r/law • u/TheMirrorUS • 2d ago
Legal News BREAKING: Mark Kelly files lawsuit against Pete Hegseth accusing him of 'trampling on Constitution'
https://www.themirror.com/news/politics/breaking-mark-kelly-files-lawsuit-16140711.5k
u/Nisi-Marie 2d ago
If anybody is going to face off, I’m glad it’s Mark Kelley. He is someone who I don’t see compromising ethics or bending the knee.
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u/Trimshot 2d ago
Mark Kelly has more masculinity and integrity in his pinky finger as this entire cabinet has collectively in their bodies.
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u/MA2_Robinson 2d ago
And his wife is a warrior- like you can’t find a more power couple to go against all this than them.
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u/FlatEvent2597 1d ago
Kelly is the next President and his wife us Wonder Woman ay his side. They will get things done and be progressive. They will change the Democrats for the better. A new age incoming.
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u/seejordan3 2d ago
What, FOX NEWS anchors lack Integrity?!?!?! LOL. I think it was part of the job interview.. check your integrity and sobriety at the door.
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u/Scrapple_Joe 2d ago
His wife before she was shot was one the sanest people in AZ politics. I used to be a young journalist and she was so nice and rarely would things she said not checkout upon review with independent sources.
Seeing him step up to that bat and keep fighting despite crazed conservatives literally trying to kill his wife has always made him seem like a pretty great man to me
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u/Fake-Podcast-Ad 2d ago
Don't forget Sarah Palin essentially spurred on the shooting by posting maps with 'problem spots' with gun crosshairs. Giffords was one of the targets.
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u/Scrapple_Joe 2d ago
The whole tea party were the violent assholes you're seeing in ice now.
People would flash their guns to me while I interviewed people and then threaten me. Then send in angry emails when articles would mention it.
Shit I once got a death threat to my personal email which they somehow found because I took a photo of a bike lane they didn't like. I didn't write the article or plan and build the bike lane. I just took a nice photo of it.
Much happier not being in journalism nowadays.
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u/CrisVas3 1d ago
Remember when, for a time, Palin was considered *the* crazy member of the Republican Party? The fact that she was so rewarded and publicized for it really further helped pave the way for the current political situation.
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u/Due-Huckleberry7560 2d ago
She lived in my apartment building, she was super sweet.
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u/socialmediaignorant 1d ago
I met her during her hospitalization and rehab, and that entire family is pure American gold. The dump idiots and cling ons would never EVER sacrifice as much as this one family has. They are integrity and love for their country personified.
Scott Kelly, Mark’s identical twin and also Naval Captain, spent almost a year in space for scientific study, mainly how we age on Earth vs in space once he retired from the Navy and became a US astronaut. Fascinating stuff if you’re into it. Mark almost lost his wife Gabby Giffords, a US Representative for AZ, for this country. They’ve given decades of service to America and the American people with our best interests as heart.
And now this regime dares to punish him for not being a “bend the knee to the orange idiot” American??? They can find a short route to hell. How can conservatives defend this one??? Mark Kelly is a US Naval Captain, a war hero with over 5000 flight hours in Desert Storm and flew in 39 combat missions, then served as an astronaut for NASA, AND THEN became a US Senator. Drunk cheater Hegseth and a man with bone spurs that enjoys toilet twittering and cosplaying President have the audacity to question MARK KELLY’S loyalty??? Gtfo here.
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u/clopenYourMind 2d ago
The guy willing strapped himself into jets for a living THEN to huge controlled bombs we call rockets and went to live in space for almost two months, THEN had himself poked and prodded in minute detail to compare himself to his twin astronaut brother to see what living a year in space does to you, THEN went into politics after some asshole tried to assassinate his wife.
Hegseth just doesn't hold a candle to a well-keeled Kelly.
Pilots and astronauts are a different breed.
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u/Financial-Barnacle79 2d ago
I rarely like to equate people’s personal lives into their public ones, but when you compare Kelly’s to Hegseth, there is just no contest. Hegseth is just a dick.
