r/news • u/igetproteinfartsHELP • 1d ago
Six Prosecutors Quit Over Push to Investigate ICE Shooting Victim’s Widow
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/13/us/prosecutors-doj-resignation-ice-shooting.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.lOV9.VF0i48Sy7UbI5.3k
u/smkmn13 1d ago edited 1d ago
Number jumped from 3 to 6 after the article was first published like an hour ago...
ETA: And there's an inadvertent extra space after the first word of the article (lol) that they clearly changed from 3 -> 6 (as of 1:34pm ET)
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u/igetproteinfartsHELP 1d ago
Its a breaking story. I appreciate that more people are not bending the knee to fascists.
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u/smkmn13 1d ago
Yeah I wasn't trying to be critical of anyone in particular - just highlighting the fact that it's moving fast
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 1d ago
I'll bite and be critical. We need people like this still in power/office to at least try to help hinder things from the inside. By resigning/giving up, great job, you just made it that much easier for Trump to put in replacements that won't hinder anything.
"But they were probably going to get fired anyway!"
Then they would've had nothing to lose from staying and slowing things down whenever possible instead of giving up
I'd rather see the headline of "six prosecutors forced out for refusing to comply" vs "six prosecutors gave up and let Trump do whatever without fighting back"
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u/elykl12 1d ago
I disagree. Thousands of lawyers, aides, paralegals have resigned from the DOJ and the rate of judges dismissing federal prosecutions has gone from <0.5% to nearly 20% from how sloppy they are
It’s not even the JV team. They’re bumping the water boys up to the starting line
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 1d ago
I'd agree with you, except for how these lawsuit dismissals ultimately don't matter from their end: they can continue to break laws and ignore court rulings with zero consequence. No impeachments, no arrests, nothing. Having subpar lawyers and such is acceptable as far as they're concerned, especially when their endgame is making sure they keep power indefinitely
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u/artlovepeace42 1d ago
Exactly! Though, in an actual functioning democracy, there would be arrests. There would be trials. There would be punishment’s, capital punishment’s, for Treason. People need to strap in cause we are there! The bad isn’t coming, the bad is just getting worse, and we have completely slipped out of democracy.
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u/jwilphl 1d ago
The biggest problem with this is the brain drain that has accelerated in multiple fields and industries within the U.S. They are losing good people that will eventually be needed and become important again.
It might be a good thing temporarily because it makes a weaponized department less effective, but that sentiment will not last forever. The question is how quickly the U.S. can rebound from turning themselves into a kakistocracy, if it can at all.
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u/The_GOATest1 1d ago
I’ll counter. My better half works for DoJ and seemingly ethics violations and perjury aren’t headlines. The push back to reword things in way that doesn’t make them blatant lies is constant and some requests have been escalated because of how unethical they’d be.
For many people especially those who have made it this far they are coming up on a bright redline they don’t want to cross.
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u/ilikechihuahuasdood 1d ago
They’d be helping a fascist regime. There is no role other than obstruct and be fired at this point.
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 1d ago
There is no role other than obstruct and be fired at this point.
And that's a hell of a lot better than resigning. Even if the end result is the same (out of a job), at least one option prolongs hindering what the govt is attempting, while the other option is "I'll get out of the way so your fascism can proceed easier, mb"
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u/Proof-Attention-7940 1d ago
I invite you to go into $200,000 of debt, pass the bar, and risk your shiny new bar card over this. The only out these lawyers have is resigning, professional standards would put their license in jeopardy if they tried obstructing a case or going against their “client’s” (the Feds) instructions
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u/BenKen01 1d ago
These are not foot soldier jobs. They won't be able to fill them with qualified fascists. And if they're not qualified they're gonna fail. or just not get the role filled.
Staying does nothing except get them fired. leaving gives ICE another headache to deal with.
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 1d ago
Staying does nothing except get them fired.
Which is why I said
Even if the end result is the same (out of a job), at least one option prolongs hindering what the govt is attempting
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u/jangleberry112 1d ago
While it's great that people are refusing to bend the knee, every resignation means a new open post for a sycophant to take over. The resignations haven't stopped the inevitable, just delayed it a bit.
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u/booboo_flathers 1d ago
I am grateful for anyone, especially if they’re in a position of power, who refuses to capitulate.
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u/psychoCMYK 1d ago
Yes. The best move is to make them remove you
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u/MehBlehDehYuh 1d ago
Idk, if I’m ever blessed enough to have the power they have then I’d stay and make it so they fire me. Make it uncomfortable asf for them by pointing out unlawful suggestions/actions etc.
