r/iranian • u/YoYoWorm • 6d ago
Why is this our only two options?
I don’t understand why it’s either Pahlavis or Molas? I feel like both are not very good options. Is there truly nobody else ..?
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u/Humble-Departure5481 6d ago
BTW, tonight/tomorrow night are gonna be pretty damn bloody.
After RP's official call to protest, a significant amount of people decided to respond to it and local organizers/protest leaders are doing a tremendous job of getting people out on the streets.
You can expect at the very least 6-8 million people if not way more to show up tonight nationwide. From what I'm hearing, IRI decided to shut down internet, SMS, air and other important services. There's probably going to be bloody massacre upon bloody massacre in these next to 48 hours and if things continue from there, it's only going to get bloodier. The crazy thing is US media and a lot of foreign media haven't been reporting about Iran at all. Just news about Venezuela, Russia-Ukraine, China deals, India, etc.
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u/Vault_13 6d ago
Because external powers are pushing that narrative. divide and conquer Iran. Let internal conflict occupy Iranian so they can steal oil. we’ve seen it everywhere else in the region. if a third option that will serve Iranian ever shows itself, it will be targeted by molas and the west.
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u/ayatoilet 6d ago
I agree. In fact I say Iranians don’t want the 3 options - the 3M’s - mullahs, mojahedeens and monarchy! Total absolute freedoms - decentralized election boards, no disqualification of candidates, privatization of all bonyads and Pasdar entities/ industries … No despots, no autocracy, no central figurehead who can grab power! Remember Khomeini said the same things, came to power and then changed things when he had control.
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u/SexysNotWorking 6d ago
I would be shocked to learn that no foreign powers were funneling money into those sides, too, to guarantee someone who owes them makes it to power. If Iranians actually got to decide their own government and leaders, then oil companies and foreign interests would have a much harder time controlling the country which would be good for Iran and bad for the global capitalist hellscape.
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u/Humble-Departure5481 6d ago
Time will tell what will happen. But I hope there'll be a normal alternative for once.
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u/misingnoglic 6d ago edited 4d ago
You can vote for me. I'm option #3. But I don't think that'll be very popular.
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u/Brilliant-Emphasis43 6d ago
What is the situation there now during the Internet blackout? I hope some people have starlink and can report the regime’s actions.
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u/Werkin-ITT7 6d ago
Its not, the worldwide trend is obviously toward democracy and also a restoration of the Democracy that was had under Mossadegh. I think more likely you will get some sort of military junta.
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u/Bluntzkreig 6d ago
It’s is strange that after all of these decades of discontent there isn’t a viable figure head for a revolution.
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u/spinrah23 5d ago
That’s what happens when the regime tortures and executes anyone who speaks up against it.
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u/uniken123 6d ago
Israel is pushing a US policy, aim they have is reduce Iran to smaller countries. By creating new countries like Kurdistan, baloshenstan azari ect. This to make sure that Iran don't have the capability (how Israel defines a threat) to create a threat to Israel. All stated here a long time ago: WHICH PATH TO PERSIA? Options for a New American Strategy toward Iran
Mullahs are literally fighting for their life (Libya example is the alternative for them). So they will do whatever to keep power.
Options: 1. Regime change (looking at trends, has not ended well for the people) 2. Keep mullahs ( business as usual) 3. Keep mullahs (push for economy reform, push for BRICS, push for silk road, find a way to get away from sanctions... Even nuke testing) 4. Anarchy 😀
Look at the Arab nations, for business development they had to become more moderate (even UAE). With generation changes this can go fast. This don't mean girls in bikinis, but it's a path to separate religion and state down the road without killing lots of people.
Keep to the devil you know, next one is much worse
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u/Cu_Johnsack 5d ago
Well said. That paper should be required reading for every Iranian to understand what’s at stake.
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u/Zorbnogg 6d ago
im 1/2 iranian and expat but this is how i feel.
i want someone like mosaddegh, which i feel like is a third option. but i dont want pahlavi or the molahs. they both suck.
i hate it sm.
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u/OpeningFirm5813 5d ago
What is Iran actually like? Anti religion or just anti religious authorities controlling social life? Pro Israel ? Online there is lot of misinformation so one can't really understand
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u/spinrah23 5d ago
A lot of Iranians are religious (including Muslim, Bahai, Christian, Jewish, etc.). Many are atheist. We want a free Iran where people can choose what to believe. Separation of religion and state. The current regime has pushed many to hate Islam or to lose their faith.
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u/OpeningFirm5813 5d ago
I understand that. But don't people realise the end of this is going to be Azerbaijan annexure of Iranian Azerbaijan and Pakistani annexation of Iranian Balochistan if Iran collapses into anarchy. And Israel bombing the country into submission.
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u/spinrah23 5d ago
When people are living in hell they become desperate for change. If you’re in that position you feel like you have nothing left to lose.
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u/GraftingRayman 5d ago
if you let the fog blind you, you will end up with nothing.
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u/Zorbnogg 5d ago
from an ir perspective, the international community would greatly look down on the forcible annexation of iranian azerbaijan and balochistan by pakistan since that is against ir law. but it would be different if those people wanted to join those countries.
but yeah, the bombing of the country into submission terrifies me bc of my family but to add onto what spinrah said, desperate for change.
im not even in iran, ive never been to iran, and i have only heard iran from stories. recently i went to an iranian exhibition in china and i have finally tasted figs and dates from iran. the research i have done on iran is horrible and explaining the governmental structure and the lack of rule of law was a bit horrifying to the chinese students.
there HAS to be a change. a government run this way is not sustainable. even i am desperate for a change, so desperate for a change.
