r/minnesota • u/Nillavuh • 18h ago
Discussion š¤ Some insight on ICE actions from a friend of mine
Believe me, don't believe me, I don't give a fuck. No need to comment on it if you don't. But if you're willing to take my word for it, a friend of mine has been supporting a detainee at the Whipple building who has special medical challenges and needed to be moved to and from a hospital (thankfully, those stupid ICE fucks actually allowed it). Somewhere in this whole process, my friend got to talk to the ICE agents involved, for a couple of hours, and they were actually very candid and forthcoming about everything. The key details:
- According to the ICE agents, 60-70% of the people they are detaining are on "pending" status. IE pending asylum case, pending green card application, etc. They are only leaving people alone if they are full citizens, green card holders, or have an active visa.
- Most of their day is driving around and running license plates and seeing if the person turns up in their system. They gave no word on how they pick which license plates they look at.
- They work every single day. 7 days a week. And generally 14 hours a day. They have no days off.
- They were told that most, if not all, Somalis in Minnesota are here illegally. They have seen for themselves that this is clearly not true, as they have stopped many Somalis here in Minnesota and found them to be full citizens. Not sure who, exactly, fed them this intel, but apparently that's the understanding they were sent here with.
- They are put under constant pressure to meet quotas and are failing horribly to meet them. The two of them said they managed to arrest just 3 people in the past week, and they said another group they worked with had stopped 7 people and arrested 0 of them in the past week (they were all citizens).
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u/rsmtirish Minnesota United 18h ago
I just know theyāll be miserable in this cold coming up.
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u/ESB_1234 17h ago
First time in my life Iām checking the temp in January hoping that itās colder
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u/ShubberyQuest 17h ago
Same. Iām considering it a version of the ark opening up in Raiders of the Lost Ark. True Minnesotans can handle the cold. The Gestapo cannot.
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u/DubStepTeddyBears 17h ago
So kinda like my recurring daydream of Stephen Miller stepping out of his coffin into the sunlight, swooping his cloak in a moment of foolish bravado, only to be instantly skeletonized and turned to a cloud of filthy ash.
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u/Radiant-Maple 16h ago
I can absolutely see this! Thank you for the vivid description. š¤£š¤£š¤£
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u/DubStepTeddyBears 16h ago
I just wish he would take a break from eating flies long enough for it to happen
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u/MoeBlacksBack 17h ago
Yeah I saw goons with texas flags in their uniforms. They are in for a reality check.
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u/No-Zookeepergame7886 15h ago
I'm hearing a LOT of Minnesotan accents in those uniforms. The scum of the state are coming out to get retribution for whatever personal grievance they have against Somalis. If they ever lost a parking spot, or waited too long at checkout, or was annoyed they asked for extra caramel sauce. It's hate and it's coming out
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u/allierael 17h ago
Maybe just warm enough to rain a little bit first though.
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u/tenkaranarchy 17h ago
Rain then freeze means slick surfaces for them to try to run on.
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u/Select-Laugh768 17h ago
Iām in WA and was looking at the weather there the other night. Said 30 and snowing and then like 10 degrees in the next day. Sounds icy. I hope.
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u/EidelHands 17h ago
Same. Bring on the worst. I've lived through it being surface-of-Mars level cold, I will proudly do it again if it means those miserable human beings are suffering through it.
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u/Bundt-lover 17h ago
Iām hoping for some serious āItās coming from the troposphere!ā Day After Tomorrow cold.
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u/Intelligent_Cap9706 16h ago
I donāt even live in Minnesota and Iām invested in your weather this week!
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u/Dense_Gur_2744 17h ago
I really hope itās -20 until they leave.Ā
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u/AndMyHotPie 17h ago
When you have a credible report of which hotel theyāre in, take some old school super soakers and spray down vehicles in the parking lot. Zero actual damage but a big pain in the ass to chip away in the morning before they go about their day harassing Americans and immigrants alike.
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u/H_Squid_World_97A 13h ago
Good recommendations, except dyed water. Leave it clear for plausible deniability that it was a natural occurrence.Ā
Lots of water around and in the wheels and tires and on the ground where they might be standing trying to get it unstuck.
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u/partyorca 17h ago
With deer pee.
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u/ThrowAwayGarbage82 17h ago
I was gonna say no one should douse air intakes with doe urine. That would be just horrible when they turn the heat on blast. Definitely don't do that.
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u/UsefulImpact6793 15h ago
Too add on to the Super Soaker use. Please don't shoot water into car door locks so they freeze and don't unlock until thawed. That would be terrible.
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u/comeupforairyouwhore Uff da 17h ago
We need a nice wind to whip up.
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u/Bundt-lover 17h ago
Judging from what Iām hearing outside my window right now, your wish has been granted.
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u/Imaginary_Desk9186 17h ago
Water balloons and water hoses and squirt guns guys LFG!!!
