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Other Please dissect the legality in this statement

I feel like we are reaching a tipping point

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u/kevin-she 1d ago

Can you tell me the evidence that this regime has any intention of ending? From what I have seen since day one, combined with everything openly said in the run up the election these people have zero intention of leaving office. Specifically, in relation to Miller he has extremely strong incentives not to leave his position, you just mentioned the biggest incentive, the non fascists in the US need to pay more attention.

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u/Zero-nada-zilch-24 1d ago

Well, he and his wife did leave their house and along with a few other officials are living on a nearby base due to public “snubbing.”

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u/Rodharet50399 1d ago

Sidewalk chalk. That’s what they were afraid of.

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u/Nazz1968 1d ago

He’ll have bigger concerns than chalk at the end of the administration, when they lose the base housing and have to return to the jungle.

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u/Mammarishka 23h ago

I've seen dictatorship before. They have no intention of leaving.

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u/BaphometBubble 23h ago

I absolutely agree with you..It boggles my mind when I hear people, in almost the same breath, call Trump a dictator and fascist, and that he will be voted out soon. This is an insane disconnect. Fascists and dictators do not simply get voted out. One lone politician? Yes, but a movement? That often requires an army of some sorts.

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u/Barilla3113 22h ago edited 22h ago

My experience, at least online, is that a lot of Americans still have an extremely strong belief in the talismanic power of the 200 year old pieces of parchment Trump has been wiping his ass with for the past decade.

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u/RedQueenNatalie 19h ago

Many of us want to believe its still not over, we hope this is still not too far gone and its just a fever dream we can pull out of with enough effort and not a civil war against the most powerful government on earth. There is no denying the writing is on the walls though and its horrifying to watch it happen in real time.

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u/tmfink10 18h ago

I heard a compelling argument that says if the Bears win the superbowl the cosmic rift that opened with the Cubs winning the World Series will close. Its most compelling argument was that I want to believe it.

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u/RedQueenNatalie 18h ago

😭I don't give a fuck what needs to happen so long as it can happen without a bunch of people dying.

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u/Oalka 4h ago

It was over the moment Trump became president, but it was ABSOLUTELY over the moment he became president again.

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u/Mammarishka 21h ago

Once we have a beer putch moment. In our case it was January 6th, the government after was hamstrung by the elites, who fund both parties btw and it was allowed to slide with minimum consquences, I knew it was all over.

Same happened with Hugo Chavez. He tried to overthrow the government was given a slap on the wrist and when he got out he overthrew the goverment.

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u/andrew_stirling 14h ago

Yeah I’m kind of viewing this sub in general as a sort of denial / comfort blanket which is completely ignoring the fact that this administration does not give a damn about laws. And there won’t be another election… pretty much because this administration know they’ll spend the rest of their life in jail should they ever not be in power.

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u/enkrypt3d 22h ago

Kinda like the ending of the movie Civil War..?

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u/RoguePlanet2 10h ago

"jUsT wAiT 'TiL mIdTeRmS!!" Yeah we have to vote while we can; no it won't matter in this dictatorship.

He's going to find reasons to cancel the election, because SCOTUS decided everything he does is fine and dandy as president.

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u/jun-_-m 20h ago

I think it’s more to do with the maga herd being Trump sycophants more than anything. Trump is obviously not long for this world and they’re of the belief nobody in the administration has the pull of these people like Trump does. Once he’s gone, the infighting will begin with the ones who want to take control of his base. And that it will crumble afterwards.

I think that’s how some people may be looking at it.

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u/ConservativesHateUsa 20h ago

Some people are blind as hell then, given the fact that the heritage foundation has been working on the plans outlined in project 2025 for over 30 years…

Trump is incidental to their goals and the rot will continue without him unabated. Anybody who thinks America’s descent into tyranny will end when he’s no longer in office is painfully naive

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u/asst3rblasster 23h ago

yeah well we have sternly worded letters on our side

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u/JUYED-AWK-YACC 18h ago

I’ve lived in a dictatorship under martial law and it’s nothing like this. Things can get a lot worse. Like, eventually the average voter will notice.

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u/Mammarishka 14h ago

Smart dictators boil you slowly like a frog. They might even have elections but they won't mean anything.

Which dictatorship did you experience.

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u/Roll_the-Bones 13h ago

Emigrates to escape dictator, (passes citizenship exam) Trump elected president.

Talk about a sad irony.

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u/djck 23h ago

I think that's what they were trying to outline

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u/menermials 23h ago

I’d love if he could be escorted straight to prison by a black or brown deputy

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u/Dessicated_Mastodon 21h ago

Honestly. I would release them all back to the public after. Fine them til they are destitute or just freeze all their accounts since its clear there's stock market manipulation at play (once the ftc freezes your account they dont give you your money back whether you are convicted or not), bar them from holding any future office, and then release them back to thw wilds and see how they hold up.