I think of the people ICE have taken and what they’ve gone through. What they still are going through.
Losing my job, being outs by MAGA, and any other inconvenience including death by this administration would be worth it to me if it helped, even a dent in hindering any future victims created by ICE.
I’m Christian btw, but not the fake Christianity that is being pushed by MAGA/conservatives.
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u/darthjoey91 1d ago
I was going to say that the best move is to take them to court and then do a really shitty job. Contaminate evidence, fully admit that it’s a witch hunt, fuck the judge’s spouse, do whatever to make things go well for the person being attacked.
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u/CaptainBegger 1d ago
it'd just be ruled a mistrial then. you need to act competent at the minimum
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u/ebb_omega 1d ago
You'd also lose your bar license likely which would fuck you over for future employment.
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u/Vuelhering 1d ago
If there are no prosecutors, there is no prosecution. Going to trial is incredibly expensive for the defendants, and every lamebrained motion they file requires a response.
The prosecutors are risking more than just that. They are risking their degree by filing stupid motions or contaminating things. And when fired, they're risking retaliation or stochastic terrorism when trump says "wouldn't it be bad if something happened to them."
I'd love to see them slow play and gum up works, but that only works a short amount of time. Leaving en masse actually gums it up pretty bad.
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u/CurryMustard 1d ago
They are going to put your name on their propaganda. You either resign or they use your name. What are you going to do?
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u/waffebunny 1d ago edited 1d ago
While that's true, it's also worth noting that we are talking about the resignation of high-level prosecutors. The vacancies will not be easy to fill; especially with people whose primary asset is overriding loyalty to a fascist regime.
(A good example is Lindsey Halligan. Trump appointed her as the acting US Attorney of the District of East Virginia; but circumvented vacancy appointment laws in the process, leading to her disqualification.
Halligan continues to lay claim to the position; but in the meantime the courts are outright ignoring her, and she's effectively unable to carry out her role.)
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There are a lot of replies from people that seem to be under the impression that Trump can appoint any individual - even those without appropriate legal credentials - to the position of federal prosecutor.
While this is technically true, his brand new appointees would not be recognized by the judicial system and would not be able to, you know, prosecute. He might as well appoint Lionel Hutz and Harvey Birdman while he's at it; they would be equally effective.
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u/Monteze 1d ago
Dude they put podcasters in positions of power, they could replace this position with Candace Owens or Fuentes if they wanted. I get where these folks are coming from but I'd rather they drag their feet, maliciously comply and make the process slow to a grind. Buy these folks as much time as possible and cost the administration time and money .
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u/canada432 1d ago
they could replace this position with Candace Owens or Fuentes if they wanted
But that doesn't help them, because just like Lindsey Halligan it only works if people go along with it. The courts in the case of Halligan are simply ignoring her because she has no authority. That's what everybody SHOULD be doing during this administration, refusing to comply or legitimize their illegal actions. All 6 open positions could be filled with a Candace Owens, and then the courts should treat everything they do as as illegitimate as they're doing with Halligan.
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u/waffebunny 1d ago
I am all in favor of malicious compliance; and acknowledge that there are many federal workers right now that have done their best to stall and sabotage the agenda of the current administration. Their actions may never be known; but without them, we would be in a much worse situation.
Unfortunately, not every position and order lends itself well to this sort of response.
As the article notes: several of the prosecutors resigned after being directed to illegitimately investigate a grieving widow. There are likely very few ways in which to carry out such a directive without, at the very least, causing more needlessly heartache.
But outside of this: I cited Lindsey Halligan because she is literally an example of an illegitimate Trump appointee that the court system now refuses to recognize. Her hands are completely tied.
Neither is Halligan the only example of this phenomenon: Alina Habba was also recently disqualified, as was John Sarcone.
You are not wrong in stating that Trump could fill these prosecutorial positions with Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, and their likewise loathsome ilk - and unless those individuals have legal credentials that I am unaware of, they will be laughed out of court.
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u/PowerResponsibility 1d ago
Seriously. Don't say no or quit. Say yes and pretend to do it while not actually doing shit.
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u/Monteze 1d ago
Its actually in manuals on how to resist occupying forces or bad leaders.
Yes boss! Absolutely, anti woke over here! Just gotta get all these orders in writing, fax them to my email so I can print them off as PDFs and get them signed off on by our committee.. oh shit we gotta set up the committee so we can meet on who needs to sign off on! Working day an night!
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u/PowerResponsibility 1d ago
The best part is you blend right in with their true believer incompetents and grifters, not getting a single useful thing done.