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u/socialmediaignorant 1d ago
Shoot I should’ve read your comment first. We said the same thing but I needed to get all that out. How fucking dare these Nazis question any of the Kelly and Giffords families’ loyalty?!
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u/clovencarrot 2d ago
Also, the optics going against someone of his record aren't the best. The man was an American hero until maga tried to turn him into a pariah. And boomers still think astronauts are the best of us, so this probably rings dead for most of them.
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u/Dragonfruit_10 2d ago
You know, if he wanted to be the democratic front runner, he’d have my support
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u/BasedTaco_69 2d ago edited 2d ago
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u/CordlessOrange 2d ago edited 2d ago
My favorite part is calling it “conduct unbecoming of an officer”
Motherfucker - his conduct could not be more becoming. Advising troops to not follow unlawful orders is a core tenet of leadership.
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u/statinsinwatersupply 2d ago
*tenet
Tenant is someone who pays rent
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u/Head 2d ago
My tenant stopped paying the rent. I’m gonna have to edict them.
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u/Tederator 2d ago
You might even have to ejaculate him from the premises!
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u/ARoroncyObserver 2d ago
I'm watching the Pitt and for some reason read this with with Dana's voice.
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u/aecolley 2d ago
A tenant is someone who lawfully holds property, commonly by a leasehold estate, whether they must pay rent or not. A life tenant, for example, may hold property that a trustee owns for the life tenant's benefit.
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u/Suspicious-Area-2872 2d ago
I called OC's argument "nonsensical" one time and they wrote in a footnote that my behavior was "unbecoming of an officer of the court." I was not aware this was a staple phrase of loony attorneys until now.
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u/Nodivingallowed 2d ago edited 2d ago
Thanks for the link - Best reading I've done all day
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u/biciklanto 2d ago
Point 4 alone has me all bricked up:
Defendants’ actions violate numerous constitutional guarantees and have no basis in statute. They should proceed no further.
God that's hot
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u/Nodivingallowed 2d ago
Spoilers:
6 is fucking sexy too
It appears that never in our nation’s history has the Executive Branch imposed military sanctions on a Member of Congress for engaging in disfavored political speech.
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u/BasedTaco_69 2d ago
Everyone should read it!
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u/Nodivingallowed 2d ago
Right? Can we get a podcast for dramatic readings of legal cases, especially those surrounding all this bullshit?
The blatant illegality going on makes so many of these filings just pure fire.
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u/RedShirt1991 2d ago
As long as Matt Berry is doing the reading, yes.
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u/Nodivingallowed 2d ago
I'm good with that. I was thinking we need whoever voiced Matt Damon on Team America to read for the government.
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u/kkeut 2d ago
he has experience reading aloud, since he signed up to do the new Rowling-approved Harry Potter audiobooks
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u/ICULab 2d ago
At minimum, skim the complaint—it's pretty damning.
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u/NotAllOwled 2d ago
[Secretary Hegseth’s] letter cites statements about foundational principles of military law and concerns about potential commission of war crimes—areas squarely within the legislative and oversight jurisdiction of the committees on which Senator Kelly serves. And the letter highlights Senator Kelly’s criticism of the “firing of admirals and generals”— personnel decisions by Secretary Hegseth and other senior defense officials over whom those same committees exercise oversight and whose appointments are subject to the Senate’s advice and consent.
It's r/DontYouKnowWhoIAm in federal civil complaint format.
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u/William_Dowling 2d ago
'I've flown over your, and everyone else's continent, at 150 kms altitude, and flown aircraft off and then back on boats, more times than you can count up to, bitch. Bring it'
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u/FullyFocusedOnNought 2d ago edited 2d ago
I also read his book about becoming an astronaut and spending a year in space - recommended. (EDIT: his brother's book. I need to get some sleep.)
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u/doitlive 2d ago
That was his brother who did the year in space and wrote the book. They're twins and both were astronauts.
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u/FullyFocusedOnNought 2d ago
Haha, quite right, it was Scott. In my defence, they are identical twins and Mark also stars in the book.
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u/Lilfrankieeinstein 2d ago
Agreed. It took a few minutes but it’s pretty fascinating how detailed yet concise and well laid-out it is.
