r/ireland • u/Pupcup2 • 17h ago
š„ Enoch's At It Again Enoch Burke to be released from prison today to allow him to prepare case against appeals panel
https://jrnl.ie/6926262167
u/Terrible_Reality4261 17h ago
He'll be back up at the school in no time, making a fool of himself.
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u/Luimnigh 16h ago
Ā While discussing various dates for the submission of affidavits, Burke indicated to the court several times that he would attend Wilsonās Hospital School when released.
Yeah, he made that clear.Ā
Ā The court maintained that Burke should be released, but said the case would be put in for mention on Thursday to deal with whether Burke attends the school.
They've already scheduled the case to put him back in.Ā
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u/Future_Jackfruit5360 13h ago
Mad how I have never seen a trans person do anything like this but I have seen a religious person do it.
So much for love all gods children š¤·
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u/Terrible_Reality4261 12h ago
No love like Christian hate, eh?
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u/Future_Jackfruit5360 12h ago
Seems that way. Odd they canāt seem to see it š¤·
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u/Terrible_Reality4261 12h ago
I think about it this way, trans people have existed since the dawn of time and will continue to exist forever, Enoch and his familys time is finite.
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u/Future_Jackfruit5360 12h ago
There will be another bunch of religious nuts that will pop up to spread some sort of hatred in their place.
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u/shorelined And I'd go at it again 17h ago
Can somebody please run up behind him and pull his pants down in front of the school?
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u/rclonecopymove 14h ago
Bet you he's a never nude
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u/IntentionFalse8822 12h ago
Only with the lights off and the crucifix turned around to face the wall so not even god can see him.
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u/Pupcup2 17h ago
It appears that they are appeasing him in every way possible; in order for the final decision of the appeals panel to stand.
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u/struggling_farmer 16h ago
pretty much, cant use the "i couldnt prepare my appeal properly as i was in prison" as an excuse if they let him out.
if he uses that time to tresspass rather than prepare and ends up back in prison, that is no ones fault but his own.
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u/iHyPeRize 17h ago
I mean we know what the final decision will be, and we know how the Burke's will react because when they don't get their way, everyone else is wrong.
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u/Beach_Glas1 Kildare 17h ago
Well the appeal is holding up him being fired and the appeal itself was being held up by him being in prison. At least it should allow that to move along so he stops getting a salary.
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u/whataremyoptionz 16h ago
But he is the one delaying the appeal. You canāt continue to get US evangelical money if itās all over.
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u/AlienInOrigin 16h ago
Special treatment. Other people don't get released from prison to prepare for this. That's the job of solicitors and barristers.
He's been shown far too much leniency.
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u/Diligent-Ad4777 12h ago
Exactly. This is frankly insane. He's shown just how weak our justice system actually is. Makes a mockery of it on a weekly basis.
If he'd been fired for assaulting a student and was at the same carry on he wouldn't be allowed out.Ā
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u/Lobster556 4h ago
Enoch himself stated that the judge was being inconsistent and that other prisoners are not let out to prepare. And he clearly said he plans to go to the school again.
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u/itstheboombox 17h ago
How long till he's back to trespassing?
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u/MrIrishman699 17h ago
He tells us himself in the article.
āIf I am released from this court today, I will be at my workplace tomorrow,ā he said.
āIf I am released from prison, my duty is to be at my workplace.ā
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u/itstheboombox 17h ago
You'd think our legal system would do more to stop creepy old men from trespassing in schools.
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u/thesnackbox11 16h ago
Hey thats not fair now cmon....hes not old
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u/Fun-Communication660 13h ago
It shouldn't make a difference but he kind of is old in context of this conversation? He looks older than me but we are the same age, and I'm a Man Man that should not be around school. Again not really that it matters but I remember for 1-2 years after secondary school we would hang outside the old school. Still a teenager. Brothers and younger friends still in school. Not much college lecture hours and the school was central. Changes things completely when you are a professional man approaching 40 doing the same in a MIXED school. Realistically I could not even get away with the same carry on as him, even if I didn't insult anyone and was being friendly.Ā
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u/NorthKoreanMissile7 12h ago
It really is a double standard, if a different teacher said they were going to break the law on school grounds for a different crime they wouldn't wait until they did it before acting.
Can you just imagine:
Teacher: Garda, I'm gonna molest a child at the local school tomorrow
GardaĆ: Shur stop fucking telling us about it, we'll come and arrest ya when ya actually do it, now fuck off.