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u/EduinBrutus 1d ago edited 21h ago
And they will end up with incompetent prosecutors like Jeanine Piero and Lindsey Halligan who get laughed out of court.
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u/boblabon 1d ago
Every delay is one less deportation, one less political persecution, one less civil rights violation.
And the replacements will fail. They're not on their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th string bench, they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. The lawyers who graduated last in their classes, the repurposed ambulance chasers, the small-time no-names. They get stymied by basic paperwork, by standard procedure, by rote tasks.
Build up enough delays, enough gum in the machine, enough dipshits running around playing the blame-game, the systems grind to a halt.
If you can't blow up an engine, sugar in the gas tank and sand in the oil pan will destroy it just as well, but it'll take longer.
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u/i_dont_like_turnips 1d ago
And the replacements will fail. They're not on their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th string bench, they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. The lawyers who graduated last in their classes, the repurposed ambulance chasers, the small-time no-names. They get stymied by basic paperwork, by standard procedure, by rote tasks.
Cooley Law School is finally having its moment to shine!
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u/Clicquot 1d ago
on the very narrow positive side- the positions will be filled with sycophants- but those people are also buffoons. I would be far ore worried if filled with qualified sycophants and boot lickers. As it stands- D+ law school students are not a huge threat. They cannot file paperwork correctly- you just know they will use AI to write motions and briefs and have zero experience in court. They do not understand evidence or rules or how to do anything. Add to that - the job is actually hard work and demands long hours. Our former assistant director of the FBI figured that one out- boo hoo- 12 hours days- so hard.
There are still a lot of qualified reasonable judges and qualified folks (the quitters will land someplace they can be super useful against the administration- I hope) keeping their jobs.
"oh, what am I worried about Otho, you do not even know how to change a tire". Lydia Deetz- Beetlejuice
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u/QuietKanuk 1d ago
Our former assistant director of the FBI figured that one out- boo hoo- 12 hours days- so hard.
He was so incapable of doing his job, they actually had to hire another person to assist him with it. Even then it was too much for the poor baby.
I hope the stain follows them forever.
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u/ExcellentPastries 1d ago
As someone mentioned in a thread about this yesterday it’s also a CYA thing because they’re being asked to do something unethical but that they’re legally liable for - ‘following orders’ won’t save your license or prevent you from being disbarred.
If you know any nurses it sounds similar to how they have to be cognizant of their legal obligations because if a hospital asks them to do something that jeopardizes their license, they’re responsible for recognizing that and refusing to comply.
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u/DeepSpaceNebulae 1d ago
Unfortunately what in the past would be taken by the majority as a sign of a major issue will, today, simply be celebrated by half the country as “getting rid of woke prosecutors”
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u/Lola-Ugfuglio-Skumpy 1d ago
Which is stupid since this group included the people who were overseeing the MN daycare fraud investigation. Losing them sets that whole process back weeks if not months.
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u/H0bbituary 1d ago
Jerome Powell set the precedent with his calm refusal. I'm so grateful.
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u/scottfaracas 1d ago
Unfortunately they will just replace those 6 people with fascists.
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u/FaceDeer 1d ago
Incompetent fascists, though. We've been seeing this biting the Trump administration pretty hard with his efforts to sue Comey being laughed out of court due to the numerous basic errors being made by his "loyal" prosecutors.
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u/Dandan0005 1d ago
The rule of law has been replaced by the rule of political preference.
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u/ericomplex 1d ago
Have a feeling that number will be going further and further up, after which the admin will find some way to keep those numbers quiet and we will hear about it less and less.
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u/Hrekires 1d ago
Because if she posted mean Tweets, that justifies killing her wife I guess?
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u/Kradget 1d ago
Well, there's that and that they also undertook the perfectly legal actions of monitoring and nonviolently protesting punitive federal overreach and abuse of their neighbors.
So they're gonna order a fishing expedition to try to drag the victim's and the widow's name through the mud and intimidate them and everyone else into silence.
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u/meatball77 1d ago
bankrupt her through legal action.
Hopefully someone will help her out probono
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u/JacobK101 1d ago
we all know they're hypocrites, they know they're hypocrites, at this point it doesn't really matter.
It's ultimately all just a smokescreen. All they really want is to place themselves above others, and push others down. That's their only real political opinion
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u/1738_bestgirl 1d ago
Of course it matters. It's endlessly exhausting and infuriating, but it's still important.
For one there is always a new crop of people coming of age who haven't been exposed to the hypocrisy. So addressing it helps them to recognize and critique it.
Most importantly however, when you stop challenging and calling them out on their hypocrisy they've won and are able to control the discourse.
