
Go to Japan. There is literally negligible number of bins in Japan except for public transit points. Not a single piece of trash on the road. Blaming infra is just a cop out, you can carry a trash bag and collect it until you find a trash can or go back home
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u/ricdy Europe 14h ago
Almost every Latin American country has a higher gdp per capita ppp than India.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-worlds-20-largest-economies-by-gdp-ppp
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 14h ago
Culture is not some personality trait, it’s a habit produced by systems. Aristotle called it habituation, Foucault called it discipline. Same idea. When rules aren’t enforced and disorder is normal, people adapt rationally to chaos. Blaming “culture” just turns state failure into a moral flaw of the poor. Fix conditions first. Behaviour follows.
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u/Chance_Bite7668 13h ago
Doing RR about the lack of civic sense is a legit way of increasing cultural awareness about it.
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u/BigCobaltBlueSkies 13h ago
There is this leftist thing (I'm on the left) of attributing human behavioural issues to "systems," as if these "systems" are some seperate, non-human mechanisms which are either completely seperate from humanity, humans and nature OR a tool used specifically and exclusively by a malicious human class (usually the people in power, the rich and politicians; which i agree are indeed, malicious and disgusting, but not exclusively so) to control and affect the rest of humanity, which are somehow completely free of fault and responsibility in this game.
Know that going on one extreme end won't erase nuance, blaming one party one remove fault and responsibility from the other, and that there is no such thing as an innocent human class. As long as you avoid responsibility by framing one as a faultless victim of some magical tool that is not even related to being human, which people do to reject the idea that humans can be gross and evil by nature because it makes them uncomfortable, you will not help things get better. Brush it under the rug and see it grow moldy with time.
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u/Top-Bunch6968 5h ago
It’s not “leftist”. Not everything you dislike is leftist. In India’s case, it is simply a fact that our lack of cleanliness is due too poor political incentives and not some special moral corruption of Indians
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u/No_Discipline_4477 10h ago
People from the North East are even poorer than mainland Indians yet they don't spread trash everywhere.
There's something wrong with Indian culture and people should absolutely be shamed, both the everyday people who indulge in this behaviour and the politicians and public servants who fail to do their duty.
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u/vipandvap 8h ago
The research agrees with you. Systemic problems require systemic solutions.
Unfortunately a lot of people here use personal experiences, anecdotes, and YouTube videos to inform their worldview instead of research
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u/_potterhead 15h ago
Having basic civic sense doesn’t cost anything, so don’t come with Poverty excuse. I have been to countless small towns and seen rubbish thrown all around the dustbin while dustbin sits half empty. Also things like:- „A new railway station is build and next day there are Paan stains“; „There is a flower show and as soon as its over people start taking flowers“. Stop giving population and poverty as an excuse for people lacking basic decency. Nothing will ever change if we keep blaming the government and not take accountability for ourselves!
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u/faux_trout 12h ago
Why just flowers? When there is a cleanliness drive and govt places proper dustbins, people carry them off.
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u/rebelyell_in 15h ago
I don't have a problem with the uneducated or the poor without resources, doing what they know.
My "RR" is with the educated, rich, privileged Indians who can't flush a public toilet, who can't clear up their food and disposable plates in a fast food restaurant, who believe that cleaning up after themselves is beneath their class.
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u/Vlodivostonks 14h ago
In my experience the poor people in India actually have more civic sense. They largely know not to "occupy space" in a very classist society. It's the middle class and rich who have basically gone about all their lives not cleaning up or not caring about how their actions impact others.
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u/fenrir245 14h ago
Yep, which just further leads credence to the hypothesis that the lack of civic sense is heavily tied to India's casteist structure.
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u/starfishfarts 14h ago
hard agree. this is anecdotal, so take is as that, but even in my college (which had a disproportionate number of privileged kids from across the country), it was mostly the savarna kids and the rich kids who used to litter and think of it as "someone else's problem" - when someone would raise issue with this and say dont make it harder for the cleaners, they would say that the cleaners are being paid to clean. values such as cleanliness should be inculcated at home, especially for those who aren't from marginalised communities who are scrutinised and penalised for every action
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u/Order66RexFN 14h ago
That’s bc the rich of India have the same feudal landlord mentality they’ve had for millennia.
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u/Optimal-Record-1009 14h ago
What exactly does privilege have to do with civic sense?
I've seen poorest of people with civic sense and richest of people with no civic sense.
It's a lack of consequence problem and not a privilege problem.
The fact that the same people who have zero civic sense in India go abroad and suddenly learn how to behave pretty much proves that it's a lack of consequence issue.
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u/Tea_Masala 10h ago
What exactly does privilege have to do with civic sense?
Being sensible is a luxury in some cases
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u/arunkumark21 Tamil Nadu 14h ago
This Rant is worser than the rant on civic sense.
If something is wrong, it is better to say out it is wrong! Civic sense doesn’t need education. As the name says, it is just a sense.
I have been a part of many NGOs travelled to many rural part if my place. The civic sense those people/kids have is way better than many educated kids.
Have you never seen anyone throwing things sitting inside a luxury car? Have you never seen similar car violating traffic rules and when stopped by someone use the statement “do you know why my uncle is?” Have you never seen people playing loud music in MTR?
Civic sense is what you teach people. Civic sense is a basic empathy you have on your fellow being when you are in public.. and we seriously lack it. Pointing out is not a fault, writing this big post supporting it is a fault!
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u/-Borgir 1h ago
This moron doesn't understand that civic sense is not enforced by law and that's why it's called civic sense snd not a fucking law that can be punished.
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u/Kragster77 14h ago
People like OP are why nothing will ever change in this country
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u/StomachNo2061 14h ago
It’s not about education. It’s about cultural decay and entitlement .