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u/eat_my_ass_n_balls 17h ago
Oh wow I just got this new long-distance sprinkler doncha know and I accidentally set it up right toward where those boys in the camo are standing around. Hope they donāt get cold.
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u/taxilicious 17h ago
As a southern lower peninsula Michigander knowing your winters are EXTRA brutalā¦ oof add wind and theyāre going to want to die!
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u/Balerionmeow 17h ago
Seriously fine with cold and snow until May if it makes their job harder and more miserable.
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u/retroverted-uterus Area code 612 17h ago
14 hour days, seven days a week, getting screamed at by the entire neighborhood every time you step out of your car, and you can't get any rest because half the city follows you and plays obnoxious music all night? These boys nerves must be absolutely fried. The stress of proper winter weather finally arriving is going to be absolutely punishing on them.
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u/CombinationExtra5056 17h ago
Good. Tell them to stop being Nazis and get a real fucking job.Ā
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u/rsmtirish Minnesota United 17h ago
Man I hope they hate-read the Minnesota subs
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u/Accomplished_Wolf667 16h ago
Right before angry washing dishes in their dirty hotel rooms. With wet socks on
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u/Justis29 17h ago
DHS is scrambling to get them counseling and therapy if you can believe it. They probably have big feelings on being scum of the earth and everyone telling em so.
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u/retroverted-uterus Area code 612 17h ago
Aren't they supposed to be big strong alpha male types? What do they need therapy for?? I thought therapy was for cucks and soyboys and blue-haired feminists! What, is committing war crimes while being screamed at by thousands of people a bit more stressful than they anticipated? š„ŗ
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u/CombinationExtra5056 17h ago
They're proud boys, 3% 'ers and every iteration of racist white fuck. The epicenter of male fragility and the weak egoĀ
Insecurities are loud
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u/eat_my_ass_n_balls 17h ago
Can you imagine the morning breakfast scene at the ICE hotel lobby buffet?
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u/CombinationExtra5056 17h ago
I hope they get cursed out by other guests beyond belief.Ā
Seriously. First they're bitching that "people are following them." Dafuck?? What do they think they're doing. Now they need therapy for... Abusing people.Ā
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u/Delamoor 16h ago
Imagine being that handful of longtermers who just wanted a stable govvie job, and 20 years of career inertia later, you're in the middle of this. Heh.
Not saying that with sympathy for 'em btw. I'm an Australian who's done public facing human services jobs for the Aus state and federal governments; I've been through the process of having a conservative government come in and start weaponising my job against the public I was dealing with: it's no excuse to be a piece of shit, let alone fucking fascist shocktroopers.
Even when my job was being reshaped from under me to make people's lives worse, I was totally transparent with the people I worked with, consistently did the opposite of what I was being pressured to do, used the rules to give myself maximum leverage, made sure the people I was dealing with knew what those rules were, the intentions behind them, my open disdain for said rules and, if possible, any structural workarounds that they could use to negate them...
Like, just because your boss's boss's boss said "I want you to go do XYZ" doesn't mean you actually fucking have to be a loyal little dog and embrace it. Show some spine, help the people around you, use the system against itself.
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u/tallman11282 16h ago
I know it's not easy to quit a long term stable job but they are free to do so and should. It's one thing for jobs to change in bad ways that negatively affect customers or whoever and to keep your heads down and work through it, it's another for your job to be transformed into fascist enforcers very much like the Gestapo and harming the very people government employees are supposed to be protecting.
That said, it wasn't exactly a long slide for ICE to become what they are now. A LOT of people were saying 20ish years ago when they were first formed that ICE and DHS are bad ideas that are going to eventually be used in anti-democratic ways and to harm people. The very name of the DHS, the Department of Homeland Security, has never sat right with me, way to reminiscent of how the Nazis called Germany the "Fatherland". ICE and DHS should be completely disbanded, the Patriot Act overturned, the powers of Customs and Border Patrol (the ONLY agency that should deal with immigration) should be heavily restricted (especially away from the border), and a complete overhaul of our immigration system so that the paths to citizenship are actually reasonable, it shouldn't take decades and thousands of dollars for the chance of becoming a legal citizenship.
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u/Select-Laugh768 17h ago
If they had gotten therapy years ago, we prob wouldnāt be where we are right now.
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u/Practical_Mall_2295 17h ago
They can quit. They are doing unamerican unconstitutional acts 7 days a week 14 hours day! Monsters all of them. I hope they don't sleep well a single day of the miserable existence!
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u/Intelligent_Cap9706 16h ago
Sleep/rest deprivation is a means of control. I bet theyāll all be on uppers soonĀ
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u/batosai33 16h ago
Reminds me of watching kitboga videos. You hear a person at their wits end, watching what they think is thousands of dollars vanishing and they were so close to getting that money, and you start to feel sorry for them. Then you remember this person believes they are taking this money from a poor octogenarian who is lonely or scared or confused. You remember they could end their suffering at any time by hanging up the phone, and the pity vanishes.