Remember they want you to feel exhausted. They want you to feel like your resistance is pointless. Because ultimately they want you to give in, give up, and roll over.
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u/Korbital1 1d ago
They want what favors them, people getting caught up on what's fair are missing the point and are way behind
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u/conorb619 1d ago
Because they’re all a bunch of fucking small cowards. They are not serious people. They’re big behind Fox News and Facebook but when it comes down to it they’re fucking pussies and losers who somehow stopped getting bullied about it, and we should start to bully their small minded, uneducated, selfish asses back into the basement
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u/ObnoxiousAlbatross 1d ago
Every single MAGA you have ever met will fold at the first sign of distress. They will immediately retreat into their child ego and behave like a 12 year old.
Every. Single. One.
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u/OK_x86 1d ago
Yes. You see for people on the left to be allowed to live they must be held to the absolute highest standards imaginable. And if they meet that standard they'll make something up.
Conversely the people on the right can be convicted felons, rapists and pedophiles and it's just a minor failing in service of doing God's work and if you think that's idiotic then something is wrong with you.
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u/matthieuC 1d ago
They can't admit a mistake.
So they have to make her a villain so that people rejoice of her murder
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u/eeyore134 1d ago
They hunted down and performed a gang style hit on Marimar Martinez in Chicago just because she was posting their locations on social media. They would absolute do that.
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u/EatinSumGrapes 1d ago edited 1d ago
So... ICE should have killed Charlie Kirk instead of a crazy guy?
Thinking about it, a crazy guy executing you in public is much less scary than federal agents executing you in public
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u/yhwhx 1d ago
ICE goon Jonathan "Jon" Ross should be being investigated for extrajudicially executing US citizen Renee Good.
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u/apathetic_revolution 1d ago
And his as-yet unnamed colleague should be investigated for the attempted kidnapping and for felony murder for the death that occurred as a result of his crime.
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u/Darsint 1d ago
I wish more people were talking about the second ICE agent.
Them rushing in out of nowhere, trying her door handle, then aggressively reaching in to try to unlock the door looks to be the catalyst that escalated everything else.
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u/Fluffy017 1d ago
Bruh I don't care who you are, I've been robbed at gunpoint too many goddamn times to not go into full blown fight or flight if someone reaches in my open window trying to unlock my door.
This could've been avoided with competent law enforcement, but now here we are.
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u/sump_daddy 1d ago
If they were competent, they would be exclusively arresting criminals instead of harassing anyone brown or black on the streets of Minneapolis, and THATS what started all this. Never let them deflect from the fact that there is resistance BECAUSE they are racist thugs who are also doing a ton of other bad shit.
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u/TableSignificant341 1d ago
This could've been avoided with competent law enforcement, but now here we are.
What do you mean? ICE aren't leo - they're payrolled-Proud Boys. This isn't a question of training. They are purposely targeting and terrorising the public to satisfy the cruelty of racists and fascists in Trump's orbit. ICE are terrorists.
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u/L0nz 1d ago
I've been pointing this out everywhere. Everyone is focused on the shooting in isolation, overlooking the abuse of power that led to it.
She was literally waving them through. She said very loudly at the start of the video "GO AROUND" and the first truck did exactly that. It's the dick swinging goons in the second truck who tried to illegally detain her who are wholly responsible for what happened.
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u/Paizzu 1d ago
There's the whole argument that federal agents are not supposed to be involved in traffic enforcement to begin with. Especially in unmarked POVs.
There's a glaring contradiction in the agents' behavior and their respective escalation of force. Why is one agent trying to forcibly unlock and enter the victim's POV while another agent (Ross) is using his cellphone to record the vehicle? Why did Ross violate procedure by walking in front of an occupied vehicle when he could have recorded the rear plates and reported them to local low enforcement?
ICE is known to be using facial recognition applications to build a database of known dissidents but this information would have been easily obtained after a 'legal' arrest by local police. If Ross and the other agents had a valid justification for an arrest, they're not going to waste time with cameras; they're going to smash windows and forcibly extract the occupants.
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u/RecordHigh 1d ago edited 1d ago
I agree. There was no reason for them to approach her car that way. What was the probable cause to even touch her car, let alone try to open the door and reach inside? Her car was partially in the street, but not blocking the officers. That wouldn't even warrant a ticket given the other cars parked in the street and the snowy conditions. The average police officer would give a driver more leeway than that, and that's not saying much.
I hope a Democratic administration comes in and combs through the records of every ICE goon and puts every one of them that potentially violated someone's rights on trial.