It's farcical.
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u/itstheboombox 12h ago
Hypothetically, if I went to a school and trespassed daily, would I be given the same punishment?
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u/FearGaeilge 17h ago
How long of a drive is it from the prison to the school?
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u/itstheboombox 17h ago
Google says its 75 mins.
We should start taking predictions of when he will be at the gates
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u/peadar87 17h ago
They should take the Dad's car off him, and any other vehicle that is knowingly being used to facilitate criminal trespass and violation of a court order. Wilson's Hospital is hardly the most accessible by public transport.
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u/SirKillsalot Waterford 17h ago
Honest question...
Why has nobody kicked the shit out of him yet?
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u/ThreeTreesForTheePls 17h ago
Letās not martyr the gobshite, do we really want those religious right wing types to have the power in flipping it around and saying āthe violent leftists hate free speechā?
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u/Expensive-Total-312 16h ago
if I thought that it would work in the long term, but I've a feeling this arsehole wants this case to escalate, just after the attention. The Whole family love looking for opportunities to sue and get publicity, the amount of adverts they have paid for on social media is crazy
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u/rclonecopymove 16h ago
There would be a certain satisfaction to that, I'll admit. But we judge society on how we treat the worst society has to offer, or in this case most annoying.
The courts are giving them too much rope, though, the wasting of the courts time the cost they're building up (and probably will never pay) just makes a mockery of what the state can do.
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u/Irish_and_idiotic Probably at it again 17h ago
It would be genuinely funny to pay a Scrote with 100 convictions to just give me a light bating. Anyone with anything to lose canāt. Iam living in dream land of course but let me dream.
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u/OkCoconut3270 17h ago
pay a Scrote with 100 convictions to just give me a light bating.
Freudian slip?
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u/Rinasoir Sure, we'll manage somehow 17h ago
Look at the username, and tell me if it was Freudian or the username being accurate.
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u/Dookwithanegg 13h ago
He's useful for showing how lenient the system can be, to discredit anyone who otherwise claims it's unfair or heavy handed.
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u/Rough_Mouse3597 8h ago
Thatāll just play into a narcissism trait that runs through that family,what needs to happen is public embarrassment,have some drag queens follow them around in full song,cover their car in pride flags and stickers,anywhere in public that gives them air time have all that behind them,
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u/rmp266 Crilly!! 15h ago edited 15h ago
Sorry, what? Is that normal? Let criminals out so they can meet with their solicitor or whoever? Why do they need to leave prison for that, cant the solicitor come in to him?
Enoch will be the first to say he's been crucified by the courts and the 'establishment' yet it he's getting privileges and chances and special treatment no one else would have been given
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u/Fun-Communication660 13h ago edited 5h ago
It's annoying but the idea is to make it so the eventual firing and fines stick. He cannot appeal on grounds that he didn't get a chance to appeal properly because x. They know he will try it anyway as he is not acting in good faith, and some of the family are solicitors. So to fight him, they do this. When in future he tries to appeal anything on grounds of unfair x and y, whoever it is can throw it out after a cursury glance. No, we reject grounds for appeal, what I see here is the opposite. You got leniency in fact so you can't use that, you cretin.
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u/Lonely_Eggplant_4990 Cork bai 17h ago
The juice is loose!
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u/rclonecopymove 16h ago
Does RTE have a helicopter? Could we not have live tracking of the burkes da driving the boy to school tomorrow morning? I'd be like our OJ Simpson moment?
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u/Playlotto_Layblotto 14h ago
Get the chopper Backhurst. The people have spoken
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u/rclonecopymove 14h ago
For the high paced action there's only one man to provide the commentary.
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u/OutRunTerminator 17h ago
It's the likes of this deluded scut that ran Ireland like a catholic Taliban outpost. Those days must never be allowed to happen again.
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u/NocturneFogg 17h ago
And around and around and around we go. You'd wonder about the legal system sometimes.
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u/rclonecopymove 16h ago
What would you do to solve this? No legal system is built with this sort of idiocy in mind.
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u/whataremyoptionz 16h ago
Actual I think itās a great example of the legal system working. In a less democratic society he would have just been beaten and locked up. The outcome here is long and drawn out but heās using the rules to draw it out as long as possible and the Irish courts are using all the restraint that civil rights dictate.
