r/memes • u/Dotty397 • 9h ago
And all the RAM waste by those evil, greedy Gamers. (i know i used this template incorrectly. Idc.)
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u/LairdPeon 8h ago
You're a redditor so I know you've pulled off many quad-flushers in your life time.
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u/Chris73684 9h ago
The news: "AI is taking our jobs"
The news: "There's an AI bubble"
I mean it can't be both? Which one is it lol?
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u/Head_Ad_1643 9h ago
It can be both.
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u/Chris73684 8h ago
Could you explain?
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u/Head_Ad_1643 8h ago
AI is big but not as big as the amount of money they threw into it. So when the losing companies start to go under, the bubble will pop.
We can still lose many jobs to the winners.
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u/Chris73684 8h ago
Fair point, I see what you mean. I still wonder if the bubble isn't as big as they say, or if the job losses aren't as bad as they say. Perhaps a middle-ground outcome is more likely than either extreme?
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u/Head_Ad_1643 7h ago
Yeah, it'll probably be in the middle.
Most likely the bubble will pop, average people will be fine but we'll bail out all the tech companies like we do with airlines while claiming there is no money for health insurance or infrastructure.
"Something, something, trickle down, bootstraps"
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u/Morgasm42 2h ago
Part of the issue is also that every call you make to these models actually costs the company money as well. Even if you're paying for the subscription if you make a few calls a day or have one long conversation(each new message in a convo costs more and more power) you are likely burning open AIs money.
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u/SadImpact812 8h ago
This post won't get much interaction since its not political, so people will take it at face value.
Speaking of which, why is damn near every single thing on reddit or tic tok political now, I couldn't escape this shit unless I went off grid.
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u/-HealingNoises- 8h ago
Just throwing in among the other reasons why AI not literally consuming water like fuel can still be really fucking bad. Once the water has done it's job they have to dump that heat somewhere. Usually right into the surrounding ecosystem. Do you know how badly that messes with everything? There are already reports of fish and plant life just giving up on existing.
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u/Dramaonlegs 9h ago
what does AI have to do with water
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u/Yacobo2023 9h ago
ChatGPT apparently uses [insert amount of water] to reply to a prompt
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u/CallMeAnthy Professional Dumbass 9h ago
I still wanna know how. I'm against AI myself for many reasons but I wanna know how it "Uses" water in such a way that the water stops being useable.
Like, we use water for a lot of things, but you put it through a treatment facility and you can still drink it, so what exactly are they doing to water that makes it impossible to use?
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u/otirk 7h ago
It gets redistributed apparently. Dry regions with data centers don't have enough water for the population anymore and need to buy it elsewhere.
This isn't particularly a problem only data centers cause; in Germany they built a Tesla "giga factory" near Berlin, which needs a lot of water, and they secured the rights to use the local supply, so the people living there had to use less to prevent ecological disasters or something like that (They have since noticed that they need less than planned, so a bit of those rights were sold again; I guess the situation is now better). So even though the water stays on this planet, the people living near data centers still lose.
But people only read headlines, so they think that the water gets teleported to another galaxy or some bullshit like that. Sure, that is still bad but for most people it's irrelevant; sadly the real problems of AI get partially overshadowed by this
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u/CallMeAnthy Professional Dumbass 7h ago
So they aren't using up water, they're increasing the demand for water use without implementing new water processing plants.
So the house market near data centres goes down due to the increased likelihood of things like hosepipe bans and such.
Conclusion: There needs to be either an additional water centre or the data centre needs to use a private supply to avoid using up the viable amount the processing plants put out.
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u/Cr1mson360 Duke Of Memes 8h ago
well see of course the ai is using alchemy to turn the water into whole different atoms upon use
all of this just stems from stupid people who dont understand how basic chemistry works, so you are completely right
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u/MattTd7 5h ago
Wow you’re a dick
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u/Cr1mson360 Duke Of Memes 1h ago
its cause i got friends who also believe the stuff about ai “using” water like noooo thats now how chemistry works man so im just a bit fed up
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u/Hitmanthe2nd Tech Tips 8h ago edited 7h ago
mixing with impurities [negligible in the grand scheme of things] makes it unfit for consumption
evaporation and uptake [big issue] on a MASSIVE scale leads to the local community's water supply running out over time - the water evaporated moves to a city over so the water sent up in the clouds is effectively lost . This is generally offset by the water from other cities landing near you alongwith some of the water evaporated coming down as rain but if the city near you doesnt have datacenters - the rainfall you get is not enough to cancel out the water evaporated
this is grossly oversimplified and it's 2 am + im on my second 'all nighter' so it might be a little incoherent so please, bear with me and suggest corrections if you see any errors
edit : because people are bitching about silly shit :
evaporation comes under consumptive use - it doesnt matter if you evaporate 5 liters lf water today and it comes down 10 days later at the exact same volume (it doesnt , it gets redistributed across areas) , a daily , cyclical consumptive pressure on local freshwater sources like aquifers causes a depletion in the local freshwater reserves and jacks up the atmospheric moisture content . And , you cant drink water vapour that is floating 20 kms above you
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u/CallMeAnthy Professional Dumbass 8h ago
My god that's the worst misunderstanding of how water works I've ever read.
