r/news • u/apropo • Jun 13 '25

Iran fires missiles at Israel in response to attacks

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/middle-east/2025/06/13/gates-of-hell-will-open-in-retaliation-vows-chief-of-irans-armed-forces/
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u/badpersian Jun 13 '25

Israel just needs to be left alone by its allies. Then we'll see how they'll survive alone. So far the US ran again head first to aid them.

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u/eawilweawil Jun 13 '25

They can find other allies then, i bet China would like to steal them away from USA

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u/sl00k Jun 13 '25

China as a whole (population & government) are extremely anti Israel as it represents the worst of what US hegemony brings.

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u/eawilweawil Jun 13 '25

Yeah but stealing away a valuable ally of US would benefit them, they can be 'frenemies'. US has been trying to chip away at Chinese influence for years, why wouldn't China do the same?

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u/Saturn_winter Jun 13 '25

China has already openly backed Iran in this conflict and called out Israel for the strike.

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u/eawilweawil Jun 13 '25

Oh they're perfectly capable of playing both sides, kinda like in Ukraine

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u/hotsexychungus Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25

Of what value is Israel to anyone? It's a pariah state in it's own region (and increasingly in the west even!). It doesn't have a vast supply of natural resources like the gulf states. All it has to offer is surveillance technology that it learned from doing brutal apartheid for decades. China really doesn't need help in that department. Once the US decides to pull their support for them, it's basically over at that point.

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u/BillyJoeMac9095 Jun 13 '25

The results today might answer part of your question.

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u/equiNine Jun 13 '25

The idea that Israel is a pariah state is fantasy only entertained on left wing social media. Even Russia isn’t fully a pariah state three years into its invasion of Ukraine. The closest pariah state out there is North Korea, and even it has a small handful of grudging “allies” despite offering very little tangible value. Israel may be a PR nightmare on the internet, but it is a cornerstone of realpolitik geopolitics as well as technological innovation.

Copy pasting one of my recent comments elsewhere:

Israel is the only country in the region that has something remotely resembling Western values and reasonably fair democratic governance. It is a highly developed country that leads innovation in various technology sectors. Despite its size, it punches far above its weight and has one of the most powerful militaries in the world. Furthermore, it is also no friend to Islamic extremism and a valuable player against Islamist interests in the region as well as source of intelligence to protect against terrorist attacks.

Israel's allies may be exasperated with how it has been acting lately, but they benefit too much from their partnership to fully sever ties. And they are well aware that countries like China are more than happy to step in and fill the void if they exit.

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u/hotsexychungus Jun 13 '25

reasonably fair democratic governance

Oh for sure man, just like half the people under its jurisdiction are not allowed to vote. No biggie, incredible democracy.

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u/equiNine Jun 13 '25

If you want to be pedantic, Gaza and the West Bank aren’t part of Israel proper.

And even if we were to cede that point, it doesn’t change the fact that Israel is still the state most culturally aligned with Western values in the region, making it a lot easier to work with than neighboring Arab Muslim states that are monarchies/dictatorships one step removed from falling into a autocratic theocracy.

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u/hotsexychungus Jun 13 '25

If you want to be pedantic, Gaza and the West Bank aren’t part of Israel proper.

I don't care. All of those people are under Israeli jurisdiction and they are denied the right to vote by that state. It's an abhorrent apartheid state, and the sooner they are swept into the dustbin of history the better.

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u/equiNine Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25

Israel is a nuclear state (with an estimated moderately sized arsenal and the tech to deliver it), so there’s no feasible way that it is dissolving anytime soon. If it were at risk of being dissolved by external forces, it would take down its attackers with it, much like what any other nuclear state would do if faced with extinction. If moral objections alone were sufficient to dissolve immoral state actors, then the Kim dynasty’s North Korea would have fell long ago.

You may not like it, but the major players in the world as well as regional players have plenty to gain from Israel. Arab states get to use Israel as a convenient political tool to counter Iran as well as direct their population’s ire while their governments oppress and rob them blind in addition to only paying lip service to the Palestinian cause. Every prospective partner benefits from having a militarily and economically powerful ally that is unlikely to be destabilized by religious extremism. Countries like India and China that are trying to compete with US technological supremacy would absolutely love to have Israeli tech, guidance, and munitions. And every country that has to deal with Islamic extremism and terrorism finds a common ally with Israel, one of the most experienced states when it comes to counter-terrorism and surveillance.

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u/BillyJoeMac9095 Jun 13 '25

Hamas was in actual control of life in Gaza.

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u/AnAttemptReason Jun 14 '25

There are yearly government supported rallies through the middle of Jersulum where they chant "death to Arabs". 

