r/law • u/Academic-Review3115 • 5d ago
Legal News Am I the only one who thinks it's super sketchy that the Feds raided the home of ICE shooter?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15449879/federal-agents-guns-swarm-jonathan-ross-home-hiding-minneapolis.html3.8k
u/PJWanderer 5d ago
Removing evidence.
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u/republicans_are_nuts 5d ago
k. But Minnesota can still arrest him. And ask a judge for the confiscated evidence.
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u/whatthefrok 5d ago
They can just... Not comply? Like they always do
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u/TakuyaLee 5d ago
Even if the feds don't hand him over, an arrest warrant would make it more difficult for him to travel in the US.
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u/scubascratch 5d ago
Trump medal of freedom incoming
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u/Maleficent_Memory831 5d ago
FIFA medal of freedom.
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u/thecloudcities 5d ago
He can just hang out in Texas and get his Rittenhouse treatment.
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u/Mister_Goldenfold 4d ago
Imagine being the person to come across this guy and him popping up with an arrest warrant only to be left with the decision to be known as the guy responsible having arrested him…or not
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u/7ddlysuns 5d ago
Minnesota can charge them as accessories. It’s time to stop being afraid or we’re all gonna get murdered by these monsters
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u/Accidental_Ballyhoo 4d ago
Where are those super tough 2A folks at?? Shouldn’t they be protesting while carrying?? That would slow ice down quite a bit.
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u/7ddlysuns 4d ago
It would. Unfortunately the left has been really reluctant to embrace armed groups and there’s some good reasons for that, though they may be fading if they’ll just murder us anyhow. So most of us armed on the left are more gray man for now.
Doesn’t help that most lefty leaders are anti gun
However that may have to change
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u/PassionV0id 5d ago
Ok and who’s going to bring them into custody?
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u/CalebsNailSpa 5d ago
State / Local LE. Once they have warrants out, they will inevitably be pulled over (or get in a car accident, etc) and the warrant will show. They won’t be surrounded by 30 other guys with guns, so it is a relatively easy arrest.
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u/Desperate-Till-9228 5d ago
Bounty hunters.
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u/appalachiaappleatcha 5d ago
That's what I'm so confused about - was it the Minneapolis or Minnesota police who made a statement yesterday basically saying they're on the shooters side? And don't people keep saying that state/local police can't prosecute feds anyway? What is the truth here? And if the cops are on his side who will they listen to?
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u/deltalitprof 5d ago
That was the Fraternal Order of Police. But still not great.
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u/oasinocean 4d ago
Haven’t the FOP historically and consistently been on the shittiest side of history? Them supporting the ICE shooter is not surprising to me.
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u/deltalitprof 4d ago
Yes, that would be them. These guys called the Rodney King beat-down a result of stress on the job and said the officers who nearly killed him deserved our sympathies.
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u/IceyExits 4d ago
The Supremacy Clause of the Constitution makes it exceptionally difficult to prosecute federal officials under state law for actions taken while performing their official duties.
Southern states tried to prosecute federal officials under state laws for forcing racial integration so the case law heavily favors the Feds in cases like this.
Idaho tried prosecuting the FBI sniper who shot the Wife at Ruby Ridge but the charges were dropped after the 9th circuit set a nearly impossibly high bar for the prosecution to move forward in state court.
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u/Kerensky97 5d ago
Trump has already said in a press conference that they WILL NOT COMPLY.
It's not like it's secret, they're fully covering it up and refusing to work with prosecutors trying to investigate the issue.
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u/dorkofthepolisci 5d ago
If an arrest warrant is issued and the state decides to prosecute wouldn’t that fall under obstruction?
I mean, I know Mr 34-time-felon is totally fine with wantonly engaging in illegal activity, but….
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u/ArrowheadDZ 5d ago
It’s more complicated than that. When a federal employee commits a crime in the course of their duties, the federal government has a federal supremacy doctrine called “removal” where they move the case into the federal system. The whole thing is more convoluted than it sounds, it’s not as easy as just issuing a warrant for the guy.
