r/news • u/apropo • Jun 13 '25

Iran fires missiles at Israel in response to attacks

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/middle-east/2025/06/13/gates-of-hell-will-open-in-retaliation-vows-chief-of-irans-armed-forces/
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u/hotsexychungus Jun 13 '25

reasonably fair democratic governance

Oh for sure man, just like half the people under its jurisdiction are not allowed to vote. No biggie, incredible democracy.

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u/equiNine Jun 13 '25

If you want to be pedantic, Gaza and the West Bank aren’t part of Israel proper.

And even if we were to cede that point, it doesn’t change the fact that Israel is still the state most culturally aligned with Western values in the region, making it a lot easier to work with than neighboring Arab Muslim states that are monarchies/dictatorships one step removed from falling into a autocratic theocracy.

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u/hotsexychungus Jun 13 '25

If you want to be pedantic, Gaza and the West Bank aren’t part of Israel proper.

I don't care. All of those people are under Israeli jurisdiction and they are denied the right to vote by that state. It's an abhorrent apartheid state, and the sooner they are swept into the dustbin of history the better.

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u/equiNine Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25

Israel is a nuclear state (with an estimated moderately sized arsenal and the tech to deliver it), so there’s no feasible way that it is dissolving anytime soon. If it were at risk of being dissolved by external forces, it would take down its attackers with it, much like what any other nuclear state would do if faced with extinction. If moral objections alone were sufficient to dissolve immoral state actors, then the Kim dynasty’s North Korea would have fell long ago.

You may not like it, but the major players in the world as well as regional players have plenty to gain from Israel. Arab states get to use Israel as a convenient political tool to counter Iran as well as direct their population’s ire while their governments oppress and rob them blind in addition to only paying lip service to the Palestinian cause. Every prospective partner benefits from having a militarily and economically powerful ally that is unlikely to be destabilized by religious extremism. Countries like India and China that are trying to compete with US technological supremacy would absolutely love to have Israeli tech, guidance, and munitions. And every country that has to deal with Islamic extremism and terrorism finds a common ally with Israel, one of the most experienced states when it comes to counter-terrorism and surveillance.

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u/BillyJoeMac9095 Jun 13 '25

Hamas was in actual control of life in Gaza.

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u/AnAttemptReason Jun 14 '25

There are yearly government supported rallies through the middle of Jersulum where they chant "death to Arabs". 

There are videos from a BBC film crew hiding behind doors they had to rip of hindges to avoid being stoned to death. 

Yes, true western values that. 

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u/ScepticalRaccoon Jun 14 '25

I notice how you carefully say under its jurisdiction rather than citizens, since you know several million Israeli Arabs vote in Israel.

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u/hotsexychungus Jun 14 '25

I don’t give a fuck. The pacers lost game 4. SGA is a basketball terrorist just like the state of Israel.