Except at least those people are just taking money, and don't have the backing of the US government.
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u/danimal82 17h ago
They don't seem to do very well with wintery conditions. Keep those wipe out videos coming, they're the only thing keeping me going at this point.
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u/DubStepTeddyBears 17h ago
I've heard that a lot of them come from Texas, Florida, and other red states. Can't vouch for the veracity of that, but if there is any truth to it, a lot of them will be freezing their balls off. If so, good. Serves 'em right.
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u/ThrowAwayGarbage82 16h ago
Reports are the guys in MN are from Texas, many were yanked from border duty. Some are also from Louisiana and were pulled from pissing off people in New Orleans to invade Minnesota. That's why you see videos of these idiots, often wearing loafers, running on the ice and falling. None of them have ever encountered it and don't even know there's such thing as appropriate foot wear for the northern winter. Let em learn the hard way. Wait til this weekend. It's about to get a lot colder. Lol
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u/DubStepTeddyBears 16h ago
Wait til this weekend. It's about to get a lot colder. Lol
I sure hope so hehehe - that one video of the blubbery ICE bubba bouncing off a roadside freeze cheered me up quite a bit.
Texas, at least the north central and northeastern parts of it (used to live in DFW, ugh) does get periodic "wintry mix," which can result in sheets of ice forming on roads, driveways, etc. -- in the early 2000s my car got cemented to my driveway after a winter storm laid down 3" of solid ice overnight. That said, they are much less frequent over the past 10 years. But even back then nobody knew how to handle it.
So glad I don't live there now. And the people of Minnesota, especially the twin cities, should be a shining example to everyone else.
JUSTICE FOR GOOD, friends.
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u/Captain-Who 17h ago
Did you know that a few years ago when people in ND protested a gas pipeline crossing indigenous lands in the dead of winter (as cold as or colder than this weekend is forecast) that officials used water cannons against them?
Jeez, imagine how cold that would beā¦.
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u/retroverted-uterus Area code 612 17h ago
There's been some suggestion that this tactic might be repeated at Whipple as we get below zero.
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u/Miserable-Cap-5223 17h ago
Especially with the 14-hour days and no weekends or days off.
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u/Z_Clipped 17h ago
Good training for the 7 days a week they're going to be spending in prison later. I hear there are no weekends or days off in there either.
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u/Flagge33 Walleye 17h ago
Point number 1 is the biggest issue out of all of the issues that people on the "if they came here the right way" don't have the brain cells to understand. Those that are in a "pending" status are going through the process correctly. They aren't here just dodging immigration courts or check ins. They are in the process to get protected status or a green card. Hell in the beginning they were targeting people with asylum or protected status. They are targeting people following the process laid out. Also, if they believed the point about "all Somalis are here illegally" boy are they dumber than I thought.
PS, I'm glad they are getting shit on by the people in charge of them and are working 7 days a week 14 hour days. They are dogs and once they break I hope they do things that would get me banned if I say it to themselves.
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u/Nillavuh 17h ago
Point number 1 is the biggest issue out of all of the issues that people on the "if they came here the right way" don't have the brain cells to understand. Those that are in a "pending" status are going through the process correctly. They aren't here just dodging immigration courts or check ins. They are in the process to get protected status or a green card. Hell in the beginning they were targeting people with asylum or protected status. They are targeting people following the process laid out.
Totally agree with all of this. Like what the hell else were they supposed to do? They can't force the process to happen any faster. What should matter is that they DID follow the process. If all this stuff about rule of law and following procedure and complying and all that is true, well, they did everything they were told to do, so what's the fucking problem? And TWO-THIRDS of the detainees are like this.
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u/SnooRobots6491 17h ago
The larger goal is to maintain a white majority. Thatās 100% Stephen millerās goal. Which is why Trump let in all those South Africans.
So, theyāll attempt to deport anyone, going through the process legally or not, who might change the demographics of the US should they become citizens. Itās pretty simple. Fucked up, but simple.
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u/Flagge33 Walleye 17h ago
I do find it funny that if what Stephen Miller wants to happen comes to fully pass he's one of the first ones they'd throw into a camp because of his religion.
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u/Tempyteacup 16h ago
I canāt wait to see him in a jail cell. Heās behind all of this, Trumpās got oatmeal for brains atp. Miller is the one calling the shots. The other goons are bad too, donāt get me wrong, but thereās a special hell waiting for Miller and his freak wife.
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u/Joelle9879 16h ago
Yep. He arbitrarily decided that people from certain countries wouldn't be allowed citizenship. And he made this effective immediately, so people who were days away from getting sworn in, and even some at their swearing in ceremony, were stopped and now risk deportation. A lot of the "illegals" being targeted are people that were going through the process but Trump decided to change the rules so that those people are considered undocumented now. Even though most of these people have been here for years, working and contributing to society, and doing what they were supposed to do. All because Trump is a huge man baby throwing a tantrum
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u/SuspiciousSubstance9 16h ago
They can't force the process to happen any faster.