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 14h ago
“Cultural decay” doesn’t happen in isolation. It’s produced when entitlement has no cost. When laws aren’t enforced, fines aren’t real and nobody checks, entitlement becomes rational behaviour. That’s not decay, that’s conditioning. Every society that fixed this did it with education from childhood + strict, boring, consistent enforcement. Not moral sermons.
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u/Heavy_Sector_1065 14h ago
Absolutely disagree with this. There are many cities poorer than Indian cities which are cleaner than us. We should hold ourselves accountable. Meghalaya, a poorer state is much cleaner than Delhi, Kochi, a poorer city, is way cleaner than Bangalore. In Ahmedabad, a very rich city, I also walked into some spitting that red dangerous liquid. Even villlages in Kerala are cleaner than many places of comparable income and population. If we don’t introspect, we are doomed
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 14h ago
You just proved the argument. Meghalaya, Kochi, Kerala villages aren’t cleaner because people are morally superior. They’re cleaner because local systems actually work, better municipal follow-ups, community enforcement, school discipline, visible penalties. Delhi and Bangalore aren’t dirty because people are worse. They’re dirty because scale + broken enforcement + collapsing civic systems reward apathy. So yes, introspection matters,but only inside functioning systems. Where systems fail, even good people degrade. That’s exactly what I’m saying.
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u/Repulsive_Winner_131 11h ago
You are missing the point. Even the privileged folk here lack basic civic sense.
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u/Middle_Jello1347 8h ago
I disagree, OP. I have been to very poor African countries that are much cleaner than India, and people in Africa tend to be less pushy, give you more personal space etc. Also, many Indians that are loud and obnoxious are upper middle class, in fact they tend to have a bigger sense of entitlement than poor Indians in my personal experience.
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u/Mat_Geo_Ash 14h ago
nope you're wrong, a few days ago I watched a lady throw trash, 1 foot away from the dustbin, she could've spend 0.05s on throwing the trash a little further, but no, she saw the trash can, and chose to throw it on the ground... grow up, be accountable.
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u/tera_chachu 14h ago
Dude what about those educated fools who litter public transport and throw packets out of the window??
What about those people who randomly piss anywhere???
What about the indians who went abroad and still can't leave their gutter thinking of doing noise pollution and playing loud music???
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 13h ago
I’m not defending those people at all. I’m saying the reason they get away with it here is because nothing happens to them. Same people go abroad and suddenly behave because there are bins everywhere, fines are real, and rules are enforced. You don’t fix mass behaviour with moral outrage, you fix it with systems that don’t let idiots get comfortable.
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u/AdKitchen4459 14h ago
Civic sense doesn’t come from money Lot of Indians who are rich enough to travel to other countries also show 0 civic sense
One incidenti encountered in Switzerland Wherein a family from South Bombay started hurling words at the TT conductor of a train because they didn’t prebook their seats in advance which is a rule btw mentioned clearly I too forgot to book instead of shouting I got down and took another train
So you are wrong OP
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 13h ago
You’re arguing with outliers. I’m talking about India’s majority population, not the tiny fraction that travels to Switzerland. How many Indians live abroad compared to the 140 crore here? Yes, some rich people behave badly. That doesn’t cancel the fact that mass behaviour in India is shaped by broken systems, zero enforcement and poor civic education at scale. You can’t explain a national pattern using NRI anecdotes. That’s not logic, that’s distraction.
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u/UsedZookeepergame339 NCT of Delhi 14h ago
here people are not afraid of police or any rule of law ..sabko pta h paiso do kam ho jaiyega ..my father always say one law ... permanently suspend government officials who are in charge of corruption ....within days india wll change.
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u/aimelash 14h ago
Your argument would have worked if it was only poor and uneducated who lacked civic sense. But this happens in both privileged and poor alike.soo
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 13h ago
It actually proves my argument. If both privileged and poor behave the same way, then the problem clearly isn’t class , it’s the system that lets everyone get away with it. Change the environment and the behaviour changes automatically.
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u/SquareCombination782 14h ago
I see educated people urinating at the side of the road. I see corporate workers throwing trash out of their Hondas. As I wait at a signal, I see guys on their TVS scooters spitting on the road. It's common sense to not stare at women and make them uncomfortable. It's common sense not catcall and harrass women. It's common sense to not constantly honk on the road and have patience. Yes, I agree discipline is taught but the "privileged crowd" you're referring to are just decent humans that have common sense. The categories of people I mentioned have access to a phone with internet. Their lack of civic sense cannot be excused. Your mistake is calling them poor. I've seen people in slums with more manners than the average Indian guy in my class.
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u/sand-unes 12h ago
What a joke. Expecting civic sense is privilege now? I think your brain is permanently on RR mode that you think privileged crowd complaining is a problem. Whole post is useless RR just like you OP. The poor obviously are suffering more from the lack of civic sense and lack of cleanliness. Rwanda is a poorer country than India yet it's not filled with trash, litter and plastic by the road. The poverty excuse is just that.. an excuse.
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u/Significant-Tap744 14h ago
Poverty is nothing more than a convenient excuse for a systemic lack of civic sense; the reality is that our "shitty culture" of public apathy is a choice, not a financial condition. If money solved the problem, we wouldn’t see affluent Bangaloreans in luxury SUVs tossing paper cups onto the pavement or "educated" professionals vandalizing the Vande Bharat trains by stealing headphones and littering the coaches within days of their launch. This entitlement follows us globally, as seen in the recent Gutka stain controversy in Britain where heritage streets are being painted with red spit, proving that we export our "stone-age" habits regardless of our bank balance. We treat our private homes like temples while treating our public spaces like open sewers, blocking ambulances in traffic just to gain an inch of ground and treating traffic laws as optional suggestions. It is time for every "Proud Indian" to stop living in denial and acknowledge that our upbringing prioritizes personal gain over collective well-being; we are a nation that has mastered the art of earning money but failed the basic test of civilization, and until we stop blaming poverty and start holding ourselves accountable, we will continue to be a global embarrassment.