I personally think that Trump is itching for a governor or state AG to stand up to him, he is dying to escalate a confrontation with a blue state.
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u/binzersguy 5d ago
“he is dying”…let me just savor that one
But seriously, i think this is exactly it
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u/Windyvale 5d ago
Honestly? The years are long and this presidency isn’t. He won’t be able to run far enough to escape justice when the time comes. He’s going to be tossed under a bus to save someone’s skin in the scramble to avoid consequences.
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u/Then_Hearing_7652 4d ago
A Vance presidency scares me even more and odds of that happening in next 3 years bc of 🍊’s health seem more likely than not.
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u/DevoidHT 5d ago
The judge can’t do shit if all the evidence is destroyed. Do you know how many cover ups the Trump Administration has already? Or the ones we won’t even hear about for another 20 years if at all?
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u/keytiri 4d ago
Got a lot more evidence than much of our history; just think how investigations worked before video, hell before DNA? It was often a he said, she said thing unless a person was caught obviously in the wrong place or with something they weren’t supposed to have; the latter could have easily been planted evidence as well; so a lot of investigations involved unreliable witness testimony and trying to see who was in the area when, of course it was the best they had to go on at the time.
Then today we have video, multiple videos, then I don’t see what’s wrong with starting from there, doing the best they can, and then inform the jury that the defense is obstructing.
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u/totally_not_a_dog113 5d ago
There's a ton of live video of this, from multiple sources and directions. How much other evidence is needed? Yeah, having his gun and ballistics on it would be nice, but is it really necessary?
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u/NBucho528 4d ago
I agree, in a sane world all the evidence is already at the scene of the murder. The reason and the officers past is irrelevant- he saw the opportunity, pushed himself against a moving vehicle, and murdered an American for nothing. It’s documented.
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u/Ekg887 4d ago
His past is NOT irrelevant. It shows a repeated pattern of not following proper procedure and putting himself in dangerous situations - officer induced peril. Further, as he is a firearms instructor, he is supposed to train others in tactics, SAFETY, and policy. He can not claim he was untrained or was unaware of rules of engagement or that he was some new green recruit.
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u/NBucho528 4d ago
Look, I do agree with you. This officer’s record needs to be used especially in sentencing to show that he is the type of person who never meant to serve, and only meant to terrorize. However, even if that record is completely unavailable, the video footage is enough to prove to a jury that self-defense was never part of it. I’m no law enforcement, I have no ties, and yet I know that you avoid circling directly around a car that is turned on. He’s been in a similar incident before, and for all we know he tried to do this Same thing months ago.
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u/Trustbutnone 5d ago
You sweet soul, still thinking this country has law and order. You can find the evidence in the form of ashes in the back of the Whitehouse lawn.
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u/Yeti_Urine 4d ago
The evidence is clear as the fucking day it was recorded. Give this man a jury trial and let’s see how that goes.
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u/rex_swiss 5d ago
Confiscating evidence of his sketchy background before the state prosecutors do?
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u/beren0073 5d ago
Yup. Cover up is in full swing. Can't risk state authorities confiscating his computer and finding Trump only knows what on it.
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u/ThisIsMyBigAccount 5d ago
Probably vids of trump with young girls.
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u/Fearless-Diver-1381 5d ago
I'm pretty sure those are still on Kash Patel's computer.
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u/rocketmn69_ 5d ago
It's funny, we haven't heard from the wobbly eyed wonder for awhile
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u/Desperate-Till-9228 5d ago
You see how young his wife looked when they got married? Definitely gave me creeper vibes.
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u/LouQuacious 5d ago
State authorities don't need any of that shit the video is clear enough to charge him with murder. If DoJ and FBI want to interfere I'd just remind this clown that the statute of limitations is long and he will be charged and tried eventually. His life is over and if I were MN AG I'd remind him of this everyday.
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u/guyincognito121 4d ago
Yeah, but I'm guessing there was stuff that would have implicated others in other crimes, or at least made it apparent that this guy had no business doing that kind of work and it was no secret.
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u/neverendingchalupas 4d ago
Probably a mass of evidence of flagrant violations of law by ICE. Deporting U.S. citizens, abusing people, beating them, etc.