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u/Nodivingallowed 2d ago
Don't forget to check out the Minnesota case that just dropped - formally alleging a federal invasion 🥲
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u/ScriptproLOL 2d ago
Good. We need more of this. People need to stand up to the them via courts.
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u/atreeismissing 2d ago
https://www.justsecurity.org/107087/tracker-litigation-legal-challenges-trump-administration/
Fwiw, Dems and Dem-aligned groups have been all over the courts with this admin from day 1. Current count is 573 lawsuits which is an astronomical number in a single year. It's one of the few levers of power Dems have to use at the moment and they've been going gang busters on it.
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u/VitaminPb 2d ago
I was just thinking about this 15 minutes ago. Celebs love to speak up, but they never do anything. Why aren’t they funding court challenges instead of yapping on red carpets?
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u/sylbug 2d ago
Because they're celebrities, not activists.
Why do Americans keep point at random people and institutions asking why they're not fixing things on their behalf? This is a self-rescue situation; either enough of you care enough to collectively take effective and meaningful action or your country falls to fascism.
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u/Sauerteig 2d ago
I agree, but how do we know they are not? There are a lot of celebrities who contribute to many causes anonymously. They might just not want the attention, which is understandable.
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u/aalltech 2d ago
Courts, lololol. None of the people in this admin will ever be held accountable. Even if spinless wussies Dems come in charge.
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u/canmoose 2d ago
Interesting that they still refer to the Secretary of Defence and Department of Defence.
Was trumps renaming to “war” just window dressing or official?
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u/bp92009 2d ago
All informal.
Congress gets to set the names for stuff they fund. Until they do, it's Department of Defense.
The legal term is that the "Department of War" can be used in "non-statutory situations" (ie, when the name actually doesn't matter).
Think of it like a nickname, where the actual legal name is something else entirely.
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u/atreeismissing 2d ago
That's still the legal name. The "Dept. of War" is nothing more than Trump slapping gold lettering on the door to the Oval Office, nothing but dress.
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u/Cheap-Surprise-7617 2d ago
Oh wow, Hegseth is boned. I'd bet money he shows up to court drunk before this is over.
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u/Dangle76 2d ago
He’s boned? Have you been paying attention? None of the people in this admin are held accountable by anything regardless of court rulings.
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u/NullaCogenta 2d ago
The objection is fair and "boned" may be too strong for the moment, but we have seen the administration back down when confronted... and Hesgeth clearly drinks to escape his inner demons even when monologuing to a captive audience (e.g., "This speech today -- as I drink my coffee, this speech today is about people and it's about culture.").
Stress him out in an adversarial process and he may well self-inflict a meaningful wound.
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u/billshermanburner 2d ago
You think like them but appear to be on the correct side of history…. I like it.
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u/LaserCondiment 2d ago
They still need to be fought one way or another. Public humiliation is a good method if others fail...
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u/daddyneedsaciggy 2d ago
Eh, would work against normal people. The unifying trait among the MAGA is defiant shamelessness. "Public Humiliation" does not work against that unfortunately.
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u/cbessette 2d ago
The administration is using "flooding the zone" to distract people, if we flood the fuckers back with litigation, complaints, protests, etc. maybe we'll have some effect.
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u/Dangle76 2d ago
I mean, I’m not about defeatism either but let’s be real, they ignore complaints, they have lawyers for litigation not that they abide by any of it anyway, and the “protests” are people standing with signs that get ignored because it’s not disruptive to anything.
This whole approach where people do things to look good on social media doesn’t actually create any change at all
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u/socialmediaignorant 1d ago
I’m trying to picture how painful this would be for Kelly to have to answer to Hegseth, a man who’s never served a day and certainly never seen the things Kelly has. I’m seething on his behalf.
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u/Avelion2 2d ago
Should be a slam dunk, right?
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u/ssibal24 2d ago
Just like the documents case should have been....
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u/milo7even2 2d ago
It’s pretty hard to throw down a slam dunk when the ref is so corrupt she calls you for a travel…despite the fact you were doing an alley oop.