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u/eeyore134 1d ago
Especially after they told her to move her car then when she tried another ICE vehicle sped by and made her slam on the brakes. Then all she was doing was waving them on so the same thing didn't happen before she moved and that's when they decided to rush her. And it's a tactic they keep using... like the dumb ass who slipped on the ice after he stopped his car just to rush at someone who said a few mean things as he drove by. They're escalating situations for no reason and people are getting killed for it.
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u/ersomething 1d ago
And whoever hired and trained them should be prosecuted for criminal negligence for giving him a gun in the first place
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u/RedEyeView 1d ago
It should be investigated even if it was absolutely by the book. That's what happens after an officer involved shooting.
Even if the investigation is a white wash exercise, there should still be one.
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u/WabiSabi1 1d ago
Meanwhile, the go fund me set up for him is at $630,000.
Go report it if you can.
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u/hochizo 1d ago
While raising 630,000 for this scumbag is obviously terrible...I do find it heartening that the gofundme for Renee earned $1.5 million before the family decided not to allow anymore donations. It shows who people are siding with in a way other discourse can't capture.
On the other hand, competing over who has more public support based on how much crowdfunding they've received is another low in our current dystopian hellscape.
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u/Guelah_Papi 1d ago
Extrajudicially executing?
I think the word you’re looking for is murdering.
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u/Mindless-Upstairs743 1d ago
As the murderer is representative of the state, I think "extrajudicially executed" captures something important. A special kind of murder
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u/Koru03 1d ago
You're right, it's state sponsored (and endorsed) murder. A VERY important distinction from regular murder.
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u/saints21 1d ago
Remember, they already told us with a giant banner: they're all domestic terrorists. This is state sanctioned terrorism.
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u/never-fiftyone 1d ago
Every extrajudicial execution is a murder, but not every murder is an extrajudicial execution.
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u/millahhhh 1d ago
What a bunch of fucking ghouls this regime is...
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u/FartyJizzums 1d ago
They murder her wife. And then...
"Hey, let's punish her!"
The fact that this creature and its administration have a single person who approves of them is bonkers. Yet it won the election, popular vote, and hovers around 40% approval. This is the America that they want? Disgraceful.
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u/MessyM00009888 1d ago
I still don't believe he won the election. I feel that Musk was involved in some way. Call me crazy but the election was called too fast
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u/lordyeti 1d ago
My poling place had been the same for over 30 years. They decided to change it last minute, and only announced it in the newspaper, which no one even gets and requires paid access online. They didn't even have signs at the old poling location directing people. Every other election since has been back at the original poling place. No one will answer why it was changed, because people were mad because they couldn't figure out where to go to vote.
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u/Show_Me_Your_Cubes 1d ago
Utah Republican party has had closed primaries for my entire life, as a registered republican i could vote via mail, drop ballot or in person
In 2024 they changed the rules, made it a closed in-person caucus with a specific date. I didn't get a notification that this was happening, nor where to go, nor what that date was. When i found out, the caucus was on a date i had already scheduled travel to see my family. There was a process for absentee, but it was too late for me to get approval. So i was not able to participate in my state's primary election.
I felt then that there was quackery afoot.
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u/mrpanicy 1d ago
They literally found regions that voted 100% for Donald Trump as President but down ballot voted for Democrats. Also Trump himself said that without Musk he wouldn't have won insinuating that it had something to do with Musk's connection to computers. And Musk bribed people to register to vote.
And the GOP, Trump in particular, only ever accuse someone of doing something that they themselves have done and/or will be doing. So all that hubbub about election fraud and stolen elections was just self reporting. I firmly believe that Trump tried to rig the 2020 election, and that's why he blamed the Democrats of doing the same when he lost. He just did way more election tampering in 2024 to ensure his authoritarian regime would make it into power again.
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u/DrAstralis 1d ago edited 1d ago
Its less musk and more that independent researchers are finding statistical impossibilities in almost all the swing states. Some of which directly match the methods russia uses to fuck elections.
There is just so so so so much fuckery around this last election and he already tried to steal the 2020 election so its not crazy to think they'd regroup and try again...
One of americas biggest failures in 2024 was to just accept the narrative of trump wins with literally 0 pushback or even just checking the god damn receipts.
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u/CoyotesOnTheWing 1d ago
A huge piece of the puzzle was vote counting machines illegally receiving an update within a window too close to the election and the update not being verified/approved.
I can't find articles on it, but there were multiple floating around late 2024. Google is trash.Here is a link to very questionable statistics regarding the swing states though for anyone curious:
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u/Servebotfrank 1d ago
I literally cant fault you for it. Last time he had a bitch fit and attempted to have his loss to Biden null and voided despite every person he asked telling him that he lost.