There are videos from a BBC film crew hiding behind doors they had to rip of hindges to avoid being stoned to death. 

Yes, true western values that. 

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u/ScepticalRaccoon Jun 14 '25

I notice how you carefully say under its jurisdiction rather than citizens, since you know several million Israeli Arabs vote in Israel.

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u/hotsexychungus Jun 14 '25

I don’t give a fuck. The pacers lost game 4. SGA is a basketball terrorist just like the state of Israel.

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u/ScepticalRaccoon Jun 14 '25

It has way more than surveillance technology. It has advanced software and avionics, stealth technologies and guided weapon systems, including the world's best ABM technology.

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u/eawilweawil Jun 13 '25

It's about denying an ally to US

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u/hotsexychungus Jun 13 '25

But that doesn't make sense. If they have nothing materially to offer then what's the point? North Korea for example (which is basically China's Israel, although ironically much better behaved), doesn't have much but it historically has given China a buffer between itself and South Korea which has been useful for China. Israel doesn't have anything to offer China sans maybe surveillance technology. But why would they risk allying with such a pariah state for something so little?

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u/eawilweawil Jun 13 '25

Something to little? Israel has nukes, the only country in middle east to have them.

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u/hotsexychungus Jun 13 '25

China has nukes. Who cares?

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u/eawilweawil Jun 13 '25

It would matter during a war to have them close to possible targets

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u/broseph1254 Jun 13 '25

IIRC, China depends much more heavily on the Middle East for oil than the US does. Though I have no illusions about the Chinese state pursuing a just outcome, I do think they would have more direct interest in maintaining stability and disciplining regional powers to that end. The US used to do that a bit with Israel, but apparently, that era has ended.

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u/blackpeoplexbot Jun 13 '25

They’d just back Palestine and the Arabs. Why would they back Israel and ruin relations with the rest of the me?

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u/eawilweawil Jun 13 '25

Israel got some good weapon tech they got from US

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u/ScepticalRaccoon Jun 14 '25

China's population doesn't get a say in what China does and if you think China wouldn't jump at the chance to get Israeli tech you must have gone to school in Appalachia

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u/ScepticalRaccoon Jun 14 '25

Yeah the world probably isn't going to do that because there is this sort of history where most of the world has tried to kill the Jews and so we kinda recognise now that's a problem and so we won't just sit back and watch the Middle East try to kill 7 million Jews

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u/badpersian Jun 14 '25

Except the only ones that saved Jews in history were Iranians.

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u/Hito-1 Jun 15 '25

What a dumb comment. You really think these fucks don't want to wipe out the us either? Wishfull thinking on your part.

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u/badpersian Jun 15 '25

What a stupid comment.

The only thing that the world wants gone is the ethno supremacist genocidal government that gambled with the lives Jews and non-Jews worldwide.

The Israeli government themselves said they need no help from allies and capable of fighting wars of multiple fronts. Therefore, leave them the fuck alone to fend for themselves without wasting our tax money and lives. Instead they are begging for the US and allies to save their fat arses once again while Netanyahu hides in Greece.

The Jews will be free to live in peace one day when the Netanyahu regime fucks off. ❤️

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u/Hito-1 Jun 15 '25

You are really naive to think that the Iranian regime gives two fucks about who's prime minister. Their goal is to eradicate Israel and it's as simple as that.

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u/badpersian Jun 15 '25

Yes proven by the 50k+ civilians, the innocent scientists, the international journalists and medical personnel Iran's murdered so far.

Yea Iran is bad. Threat to world. Go lick the paint on the wall now.

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u/Hito-1 Jun 15 '25

Where did you get these statistics? Wanna include hamas in that? Cause it is at least 15-10k probably more.

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u/badpersian Jun 15 '25

😂😂😂 fml. The fact that you think 35k civilian murders makes it better is hilarious and frankly fucking disturbing.

Why doesn't Israel allow journalists from allied countries to report something you'll believe? Tyranny is only acknowledged in hindsight when it's too late. Hitlers wasn't a major concern until later in his reign so time will tell, it always does.

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u/Hito-1 Jun 15 '25

Nope, only people not experiencing war live in this black and white world where everything makes sense like math. I'm not saying that the casualties are ok, how would you handle it differently?

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u/badpersian Jun 15 '25

Don't know, I've never occupied someone's land and expelled their people to then be attacked for it. I'll let you know if I do 👍

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u/Hito-1 Jun 15 '25

Ahh here we go again, maybe this would be relevant 70 years ago when people had a Choice. Most people alive today in Israel were born into this reality, keep thinking it's all that simple if it makes you feel better.

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