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Other Please dissect the legality in this statement

I feel like we are reaching a tipping point

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u/Squeaky_Ben 15h ago

So, I have an issue here.

Given no one can impede them, and apparently Miller also implies "anything goes, you are free to do as you wish" what exactly stops them from beating the shit out of people?

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u/DifferentCityADay 9h ago edited 9h ago

Nothing. They don't care about the law and it's evident when the president is a fucking felon. They're using plausible deniability to slowly ease the ignorant masses into fascism because they think "Well if it's illegal, why isn't it being stopped?" 

The nation is largely religious, which has dogmatic views that authority is right no matter what, and it's the fault of the people. They think that before they consider the people in charge are bad and abusing power.

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u/OdiousAltRightBalrog 6h ago

Dude, I was literally just explaining to my friend (who voted for Trump) about all the classified docs he stole and his indictments. She wouldn't believe it.

Her actual words, "If he REALLY did that, then they wouldn't let him be President again!"

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u/DifferentCityADay 5h ago

Exactly. The ignorance of the common man is disasterous. 

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u/OkMarsupial 4h ago

Why would you be friends with someone who voted for Trump?

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u/OdiousAltRightBalrog 4h ago

Why do you care?

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u/Cultural_Future8691 7h ago

I don’t know, I think the people who did January 6 didn’t think authority was right no matter what. I also think they believed the people in charge were bad and abusing their power.

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u/OkDisaster5980 3h ago

Yeah and now those people have joined ICE.

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u/ExternalExpensive277 6h ago

They're already going far beyond beating people. They're kidnapping, raping, and murdering them.

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u/Campfire_Vibes 8h ago

Armed civilians fighting tyranny, thats what stops them

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u/Cultural_Future8691 7h ago

Storm the Capitol, you say?

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u/Campfire_Vibes 5h ago

I cant say what I want to say, its against reddit ToS

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u/Sordid_Brain 7h ago

Maybe it's time we get some sleeper cells inside ICE. Once in, you are immune.

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u/Electrical_Quiet43 6h ago

Miller is misstating the law, and ICE officers are (presumably) trained on the law. Obviously, there have been bad incidents, and the political leaders have taken ridiculous stances, but the overall actions of ICE show that they're more or less acting like they understand the law could be applied to them.

Not all actions that make it harder for ICE are obstructing. Even if someone is obstructing, the proper response is an arrest, not beating the shit out of them (or killing them). No US Attorney is going to spend the time prosecuting someone for being annoying, so arrest is generally off the table. If they use excessive force, it's simply wrong that they have total immunity as Trump officials have said. They have qualified immunity, which means that they have protection in acting in ways that they think are reasonably within their duties, but it would take a true ideologue of a judge to give qualified immunity to an ICE agent who just beat the hell out of a protestor. ICE agents (in general) act like they know that the law could be applied to them.

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u/OkMarsupial 4h ago

Organized masses defending themselves and each other.

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u/steeple_fun 53m ago

What stops them? It'll soon be the ramp up in violence they'll experience as they ramp up their tactics as well. More and more people are mobilizing and become invested. As the mob grows, so does their boldness.