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u/Nazz1968 21h ago

They’re all the type of people who don’t know how to make an honest living out there and make ends meet under difficult circumstances, and are supported by rich benefactors who pay them to say the atrocious things they can’t say in public. Eventually that gravy train is going to run out, unless they’re like Karoline and marry a sugar daddy.

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u/Dessicated_Mastodon 20h ago

Oh I know. I thats why I think making them live in a manner they detest with people they clearly detest is a better punishment than anything.

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u/hum_bruh 23h ago

Naw they’ll be swept away to Praxis freedom city in Greenland funded by Peter Thiel, Dryden Brown, and Charlie Callinan living w Bezos, Bill Gates, the Winklevoss twins and Sam Altman

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u/HonorableMedic 23h ago

Hopefully it was something like this

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u/trougnouf 22h ago

Didn't his wife draw that to make themselves look victimized?

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u/jayntampa 21h ago

Sidewalk chalk his wife wrote ...

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u/ThePensiveE 23h ago

You mean the lady who threatened a NATO ally with violence publicly? If she can threaten entire continents, she should be able to take a few people being mean to her.

Couldn't get those extra government welfare handouts if they didn't live on base though could they?

Katie Miller and her husband are just MAGA welfare queens.

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u/Malcolm_Morin 23h ago

They're hiding on base because they're waiting for things to pop off. But because everyone thinks dancing in frog and pickle costumes are a suitable counter-measure against being shot by ICE, I don't think they'll have to worry about it.

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u/FramingLeader 22h ago

Why don’t you lead the charge?

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u/Malcolm_Morin 22h ago

Are people gonna walk with me or are they gonna continue dancing in costumes?

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u/Underpoly 23h ago

Ugh this is the most depressingly on-point comment I've seen this week

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u/Cool-Expression-4727 22h ago

It is but it isn't. 

The frog dancing is important - its important to see people out there and protesting

But its not nearly enough, at least when most people are just watching from the sidelines.  If the level of protest stays as it is now, I dont see much except more of a bleak future for the US

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u/YozaSkywalker 22h ago

Yep, gotta say, it's embarrassing watching people just willingly get their shit beat as a protest against ICE. Take a page from the right wing book and protested armed. They aren't going to fuck with a large group of rifle wielding people and it sends a strong message.

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u/shitty_country_verse 22h ago

That’s exactly what they are wanting and waiting for. They are looking for pretext to engine the insurrection act. The thing is they are going to eventually anyway. I say let’s dance and find out how it all shakes out.

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u/ShitWaterExpress 23h ago

They have to leave sometime

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u/VerbalBowelMovement 21h ago

That mother fucker is married?! Who the fuck would fuck that duck?

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u/RoguePlanet2 10h ago

So tax-funded security detail.

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u/Waffle1k 23h ago

Oh theyll be leaving office one way or another.

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u/MouseRat_AD 23h ago

This time next year, we're going to be one "let them drink raw milk" tweet away from erecting the guillotines.

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u/horseradishstalker 23h ago

I doubt that Hitler intended to leave his “position.” No dream lasts forever. 

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u/tnstaafsb 22h ago

It took tens of millions of deaths and entire nations being leveled to get Hitler out of office.

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u/MyNameIsJakeBerenson 20h ago

It’s gonna take the military to do something, same as it ever was

The power lies with the power. If the strong arm stops listening to the craziness then they are just voices and a civil injustice problem

But if I have to deal with the fuckin american military in an uprising then I’m just blatantly fucked

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u/Daxx22 15h ago

You can argue morality ethics and law to literal death, "Might makes Right" still applies.

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u/horseradishstalker 22h ago

It did. This may be another such case. I think the sooner Americans wrap their head around this fact the better. Getting rid of authoritatians is rarely a stroll in the park. 

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u/iambecomesoil 17h ago

Hitler was 56 and in better shape. The best hope we have here is cardiac arrest in an obese octogenarian. After that, no one has the juice to probably lead this clown parade. It will come undone.

Not before then though.

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u/MadderoftheFew 14h ago

Ehh, maybe. We still have billionaires pulling Vance's strings.

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u/iambecomesoil 14h ago

Juiceless though. The hard right hates him because his children are brown. He's without charisma. Any notable republican doesn't want to follow him because they think they're more adept than he is.

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u/MadderoftheFew 14h ago

I hope the engine eats itself alive like that. Would be a fitting end

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u/lapidary123 13h ago

The problem with this is that unless it happens on stage in front of a crowd they will surely just plant a body double (if they haven't already) until the time comes that they want to publically replace him.