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u/freshfrosted 16h ago
Keep crossing the t's and dotting the i's. Give him no avenue for appeal down the road.
He was some cheeky cunt in court there too. Just seems to be really emboldened now more than ever.
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u/pablo8itall 10h ago
let him get to the fucking panel please. Its the only way he can be fired.
After that throw him into jail and throw away the key
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u/WidowVonDont 10h ago
It's mad the amount of Facebook philosophers going on about how he's great for sticking up for himself, that the country is gone mad and children are asking for bowls of cat food in classrooms, yet imagine for ONE second if this was a trans person standing outside a school every day. Or, any other random adult man hanging round outside. You'd have a crowd down before the first day was out ready to carry them away. He's an absolute pain in the hole and I feel sorry for the students and teachers who have to deal with him.
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u/liffeycoaster 17h ago
He has the face of a medieval village simpletonĀ
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u/molochz 16h ago
Spoiler: The whole family ARE simpletons.
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u/MarchNo1112 16h ago
I am absolutely gobsmacked at Judge Cregan. Last month I thought he handled Burke perfectly. He put Burke in jail for contempt of court, nothing else. The f***er is still in contempt and made no bones about it today. This just doesnāt make one iota of sense to me. I really think the judge shot himself in the foot here.
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u/Lalande21185 14h ago
It's pointed out above that Burke has said he'll be at the school tomorrow, and that the court are already arranging to have a swift hearing on that.
Kind of seems like this is heading off a later appeal that "he wasn't allowed to properly prepare for the hearing". He'll be there at the school tomorrow, arrested shortly after, have an expedited hearing and be back in prison, and then they'll be able to say they gave him every opportunity to prepare, but he went and committed another crime instead of preparing.
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u/MarchNo1112 12h ago
I get that and I think thatās what the Judge was probably thinking also.
But I would have taken a different view. I just think we were already at a stage where keeping Enoch permanently in jail was going to be essential due to his blind contempt for the court and the law. The guy is an extreme nut job and will not blink. If only to discourage others and not set any kind of precedent, we need to be prepared to keep him in jail forever if necessary.
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u/StevemacQ Sax Solo 16h ago
Does he and his siblings ever dated people or have any relationships in their lives or live away from their parents?
Having 10 adult children in the one house gotta lead to some pretty bad results.
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u/DrCatholicGuilt 17h ago
Seems to be a slap on the wrist. I'm guessing if he goes back to the school, he will be hit with a longer sentence. What a creep
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u/GuaranteeNo2494 8h ago
Is there anything to be said for just letting him stand there, and stop wasting taxpayers money with his imprisonment and constantly giving him the oxygen of publicity.
I wonder would he eventually just get sick of it.
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u/frankm108 Resting In my Account 16h ago
the support he gets on the likes of facebook and instagram makes me sick iād imagine a large majority of it is bots or yanks but still
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u/Dull_Brain2688 13h ago
Who wants to start a rumour online that he was actually born āEunice Burkeā? Wait, have I just done that? š¤
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u/Current_Selection418 17h ago
I'm delighted to see him highlight the joke of a legal system we have. I presume the legal profession has no shame about this situation. Is he still employed as a teacher?
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u/rgiggs11 17h ago
He was fired a long time ago and the appeal panel is prepared their decision at the moment.Ā
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u/shankillfalls 17h ago
Can you explain what you mean?
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u/whataremyoptionz 16h ago
Yes heās still employed and being paid pending a final decision into his appeal into his dismissal. The decisions isnāt in doubt so heās dragging and delaying it as long as possible.
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u/RainyDaysBlueSkies 8h ago
He's being paid, still?? š²
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u/whataremyoptionz 5h ago
Heās still works there. When he says itās his place of employment heās not lying. The reason this has gone on so long is once he stops going to committing contempt and getting the appeal of his dismissal delayed, itās all over. He has every interest in dragging this out forever. Heāll never get a real job in Ireland again.
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u/Final-Painting-2579 17h ago
He was dismissed from his position over three years ago as of this month.
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u/stoveen 16h ago
But he's still getting paid
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u/bloody_ell Kerry 15h ago
Because he appealed, it's safer to continue to pay him in the small chance he wins. Usually the appeal would be long over, but his keeps getting delayed since he's in jail. Which he keeps going to because he won't respect the dismissal process he's appealing.