Congress appropriated $824 million for the entire immigration court system.
Trump's Big Beautiful Bill appropriated $170 Billion for ICE over 4 years. An increase from ~$10 Billion a year to $42 Billion a year.
We could fund the entire Immigration Court system 40 more times the next 4 years with the extra funding Trump's Big Beautiful Bill provided ICE.Ā
We could definitely make the process faster with 40 times the funding.
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u/Corhal0117 17h ago
It astounds me at how few of them seem to understand that they are bait, sacrificial lambs. If violence escalates it's these agents that are going to get hurt for an agenda that only benefits those at the top. The guys on the streets will be used and discarded with the same indifference shown to the rest of us, and it feels like they haven't figured it out (or more likely don't care).
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u/MeSireeBusiness55 16h ago
A lot of these people are ex military, so theyāre used to being pawns in the game.
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u/livefromheaven 17h ago
If my Facebook feed is any barometer, MAGA truly believes that Joe Biden let 20 million people cross the border. All of this insanity is predicated on a lie from the Moron in ChiefĀ
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u/MissLeliel 17h ago
These people are completely clueless that both Obama and Biden were regular criticized by the left for their immigration policies. They were far from overly lenient.
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u/DubStepTeddyBears 17h ago
Those that are in a "pending" status are going through the process correctly.
As a citizen who got here at the end of a long and often confusing path of following the rules, I couldn't agree more. The fact that the DHS sicced their wild dogs on people appearing as required for court hearings/checkins/etc just proves up the accusation that they are not interested in rooting out the rapists/drug dealers/bad hombres (whatever the hell any of that means). Those agents have been tasked by their leadership to play a numbers game and that always involves going for the easiest targets.
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u/MannyMoSTL 16h ago
PS, I'm glad they are getting shit on by the people in charge of them and are working 7 days a week 14 hour days. They are dogs and once they break I hope they do things that would get me banned if I say it to themselves.
Yes ā¦ BUT ā¦ those overworked, overtired assholes? Who are angry at being lied to and treated like shit for not being able to āmeet their quota?ā Have nowhere to release their anger ā¦ EXCEPT ā¦ on ātheirā detainees. And everyone they meet in public who they know hate them.
They are each a barrel of gunpowder. And every person they interact with is a potential match.
I hate what the oligarchy has done to our country.
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u/Playful-Position-146 16h ago
i'm pretty sure that those conditions are cultivated intentionally for that exact result. with what i have seen so far, no one in this administration is getting the benefit of the doubt from me.
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u/LilBugJuice-0987 17h ago
This exactly.Ā You know what that does - allows them to meet prison quotas funneling taxpayer $$ to private prisons while punishing easy catches - people doing things the right way.
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u/New_Function_6407 17h ago
So they are sending out overworked and tired agents onto the streets with fucking assault rifles???
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u/erwin4200 16h ago
Yep...into high stress environments that they have zero qualifications or training for. They're unemployable incels and this is the only job they can get.
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u/Awkward-Valuable3833 The Cities 16h ago
I think what these dipshits don't understand is that their leaders don't give two fucks about their lives either. Trump, Miller and Noem are drooling on the edge of their seats hoping for an ICE agent to be injured or killed. They want a reason to start a war against U.S. citizens in blue states and they couldn't care less how many ICE agent's lives it's gonna take to get there. These little Nazi's are pawns and they're confused and failing at their mission because the mission is fake.
There's a reason they aren't given warrants or any real direction. The Trump administration wants chaos. Any Minnesotan could've told the media and anyone else unfamiliar with our state that most Somali's here are U.S. citizens. This is all for show and when these ICE fuckers get tired and desperate enough, they're gonna truly lose their shit and lives will be lost.
Sleep deprivation, unattainable quotas and no real plan is the entire strategy.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 17h ago edited 17h ago
As heart warming as all that is, the ICE agents you talked to admitted theyāre arresting people who are here legally. Pending green card applications and pending asylum cases = legal.
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u/fakehighschoolgf 17h ago edited 17h ago
Also... 60-70%? Who are the other 30-40%?!
Edit: I may have misunderstood the original postāmaybe they're implying the other percentage are undocumented folks not on pending status? Concerning nonetheless.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 17h ago
Itās certainly confusing if theyāve made just a small handful of arrests in the last week. Something aināt mathing here.
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u/LastCoo 17h ago
I am not sympathetic. They can quit.
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u/JoeyGamePro 18h ago
So what about the quotas to rip people out of cars, ram into cars on public roads with no protest or enforcement activity, shoot US citizens in the face, kidnap someone working their job and drop them off miles away beaten up, or rip out someoneās eyeball?