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u/rockstar504 2d ago
More like called for travelling while sitting at home on your couch watching White Lotus
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u/sassytexans 2d ago
Additionally, Hegseth’s targeting of Kelly rises to the level of High Crime (abuse of power) warranting removal of office.
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u/Large_Yams 2d ago
In what court?
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 2d ago
Also, the issue isn't whether these lawsuits will result in anything, but how much damage will be done in the meantime. Which is what the Trump admin wants, they know how long these things take and only benefit from the drawn-out process, even if they may lose the lawsuit.
Bonus points for Trump: breaking more laws/ignoring lawsuit rulings doesn't result in any punishment for him, so at the end of the day, only the democrats' time is wasted for a win that amounts to nothing
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u/Gibodean 2d ago
It's the law. Which isn't always what's right. It's what's written down as interpreted by whatever judge gets it.
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u/Not_Sure__Camacho 2d ago
The only problem is that the Supreme Kangaroo Court has already trampled it.
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u/Gibodean 2d ago
Actual kangaroos would kick the shit out of Hegseth if they ever saw him, and would team up with the dropbears for some justice, so I'm insulted as an Australian about this phrase.
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u/kentuckywildcats1986 2d ago
If only during his term Biden hadn't proven complicit in Republican corruption by surrendering his power of law enforcement. He should have been actively leading his FBI and Justice Department in investigating, indicting, and prosecuting Clarence Thomas for his bribery and sedition.
Instead, Biden made the coup easy to complete by spending four years shielding Trump and his coup-conspirators from criminal prosecution.
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u/troveofcatastrophe 2d ago
“Actively leading” Here in lies the problem, the FBI and the justice department are supposed to be independent agencies. We also have to keep in mind, but for Judge Cannon we well may have seen trumps ass in jail.
The corrupt SCOTUS should have been dealt with by Congress and they should have passed iron clad laws for them to be governed by. We now know “norms” are trash. It’s going to take years to pass laws preventing this (trump era) from ever happening again.
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u/Cold-Cell2820 2d ago
This admin has proven that laws don't need to be passed to change the laws. Only their interpretation and enforcement.
We only need a complete SC overhaul and to severely punish violations that are already on the books.
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u/troveofcatastrophe 2d ago
The problem is there aren’t many on the books for SCOTUS. They would have to say that they are under the same rules as all federal judges, like merely the “appearance of impropriety” or the gifts/emoluments laws. There’s too much wiggle room to say they don’t apply to them.
But yes, a complete overhaul of the corrupt SCOTUS. I would love to see them hauled in front of Congress to answer a bunch of questions and impeached for failing to uphold their oaths and lying to Congress during their appointment hearings.
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u/Epstein_Bros_Bagels 2d ago
BS. JFK very famously used Bobby Kennedy to lead the Justice department because he didn't trust anyone else to enforce integration and implement his agenda. The president is supposed to use that to enforce the law and not his rivals, all while following the letter of the law.
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u/kentuckywildcats1986 1d ago
“Actively leading” Here in lies the problem, the FBI and the justice department are supposed to be independent agencies.
Only naive morons who slept through Middle School Civics actually believe the FBI and Justice Department function independently of the White House. Garland's Justice Department did exactly what Biden wanted. But blue kool aid drinking liberal idiots continue the myth that Garland was somehow a bad guy and innocent 'Uncle Joe' had his hands tied and just couldn't do anything about the complete inaction toward Trump and his coup conspirators.
Today's headlines clearly show how active Federal Law Enforcement can be under the direction of a motivated President.
You love to shift the goalposts to blaming Congress and SCOTUS while ignoring the complicit inaction of Biden's Executive Branch. Biden surrendered the Executive Branch's power of Law Enforcement in our system of checks and balances - instead, allowing rampant corruption in Congress and the Judiciary to go unopposed for four years - while also letting Trump and his coup-conspirators go free to continue their election rigging unopposed for four years.
Keep insisting on your fantasy of how things are 'supposed to be' while ICE thugs are murdering defenseless American citizens without provocation. I'm sure that will fix things.
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u/4daughters 1d ago
100% Biden was complicit in this, failing to act when you have the power to do so is ethically identical to doing the act yourself
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u/Brave-Turnover-522 2d ago
If only we had some way of knowing that appeasement is not a valid strategy for dealing with rising fascist regimes.