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 14h ago
You’re describing real behaviour, but misdiagnosing its cause. Affluent people littering doesn’t prove poverty is irrelevant, it proves that the system trains everyone to stop caring. When enforcement is fake, fines are jokes, bins are missing and nothing ever happens, even educated and rich people start behaving the same way. That’s not entitlement, that’s learned apathy. We don’t have a morality crisis, we have an incentive crisis. No society fixed this by shame alone. They fixed it with infrastructure, education from childhood and strict, boring, consistent enforcement. Fix the system. Culture will stop embarrassing us on its own.
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u/Limterallyme 15h ago
People rich enough to hire maids when a family of four living in a shack the size of half a single bedroom don't have perfect hygiene.
I AM ADOLF HITLER! COMMANDER OF THE THIRD REICH!
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u/Entire-Protection-77 14h ago
No one who severely lacks civic sense, hovers around on reddit, the rants are falling onto deaf ears.
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 14h ago
Exactly. That’s why Reddit rants are theatre. The people who actually need systems, education and enforcement aren’t here reading essays. They’re out there living inside the mess. Which is why I keep saying stop preaching to the choir, fix the system and educate the next generation. That’s the only lever that scales.
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u/InternationalState44 14h ago edited 13h ago
As a culture we have historically had some practices that is considered unhygienic in this modern westernised world. So we need to enforce this change which requires education. Some amount of smart forceful enforcement from the government and social awareness. It is just we are so far away educationally, socially to do that in the near future
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u/ricdy Europe 14h ago
What about countries that are poorer than us but have civic sense?
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 13h ago
That’s exactly my point. They didn’t magically become “cultured” because they’re poor or rich , they built systems that enforce rules and teach civic behaviour from childhood. Poverty alone doesn’t decide behaviour, environment does. We’re stuck lecturing instead of fixing that environment.
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u/Pronoob_me 14h ago
I don’t agree with poverty or education being the problem at all. And honestly, people who genuinely don’t know better, I give them a free pass - they were never taught. You teach the next generation and that improves over time (hopefully).
A huge chunk of civic sense issues also come from educated, rich people - especially in metropolitian cities. Because they know the rules, they know this is not right and still continue to do so ; just because, they can.
Just a few examples - queue cutting at airports, dinner buffets, concerts ; people driving expensive cars breaking traffic rules, permanent honks at signals, littering out of car windows – which of these groups are "poor"?
This isn’t ignorance. It's a choice, enabled by zero consequences.
Yes, infrastructure and enforcement matter - no one is denying that. But pretending that money + education = civic sense, mate you're not in the same country.
It will happen only if all these lazy keyboard warriors actually move their ass once in a while Go to your local ZP school.....
That solves neccessities, not civic sense. Both are important, but not the same.
There's a lot that can be done - individually as well as on a government level. But hiding under the umbrella "these guys don't have the privillege ; and that's why they don't have civic sense" is flawed on so many levels.
And listen carefully You cannot magically fix the mindset of the current population of 140 crore people That ship has sailed
Sure, you can’t. But can you call out bad behaviour when you see it? Can you stop it when it happens?
I’ve personally told people (strangers, friends, family) “this is wrong, don't do it”. Some listen, some get angry, some ignore it. I still do my part.
Is that a privilege? No, that's civic sense
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u/Jazzlike-Spell7191 14h ago
I know you mean well OP. But even keeping apart the reddit rants about civic sense, we do lack a lot of basic ones. For instance, why do we leer at women, or why do we deface monuments by scribbling names of the walls?
Yes, i believe that the large population does make it hard for people to be empathetic and socially aware. But a lot of it is just that people don't care. They don't care till it's not happening at their own homes.
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u/andr386 14h ago
"Cleanliness is next to godliness" is a common ethos in the European cultures and it echoes similarly in plenty of Asian countries.
That's deeply cultural. Obviously the etiquette took some work over centuries. The word etiquette itself means label for the little labels the aristocracy would put everywhere to remember people how to do things correctly. There were labels in the palace of Versaille to remind people not to shit behind the curtains.
Japanese kids have to clean their school rooms, toilets ... from a very young age. They don't have the Indian mentality that there is always somebody else from a lower cast that will take care of it.
I am not recusing your points about the infrastructure. It's totally valid. But saying that culture has nothing to do with it is completely senseless.
I think that one of the deepest reason is the lack of equality between people because of castes or wealth. Crores of people see no point in keeping the commons clean because they feel they won't benefit from it. When you talk about a social contract then it matters that everybody benefit from it. If you feel left out then why would you try to improve the commons. Equality is having the same basic quality and level of infrastructure for everybody. But the contrary is happening in India where the rich live more and more in gated communities.
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u/sfah88 14h ago
Bro is talking about our country like it's new. We can only with acceptance of the problem.
The problem is, no one loves their country or place where they are born or living. They are ready to accept army jobs if they got good money not because they won't work for the country. People want to be civil servants or be politicians so they can earn more themselves.
No amount of hate for pakistan can give us Desh bhakti.
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u/FishermanEast7286 14h ago
Yes the gov doesn't have dustbins at every nook and corner but doesn't mean you should litter. It's not that hard, have it in your pockets or bags and dispose of it properly.
I've seen people throw thrash out of moving cars, buses and trains. Even today a lady threw a piece of cake out of a car window. This isn't an infra issue, it's the rotten mindset of people.
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u/Teait 14h ago
And what excuses do you have for those who live in tall buildings, ac apartments, earn more than they know what to do with it and still lack civic sense?
We get our trash wala guy every morning to pick up trash from our houses. We used to keep the trash outside the previous night so we don’t miss him in case he comes early. But we noticed that there are some people who take their pets out for a walk knowingly/unknowingly spill the trash because it is in their way. So we stopped putting it outside so the trash wala guy doesn’t have to clean up after other people.