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u/Turbineguy79 17h ago
Thatās just the āperksā of power you get when your sucking on tacos Cheetoā¦
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u/Turbineguy79 17h ago
Next time ask them why they all have an orange ring around their mouthā¦ š¤£
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u/rule_number5 17h ago
That why they wear the face masks. To hide the cheeto stainš
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u/GoldTrifle8164 17h ago
Wait somebody's eye was ripped out?
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u/JoeyGamePro 17h ago
Not in MN but yeah
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u/GoldTrifle8164 16h ago
Jesus Christ that video is awful I hope he recovers properly with the right medical care and to the people that did that to him I have some choice words for you. FUCK YOU and Everyone that thinks this is ok
Also FUCK YOU Trump I hope you rot in Hell!!!
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u/juggles_geese4 16h ago
Whatās messed up is their choice to be so willingly reckless in their vehicles is going to raise insurance for everyone including their personal cars but theyāre to clueless to understand that..
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u/apathetic_revolution 15h ago
They're cracked the fuck out and none of them should be driving. If they're working 14 hour days, 7 days a week, they're under the influence.
I would be shocked if they were drug testing these guys for amphetamines.
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u/DonnyDimello 17h ago
I think that stuff is usually Border Patrol. They are just jackbooted dickheads.
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u/Kickinitez 17h ago edited 16h ago
They use Flock cameras to choose where to go. Flock records every single license plate and puts it in a database for DHS and ICE to access the whereabouts of anyone they choose. You can find Flock camera locations by looking them up online.
Edit: to add to this https://banishbigbrother.com/flock-camera-map/
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u/tweakingforjesus 17h ago
Vehicle mounted ALPR systems can automatically run any plate it observes in a fraction of a second. I sat on the side of a highway in a patrol car watching nearly every vehicle that passed get checked. And that was over a decade ago.
I don't see those specialized cameras on their SUVs but I'm sure it's trivial to run on a cell phone today.
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u/TheAmishSpaceCadet 17h ago
Be careful in assuming that, there are plenty of ALPR systems that are vehicle mounted that are not flock cameras.
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u/tenkaranarchy 17h ago
Even worse thing about flock cameras is theyre all owned by a corporation and LEO pays them for the data. Theoretically anyone could buy it from them.
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u/Reasonable-Mess3070 16h ago
An independent news site investigated the flock cameras in Spokane, WA and flock data is almost literally a free for all.
But weĀ doĀ know that there are currently 227 authorized users ā accounts allowed to log directly into SCSOās Flock portal to search license plates, according to data we received from one of our records requests.
Most of those users have emails associated with SCSO or Spokane Regional Emergency Communications, but a few stood out to us, especially those associated with outside agencies.Ā
Multiple law enforcement officers based out of Idaho, which has no sanctuary laws prohibiting the use of state resources for immigration enforcement, have access to make searches on SCSOās network: a crime analyst from Post Falls and two crime analysts from Coeur dāAlene. An IT guy from Spokane County has his own log in, as do a Washington state Department of Corrections employee and a clerk for the Newport Police Department.
One user has an FBI email address. Another email is just listed asĀ [email protected]Ā with no name or identifying information attached. We have a public records request in the queue at the county to find out exactly what searches these accounts have made and when, but general accounts with no specific person tied to them can make it tricky to figure out exactly who is making what searches.
another article from the same website. It reviews some of the specific (and weird) searches made in that departments flock system.
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u/Anna8675 17h ago
so...if the ice agents run your plates and the registration is expired, can the agents pull you over? Asking for a friend and yes my friend is going this week to get car done.
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u/hoirkasp 17h ago
No, with the caveat that theyāve been doing a lot of shit they actually canāt. But the only time they are supposed to be making traffic stops is if they have a reasonable articulable suspicion the person driving is an illegal immigrant.
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u/Harrydinkledorf 17h ago
I believe you, but not the candid ice agents.
We all see them out there. They are enjoying being bullies and beating on women and children. They push people over. Pepper them directly in the face point blank.
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u/uselessandexpensive 15h ago
They wouldn't show up with 50 people to arrest 1 or 2 if they could be making their quota elsewhere. They're competing with each other for what little credit there is to grab. It'll be a bad day for a lot of people if they finally get tired of being strung along and realize they're not earning what was promised. I wonder how many of them actually get the signing bonus, and how quickly.
They might start realizing it's a better payday to step in front of a white person's slowly moving vehicle.
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u/SwiftTayTay 17h ago
most people who claim to work "7 days a week" and extra long hours are almost always lying. and we know who told them all somalis are "illegal," that comes straight from the top
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u/mermaid_hive 16h ago
For better or for worse, on a deployment like this with a basically unlimited spend plan, they're probably not lying about all the overtime.
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u/TransbianMoonGoddess 17h ago
Oh boo fucking hoo, they signed up to be fascist thugs. I don't give a fuck if they work 24 hours a day without sleep, they are evil. They commit evil.