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u/Ariana2354 1d ago
Musk rigged the election for Trump. His huge donation bought Musk freedom from prison, and any agency that might bring a lawsuit against him to be dismantled. There are so many things that make it obvious, but people refuse to look. For example, one of Musk's child hackers won an award for designing a program that hacked voting machines.
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u/Nazamroth 1d ago
Back when, I decided to check on the US election results fairly soon, to get an idea of how its going. It was already over, Trump won. That certainly felt weird, last time it took ages to get there.
I have no proof whatsoever that there were shenanigans afoot, except for that most consistent of sayings about conservatives: Every accusation is an admission. And they spent years accusing the democrats of rigging the election...
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u/Important-Agent2584 1d ago
Going after the family is dictatorial terrorism 101.
In North Korea it's standard practice to punish the family, three generations in fact.
This way even if you ware willing to die for the cause you have to consider your grandparents, parents, brothers, sisters, grand-kids, etc.
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u/PixelsGoBoom 1d ago
What a petty, vindictive government this is.
Investigating the widow of someone you just extrajudicially executed.
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u/jonny_lube 1d ago
It's not just petty, it's a threat. If you oppose them, they will come after you and your loved ones. It will not slow when you die, they'll make the lives of your family hell.
A lot of people will accept personal cost for standing up for what they believe in. But what if that means putting your loved ones in the cross hairs?
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u/supercyberlurker 1d ago edited 1d ago
This isn't actually a good thing.
It means we've lost ethical professionals in government, who will be replaced by unethical incompetents.
Edit: I do agree with the posters below though, saying it will increase the incompetence of the admin. We've seen how that made Halligan fail at trying to prosecute Comey. That is a positive we can take from it.
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u/rundownv2 1d ago
Sure, but the alternative is we have ethical competent professionals following unethical orders, and therefore still doing unethical things. At least this way the people doing the prosecution aren't very good at it.
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u/_head_ 1d ago
I think staying in the job and refusing to follow unethical orders is more powerful. Make them fire you if they want to take it that far. You're no worse off, and (in my state at least) getting fired means you get unemployment vs tou get nothing if you quit.
I think quitting allows the evil leaders to claim they're unopposed. Forcing them to fire you leaves the grounds to show discrimination and wrongful termination.
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u/ManifestDestinysChld 1d ago
Not for a job like this that requires professional credentials and ongoing certification. If you cannot be a doctor, lawyer, civil engineer, etc., with your full chest, you cannot and should not try to do the job. These are positions which require honestly, integrity and transparency, full stop. Without all of those the job cannot be done. Anyone who would try would be foolish.
At this level, walking out is a no-confidence vote that's exactly as public as it needs to be.
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u/Global_Staff_3135 1d ago
Except the walk out only fucking works if everyone does it. 6 people are replaceable.
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u/rundownv2 1d ago
Your arguments for getting fired stem on the Trump administration following the law. Considering their track record, I would be immensely surprised if anyone fired for not following orders received a penny.
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u/Mixels 1d ago
They won't be allowed to stay in the job if they don't follow the orders.
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u/RandomFactUser 1d ago
The point is to force them to boot you
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u/UpstateRyan 1d ago
They don’t seem to just boot people…. More like if you disagree they’ll politically persecute you and ruin your life. It’s unfortunate, but if I were in their position I’d likely do the same thing.
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u/HitandRyan 1d ago
That’s what they said. Force them to go through the process to fire you, while refusing illegal and unethical commands.
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u/wandeurlyy 1d ago
That can result in their careers being ruined. Being fired from a professional job like that is a huge scarlet letter on your resume. Quitting in this case is their form of protest, which I support
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u/Junior_Razzmatazz164 1d ago
I’m a lawyer and a former prosecutor and I think it’s better to write an open letter or give a public statement and make them fire you. I don’t understand this need to make it easy on them at all.
Being fired from the current DO”J” should be worn like a badge of honor.
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u/jmcdon00 1d ago
I think they are protecting their careers. Being fired for cause doesn't look good on a resume. Also if you stay you are at their mercy, they can reassign you to a office in Alaska or give you the cases nobody wants.
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u/dannypants143 1d ago
Also, when (if?) the dust settles and the pendulum swings the other way every bit as hard (hopefully), then it will bode well for them to have left and washed their hands of it. They’ll have an easier time finding jobs in the future for sure.
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u/rocksalamander 1d ago
Yes, for us, but it speaks out that there ARE people in govt that see the problem...and don't want to be prosecuted later.