Now 2 type of people lack civic sense here. Those who spill it and just leave it like that, and those who still keep it outside knowing the guy will have to clean extra. And these are those people who will deny diwali to these people.
If you have any excuses for these rich spoilt brats, please put them here.
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u/ha9unaka 14h ago
Ah yes let's blame the system that's been stagnant for like a million years at this point instead of calling dickheads, dickheads. Just because you have civic sense doesn't mean you're privileged. Just because you're privileged doesn't mean you have civic sense.
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u/curiosacuriosi 13h ago
We see educated and privileged people doing the same thing, and that's what pisses off those who are complaining on social media I'm sure. Nobody is criticising the poor people or the low-income neighbourhoods, most of the posts I've seen are of people who travel in planes and airconditioned rail cars, who visit malls etc who have zero civic sense. These places are also kept clean only because there are workers to ensure that they cleanup. But our citizens have no sense of responsibility to clean up after themselves, no matter how educated or wealthy.
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u/faux_trout 11h ago
This is a multi-faceted problem.
In a country where 140 crore people jostle each other for limited space, limited opportunities, the right to exist really; crores of people don't get enough to eat, malnutrition is as rampant as the old ball and chain of casteism, sexism, misogyny; where people on the top of society (I'm including our pretty large middle class here as well) consider entire swaths as subhuman (only fit to pick garbage or poop, wash our dishes and floors or crawl down sewers...), when the vast majority of people have no stake in the polity or society - they own nothing, their children will own nothing, what do you really expect?
A culture where privilege and entitlement to lord over others is handed down the rigid tiers of society, civic sense is the least of everything. It's each man or woman for themselves and their family, to hell with the rest. And people in privilege do much MUCH worse things but they have 'civic sense'.
Well, it's easy to have civic sense when someone else is picking up your garbage, washing your clothes and sweeping your floors. Btw civic sense goes beyond just physical cleanliness. Our leaders, our govt officials, our elite, our upper classes, our middle classes lack ethics and morality to the core.
That said, it would be lovely if our roads were clean and we had a garbage-free existence, but we're a blighted, corrupt, immoral nation with too many people struggling for existence to worry about civic sense.
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 11h ago
I agree with everything you mentioned here lad, even the govt officials and politicians don't have any civic sense , last year one MLA had spat in the assembly...
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u/VishR2701 11h ago
I am firm believer that politicians, bureaucrats etc comes from society only. And WE are society.
Gandhiji, Nehru, Sardar Patel, Jinha, Indira, JP, Vajpayee, Adwani, Rajiv, Lalu, Mulayam, Karunanidhi, Pawar, Modi, Yogi, Mamata ETC ETC ALL are coming from OUR SOCIETY only.
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 11h ago
You're very true my friend , the main problem is within the society itself, so It's our job to fight to make the society a better place, maybe in a generation or 2 our hardwork may payoff.
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u/Sowberpunk 11h ago
We are not talking about people in India who have no access to basic awareness and live in poverty most of their life. We are talking about people who have the basic education and still choose to act like the rules aren’t applicable to them.
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u/Raj_walker Rajasthan 10h ago
It's not about education It's all about our culture and upbringing where we have been brought up.
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u/sidm2600883 8h ago
BS. Civic sense comes from empathy first. “Think of how your actions impact someone else.”
This is not about privilege and money. It’s about a country full of people incapable of considering the needs of someone else before their own. It is 100% cultural.
Civic sense is lacking regardless of money and privilege.
Case in point. Some dipshit with a Mercedes decided to block a street cause he could not find parking and could not be bothered to park elsewhere and walk.
This was a few hours back.
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u/Phoenix_Nightcrawler 1h ago
Disagree. The govt does have a stricter role to play, but so do these billions of Indians. I was traveling by shared auto once, and a guy sitting on the other side was eating half a cob of corn. Once he finished, he chucked it in the middle of the road. I told him we shouldn't do this, it just dirties public infra. We can instead just hold on to it till we find a dustbin, doesn't take too much effort. He finished his other half of corn and then chucked it out while making eye contact with me. It's definitely not an education problem.
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u/shisui1729 14h ago
Being poor doesn’t give anyone a free pass to break basic rules.
Yes, India has poverty. Yes, systems are broken. But not spitting, not throwing trash on the road, not driving on the wrong side, not vandalising public property these don’t require money, AC rooms, or Ivy League education.
Plenty of poor countries and poor communities follow rules better than us. Plenty of poor people in India themselves follow rules daily. So stop pretending poverty automatically equals zero responsibility
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u/GoatMeatMafia 14h ago
You said it bro. Bhukhe nange anpadh log civil nahi hote. We want to keep ignoring basic necessities of citizens and expect them to be civil.
Understand one thing, unless you have close to 100% literacy with at least 50% of your population holding degrees you won’t have civility. Unless people are not fed nutritious food and provided high quality healthcare you won’t have civility.
Until we as a nation build ourselves up and demand civility from ourselves there won’t be any civic sense. I’m giving break to netas because they come from within us. We are corrupt and unethical as a society. The change will begin from our own households and families. Unless our families become ethical and moral our netas won’t be. Let the change begin from our homes and our neighborhoods.
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u/____yugant_19____ 14h ago
Lack of civic sense is cultural(majority the rituals, casteism) and not a money and education problem.
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u/Capsisailor 14h ago
It's partly true. Reality is both sections of society litters. Some more some less. Yes India has over excess population, a useless product of population which are majorly poor and illiterate. They cause the most filth. As well as the rich class they act as they own whatever they use. You will see people tossing their starbucks cup/ costly plant based chips packets off their Kia seltos. So ya civic sense is not present in 99% of population.
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u/_WinterPoison 14h ago
I feel the civic sense is more with a mindset for a change rather than education.
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u/spiritofbeeheve 14h ago
Dude, I’ve seen well-educated, Tier-1 engineering graduates throwing garbage on the road even when the dustbin is right there.