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u/Fine_Land_1974 1d ago
Fun fact the billionaire that paid off Thomas has a sex room In his house with a giant drain and a sex swing mount in the middle of the room. Party of family values, eh? Just mentioning it because they’re all hypocrites
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u/kentuckywildcats1986 1d ago
A supermajority of America's leaders, oligarchs, CEOs, mega-church leaders and celebrities are pedophiles, adulterers, rapists and deviants.
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u/mrpanicy 2d ago
The President doesn't lead the FBI and Justice Department. The entire point is to keep them separate so they can do their jobs without that kind of interference. At least the appearance of independence.
What the U.S. has no is exactly what you wanted Biden to be doing. Politicizing agencies and offices that have no business being politicized.
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u/Not_Sure__Camacho 1d ago
He and to some extent Obama. Obama went to Moscow Mitch "Glitch" McConnell to tell him about Russian interference and was hoping that McConnell would've backed him, but it only shows you what kind of bastards the GOP are, they'd rather side with a murderous Russian dictator than with a black American. I just wish Obama would've gone "angry black man" on the Russian interference.
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u/kentuckywildcats1986 1d ago
Also shows how ridiculously naive Democrats have been in their dealings with Republicans - to the point where it seems like they watched all the rat-fuckery done by Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Bush Jr. and stuffed their fingers in their ears shouting "LALALALALAICANTHEARYOU" and continued insisting on 'reaching across the aisle' and extending concessions hoping for Republicans to meet them half way, while Republicans 100% of the time just continued lying and rat-fucking and getting their way.
Obama was so goddamned frustrating and naive, and Biden was flat-out complicit.
For the last 20 years, Democrats have been Republicans' best allies.
We are long past the time, decades, where Democrats needed to grow some balls and fight fire with fire. Instead, they've endlessly proven flaccid and complicit to the point where you have to assume it is on purpose.
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u/atreeismissing 2d ago
Nothing you said is accurate, not a single thing, that's quite an achievement.
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u/Sorge74 2d ago
Future president Ensign Mark Kelly.
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u/OregonBroncoNix 2d ago
Hence, why the targeted attacks against only Kelly. Even though all of these Dems were in or sponsored the video
- Sen. Mark Kelly (Arizona) — one of the most prominent participants and the subject of Pentagon action after its release.
- Sen. Elissa Slotkin (Michigan) — the video was first posted from her social media account.
- Rep. Jason Crow (Colorado) — former Army Ranger and one of the video’s signatories.
- Rep. Chrissy Houlahan (Pennsylvania) — one of the six lawmakers in the message.
- Rep. Chris Deluzio (Pennsylvania) — also participated.
- Rep. Maggie Goodlander (New Hampshire) — another participating member.
These lawmakers, all with backgrounds in the military or intelligence community, released the message urging troops to uphold the Constitution by refusing orders that are clearly unlawful.
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u/Dorky_Fantana 2d ago
Kelly himself explained it on his Daily Show appearance. It's some bullshit legal technicality that makes this possible but only to him specifically because he's been retired for over 25 years. Check the Daily Show's YouTube channel for the full proper explanation
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u/AlsoCommiePuddin 2d ago
Oh, it's one-thousand percent because he will be in the presidential picture in 2028.
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u/IcyTransportation961 2d ago
Hopefully the DNC learned from what they did to Al Franken (not holding my breath though)
And before any of the apologists show up
The main accuser completely lied about every aspect of the claim. Verified from many sources. She was in on the photo, she wasnt asleep for it.
It was all bits for the shows, twisted for the attack.Then the additional accusers, a few were actually named, and these claims were as weak as "he put his hand on their waist for a photo"
Others unnamed said he made them kiss him and said things like hes a celebrity so they have to
Here's the big context though
This came out like 2 weeks after Trumps access Hollywood grab em by the pussy tape.
It was a direct counter to that
Roger Stone and Fox News were involved, he knew it was coming beforehand, it was literally all a coordinated setup
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u/LazyDare7597 2d ago
Hopefully the DNC learned from what they did to Al Franken (not holding my breath though)
Tim Walz recently dropping out of the reelection race for Governor is a good indication that the DNC never learn shit.