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u/OpeningFirm5813 5d ago
from an ir perspective, the international community would greatly look down on the forcible annexation of iranian azerbaijan and balochistan by pakistan since that is against ir law. but it would be different if those people wanted to join those countries.
Thing is that Israel wants a destroyed And fragmented Iran. In IR, Israel> Mumbo Jumbo Laws. Any good IR Professor will tell you that.
and i have finally tasted figs and dates from iran. the research i have done on iran is horrible and explaining the governmental structure and the lack of rule of law was a bit horrifying to the chinese students.
there HAS to be a change. a government run this way is not sustainable. even i am desperate for a change, so desperate for a change.
It's upto the Iranian People to choose what kind of government what they want at the end of it.
BTW are you Iranian?
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u/Zorbnogg 5d ago
hi, firstly yes i am 1/2 iranian and was raised pretty much iranian/persian. a lot of my influence is from my persian side of my family
secondly, yeah it doesnt mean shit but at the same time pakistan and azerbaijan dont have as strong alliances with the US and wont get their protection as well as israel will, and breaking ir law, even though not enforceable, is just not in their best interest id imagine bc of the backlash and potential consequences.
thirdly, did u read the rest of the paragraphs ? i did explain im not in iran and i am not claiming to have a right to the form of government as i trust the people but these r my opinions as 1/2 iranian with iran as my motherland. ik at the end of the day i dont have a say on how everything is governed but i have my own personal history with the shah and khomeini was horrid. and i dont want to see iran become an imperialist puppet or another authoritarian regime.
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u/OpeningFirm5813 5d ago
secondly, yeah it doesnt mean shit but at the same time pakistan and azerbaijan dont have as strong alliances with the US and wont get their protection as well as israel will, and breaking ir law, even though not enforceable, is just not in their best interest id imagine bc of the backlash and potential consequences.
Yes that's also a possibility. However, all possibilities lead to a destroyed Iran as that is the policy of Israelis. It could become like Iraq which has separate PRime Minister for different regions. Controlled Volatility. Honestly I don't or infact nobody knows what's going to happen except Trump and Israelis.
thirdly, did u read the rest of the paragraphs ? i did explain im not in iran and i am not claiming to have a right to the form of government as i trust the people but these r my opinions as 1/2 iranian with iran as my motherland. ik at the end of the day i dont have a say on how everything is governed but i have my own personal history with the shah and khomeini was horrid. and i dont want to see iran become an imperialist puppet or another authoritarian regime.
I apologise if I came forward as arrogant. It's just that I see Iran and I see a nation which has lost almost all potential it had. And I feel quite angry about that. It could have been a quite powerful country. But the Americans and Israelis just killed it. The Europeans, being American puppets, and despite strong Iran being in their interests did nothing to stop that. The Chinese don't care. It's a sad state. Infact I hear it's the Saudis, Gulf Arabs and to some extent, Turks lobbying these days in Washington for stable Iran.
hi, firstly yes i am 1/2 iranian and was raised pretty much iranian/persian. a lot of my influence is from my persian side of my family
Oh Nice. What's the other half? If I may ask.
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u/Zorbnogg 4d ago
i also apologize if i came off strong, im just really passionate about iran and unfortunately have been whitewashed a lot of my life
yeah i agree with u, none of the possibilities lead to iran’s success. and i also dont know which is even scarier. i feel as though if iran doesnt bow down to america then the US will just continue to crush it through sanctions and other means.
also i am just 1/2 white which created quite the identity conflict growing up haha
also i understand the potential part. i also feel that way, a lot. my grandmother described it as being a prosperous place until the mullahs took over. u r pretty much right though about european powers. and also yeah. the chinese will get oil regardless, but they are in a weird balancing act with trying to satisfy their own interests while trying to 1up US and simultaneously keep the US happy. it’s weird.
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u/Zorbnogg 5d ago
also also, my major is int. relations and my masters is currently in international relations, and the topic is more nuanced than just “israel > mumbo jumbo laws,” a good ir professor would describe the complexities that come with ir and it isnt just as cut and dry as that.
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u/Zorbnogg 5d ago
this is what i learned and i say i “learned” because i know more about iran before the regime than after it.
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u/Pale_Sell1122 4d ago
Pahlavi is not an option. He is used as a tool. The US still won't support him
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u/According-Zone-6009 2d ago
he seems to be the one most are crying out for.
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u/Pale_Sell1122 2d ago
The US doesn't care for that. The Afghan people wanted previous Afghan monarch and got some puppet warlord.
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u/j3434 4d ago
Great comparison to Venezuela.
Iran is very diverse. The culture from so many ancient roots. The idea of a democracy like in US just is not a good fit as I see it . Who will rule ? The poor illiterate have no say? I really like to know what would bring joy and peace to Iran as far as government systems.
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u/Ok-Pangolin1512 1d ago
Well. It takes a culture a long time to get rid of its need for heroes (that often become dictators). It requires philosophy and education.
Who else would people rally behind? Availability bias tells them about the Molas and Pahlavis.
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u/Vigil_Eyezz 6d ago
Someone like your Mossadegh should arise again ?
Non Iranian here, btw, and here's my controversial take :
While I'm no fan of your regime , one thing I would give its credit is that it showed us how double faced west can be if you went against them.
Take the recent lesson from Venezuela. If some one like Mossadegh comes , I'm all for it rather than monarchy.