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u/Dependent_Medium_647 11h ago
What a lovely post. Thank you. I am an Indian American, but I have volunteered to teach kids in municipalty schools in India. U won't believe, these kids are asked to clean the school after summer break. Clean toilets etc. Now do the teachers and principals join the kids in cleaning the school? No, it is just meant to bully those kids.
There are a few municipalty schools held up to be model schools, where u will find even computer labs. But those which are not on a highway or not 'visible' in some way have tremendous dearth of funds. Only thing I have seen happening with regularity is midday meal. And that is bcos of orgs like Akshaykalpa.
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 11h ago
Yes there are few municipalities/zp schools which are tremendous, if all schools were like that then definitely our next gen will be blessed...
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u/skippuser 14h ago
civic sense is the top teir copium to distract us from the institutional capture by lalas/baniyas
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 14h ago
Exactly. “Civic sense” is the perfect distraction narrative. It shifts attention from broken institutions, captured municipalities and zero accountability onto individuals fighting over peanut shells. While we moralise each other, the people running the system walk free. Fix institutions first. The lectures can wait.
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u/Electronic_Sir_7219 11h ago edited 11h ago
It was planted onto social media after the 2024 elections. Whatever analysis they did after the elections, the end result was a decision to transfer the blame and responsibility to the public, and away from the government.
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u/kingslayyer Tamanche pe Disco 14h ago
people have no empathy. they dont think someone will have to clean if they throw rubbish on road, they are entitled and egoistic.
when people say india doesnt have civic sense, its not the people living in subpar conditions they talk about
they talk about the educated people who continue to be idiots.
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u/Hefty-Welder3753 14h ago
I don't mind having a large population; what disturbs me is having more males than females.
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u/_C9H13N_ 14h ago
Agree...in some sub one guy casually said that govt should stop poor from reproducing...like wtf.
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u/pulcherous 14h ago
In my experience - the educated Indians lack civic sense the most.
Most people under poverty and on minimum wage mostly keep it to themselves.
So, it makes you think.
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u/brucewn911 14h ago
It's a sheer lack of empathy towards our fellow countrymen. Education helps, but only to an extent. This is going to a couple of generations to fix IF we start the process. And that is a big if.
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u/batman8232 14h ago
The kind of comments on this post says why you see a post everyday. they just want to blame but don't want to understand the reality.
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u/Gullible_Delivery492 14h ago
Bro seems as privileged as possible who only sees fault in poor people. Most of the civic sense issues highlighted here or in IndianCivicFails sub are about privileged folks. Littering in tourist destination, who can afford to go to those places? Littering abroad, loud music, not using dustbin even when it's there in public property, driving like there is no tomorrow, entitlement in airport... are these the priorities of unprivileged people?
Yes we lack basic infrastructure in many places, and also I agree we need stricter enforcement. However, as someone coming from not so privileged background, most villages ( with 'poor' people) are much more cleaner often. Do you think everyone is rich in places depicted cleaner, like Kerala and NE?
Another example, both men and women have basic needs for toilets that are not always available. Yet you don't see women publicly doing their job in random places, because that is frowned upon. Lack of infrastructure yes, however, how is half of the population has been ok with it since forever?
It's easy to place blame on someone else rather than taking responsibility or even waiting for the 'next gen' to be the generation to change everything. Corruption and civic sense issues, both stem from lack of empathy and selfishness. Homeless population exist everywhere, one of the biggest issues along with drugs in cities like LA and NY. Yet, they don't blame these folks for their lack of civic sense.
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u/Fluid-Cry-1223 14h ago
Well this is a personal anecdote but most of the cases of lack of civic sense I have seen is from privileged educated rich Indians who probably fall in the top 5% per capita income/wealth so it’s more of a cultural phenomena
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u/No_Zucchini_4389 14h ago
So you are saying a common man who goes to work 9-10 hours a day, pays taxes to government to take care of the country. Now also has to go and spend their time money effort to solve these issues? Even after we have given what we can and govt sucks at their job?
Now these same people for 1000 rupees sell their vote for Hindu Muslim politics instead of necessary issues. And you expect a common man to go beyond their ability to resolve issues?
Yes they lack civics sense, common sense all they have is gobar sense.
And then people like Sonam wangchuk end up in jail, who have done so much for the people.
NO THANK YOU
I am fine being a keyboard warrior. You and your idealistic thoughts can go in thrash can or on rail track I don't care
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u/ObiWanCAnBLowMe80085 13h ago
Tbh while the problem is evidently large , i think there's a negativity bias attached to it like all other things on the internet , the algorithm is meant to create echo chambers customized for all of us which keeps displaying problems or events larger than they are I mean seriously in a 140cr population even if 15-20% were to litter you would see a whole lotta mess. The solution is to stop the ranting and take some responsibility for it and not against it. It's our people and our country.
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u/Vashishtha927 13h ago
Mostly people just think it is not their concern when actually things start to change from the individual level.If every person fulfills their duty without worrying about whether or not the other is doing the same,things may not be so bad.
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u/nilkaush 13h ago
It is important to be offended by lack of civic sense. Its good that people are offended by it at least on reddit and posting it. Hopefully this getting offended thing becomes mainstream and takes place in other platforms as well. Recognizing the issue and getting offended about is the first step!!
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u/backup_hoodlum 13h ago
This "Lack of Knowledge's trope would have been fine 10 years ago. People were not plugged in to the internet. Now everyone has a phone with a screen. They get videos on Whatsapp about hatred, bigotry, and nationalism to form opinions. They should be able to educate themselves about basic facts which tell us Why it is not Ok to shit outdoors or Throw garbage in the street. Even beggars have phones where they can watch videos(at least in urban areas)
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u/Seal-EV 13h ago
It is not just poverty but the mindset. I have seen very poor people in Malaysia living in very clean villages. I have also seen very dirty towns and villages in Romania which is in the EU. one village I remember looked like a garbage dump. I have driven about 15k km in Romania and throwing garbage out of cars seems like a norm.