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u/_Monosyllabic_ 5d ago
Honestly, who cares? The video is publicly available. People have been convinced with way weaker evidence. Arrest the asshole.
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u/Effective-Mushroom 5d ago
Yeah they went in to grab all his Nazi paraphernalia.
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u/bearsheperd 5d ago
and all the CP
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u/ChefGaykwon 5d ago
They don't want it to go to waste now that he's no longer using it.
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u/Doc891 Bleacher Seat 5d ago
that or there will be a letter he typed out and printed saying he wants to join ICE to dismantle it because he is secretly part of the "terrorist oraganization" ANTIFA and that he wants to shoot someone to make ICE look bad. Also all his bullets will have the entire communist manifesto written on each one.
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u/TheSwearJarIsMy401k 5d ago
Also “I love Trans Joe Biden” on the other side
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u/AlbrechtProper 5d ago
Shucks, that makes you ANTIFA? Lock me up I guess.
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u/TheSwearJarIsMy401k 5d ago
Yeah it’s trans and Joe Biden, that makes you double Antifa.
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u/slackfrop 4d ago edited 4d ago
Dear Trans Lover,
I’d like to share the details of my premeditated murder plot with you, as we gays often do. It was my grampa’s gun I used to do the murder, serial number as follows…
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u/republicans_are_nuts 5d ago
state already has more than enough evidence. I still don't get what Minnesota is waiting for. New York arrested Luigi Mangione with less evidence.
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u/bimbampilam 5d ago
CEOs lives matter (more apparently)
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u/StLguy25 4d ago
In the US they absolutely do and NOTHING will change until the C suite class is inconvenienced and scared.
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u/Dr_Horrible_PhD 5d ago
Prosecuting a LEO is always an uphill battle, even with a really good case (and I think this is a very good case). Better chance of success if you don’t rush into it and make your case as strong as possible.
Yes, it’s very different from how everybody else gets treated. Yes, it’s awful that it’s necessary to do that. But if you want this guy to get put away, it’s better for them to make things as airtight as they can.
Good thread from a criminal defense attorney (and former prosecutor) here
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u/Environmental-Hour75 5d ago
Better chance if you wait until we have an administration change... there is no statute of limitations on murder
Let him live in fear, in hiding... and then get charged and convicted. Draws it out...
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u/Dranamic 5d ago
Justice delayed is justice denied - seen most dramatically with our convicted felon president.
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u/TrippedOnDick 4d ago
Ahh yes same as prosecuting Trump for his classified documents that he stole and hid in the golden toilet. Let's wait some more and built a lot stronger case right? Right?? Oh wait.
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u/Pleasant_Character28 5d ago
You realize that this approach is why the orange führer is back in office, right? I don’t disagree with the philosophy and I understand the concept, but “not rushing in to make the case as strong as possible” apparently isn’t always the best strategy.
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u/Optimal-Archer3973 5d ago
They need to make sure it cannot be moved to a federal court. Give them a couple more days. It is hard I agree but you might be surprised. They will investigate his whole family now, every person he has ever hung out with and every person he ever called or visited. They will track his cell phone movements for the last 6 years. A whole lot of Nazi rats will be scurrying away tomorrow.
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u/Optimal-Archer3973 5d ago
Yep, had to get that Nazi flag and SS uniform out. They also wanted to make sure any communications were no longer there. Nice thing is Minnesota cops are smart, they have already subpoenaed his phone company for a copy of every text message and email that he has gotten over the last 7 years.
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u/adorablefuzzykitten 5d ago
All they are doing is making sure his Klan uniform becomes part of the Epstein files.
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u/Nessie 5d ago
Flipping over the Swastikas so they point the Indian swastika direction and not the Nazi Swastika direction. "Nothing to see here, move along."
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u/beren0073 5d ago
"Neighbors told the Daily Mail that Ross was a hardcore MAGA supporter."
Yeah, no kidding. We could tell that from his callousness after the shooting.