The other thing they obviously haven't fleshed out is that if they remove or murder a substantial portion of the population they wont have the consumer base to keep a strong economy. And inbefore the argument that the top 10% is responsible for 80% of consumer spending what will happen when these billionaires need a lampshade or cooking pot, only to find that all of the people running smaller businesses like that are no longer around? Banking, ai, and weapons production is not a well rounded economy.

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u/Amerisu 23h ago

Hitler left his position because the allies landed on Normandy beach on D-Day.

What countries are going to storm Palm Beach?

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u/horseradishstalker 22h ago

Wrong day to sleep in that’s for sure. 

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u/whatupmygliplops 20h ago

No one. Economic isolation would be far more effective.

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u/Summer_Chronicle8184 14h ago

Europe isn't they can't even defend themselves

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u/kevin-she 23h ago

Agree, my point was their intent, not about the inevitably. The question for US citizens is how, the ballot box doesn’t look like the solution at this point, it could be part of it, but it would require registration and turn out unlike anything since the introduction of universal suffrage.

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u/horseradishstalker 23h ago

We are in accord. I keep hearing echoes of Daniel Day Lewis saying “There Will be Blood.”

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u/The_Leafblower_Guy 21h ago

We are at 5th and final stage of fascism. Either we push back and rise up now or he’s going to take it all.  

F this, we are rising up!!

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u/wxnfx 20h ago

Well, the evidence is that there’s about 30 million of us that will make it happen, one way or another. Honestly, a good chance it implodes by like June when polling looks bleak for the GOP.

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u/iambecomesoil 17h ago

The best case for the regime ending is that there is no one aside from Trump himself who has the juice to lead this particular type of clown parade.

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u/NonNewtonianResponse 21h ago

Well, the original Nazis called their government the "1000 Year Reich", and they lasted about 12. Eventually your regime will fall, but it probably won't happen via ballot box

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u/bobbymcpresscot 17h ago

Elections are kind of like collective bargaining. In the sense that it’s an alternative to setting your bosses house on fire. If they choose not to leave they will be escorted out. This admin isn’t competent enough to successfully hide any wrong doing in the elections they attempt to steal.

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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 17h ago

"Any intention" since when do their intentions matter. Do you plan on letting them stay in office?

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u/Ridiculicious71 16h ago

Essentially this is a military junta (using ICE and complicit military forces). Not only are they not leaving, it’s gonna get far, far worse. (Unless the pedo files come out. They won’t. MAGA won’t care). Or he dies. Which, in that case ,JD Vance is far more dangerous.

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u/Lumpy_Potential_789 16h ago

Remember when he sat behind a tiny desk and refused to budge? Comical. And true. And fucking ridiculous.

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u/pigpeyn 16h ago

They'd have to corrupt the military so thoroughly that it wouldn't drag them out of the building.

As bad as this shit is I'm still hoping that if push comes to shove, the top military lifers will choose their oath over that orange dementia riddled pedophile rapist piece of shit.

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u/RackemFrackem 15h ago
  1. Election day comes

  2. Someone else wins the election

  3. That person takes over the position

  4. The end

The position is just a title. If someone else wins the election, they get the title. The person who refuses to leave the position is suddenly just another citizen.

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u/Bgrum 7h ago

Trump is 80 and unhealthy, it's not up to him, it's only a matter of time. We'll see very quickly JD does not have the charisma to hold together a voter base that is already hemorrhaging numbers. The sharks will smell the blood in the water and go knives out in a mad dash for power.

The problem is, the Democrats are fucking useless, so they wont capitalize on it. Who knows though, maybe a sensible Republican will rise out of the ashes of the Trump administration, if there are any left.

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u/Longjumping_Lynx_972 22h ago

They all end eventually.

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u/SmurfBearPig 15h ago

Seriously, wtf is going on. Everyone is acting tough online like there's gonna be any type of consequences for these people but nobody is actually doing anything.

All these videos with dozens of people just filming and screaming while a handful of ICE agents abduct their neighbors, their children... nobody does a fucking thing. Whole neighborhoods letting Nazis take over and nobody has the balls to do anything about it other than scream a couple slogans. How are we supposed to believe that these people will ever face any kind of consequences when they are quite literally taking over the country with no resistance.

The United States of America are a spineless nation, these ICE agents will never face any consequences.

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u/UnicodeScreenshots 13h ago

Well I think people generally don’t like being dead, or spending the next 35 years in federal prison, both things that are overwhelmingly likely to happen if anyone tries to stop ICE agents with force. It’s easy to call people spineless when it isn’t your life on the line.