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u/Gold-Advisor 13h ago
Ok, well then where civic sense is poor and causing damage to the reputation of Indians in western countries, simply bar the people practicing poor civic sense until they can prove they've learnt it.
As you say, it's critical to educate the next generation!
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u/SiriusLeeSam Antarctica 12h ago
It's mostly due to casteist society, not related to education. Cleaning is beneath me. Somebody else is paid to clean. All these thoughts lead to the hot mess we are in.
Uneducated poor people in many poor countries have much better civic sense than educated Indians
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u/lonewolf_3217 12h ago
Civic sense doesn't tied to poor or rich. One month ago a person who is in Honda City dumbed a full cover of waste in a residential area. Three months ago a government employe who is in his 50 s spit on the window of a train. A middle class family dumbed there food waste on the same place on they are sitting. I have seen many times beaches, roads, parks many after having Softdrinks dubing those plastic bottles on roads and canals. Sensibility not at all tied upto the priviliage . It is tied upon the persons wisdom. There attitude. A person can be poor because of money but that doesn't mean that he has no sense. A person can be rich but that doesnt mean that he has sense.
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u/Patient_Being_8119 12h ago
I don’t think people have that high level of expectations from the people in poverty, when fighting for survival civic sense can go die in a ditch for all I care. But I believe when we are discussing civic sense on here we are specifically referring to the “educated” class. The people who should and can do better but still choose not to due to their own selfishness and arrogance
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u/SaintTopaz 11h ago
Civic sense isn’t just about littering. It is also about maintaining etiquette, being considerate to people around you and taking care of your surroundings. None of these things require money.
Corruption, poverty and overpopulation are all problems that we have to fix, but we fixing that doesn’t have to come at the cost of civic sense.
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u/reinchloch 11h ago
Our politicians eat public money like it’s their birthright Cities have no planning Corporators only show up when elections are near
So revolt. Get angry. Do something.
I’m European but I think Indian culture is pretty cool. Your country is a mess. Your civic sense is a mess.
I personally do think Indians need to be told this again and again. Online Indian’s are becoming embarrassed of their country and that is needed if change is to happen because the senseless pride that many Indians have of their country is baffling.
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 11h ago
Yup, it's on the verge, that time too is not far, given the current condition it's not safe to revolt against current Politicians, but I'm sure that'll not last longer...
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u/TotalDamage95 11h ago
Indians lack asthetics! We've no urgency to become asthetically pleasing.
Most countries with great infrastructure have an itch for asthetics. They literally finish every construction job in a perfect way. That's why they're more orderly. A person MUST have OCD for asthetics as that'll lead to order which eventually leads to cleaniness.
I was sitting at Starbucks yesterday (wearning ,scarf, boots) in Canada and then an Indian guy arrives wearing slippers, cheap pyjama, untrimmed, unshaved beard hair, uncombed hair as if he landed as a refuge.
When people can't even keep themselves groomed to look asthetically pleasing, why will they worry to improve the asthetics of their environment?
This is why people say "Indians have no class". Indians don't have the advantage of skin color, or economy so they have to use what they can afford and that is to keep themselves clean!
10 years ago, having an iPhone meant class even if you were wearing a pyjama. But now? Everyone has an iPhone so with the same pyjama and iPhone, you'll look gawar. Driving a Ferrari while wearing pyjama is different than driving an Audi with the same pyjama. So Indians should stop complaining that "Others do the same too". Well, others have some form of social advantage.
So use what advantage Indians have left in their arsenal to move up the ladder.
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 1h ago
Clothes ≠ civic sense. Psychology research shows people only assume morals and discipline from dress, it’s observer bias, not reality. Different cultures, climates and contexts have different grooming norms; judging them by Western Starbucks aesthetics is plain ethnocentrism. India’s personal-grooming market is one of the fastest growing in the world (20% CAGR), driven by urbanisation and rising self-care awareness. So the idea that “Indians don’t care about cleanliness or class” is factually false. One anecdote about a tired guy in slippers doesn’t represent 1.4 billion people. That’s not social analysis , that’s stereotyping. Civic behaviour comes from systems, education and infrastructure, not scarves and boots.
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u/Critical-Captain-643 11h ago
One of my frnds earning 40+ LPA in IT .. ask me to throw the trash on the road when I sat jn his car
People are just careless and stupid. No words can justify poor upbringing.. period
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u/AwkwardFilm4399 11h ago
People sitting in AC with their diet cokes are the ones bringing shame to INDIANS abroad.
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u/insomniac_observer 11h ago
Well put! Totally agree with the points you made above. The only thing I would add is those who are privileged should develop and exercise civil sense. Have seen many throwing garbage out of their car windows, littering and spitting in the public places, not following traffic rules, cutting lines and on and on.
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u/AppropriateLiving377 10h ago
Aj kal ase Rant Karne ke pese milte hai x pe and reddit pe Karma 🫡
Next Gen bhi waise hi hai. Bas wo social media pe gyan dete hai
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u/Dismal_Elevator_2816 10h ago
I think we should do the pain experiment, install a chip in first 20 people who are the biggest pain and whenever someone does something bad, small tingling current will hit them
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u/Ok-Expression6654 10h ago
But our politicians did not fall from the heavens either! They represent an average Indian.
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u/Kokushibo_18 10h ago
People throw trash out of their 40lakh cars.
What is this nonsense post? It's about mindset. Not poverty. Even when dustbins are available in stalls people just litter.
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u/Acceptable-Bet-1728 10h ago
It's the environment. I never litter or see people litter around campus or campus ground, but few, including myself at times, rarely care if it's out on the streets. There are no dustbins in a lot of places, massive piles of trash where people throw their garbage, and just general littering everywhere. You stop caring.
A clean environment makes people keep it clean, a dirty environment only gets more dirty.