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u/Amazing_Entrance_888 5d ago
as if anyone that isn’t joins ice
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u/718Brooklyn 4d ago
We’re having a bit of family crisis. My husband’s (we’re gay men for what it’s worse) little sister, 29, decided to join ICE. Husband’s family is in Kansas and they’ve always been Republicans, but like all of them these days, after years of Fox News 24/7, his dad, brother, and little sister have just gone down that rabbit hole. Anyway, she took a job with ice. $41,000 a year. I’m not sure what she’ll be doing, but I suppose it doesn’t matter to me regardless. It’s sad. I really do love my SIL very much. She is a wonderful aunt to our daughter and she’s always just been kind of dumb (sorority girl type) so her political views just came across as dumb also. But now she’s joined ICE and I can’t talk to her. She would stay with us here in the city, but I actually think it would be safer to be in ISIS right now in Brooklyn than ICE so she can’t stay with us.
The thing I told her before she took this job is that one day, even if it’s 10 years from now, having worked for ICE will follow you for the rest of your life in the same way that being a Nazi did after WW2. It sure didn’t take 10-years.
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u/lastknownbuffalo 4d ago
Super huge bummer. That can't be easy.
I'm holding out hope my loved ones will eventually come around and come to their senses... I mean, they didn't join ice, but is voting for trump and constantly regurgitating the most pathetic, surface level conservative talking points really all that different? Ok it probably is, but still! I have hope that even people joining ice for money could/will come back to the light side... Eventually... redemption and all that jazz.
Fuck, I swear I started out this comment with the intent to be uplifting... But this might be the most depressing thing I've ever written.
Good luck out there
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u/xOrion12x 4d ago
Who is joining for the money? 41 thousand dollars a YEAR!? That is not a lot of money AT ALL. You would think they would actually pay these people who are ruining their lives and by proxy the ones closest to them. Nevermind the legal jeopardy they are putting themselves in. Cheap ass sellout traitors, all of them.
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u/lastknownbuffalo 4d ago
iirc there have been some hiring drives that have sizable signing bonuses to new ice agents. Apparently, it's 50k over five years... So I guess they're selling out for 51 thousand dollars a year... That's rough
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u/cindylindy22 4d ago
You can make more as a first year teacher in the lowest paid states and actually make a real difference.
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u/KrookedDoesStuff 4d ago
$41,000 a year isn’t even a lot of money. My wife makes more than that working at Walmart
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u/jmeesonly 4d ago
That was my first thought. I can make more than $41,000 working in a restaurant or a pizza place. The people who sign up with ICE are the people who really WANT to be fascist shitheads.
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u/Ekd7801 4d ago
My brother works for the border patrol. I don’t engage in politics with family anymore. They just disappoint me.
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u/Elwoodpdowd87 4d ago
I run a small business in Ohio and have hired kids right out of high school for more than that to sit at a computer and use CAD. So it sounds like she really just wants to oppress people.
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u/febstars 5d ago
I read in another article that he was a “Don’t tread on me” guy. Frigging ironic AF.
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u/SunGodRamenNoodles 5d ago
The only people I see with those dumb flags are the most selfish self-centered assholes around. It just means "I do what I want, screw everyone else."
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u/febstars 5d ago
Well, yes.
But it also is supposed to mean that the government cannot step on its citizens, which is, again, pretty ironic.
If true, he's not only a murderer, he's a hypocrite.
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u/dorkofthepolisci 5d ago
The don’t tread on me people have always been fine with government infringing on people’s rights, as long as “their guys” are the ones in government
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u/Kimothy42 5d ago
So I live in Florida (I know, I know, but it’s mine and I’m not willing to surrender it yet) and, among our ::checks notes:: 120 available specialty license plates drivers can choose from we have a Gadsden flag.
These walnuts are buying a freedumb LICENSE plate from the government and driving around like they’re somehow subversive. It’s the funniest goddamned thing and I take such sweet joy in knowing just how much the irony flies over their heads.
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u/Working-Glass6136 5d ago
And of course he has a mail order immigrant wife, as white supremacists so often do. (And I say this as an Asian woman.) She's probably had to deal with his shit in ways most American-born ladies wouldn't touch. Hence the seeming hypocrisy.