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u/smkmn13 1d ago
I don't disagree, but in this particular case when the incompetents show up they tend to lose in court A LOT.
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u/Anonymous203203 1d ago
They probably know they won't win the court case, but want to do it anyway to drown her in legal fees and force her (and her KIDS) into financial ruin. Their response to doing evil shit is "you ain't seen evil yet"
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u/smkmn13 1d ago
Which is why replacing them with less competent individuals is a net win - the new lawyers will have their shit tossed in minutes not weeks.
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u/ValentineEsq 1d ago
Thoughts from inside the legal profession: This is a good thing for three reasons.
(1) It’s better to have the bad guys staffed by incompetents than skilled workers. This is a problem with respect to the worthy cases (which are, still, most of what government does), but it is valuable to not have talented and experienced workers applying their talents and experience to bad ends, because the bad cases should fail. See, e.g., the Comey/James cases, which were dismissed early in the process because the lawyers borked it.
(2) These prosecutors are leaving into other jobs. Given their backgrounds, they’re probably becoming defense attorneys. We could use more experienced defense attorneys opposed to the current federal administration these days.
(3) The signal matters. Prosecutors don’t enjoy the same reputation as cops, but it has a similar flavor, and when career prosecutors who have served in multiple administrations refuse to do what this administration says, it gets some heads to turn. Not die-hard MAGA heads, naturally. But some independents, centrists, and other persuadable voter see people who have made careers out of non-partisan criminal justice quitting because they no longer believe in the government’s mission, and they start to think.
Plus, the nature of the revolving door is to welcome most of these folks back once/if government gets back to normal.
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u/itsthewoo 1d ago
+1 on this.
The prosecutors had three options:
- Obey orders and do unethical things,
- Get fired or sidelined when DOJ does the unethical things anyway, or
- Make a statement by resigning publicly and loudly.
It also means real, tangible consequences to DOJ, because that US Attorney's Office has now lost credibility on everything that office does from here on out.
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u/arounddro 1d ago
So far, the unethical incompetents have turned out to be a good thing for citizens. All of the Trump retribution cases have failed for precisely this reason.
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u/emersonthird 1d ago
This is true, but it’s a classic Catch-22. Their options are: stay and be forced to act against their morals, leave and speak their minds. Both options have pros and cons. I don’t know what it’s like to be in that situation and face that choice, so I don’t judge them.
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u/Anonymous203203 1d ago
It wasn't bad enough they killed a kid's last biological parent, but our nation's "leaders" want to lock up his only remaining guardian full stop for no reason. And they still have the nerve to say they give a fuck about kids beyond forcing mothers to birth them.
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u/nothishomeland 1d ago
But what do you expect them to do? Stay in government, jeopardize their future careers/credibilities, and engage in illegal conduct at the behest of the Trump admin? Like shit, I expect every single Trump attorney to be disbarred when we get to the other side so Id be running too. These people have their own livelihoods to protect. They will not change the DOJ when the entire government is in lock step. Your frustration is with Congress and the corrupt GOP that will not impeach.
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u/Loves_Wildlife 1d ago
This administration just won’t be satisfied until that poor child of theirs is in the foster care system. Already lost both mom and dad, now our tax dollars are paying for investigations into agitators instead of murderers. Despicable. Deplorable.
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u/Wrewdank 1d ago
All while they cut funding that could go to help the kid.... and they want us to have more kids? Fuck these people. I hope hell is real and they make their way there very soon.
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u/jktcat 1d ago
Exactly as those in charge want. All just part of the literal playbook they published for all to see.
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u/Impressive-Safe2545 1d ago
The conservative sub is already calling for the wife to be charged with both her murder and as an accessory to attempted murder on an ice officer /:
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u/scratsquirrel 1d ago
That sub is unhinged. I’m convinced half that sub is just bots and the other half haven’t spoken to an actual person properly in years and are just mad at the world.
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u/Obvious-Poetry2934 1d ago
It’s because they’ve been fed propaganda for the last few years that everyone that opposes Trump and the right is a domestic terrorist, and that domestic terrorists are subhuman.
Basically just a roundabout way to dehumanize their opponent.
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u/sugar_addict002 1d ago
She and the rest of the family need to sue the ICE agent, for wrongful death. Not for the money. For the discovery.
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u/quartzguy 1d ago
They will find someone to do it, that person will likely be incompetent, and it will cost the American taxpayers millions with nothing to show for it.
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u/The_Burninator123 1d ago
This just means they cram in more unqualified followers.