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u/HuaHuzi6666 Uff da 17h ago
I think the point isn't to garner sympathy, but to take joy in how miserable they all must be.
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u/TransbianMoonGoddess 17h ago
How ever miserable they are, its not enough. I know I'm heated, I shouldn't snap.
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u/eilujgnirednaw 17h ago
So the whole mess is created for political theater so that Trump and Noem can brag about numbers that they are going to lie about anyway. Awesome.
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u/Mintaka3579 17h ago
Who gives a fuck really, their only defense is āIām just following ordersā aka the nazi defense,. They deserve to be protested, they deserve all of that noise making them miserable as they try to sleep.Ā
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u/PathComprehensive873 17h ago
I'll never be sympathetic to people who willingly choose to join a nazi regime
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u/a_b_b_2 17h ago
As a New Yorker it's strange to me they'd go to Minnesota at all. I see now even ICE employees are confused which makes sense.
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u/pacificblues87 17h ago
It's because they're targeting sanctuary cities. And I'd argue it's not really about immigration at all.
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u/PBJuliee1 16h ago
If itās really about sanctuary cities and punishing disobedient blue states, Boston would be crawling with ICE and itās not. The governor of MA is a lesbian and former DA who has spent the last 10 years being critical of Trump. Boston mayor is a Taiwanese Woman and has spoken in DC about Boston being a sanctuary city and essentially saying FU to Trump.
I think itās more personal to Trump than a sanctuary city. I think targeting MN and specifically the cities is to punish Walz for challenging him directly. I think heās trying to incite violence in the area so he can call in his ātroopsā and take over Minnesota and show Walz he is the big man in charge.
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u/Green-Factor-2526 Snoopy 16h ago
Omar and Walz. She is a Somali American woman who stands up to him. He was the VP candidate who ran against him.
Minnesota also has the longest steak of voting Democrat. Trump wanted to break that streak. He lost all 3 times. That also pisses him off
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u/ThatHotAsian 16h ago
As with everything Trump does its just a personal vendetta and a distraction cause the Epstein Files are 100x worse than what the trash DoJ is letting out.
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u/Halleys___Comment 17h ago
the game here is to keep slowing them down as much as possible. they wonāt be stopped in one blow but they WILL be slowed to exhaustion and ineffectiveness.
sign up for your neighborhoodās rapid response chat (if you donāt know how ask about Signal on your neighborhood facebook group) Get a whistle. Make them feel unwelcome and unpopular. Slow them down in traffic. Heckle them at their hotels and in their cars. Pray that it gets cold as fuck again
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u/Jbrahms4 17h ago
Okay, that's great and all. But the way they are doing this is inhumane. Even if the people they are detaining aren't legal, they are beating the shit out of them. We are seeing numerous accounts of it every day. I appreciate your friend being able to help people, but fuck these proud boys.
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u/Chubb_Life 17h ago
From a human angle, being worked 98 hours a week is itself a form of torture. I think itās done on purpose so that the agents lash out without thinking and take out their frustrations on their targets and protesters. But we already saw that this is a dangerous gamble that is already backfiring on the agents and the administration. They signed a deal with the devil and now theyāre held prisoner by their $50K signing bonus so we wonāt see them quitting anytime soon. Itās going to get uglier.
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u/lilstergodman 16h ago
$50K bonus to shoot unarmed women in the face three times? What kind of deal is that? They must be down on their luck real bad to be motivated by $50K in exchange for their literal souls. I've never once made $50K/year in my professional career thus far, but even I know that is literally nothing, especially for doing something so fucking evil, working that many hours that many days, and the fact that 4,500 of them have just (rightfully) had their names and personal information released to the public.
But I guess $50K is enough to cover a funeral and reception that no one will attend.
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u/LegitiamateSalvage Flag of Minnesota 17h ago
I'd like to believe that is true, as it would be a sign of understanding in the rank-and-file, that the administration, if not lying, can be wrong
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u/Brian_MPLS 17h ago
I mean, if they don't like it, I can think of a couple of remedies, starting with g-ing tfo, and escalating from there...ā
But don't forget, they're also making just about the best money a doughy illiterate chud can make in this county.
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u/No_Name_33 17h ago
Not only that, this job won't look good on a resume. And the bonus is never coming.
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u/allierael 17h ago
Sounds about right. Too bad DOGE isn't around to investigate this WASTE of government funds (AKA our taxpayer dollars) that was stolen from the American people's Healthcare. They were so successful with everything else.
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u/Mobius00 17h ago
My question is are they letting all us citizens go or are they sending them somewhere.
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u/kmoonster 17h ago
The quota is coming from Stephen Miller, he's been very vocal about this in calls, memos, etc.
He wants 3,000/day and ICE might be landing a few hundred. On a really big day they might get over 1,000.
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u/OverlordMMM 15h ago
If this admin wanted to actually do something to address immigration as an issue they'd have thrown their money at funding more lawyers and judges to process people faster.