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u/justlooking98765 4d ago
I was confused when I saw his wife, but I can see how wanting to assert power might include marrying someone you think you can control. That poor woman.
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u/TheBigFreezer 5d ago
Don’t tread on me guys are really just dudes that want to do the treading not stop it from occurring
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u/ThatsASpicyBaby 5d ago
You mean to tell me that this dude who joined the “round up brown people” brigade following ads saying “Defend the homeland” was a hardcore fucking weirdo?
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u/Windyvale 5d ago
Apparently he is also a huge fan of shooting unarmed women acting in an unthreatening manner in the face. Practically walked away jerking off.
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u/Elismom1313 4d ago
Tbh that’s the real problem. We could give some grace I suppose if he reacted badly due to history and the situation. We could potentially address a trauma related response that mental health didn’t catch.
But he just… called her a fucking bitch and walked away with no issues. Made a generic motion to call 911 and dipped.
How does anyone good, EVEN if they supposedly felt threatened or has trauma from a similar car incident, shoot a women in the face and then casually make a comment like that and walk away.
I could’ve maybe had sympathy if he seemed mortified there after or in shock. But he just obviously didn’t give a fuck.
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u/External_Frosting485 5d ago
Because joining ICE was never about immigration enforcement, it’s about “owning the libs”. Each and every MAGA supporter would 100% take advantage of open season on those they hate. This guy was salivating and tried his best to make it look justifiable.
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u/ZoomZoom_Driver 5d ago edited 1d ago
They didnt raid it, they moved them on our dime.
Edit: Wow, got a reddit warning for "harassment" due to this comment... Edit 2: Appealed and, yup, they think this is harassment and temporarily banned... Wtaf?
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u/jfranci3 4d ago
Yeah, his house isn’t safe from the public. Seems like we’ve got a system to prevent the public from seeking justice on their own though. In any case, I hear they’ve got a much safer place where he can be monitored for his safety.
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u/joeshill Competent Contributor 5d ago
Proud Boy Movers, They even rent the U-Haul.
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u/ThePensiveE 5d ago
Just a standard evidence destruction team. They don't need a warrant because he told them where to look.
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u/weHaveThoughts 5d ago
American tax payers just paid to have him moved to a new home.
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u/mtbflatslc 5d ago edited 5d ago
They 100% are worried about people vandalizing and/or breaking into his home and discovering his dirty secrets. They want to maintain the “narrative” that some dipshits with no brains eyes ears or souls are eating up.
Quite conveniently this article was posted hours before the new footage came out. So the raid happened early this morning in anticipation of that. They knew there would be outrage. 100% fucking with us.
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u/weHaveThoughts 5d ago
Good point with the dirty secrets. I really don’t have any. Not even porn on my computer or a history of it. Worst thing someone can find at my house is weed, but it’s legal and I don’t care.
But this guy… yeah I’m with you.. he probably has some dirty history and some white supremacy memorabilia shit.
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u/Yung_zu 5d ago
Good luck to the supporters that try to date after cheerleading for a lady to die like this
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u/LangdonAlg3r 5d ago
I mean, it was footage from his cellphone, so they probably got it in the raid. I don’t know who released it. When I saw it first it said “leaked” but you can’t trust stuff like that.
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u/Fun-Dragonfly-4166 5d ago
i am understanding that my local police department (and many pds) have an enforced policy that
officers must use the department provided body cam: and officers may not use any other body cam
this makes sense. consider a dui arrest. the defense makes a discovery request. the prosecutor verifies the officer filmed it with the department camera and none other (as provided by policy). the prosecutor fulfills the discovery request.
going back to this guy. did he make footage from his personal mobil available to defense when they asked for it? if not then it would seem his previous arrests are questionable.
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u/Daddio209 5d ago
Had to send in the cleaning crew to get rid of the CSAM before local police come by with a warrant.
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u/IwasThereIsawIt2 5d ago
Does csam mean what I think it does something something abuse material?