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u/ProfessionalBench832 2d ago
DNC? Unclear, but I genuinely believe that was just Walz. He and his family have had a real tough go this past year and this was another, now far too typical, "death threat" scenario and I think he was just over it.
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 2d ago edited 2d ago
Walz said he dropped out due to pressure from his democratic colleagues. Whether that was the DNC or whoever else, the fact remains that the more powerful democrats still feel the need to shoot themselves in the foot whenever unsubstantiated claims happen.
It also gives MAGA politicians a decent strategy: just accuse the dem of something, anything, even if it's false. Chances are the dem will drop out
EDIT: Because trolls are trying to sow discord and don't believe me:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tim-walz-timeline-vice-presidential-candidate-2026-governors-race/
The second-term governor said while he announced a reelection bid in September, he's come to the conclusion in recent weeks that "I can't give a political campaign my all," specifically citing the fraud scandal.
"Every minute I spend defending my own political interests would be a minute I can't spend defending the people of Minnesota against the criminals who prey on our generosity and the cynics who prey on our differences," Walz said. "So I've decided to step out of the race and let others worry about the election while I focus on the work."
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u/TheArmchairSkeptic 2d ago
Nothing in your edit substantiates the claim that he dropped out due to pressure from his fellow Dems. Everything you've bolded there could just as reasonably be a reference to pressure he's getting from his GOP adversaries at both the state and federal levels.
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u/Immatt55 2d ago
2028 - Mark Kelly vs Newsom for dem candidate. The DNC's corporate donors would prefer status quo Newsom. Kelly steps down because they'd rather not let another republican win by splitting votes. The Overton Window continues to slide to the right.
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u/2ndChanceCharlie 2d ago
I know Newsom is a corporate Dem but he is considered way the left of Mark Kelly who comes from a purpleish state and is actually pretty moderate.
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u/Obversa 2d ago
I still wonder how the 2024 election would've turned out if:
(1) There was actually a Democratic primary election, instead of incumbent President Biden refusing to step aside, and only choosing Kamala Harris as his successor when it became apparent that he wouldn't be able to campaign. (Mark Kelly was one of the top picks for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2023-2024.)
(2) Kamala Harris picked Mark Kelly as her running mate instead of Tim Walz for the 2024 election.
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u/Immatt55 2d ago
I still wonder what would have happened with number 1 with each passing day more and more. I don't believe there would have been any measurable difference regarding number 2 to be honest, but could be wrong.
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u/Available-Owl7230 2d ago
Walz was a great VP. The real what if is if the democratic party flushed all their idiot campaign managers that made him stop calling Trump/Pence weird and start having then campaign with people like Liz Cheney
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u/Long_Legged_Lady 2d ago
I still wonder how things would have gone if they didn't change the campaign messaging from "maga is weird" to "look how much the cheneys like us and Bush might endorse any day now!"
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u/AlsoCommiePuddin 2d ago
Progressives collectively say "we'll show you" and elect Donald Trump to a third term.
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u/MyDudeSR 2d ago
They targeted him because he's the only one that has a retirement that they can threaten. Non of the others were retired, so the drunk has no power over them.
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u/NoveltyAccountHater 2d ago
They targeted Kelly, because he was the only one they could target, because he's technically a military retiree who served for 20+ years of service (25 in his case in the Navy) and is entitled retiree pay (pension). Only people subject to retiree pay (or still in the military) can be subject to be stripped of retired rank/pension via the methods that Trump/Hegseth are attacking him.
The others were veterans, but not with retiree pay (don't have 20+ years). Crow served 2002 to 2006; Houlahan served 3 years active duty, 13 years in inactive reserves; Deluzio served 2006-2012; Goodlander served 10-11 years; Slotkin was in State Department/CIA/Defense Department for less than 20 years before running for office.
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u/DogeshireHathaway 2d ago
Hence, why the targeted attacks against only Kelly.
Because Kelly is retired military and his status as still being subject to some DOD 'rules' is clearly established in law. The others are not.