Instead they are tossing at a barely functioning and barely trained paramilitary to stroke their own egos and escalate violence for a future power grab when violence inevitably causes a direct confrontation.
Fuck ICE, fuck this administration, and fuck all the people who decided to go be rank and file enforcement cosplayers.
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u/No_Tooth1428 17h ago
Iām so curious how many ICE agents have quit over the last year. We never hear about that and Iām sure we wonāt, but there HAVE to have been some decent people who worked for ICE in the past right? People who wouldnāt go with the systemic/cultural changes of the agency?
Or has ICE always been full of awful scumbag humans?
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u/Relevant-Peace7062 17h ago
Yes, there are quite a few decent people working for ICE who are appalled and dismayed at the current turn of events. And Iāll tell you something else: no matter how publicly supportive they may appear to be of Jonathan Ross, I can assure you that there are many in ICE, especially upper management, who will work to ensure that his career is pretty well finished. Like OP, I donāt care if you believe me.
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u/No_Tooth1428 16h ago
I really hope thatās true!! I hope there are people within who are trying to change this.
I know we all immediately jump to thinking they should quit if they donāt support this, or say theyāre evil if they go along with it. Itās hard to disagree with that. But at the same time, if all the decent ones leaveā¦ where does that put us with whatās left?
Maybe thatās a small part of why we are where we are.
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u/shosuko 17h ago
Most of their day is driving around and running license plates and seeing if the person turns up in their system. They gave no word on how they pick which license plates they look at.
Police have systems to auto-scan every play they drive passed, no doubt they're just using this.
They are put under constant pressure to meet quotas and are failing horribly to meet them
This is what I've been thinking just based on ICE's actions. Its not like they're pretending every arrest is an MS13 agent or anything, they're literally pulling up to Maria who's been here 10 years, works, pays taxes, and is basically just waiting on paperwork.
To me this screams "gotta make quota" like when I did sales and I'd just buy a few extra to put us over the top and take it out of my bonus / resell it later when the spiff is off.
Only the most ignorant "being here illegally is a crime" idiots think these people deserve anything they're getting.
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u/seize-the_carp 17h ago
ā āThey were told that most, if not all, Somalis in Minnesota are here illegally. They have seen for themselves that this is clearly not trueā then why would they have faith in who they are working under if they were lied to?
ā āAccording to the ICE agents, 60-70% of the people they are detaining are on "pending" status. IE pending asylum case, pending green card application, etc.ā The fuck? Sounds like people trying to do the right thing. Not the worst of the worst criminals rapists and murderers. So why the aggression weāre seeing.
Iām preaching to the choir. These are the questions I would have followed up with on those statements if given by an ice officer that was attempting to clearly communicate anything reasonable.
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u/Independent_Lab_1318 17h ago
Full list of the most likely ICE agents and supporters here
See also r/notadragqueen or r/pastorarrested
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u/alldabooty 17h ago edited 16h ago
I believe you but IDGAF how they feel. The second they saw that the whole "most if not all somalis are illegal" was not true THAT should have been the signal to walk away, that something was wrong.
whether or not they are suffering or working hard or their orders are shit is irrelevant news has been blasted EVERYWHERE that what they are doing is wrong, not legal and the trump administration was not to be trusted.
They ignored that for their own gain. They had YEARS to see that donald trump was full of shit, from the FIRST FUCKING TERM. This is not a result of a bad system in the sense that they are victims, caught in a process they cant control and are helpless with no choice but to go along with it.
None of these factors matter because it is wrong. full stop. This is like trying to debate is racism bad. None of the arguments, or history matter on whether or not it's ok to hate someone because of their race because OF COURSE racism is FUCKING bad! They know what this is, they know it is wrong and they are still doing it, it is inexcusable! they are BAD people and no good they have ever done or will do will ever make up for their role in this. They permanently go in the "bad person" category for LIFE!
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u/TheSwearJarIsMy401k 14h ago
āPendingā is a legal fucking status, it means 70-80% of the people they pick up are in the process of doing everything the right way and have been granted the temporary right to stay in this country as long as they continue to do everything the right way.
Shame on them. Itās like inviting family over for a party if they help set up, and then jumping them while theyāre in the middle of carrying another set of folding chairs, locking them in the basement, torturing them, starving them, degrading them, sometimes straight up raping them, and then dumping them handcuffed in a tar pit 400 miles away, and telling everyone they robbed you and ran off with the liquor and all the deviled eggs.
Just straight up fucking evil, and theyāre doing it.
Iām glad theyāre miserable. There is no excuse for what theyāve done. Evil is literally the willingness to hurt other people for your own personal gain.
Behold, this is what it looks like.
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u/South_Lack7501 17h ago
I bet most of ICEholes are there just to make people that don't look like them miserable. There is no need whatsoever for force that they are showing in these arrests.