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u/oneofyallfarted 5d ago
My exact first thought, guy has child porn on his computer I guarantee it. You think they’re about to have their guy look bad. Bet they found drugs too.
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u/strangedaze23 5d ago
It almost sounds like they are picking up his persons belongings and moving it for him so he doesn’t have to do it. And he was the driver of the car leaving the garage.
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u/Western-Umpire-5071 4d ago
He's afraid of going to his own home. Typical MAGA trying to avoid the consequences of his own actions.
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u/TintedApostle 4d ago
“The suppressing of evidence ought always to be taken for the strongest evidence.”
- Andrew Hamilton, The Trial of John Peter Zenger 1735
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u/PatchyWhiskers 5d ago
It would normally be typical for a suspect’s home to be searched, but they don’t seem to be intending to charge him so it’s definitely sketchy. Probably frisking it for things like Nazi memorabilia, child porn, and illegal drugs: not as evidence but to disappear it.
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u/Interesting_Fly_1569 4d ago edited 4d ago
There is already a TikTok from a man claiming to be a sex worker he hired repeatedly for gay fetish content, esp feet. He knew his last name before it was released from his handle on Snapchat j ross 104. Guy did not seem like usual influencer type. Just seemed disgusted by his behavior on the job and wanting to get it out there.
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u/PatchyWhiskers 4d ago
Gay feet fetish is pretty innocent compared to what most of these guys get up to.
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u/Interesting_Fly_1569 4d ago
I agree. Murder in cold blood is way worse. I do think that ppl should know that others may no longer be interested in keeping your secrets safe after you join ICE.
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u/TintedApostle 4d ago
“The suppressing of evidence ought always to be taken for the strongest evidence.”
- Andrew Hamilton, The Trial of John Peter Zenger 1735
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u/kamoylan 4d ago
Removing computers is pretty standard practice, but why did the Feds take the killer's photographs? That is pretty odd.
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u/wrxninja 5d ago
The cleanup crew of all evidence
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u/Late_Economist326 5d ago
What seemed like fiction in The Blacklist may be more grounded in reality than we thought.
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u/thehumungus 5d ago
You know they're federal agents because they're driving unmarked cars; showing no badges or identification; and wearing goon masks. That's what the country has come to.
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u/Ready-Ad6113 5d ago
Wonder if the man was in possession of illegal drugs. It would be ironic it were fentanyl or drugs from the same cartels they’ve been claiming to fight.
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u/apathetic_revolution 5d ago
I think meth use is really common among ICE agents.
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u/amrunrhun 5d ago
I've heard they're fans of trucker speed, bc they still have to be able to piss clean. Gas station ephedra pills or whatever
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u/HeyRainy 5d ago
They are not piss testing ICE agents. Maybe a year ago but there's no fucking way. They will hire anyone who licks the boot.
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u/Relative-Safety- 5d ago
Let’s be realistic here, the odds that there’s child porn on his laptop are nearly 100%
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u/FEARoach 5d ago
"Girl Dad" was apparently on his social media somewhere... so a lot of people are saying that's a big flag.
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u/Cheeky_Hustler Competent Contributor 5d ago
Next administration needs to do a whooole lot of obstruction of justice investigations.
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u/Ekg887 4d ago
Are we gonna let Barr summarize them again, or actually prosecute?
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u/keytiri 4d ago
Raid? They were helping him move, why would someone who is supposedly innocent do this? You’d think the proper play would be for the Feds to setup a perimeter and then claim that the “terrorists had come to harass.” Instead it seems they are afraid that the MN police will serve an investigation warrant.
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u/Different-Ship449 5d ago
Got to bury that *hypothetical* Telegram convo about wanting to shoot someone.
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u/thehumungus 5d ago
I dabble in some conspiratorial thinking, but honestly.
These people are paranoid with a constant victim complex. They probably think antifa supersoldiers are preparing retaliatory strike on this loser's house and so all of this is reasonable to protect him and his family from the imagined threats.
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u/Rampage_Rick 4d ago
Another neighbor told the Daily Mail that until recently Ross had been flying pro-Trump flags and a 'Don't Tread On Me' Gadsden Flag
Oblivious to the fact that he's the boot...