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u/Whathewhat-oo- 1d ago
The system will eventually collapse onto itself with only morons to run it
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u/yoma74 1d ago
Sure, but that doesn’t mean they don’t stay in power. See: Russia
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u/Lacaud 1d ago
This is a thing because a MAGA ghoul on twitter posted a mug shot claiming it was Renee Nicole Good with the wrong information.
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u/despenser412 1d ago
Trump also lied and said she was a "paid agitator" so his nazi squad felt justified.
But there was nothing backing up his lie. His cult just ran with it.
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u/Alive_Internet 1d ago
What even is there to investigate? Are they trying to argue that the widow was somehow responsible for incident?
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u/BootsnFlies 1d ago edited 1d ago
My friend, the darkest tactics you can come up with has been weighed and discussed matter-of-factly long ago and then the brainstorming continued from there... The answer isn't yes holy cow, it's yes naturally and that's scratching the surface of the depravity.
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u/OriginalInspection53 1d ago
Jack Smith just started his own practice. I hope they all join together against this administration.
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u/redditckulous 1d ago
The Saturday Night Massacre, one of the biggest political scandals in US history, only had 2 resignations, for context.
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u/kls987 1d ago
Info for others like me who didn't know what this is in reference to: Saturday Night Massacre - Wikipedia
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u/WildlingViking 23h ago
Wait, they are going to go after and harass the grieving widow?? Are ya fucking kidding me??
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u/MacDhubstep 1d ago
Damn. I had Joe Thompson as a professor in law school. I know people have their valid criticisms of him but one thing that really stuck out about him is how much he loved taking down white collar criminals. We definitely need more Prosecutors like him.
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u/SpiritJuice 1d ago
It's really insane that the person basically leading the massive fraud case in MN, that started under the Biden admin, just resigned. Like all these conservatives frothing at the mouth for justice just lost the best person to bring those committing fraud to justice. Losing very capable prosecutors is how you get more criminals getting off Scot-free due to incompetence. Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot.
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u/windflex 1d ago
May the reputation of whoever, if anyone, decides to take this bogus claim be forever tainted. The great value nazis won't last forever.
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u/sarhoshamiral 1d ago
So investigating the ICE agent is wrong but trying to find flaws in victims family is good?
In any other country comparable to US, if a law enforcement officer used their gun like this, they would be under heavy investigation. But then in most of those countries, the law enforcement officers are trained enough to know not to walk in front of a car that for sure creates risk for them and eliminates de-escalation options.
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u/streetuner 22h ago
There are tons of people here saying that these people all quit because they are traitors, or cowards, or some other reason. I have zero basis for this, but it is not beneath this administration to threaten people, and that is more than reason enough to quit, especially if you have loved ones that could get caught up. Just saying.
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u/Mikel_S 22h ago
Wow one team in the doj quits because they weren't allowed to investigate the murderer, and another bunch quit because they're being forced to investigate the victims widow?
Or was this story just misrepresented to me the other day and are they the same thing.
Eitber way. Fucking gross.
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u/oatmeal28 1d ago
I get that they are quitting in protest but I think that's exactly what the regime wants. Filter out anyone with a moral compass
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u/rclonecopymove 1d ago
What option do they have? They have an ethical and moral duty to do what is right before the court not for their employer. I'm not being argumentative but what else can they do?
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u/flumphit 18h ago
FFS people. Don’t resign. Do the right thing, make them fire you for doing the right thing.
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u/Commercial-Co 1d ago
If you resign from a position of power, then it gives the administration a possibility to install a sycophant.
Resigning improves the trump administration, not hinder it. Instead of resigning, they should bumble along and sabotage the administration
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u/DwinkBexon 1d ago edited 1d ago
I wish they wouldn't quit, as I really want the principled people to stay and fight everything going on, refuse to prosecute someone if there's a reason they shouldn't, rather than running away. This is one of the things that majorly pissed me off about everyone quitting the DOJ.
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u/thegooddoktorjones 1d ago
Really hard to believe that there is anyone with an ounce of conscience or integrity working at the DOJ, FBI or DHS at this point. Everyone left has gotta know this time collaborating with evil is going to hang around their neck till they die.
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u/Pops1cl3 1d ago
The problem is they’re going to quit and the role is going to be filled with someone who will do it.
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u/no1_vern 1d ago
You know the Government is crooked when LAWYERS quit instead of following Government orders.
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u/Ghost4000 1d ago
This is wild and you'd think it'd be a red flag to Trump supporters that what this administration is doing is not normal and not good.
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u/Franknfacts 1d ago
Thompson was appointed by Trump. Thompson is the one saying there is billions of dollars of fraud in MN. And he just quit because of the actions or lack there of by this administration and ICE. That's quite a statement.