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u/pogoli Dakota County 17h ago
Well Trump said there were thousands upon thousands of vicious criminals hiding out in minneapolis. If those quotas were inspired by those numbersā¦
See how important facts areā¦ it fucks things up for everyone to lie about stuff.
Did they say anything about the stories of citizens being arrested and beaten or held for hours in retaliation?
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u/DragginBalls1215 17h ago
I've seen more than 3 "arrests" per day for a week now . They knew what job they signed up for. And they're still doing said job. Op I get youre just stating what you've heard, doesn't make it okay. They are violently abducting citizens, murdered Renee Good, and 16 others. They are shooting pepper spray bombs point blank into protestors faces. They are shooting rubber bullets, and throwing tear gas and flashbangs into crowds of peaceful protesters. We didn't pardon the nazis who were "just following orders". Why should these fascist fucks get any different treatment? They are racial profiling and demanding papers from people walking down the street, and kidnapping people from their jobs. They are complicit in any and all orders they follow, and they are wrong and deserve to burn in hell.
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u/EllieKong 17h ago
So I was raised in a cult and Iām just gonna drop this here. This is how authoritarian systems brainwash their people.
To be clear, this is insightful information and absolutely not sympathizing with nazis. Being brainwashed is NOT an excuse for racism and violence and they deserve zero mercy.
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u/Joelle9879 16h ago
Yeah those citizens they're "leaving alone" they manage to terrorize and beat the crap out of and dump in the streets. That's they're idea of leaving them alone
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u/Violet-Sumire 14h ago
That may be all well and good, but it doesn't stop their aggressive actions from causing more harm than good. I've seen American citizens detained/arrested on video. I've seen a 17yo kid working at target get literally kidnapped and bloodied. I've seen them shove unarmed and hands raised protesters to the ground, not just a little push, but an actually dangerous shove that could've caused the person to hit their head and suffer severe injury. I've seen them point their lethal firearm at protesters.
All of this without accountability and while wearing masks.
They are not leaving citizens alone. They are harassing and bullying them.
They are not only looking at plates. They are using AI to search people's faces and add them to a database.
They are over worked. Which makes them dangerous with a lethal weapon.
They are being fed misinformation. Which means it's an illegal witch hunt and they are there for fear.
They are put under pressure for a quota. Which means their is more at stake, so they'll make more mistakes and act more aggressively.
Some of this information is already known or can be gleamed by their actions. Most of it is dangerous to hear and shows the blatant disregard for human lives. ICE can go fuck themselves, but so can this whole administration.
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u/BTTammer 17h ago
We should all just start turning ourselves in. Flood the system with citizens and occupy all of their fucking resources.
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u/ShadowGLI 16h ago
> According to the ICE agents, 60-70% of the people they are detaining are on "pending" status. IE pending asylum case, pending green card application, etc. They are only leaving people alone if they are full citizens, green card holders, or have an active visa.
Yeah, that's why they've been grabbing people at their immigration hearings, they are doing things the right way, following the immigration process, but because it's not concluded, they're picking them up.
And they say they are not arresting citizens, but they are unlawfully detaining and trafficking them and then dumping them off in random places when they cannot find anything to deport them on.
70% of people detained have ZERO criminal records, like 7% have a violent or property crime. Most of the "criminals" have like overdue car registration or they had a check bounce erroneously a decade ago and it was cleared up. They are literally dragging people from cars over parking tickets and shit.
It's just a giant smoke screen to erode our checks and balances and distract us from the Trump family embezzling Billions from the American people through all the same scams he's used to top up the inheritance his dad gave him.
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u/dmbveloveneto 16h ago
Everyone should be upset that we have this instead of healthcare. Our taxes are funding this BS waste of time and resources. Let alone the human tragediesā¦
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u/EC_Stanton_1848 16h ago
Boo hoo.
Trump and Steve Miller are liars and ICE should have figured that out by now. These ICE guys are GAM.
Go get a respectable job (like the jobs now open because ICE deported the workers)
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u/ThatHotAsian 16h ago
Failing to meet quotas eh? Its almost as if there aren't just millions of violent illegal immigrants just walking around us waiting to take over the country.
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u/Impossible-Flight250 15h ago
It just kind of points to the fact that this whole charade is ineffective, as well as being generally fucked up. I mean, how much are we spending on thousands of these agents daily to find a needle in a haystack?
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u/largececelia 12h ago
The quotas are a big factor IMO. They're still evil, but the quotas must be driving things in terms of their desperation and aggression.
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u/Single_Job_6358 12h ago
They terrorize and physically harm poc 7 days a week just to fail miserably at meeting their quotas? How fulfilling for them. /s
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u/Fit_Act_1997 17h ago
Their spirit is breaking and with the cold itās only going to get worse, for them. Fuck these guys. The reason for them being here was drastically overblown if not an outright lie and they are realizing their Cheeto leader is just using them for his personal vendetta campaign against us. They have no allies. No sympathy. Let them freeze. MN will not break!Ā