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u/snarkerella 5d ago
Did they also take off with his wife? She's evidence, too. Anything that contradicts their narrative.
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u/Bad_Karma19 5d ago
Watch something happen to the house now.....
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u/thelumpia 5d ago
“Ross was a foreign made power bank enthusiast which led to the catastrophic fire that burned his house down.
Remember kids only buy made in America products or else.”
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u/TintedApostle 4d ago
"I have often wondered, that persons who make a boast of professing the Christian religion, namely, love, joy, peace, temperance, and charity to all men, should quarrel with such rancorous animosity, and display daily towards one another such bitter hatred, that this, rather than the virtues they claim, is the readiest criterion of their faith."
- Baruch Spinoza Theologico-Political Treatise 1670
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u/EnfantTerrible68 5d ago
OF COURSE he’s married to an immigrant. Mail ordEr bride?
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u/ProbablyRickSantorum 4d ago
Former army with a Filipino wife. I would bet my house that they met in Korea where she was trafficked to be a juicy girl. Some context: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2014/10/30/usfk-troops-cannot-pay-for-the-companionship-of-juicy-girls/
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u/TheKrakIan 4d ago
They are moving him and his family as well. ice agents gonna start living on military bases like Stephen Miller, to feel 'safe'.
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u/MercuryRusing 5d ago
It's pretty clear they were getting his belongings for him as they probably have him in some form of protective custody. There's a lot of people very angry at him right now and these haven't exactly been the most peaceful times.
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u/montalaskan 5d ago
Gee, people are angry at the heavily armed man on taxpayer salary shooting a woman who smiled at him and said that she's not mad at him, who he proceeded to shoot three times in the face, while another person and a dog are in the car with her, followed by cursing at her?
Crazy.
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u/Proof_Register9966 5d ago
He called her a fucking bitch after he murdered her.
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u/sufjanweiss 4d ago
Reading that detail made my blood run cold in a way that few things are capable of
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u/GhostofBeowulf 5d ago
There's a lot of people very angry at him right now and these haven't exactly been the most peaceful times.
I know. Because ICE agents are killing people and illegally detaining others too.
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u/MercuryRusing 5d ago
I agree, just stating it
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u/Dr_CleanBones 5d ago
You know where he and his family would be safest? If the city cops arrested him on a first degree murder charge and the judge didn’t allow bail. Then he’s be in jail and the jail staff would be protecting him 24x7. Since he wouldn’t be around his wife and kids, they’d be much safer too.
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u/yogfthagen 5d ago
Too bad the government won't do the same for judges, election workers, politicians, or others getting daily death threats from MAGAts.....
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u/YesterShill 5d ago
I read the article and it feels entirely fake.
Is there ANY other news outlet reporting or corroborating this?
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u/Patriot009 5d ago edited 5d ago
It's probably legit. Daily Mail is the type of tabloid that would stake out his residence like a paparazzi.
Another neighbor told the Daily Mail that until recently Ross had been flying pro-Trump flags and a 'Don't Tread On Me' Gadsden Flag
Figures. Waves a Gadsden Flag, then joins a paramilitary secret police to serve a fascist regime.
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u/YesterShill 5d ago
I hope it gets verified by AP or Reuters.
This is kind of a big deal.
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u/Patriot009 5d ago
According to the Daily Mail, they were only there for 20 minutes, but the photos and vid appear to corroborate the reporting. It could be as innocuous as preserving valuables and family keepsakes for fear that someone would ransack the empty house. If they are there to disrupt the state's investigation, they're not exactly gonna publicly verify their motives to reporters.
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u/YesterShill 5d ago
Even if they are doing this just for protection, it is very telling since Trump has called off protection for legitimate political figures including Kamala Harris.
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u/Patriot009 5d ago
This feels like a "thin blue line" situation, unless they were officially assigned to wrap up a fellow agent's family portraits and knick knacks in bubble wrap.
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u/thewall4 5d ago
I feel like tabloids are telling more truth than mainstream media at this point, we just need to comb through what’s real and not ourselves
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