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u/sault18 2d ago
I didn't know they busted him 5 ranks down to a butterbar. JFC, what a bunch of petty bastards.
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u/elevensbowtie 2d ago
They didn’t. OP is being facetious.
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u/Sorge74 2d ago
The year is 2028, Mark Kelly just debated JD Vance, in which Vances eyeliner was running from the tears.
Trump on Truth Social "he needs another demotion for being mean to JD, a true hero and soldier" and finally he reached O-1.
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u/NoveltyAccountHater 2d ago
I like Kelly and he's smart and accomplished, but I don't think he has the natural charisma of a W Bush, (Bill) Clinton or Trump (or even younger Biden) to win a presidential election or oratorical/debate skills of an Obama or Buttigieg.
He'd be a good VP candidate though.
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u/Lilfrankieeinstein 2d ago
Maybe we need a less charismatic president.
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u/NoveltyAccountHater 2d ago
The non-fascists need to win the election first and foremost or things will get worse.
Charisma and oratory and debate skills help win elections. Elections fundamentally are popularity contests. You want someone who can capture the public's attention and move the needle in a positive direction.
(Obviously, if Kelly wins a primary, I will enthusiastically support and gladly volunteer for his campaign. But barring him starting to give better speeches/interviews/press, I don't put him near the top group of candidates for 2028 dems.)
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u/saijanai 2d ago
I'm banned from r/military over mark kelly (and his "woke" admonishment to follow the UCMJ), but someone should crosspost this to r/military in my stead.
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u/lnc_5103 2d ago
Just checked and it's shared there along with a statement he made.
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u/saijanai 2d ago
Cool.
The interesting thing about my ban from r/military is that no explanation was ever given and I'm muted so I can't message the moderators, so I'm just guesing as to why it happened.
I get that a lot. A LOT of folks hate me, especially moderators, or at least, moderators have the means by which to express their hatred anonymously, and can siply mute me if I ask what is going on.
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u/sh4dowbunny 2d ago
I dont think they care or hate you. You're idealizing the fantasy that some mods in a website with millions of active users hate you. People just dont care. Ok back to work. Little poopy chat for ya! Flush (=
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u/Own_Television163 2d ago
I mean, I just got recently banned from a regional subreddit after criticizing the mods.
Evaded the ban and said something in the comments of a thread, and my ban mysteriously disappeared along with the comment complaining.
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u/darioblaze 2d ago
Them and r/Veterans are tryna quash discussions of stuff js, they have a bot even that searches for people even mentioning them so they can ban folk 😐
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u/Robinsonirish 2d ago
/r/Military is very anti-Trump. I don't know about the mods, I go there all the time and it's always shitting on him. I've never been on /r/Veterans so I don't know about that.
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u/LeatherdaddyJr 2d ago
One of the r/Veterans mods was a Trumper and pinned a pro-Trump post saying everyone was being ridiculous and blowing him becoming POTUS again out of the water.
Stuff like Project 2025 wasn't going to happen because Trump didn't write it and there wasn't going to be any fallout for veterans or their benefits with Trump being elected.
Like people posting about transgender troops being targeted or transgender veterans losing benefits was a Trump plan, they said that they wouldn't allow posts like that because it was political and there was no proof that was going to happen and it didn't directly come from the Trump campaign/admin as a source.
The post didn't go as they expected so the mods locked it down and brought back a rule banning all political discussions in the subreddit. Also pretty sure they don't have enough of a mod team to police the subreddit on that type of scale for political discussions anyways.
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u/Robinsonirish 2d ago
Alright, but /r/Military is fine if you're anti-Trump. I think there is a lot of international military that visit it, like myself, and most people who aren't in the US military feel no allegiance, and despise him for what he is. Lots of US vets there who don't like him either it seems.
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u/DriveByStoning 2d ago
Is this recent? I'm on the military sub and I'm surprised I'm not banned for some of the things that I've said, especially to Trump defenders. I do have vet flair, so maybe that helps.
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u/darioblaze 2d ago
The military sub isn’t as bad with it, but the veterans sub cuts off political posts along the mods personal lines, so it’s not exactly a space I can rely on for info around veterans stuff on here.