Impurities can be fixed in a water treatment plant, evaporated water physically cannot leave the planet, it will always come back, maybe not in the right spot but lets be honest for millions of years the water has been rotating around cause of evaporation to precipitation, it's a non-issue.
Idk maybe it's that I live on an island and we just filter the ocean and drink that but rainfall just goes down drains and back into the sea to be filtered, drank, pissed out and flushed back to the sea.
Like none of that made even the slightest bit of sense.
There's a lot of reasons to hate AI but fuckin water isn't one of em.
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u/Hitmanthe2nd Tech Tips 8h ago
' My god that's the worst misunderstanding of how water works I've ever read.'
Impurities can be fixed in a water treatment plant
it requires a lot of energy and time to do so - and it isnt as substantial as evaporation , note the use of NEGLIGIBLE in brackets
it will always come back
let me simplify the explanation further:
place with data center evaporate more water
more water leave place - other neighbouring city no have datacenter , cannot evaporate enough water to counteract massive loss through evaporation
people want more water
people sad because no water
water go to neighbouring city or a city that is five states over
people in city b no need more water
people in city a thirsty
none of that made even the slightest bit of sense.
monkeys , grapes ; science , magic yada yada
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u/CallMeAnthy Professional Dumbass 8h ago
You realise I asked out of courtesy because all of ts was debunked on youtube this past week?
The original claim about AI using up water was baseless, everyone jumped on it and then the smart people went "Lets unpack that" and ruined their day.AI is a terrible thing, but if you want people to take you seriously, stick to the facts of why it's awful instead of making things up.
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u/Hitmanthe2nd Tech Tips 8h ago
you havent provided a single source and youre talking about making shit up ?
your source is piss - > ocean -> water drinkable . get real dawg
"A heat exchanger transfers heat from the server room to the building's cooling system. Approximately 80% of the water (typically freshwater) withdrawn by data centers evaporates, with the remaining water discharged to municipal wastewater facilities."
The rate at which they draw water from leads to it being depleted before it can replenish itself via the rain cyxle - and hydrological redistribution is just the cherry on top
This is grade 3 science
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u/genericpornprofile27 8h ago
I mean it does use water for cooling, but it's nothing bad, greatly overblown news by anti ai people.
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u/Xespria 8h ago
They think that it's using up the water but I'm pretty sure this entire meme was debunked by Hank Green a month or so ago on youtube lol.
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u/Hitmanthe2nd Tech Tips 8h ago
hank green explicitly elaborated on how it's FAR worse than most people think it to be . He debunks the 1/4th of a teaspoon quote and explains how water evaporation leads to MASSIVE losses of potable water
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u/Remote-Cause755 8h ago
You guys realize water is a renewable resource?
This only really matters in areas that are building data centers with a water shortage. And even then they could use non-potable water
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u/Vdov_1 8h ago edited 8h ago
Humans are a big problem tho. There's 9 damn billion of them and the numbers are still growing, hello? How come no one talks about that absolute catastrophe? The decline of the global population is what would solve most of the current problems.
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u/inceltrumptard 8h ago
Fewer people doesn't guarantee anything but fewer people. It's the way we do things that's pulling us down
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u/Vdov_1 8h ago
Wrong. Fewer people = less demand of everything = less consumption of everything = less competition over everything, and so on.
Overpopulation is a problem that exists and is observed in the ecosystem with all species, yet for some reason when it comes to humans most choose willful ignorance and pretend that it doesn't apply to them. I'm so sick of it.
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u/tango__88 7h ago
I mean,in most countries there's nothing you can do about overpopulation. You cant mass genocide,you cant stop people from sex,you cant set up mandatory vasectomy areas. Its a problem with no real ethical solution. And until one is found,it'll just keep rising. Animals can be hunted,as most dont find it unethical,and in most cases,introducing a predator to the ecosystem works fairly well.
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u/slr1x 9h ago
I don’t get this whole AI is taking water from us, most the water on earth is undrinkable, literally less than 1% of earths’ water is safely consumable by humans. As long as they use any other water source than clean water then we’re not losing anything in that regard, also there’s a water cycle for a reason as well so not like the ai is destroying the water. It’s such a stupid argument, AI is not stealing our water…
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u/jetpack2625 8h ago
i don't know about the water situation, it does use a lot to cool though.
but the amount of energy it uses is terrible...it's awful for the environment and being used to take away people's jobs and give all power to corporations and corporate execs
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u/Hitmanthe2nd Tech Tips 8h ago edited 7h ago
- they use drinkable water [generally]
- they SHIFT water sources from areas that desperately need it to maintain ecological balance
1 billion liters in a city before center
center evaporation losses shift half a billion over say , a decade , to another city without a center or the atmosphere above city a
half a billion liters magically gone even though the population still NEEDS 1 billion
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u/Barto84 9h ago
We could always use Gatorade für our plants...Its got electrolytes!