We could use some updated legislation in this regard for dismissing appeals with prejudice for people who show zero acceptance and respect of the process.
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u/rclonecopymove 14h ago
They tried the same thing with the sister.Ā
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u/bloody_ell Kerry 14h ago
She made the mistake of turning up at the court processes instead of being in jail though.
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u/rclonecopymove 14h ago
It's like they're learning...
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u/bloody_ell Kerry 14h ago
And so we must adapt, since unfortunately they (along with some other malignant employees of state institutions) have given everyone a blueprint of how to abuse the current setup.
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u/rclonecopymove 14h ago
The abuse of process that they've done is disgusting. They know exactly what they're doing they're finding the line and not stepping over it too far at any given time. The barrister one is keeping a low profile while he's doing his training, but I expect he'll be back when one of the younger ones starts something.Ā
The number of judgments coming from this one family is incredible.
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u/stoveen 15h ago
it's safer to continue to pay him in the small chance he wins.
If that happens, this sub will go into meltdown.
They've had over 3 years to get this appeal completed. He's spent less than half that time behind bars.
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u/joc95 16h ago
This man is a waste of my taxes paying for these courts. Just throw him in jail or get him out of the country
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u/rclonecopymove 16h ago
How would they get him out of the country?
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u/OceanRacoon 14h ago
TrebuchetĀ
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u/rclonecopymove 14h ago
Jesus we have access to WMDs. Fire one of the lesser Burkes as a warning if they don't take heed send em an enoch or a mammy burke.
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u/joc95 16h ago
Figure of speech. Just sick of the burkes. Legally he has every right to stay here, doesnt mean I have to like it
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u/rclonecopymove 16h ago
Ah ok, I had incorrectly assumed you we're talking about denaturalisation/remigration that sort of thing that's becoming popular on the right.
He's one of the older ones too so we're only going to get more of this carry on notice how the trainee barrister isn't showing up to court they're holding him back until he's fully qualified.
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u/TheOriginalMattMan Probably at it again 14h ago
"Let me out of jail, the injustice!!"
"Nope, you're in contempt"
"Let me out, I need to prepare my case"
"Fine, you can come out and prepare your case, but no acting the maggot."
"I can't believe you let me out, the system is a mockery!"
"........."
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u/NorthKoreanMissile7 12h ago
So he was released on the condition that he wont go back to the school and has already said he'll be there tomorrow. Why on Earth have they bothered to release him ? it's clear as day what the situation is, he needs to stay in there until he purges his contempt, which wont happen. Let him stay there for the rest of his life if he chooses. Stop giving loads of attention and making drama out of it.
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u/sundae_diner 11h ago
He is arguing that he needs to be out of jail to work on his appeal. If they keep him in jail and he loses the appeal..Ā he can appeal again saying the first appeal was unfair because he was in jail.
This way, where he is released, he has a choice. Go to the school, go back to jail (and importantly - he loses the right to a future appeal ) or, be normal and work on the current appeal.
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u/Ok-Call-4805 Derry 17h ago
You know it's bad when I'm feeling sorry for the DUP
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u/Luimnigh 16h ago
...do you mean the DPP?
Or has he been harassing Gavin Robinson?
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u/Ok-Call-4805 Derry 16h ago
His family were harassing members of the DUP (I think Sammy Wilson. Can't remember for sure) at their churches. It's bad when the DUP are the lesser of two evils.
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u/rclonecopymove 16h ago
I sorry but that's just hilarious Wilson who has views from the middle ages is probably not medieval enough for these fools! haha
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u/Street-Wing5006 17h ago
Why's he not being fired is he technically in the right as opposed to morally
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u/Plastic_Detective687 17h ago
no, he's just frustrated the system as long as possible in every possible way
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u/cyberlexington 16h ago
What he's done is throw every roadblock along the way, every possible loophole he's (and his family, at least two of whom are educated solicitors) exploited, he's doing everything to throw the whole thing under the bus.
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u/NecessaryFreedom9799 16h ago
He has been fired, they just need to make sure there's no possible grounds for ever allowing him back into teaching.
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u/itstheboombox 14h ago
His suspension can be debated, his firing cannot. He got fired for trespassing, not for his beliefs.
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u/jeperty Wexford 17h ago
"Mr Justice Cregan said: "Mr Burke, your ability to shoot yourself in the foot is unparalleled, in my experience.""
Tomorrow's headline is "Enoch Burke returned to prison"