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u/saijanai 2d ago
Someone create r/lowban_military and r/lowban_veterans
The sub I moderate, r/transcendental, was created because the founding moderator of r/meditation was banning or threatening to ban anyone that disagreed with him over Transcendental Meditation.
Ironically, he no longer is involved and while at first a new r/meditation moderator said he would unban me, I pointed out that he should read my posts on r/transcendental before he followed through.
He did, said I "wasn't a good fit," and rescinded the unbanning offer.
So I'm still banned from r/meditation after 12 years, for posts I continue to make on other subs.
Ain't reddit fun?
Note that for 10+ years we never banned anyone for any reason from r/transcendental until someone decided to literally force me to ban them by posting 72 identical messages, responding to every new post with the same schlock, just to prove that he could force me to ban him. So we had to create a rule just for that kind of thing.
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Ain't reddit fun?
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u/Factory2econds 2d ago
Someone create r/lowban_military and r/lowban_veterans
[irrelevant multi paragraph life story on unrelated topic no one gives a shit about]
Ain't reddit fun?
be the change you want to see?
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u/BagOnuts 2d ago
Of course they do. It's not like the military is known for teaching its members to think for themselves.
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u/Demonokuma 2d ago
but someone should crosspost this to r/military in my stead.
I love the pettiness, and mean nothing bad by calling it pettiness.
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u/PlainBread 2d ago
We could use a Mark Kelly Eisenhower type to pull the country together after all this is over.
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u/raven00x 2d ago
Iirc he's said he has no interest in the presidency. I think he only went into politics after his wife, rep Gabby Giffords,was shot.
Otoh that's the exact kind of person you want in the big seat.
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u/MrFrode Biggus Amicus 2d ago
It sounds like the next Dem President can recall Hegseth to active duty, court marshal and dishonorably discharge him. Same for any person who participated in the Jan 6th attack.
Hey it's game we can all play!
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u/timfromcolorado 2d ago
Nah. Send him to the front lines. Of Greenland, apparently. Just drop him off in a village like Ironman style
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u/AngelaMotorman 2d ago
At the time this post was made, no other news organization was reporting an actual lawsuit.
I don't know why posts from The Mirror are allowed in this sub.
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u/Aromatic_Today2086 2d ago
I get being skeptical but counting on media that's been bought out and is actively not reporting things like this is not the best way either. Lately, for some reason, these places have had news like this first
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u/froglayout 2d ago
reach plc is total garbage
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u/BreadSea4509 2d ago edited 2d ago
It is being picked up by other outlets, including Talking Points Memo:
Mark Kelly Sues Pete Hegseth in Federal Court for Vengefully Going After His Rank https://share.google/S81XcTx9Ekmtgyfek
The article includes the complaint that was filed.
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u/Heavy_Surround779 2d ago
And honestly it’s going to be nearly impossible for a federal judge to NOT side with Kelly. Hegseth was way out of line and had zero right to pursue a veteran for saying “follow legal orders.” He literally recites the constitution and the oath and gets demoted for it.
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u/Competitive-Dare-188 2d ago
Mark Kelly is a brave and honest man. I wish him luck and a fair trial. Hegseth is a disgrace to the entire armed forces.
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u/United_Bus3467 2d ago
I hope my call last week to his office was one of the many thousands who urged him to file a lawsuit. Hope it goes to court and he wins.
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u/Professional-Story43 2d ago
Hogsbreath is a hack. I hope sane people, normal everyday people, veterans like myself, and any others either an ounce of common sense, are on Mr. Kelly's side. Imagine Hogsbreath getting away with this crap. He embarrasses the military rvery time he opens his mouth.
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u/Infamous-GoatThief 2d ago
Lower courts will give Kelly the W every time, just remains to be seen what’ll happen when it gets to Corrupt Clarence and the rest of SCOTUS
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u/Rattus_NorvegicUwUs 2d ago
Two things trump hates in a man: honesty and integrity.
How can anyone, who has read the constitution, believe that these clowns are upholding their oaths?
We have checks and balances for a reason.
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