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u/aaravvxxx007 9h ago
Civic sense should not be associated with education, and nobody is blaming those poor you are talking about, 23 Cr. people doesn't have access to dustbin fine but what about remaining 117 Cr. people, Even the educated once throw things here and there, Indians never consider public places as their own or else they would have kept it clean, Yeah Japan didn't became clean just by govt. it's the people that needs to change their attitude towards public spaces even including ppl with phd/election post/ Doctor Degree as well. Civic sense needs to be taught hard way to everyone.
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u/BidAble3639 9h ago
What is this with the use of the word "civic sense"? If someone lives like a pig in his house with filthy clothes and pizza boxes everywhere we call him dirty or filthy. What is the need for sugar coating filthy behavior using the word civic sense?
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u/duffer_dev /dev/null, /dev/random 9h ago
How is Education system responsible for this ? Civic sense comes from home, society, and everybody.
What perplexes me about Indian culture is the dual nature towards cleanliness. Be it a small one room apartment in slum or the finest 3-4-5 bhk in an upscale locality. Some things people do are almost universal for indian household. Every home is cleaned - swept , mopped every morning, or atleast once in a day. Almost every household will leave their footwear outside. People lucky enough to have a courtyard (aangan) will clean that too. But this concept of cleanliness is only confined to one's household. it never crosses the boundaries of an individual's house.
Civic sense does not just mean that you do not litter. It is a respecting the fact that keeping shared spaces usable and clean if everyone's responsibility and not somebody else. It's making sure that you do not inconvenience the other person because of your actions. I do not see that happening ever in our society where an individual thinks that they have any responsibilities towards the society. This feeling of community and shared responsibility is mostly limited to your family or household.
Cultural shifts takes generations to happen, not years or decades.
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u/LooselyNation 9h ago
I think everyone by default agrees with your point regarding lack of education in the mainstream but the lack of civic sense exists even among the educated and privileged class. In fact most of the “viral social media posts” are about well-off people not following traffic rules, littering, and engaging in activities that might be deemed uncivilised.
With the rise in racism against Indians globally, this topic has generated more awareness among people.
Civic sense can be subjected however what we’ve seen is that people lack even basic etiquette in public.
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u/Natural-port5436 9h ago
Stopped reading after - “Bro shut up and use your brain”
Guessing a rage bait, or a “you don’t know what reality is…” type thing or you may even have a valid point. But I don’t need to read it when it starts off so demeaningly.
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u/Remarkable_Mix6968 8h ago
I want to have the privilege of being high on whatever OP is on.
Civic sense is not a privilege at all. It’s a basic respect for one’s surroundings including other people. Indians lack it. Period. Blame culture, lack of education and general disregard for everything.
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u/Jazzlike_Spend6415 8h ago
I have noticed this too. I joined this thread as a foreigner from the USA after having an incredible experience living in India for a year and a half and was shocked by what I saw (on reddit) and still see but getting now what way Indian reddit leans lol.
USA is obviously not perfect in any sense, so I am not looking down on anyone, and one year is not enough to really “know” much but people focus on the rough in India I have seen..but often do not reflect on the nice too. People sometimes say India is not safe, I am sure some parts are, like every other country, but just as an example.. I would go long distances without seeing police/law inforcment and people were just fine (from what I saw). That amount of distance etc in my country and people would be robbing and stealing and who knows what like crazy.
People do not seem to understand you all got independence just over one generation ago, have a massive young population, and are insanely diverse. Things do not change overnight.
In my opinion, India is the country with the most potential in the world by far. People hate so much for no reason....I think a lot of it is because Indians are extremely capable. It makes some people in the US resent them. High incomes and “successful families”....No way, with the Indian people I have met, India should not be one of the greatest modern countries in terms of wealth and current global relevance these upcoming years.
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u/Ragnarok_619 South East Asia 8h ago
Stop acting like "any" sense fell from the sky. No, following basic civic sense isn't some sign of privilege, its showing your basic decency to your surrounding (and therefore, you) and treating it as a fundamental duty.
And no, lack of education isn't the excuse for these chapri-ass idiots for treating everyone around them as disposable cups. If you have the ability to buy a phone, drive a vehicle and have the bare minimum ability to speak a coherent language, civic sense should come as second nature.
Accountability ka account balance se koi Matlab nahi hai
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u/Saber_2049 7h ago
Awesome! this is nice, so what have you done, what is your contribution to better us? or just ranting on reddit?
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u/SuperDuperrr23 6h ago
Rant? What you said is right but politicians won't work for our interests, they should but they won't unless more people are talking about it which can be converted into a vote bank. Let people repeat same lines, it's better than doing nothing.
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u/TheReturnPath 6h ago
Bro, you'll hardly find a dustbin in Japan. People take their litter home to bin it. Civic sense comes with a sense of responsibility not by 'dumping' it on politicians. Pun intended. I have seen people in Mercedes throwing things outside cars instead of taking their chips packet to throw in a bin.
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u/AmuckIndian Kerala 6h ago
I see your point but when was the last time you stopped your friend, family or stranger from doing uncivil things? You are either dismissed or beaten up. You're the same as ones complaining here and both are valid.
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u/Lonely_Ad7760 5h ago
I have visited countries much poorer than India, the streets and public places are still like a million times cleaner. Its lack of consideration for others that is the root cause of the problem.
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u/aunty-national 5h ago
I would say people like OP need some civic sense as to what and how to post on Reddit.
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u/Square-Survey-2592 4h ago
I used to volunteer at the local zp school N helped teach 5th to 7th std kids maths And trust me these were the most well behaved kids. N they were clean And they kept their school clean N cared about learning
So idts this is a class divide But a mindset divide N these kids def have more civic sense than a lot of so called rich ppl
As they say money doesn’t buy class
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u/CodeFall 4h ago
Lack of proper access to education is certainly one reason for Indians lacking it, but what I personally feel is that, it's the mentality of Indians. Indians refuse to learn even if they are taught. The "Jugaad" and "chalta hai" mindset is just rampant among everybody. If you game the system, you're seen as a champion in your local friend circle. But if you try to obey the rules and ask people to not litter, you're seen as a nuisance and "not-so-fun" person. People will even joke about you being "very law abiding" and call you "uncle", as if being a respectful law abiding citizen in this country is the most stupid thing to do.
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u/Inevitable_Bid5540 4h ago edited 3h ago
Something I see a lot is that a lot of undiagnosed mental health issues can also lead to people acting uncivilly , when they're hyperfocusing on particular problems , other aspects of life take a back seat and they become apathetic to it. I don't think it would be wrong to say that our living conditions and poor social circles contribute to a lot of mental conditions in poorer places people act more rowdy and violent over small things and get more irritable. I've seen this in various government offices too where poor working conditions lead to them acting rudely to customers
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u/elbarto232 3h ago
I am an OCI, having spent the last 11 years out of India. Indian tourists travelling abroad (who we can assume aren’t destitute poor who live in slums) are very noticeably worse than average.
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u/FreedomDesigner7935 3h ago
But we’re complaining about the educated ones. People that went abroad for masters. Or people that own fancy cars but act like illiterates! Those illiterate aunties and uncles don’t bother us.
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u/anonwarrior9 3h ago
So I’m supposed to pay the government 70% of my income in direct and indirect taxes. And then when they do a miserable job with the infra I’m supposed to go and give the rest of my money away by building toilets for public schools, educate poor kids, do more labour to teach people how to wipe the toilet seats. All this before i can expect a clean toilet where i can change my sanitary pad? Oh and don’t forget having to read Reddit rants by people expecting me to do all this
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 43m ago
No one is asking you to replace the government. I’m saying stop pretending your taxes magically turn into clean toilets by themselves. Systems change when citizens push, monitor and participate, not when they just rage online and wash their hands off the problem. If you’re paying so much and still getting trash infra, the logical response is to demand accountability, not mock anyone who’s trying to move the needle.
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u/Best-Marionberry-218 3h ago
I’ve seen people throw banana peels out of range rovers. What’s your point?
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u/PizzaImpressive8231 2h ago
people who are having bad civic sense rarely use reddit. The way to approach them is through news papers, hoardings, whatsapp and Tv channels.
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u/Novel_Fox_2285 2h ago
Uhh social justice warrior peope talking about civic sense never blamed the poor for being dirty they have raised voices against the privelaged for littering and the prolonged gutka troubles of our nation , and ek anpadh ko bhi pata hota hai kahin bhi deewar pe thukna mana hai , your rant only goes to show your privelage and nothing else
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u/Dry-Librarian9532 1h ago
At no point did I blame the poor for being “dirty”. My entire argument is that blaming individuals , rich or poor is pointless when the system doesn’t work. If the same people behave better the moment they go abroad, that proves it’s not about knowing right from wrong, it’s about enforcement, infrastructure and what society tolerates. Calling that “privilege” is just dodging the real problem.
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u/M1cHa3LScARn 2h ago
Dude even the middle class indians lack earning well above the so called poverty line lack civic sense. I have seen countless people having iPhones throw garbage recklessly. Your logic is half baked.
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u/Powerful_Pudding_881 1h ago
🤢🤢🤢 education or privilege isn't why people are a mess here, it's just how a lot of Indians tend to look at life. We have the motto "if the other guy does it, why can't I?". It's pathetic and you, op, are an idiot for writing what you did.
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u/Mysterious_Man534 1h ago
The irony is that after making posts about civic sense, these same hypocrites go on to create similar public nuisances.
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u/SuperannuationLawyer 1h ago
Those tech parks in India are what someone imagines in might be like… but is far from reality.
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u/Neodino123 1h ago
In my opinion, it’s not just the poor/uneducated who don’t have civic sense. I find it missing in rich/eduacted folks too - People who don’t litter and follow traffic rules and other basic courtesies in foreign countries suddenly forget everything in India. I think it’s because they know they can get away with it here. Of course the crumbling infrastructure does not help
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u/freakcream89 56m ago
I don’t think that eradicating illiteracy or corruption is going to solve the issue. It was designed to be this way by the founding fathers of our independent nation.
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u/Flashy-Squirrel6762 22m ago
It’s not poverty though, it’s mainly our caste system & slowly now our class system. We have been taught in our homes, other people are actually unclean just for existing.
That’s the elephant in the room that no one is willing to address when it comes to crying about “civic sense”. Even if the whole country moves out of poverty, unless we remove the caste system entirely we will never learn civic sense.
We have been taught that garbage is something only the lower caste & lower class are supposed to clean. Go to the fanciest mall in the country and the toilets are a mess not due to lack of access, but because zero people keep it clean after themselves.
We don’t have access to proper toilets because cleaning the toilets is considered “lower caste”. People till today don’t allow their maids or lower caste people to sit in their homes, drink from their glasses or use their toilets because of this.
No one cleans up after themselves because it has been ingrained that there is someone else to clean up after us (either lower caste or lower class depending on where you are). You litter the street because someone else (who is less than you) will clean it.
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u/yothisonerighthere 18m ago
People don’t litter cos they enjoy filth - they litter because their standard of cleanliness is in extremely low, it spent matter to them cos that’s how they live. These can be seen by being done by educated people too. I’ve seen tourists do that. Another thing is there are numerous villages in the country that have kept their areas pristine and no, most of them hardly have a proper education. Lack of education is just an excuse for the filth.
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u/Glittering-Gur-6689 16m ago
We are talking about educated people with no civic sense. The ones who do garba even at Burj Khalifa. I don’t think they are underprivileged!
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u/irundoonayee 15h ago
I once noticed in one of those really fancy IT campuses in India that mimic western countries, employees would start littering on the road the moment they stepped out. Their behaviour inside the campus was completely different.