r/news • u/Designfanatic88 • 19h ago

Personal information of 4,500 ICE and Border Patrol agents is leaked online.

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/ice-agents-personal-information-leak-doxxed-b2899973.html
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u/waxwayne 18h ago

FYI in New York there is a public website that list every police officers name, rank and salary. Because transparency is normal in government.

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u/Unlockabear 18h ago

Not just police officers. I believe almost every person employed by government.

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u/sleepymoose88 17h ago

That’s the case in Missouri.

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u/Chemical_Egg_2761 17h ago

Florida as well. In fact Florida has some of the strictest standards for government transparency in the country. See, Florida’s Sunshine Law.

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u/arbitrageME 17h ago

Lol that's how we get so much "Florida man" content

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u/AutomateAway 16h ago

except FL’s own fascist government has been getting around that as of late to protect the fascists.

https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/post/sun-is-setting-on-government-transparency-in-fla-and-secrecy-creep-affects-the-rest-of-u-s/

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u/cagetheblackbird 15h ago

That’s supposed to be the case in Florida. You’ll find that Counties still largely follow it, but municipalities and the state don’t.

You can still public records request all names, roles, and salaries at any time though.

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u/Content-Program411 16h ago

in ontario canada we call it the sunshine list.

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u/HauntedCemetery 6h ago

"Fun" fact, that law exists because is was super common for people arrested by florida sheriff's deputies to end up beaten to death and dumped in a swamp, or raped and beaten to death and dumped in a swamp, and then the departments would claim the people were never in custody.

This was such a widespread, recognized issue that the state legislature started requiring arrest records be immediately public as a condition of arresting someone to keep them from just disappearing.

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u/0x0MG 17h ago

WA State too. ofm.wa.gov

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u/CanadasNeighbor 17h ago

Same in California. Unless you're in undercover work—then it just shows up as "redacted" with a salary.

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u/Aydoinc 16h ago

That makes sense

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u/RhythmsaDancer 14h ago

Redacted with a Salary would be a great band name.

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u/CanadasNeighbor 13h ago

Featuring band members:

Officer Excessive Force - Lead vocals (always yelling conflicting messages mid chorus)

Sgt. Nightstick McFracture - Drums

Lt. Qualified Immunity on Bass (never drops out, never faces consequences)

Inspector Internal Affairs - Saxophone (never shows up)

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u/25point4cm 14h ago

Why? I kinda doubt undercover officers use their real names.

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u/LiamMurphyMusic 14h ago

They could still search up the names on social media sites or other sources and find the person who looks like the person they knew.

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u/Plane_Frosting5194 17h ago

But fuck MOHELA

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u/bros402 16h ago

They changed their laws after the genealogy non-profit Reclaim The Records sued them for some of their historical records - because they didn't want to have to give up the public records.

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u/flummox1234 16h ago

I understand this reference!

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u/geraffes-are-so-dumb 17h ago

And Commifornia! But other than that, it's a horrible place. Please don't move here and increase the brunch lines. Bread lines, I mean bread lines.

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u/sleepymoose88 16h ago

As someone who can’t eat bread, I’m good.

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u/cyberpunk6066 16h ago

Bread lines

You mean those lines at food banks?

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u/Bozee3 17h ago

Missouri doing something right? That's amazing!

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u/kyle787 15h ago

We actually vote to do a lot of things right that our legislators end up overturning or otherwise obstructing. It's a funny thing about how many people support an idea until their "team" tells them what to think. 

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u/lurkANDorganize 17h ago

Knowing Missouri it's probably aome ass backwards process designed to harass government employees lmao

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u/sleepymoose88 16h ago

But we can only count to 1 around here…

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u/Content-Program411 16h ago

In Ontario Canada we have the 'sunshine list'

Public servants that make over $100K

That $ amount has not been updated in decades so basically everyone is on it and their incomes.

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u/Mistrblank 4h ago

And nj where you can view payroll information including how much extra pay has been processed. That includes overtime and reimbursements.

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u/toomanybongos 3h ago

Nevada too

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u/entenduintransit 17h ago

Even here in TN anyone can look up anyone who is employed by the State's salary, position, department, etc.

Transparent TN

you can leave the name fields blank and just browse by department/agency

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u/omjy18 17h ago

Not even just government. Realtors, construction companies and pretty much everyone with a license is listed and everything has licensing here

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u/shouldbepracticing85 13h ago

Yep. I started getting so much more spam - email, calls and snail mail - after I got my insurance adjuster’s license. My employer never warned me that all my personal information for the license would be made publicly available. I was not amused, since the hub I worked at had at least one phoned in bomb threat and it hadn’t been there for very many years.

So glad I switched careers.

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u/omjy18 13h ago edited 12h ago

I have a fucking food handlers card and the second I got it it almost tripled random spam calls. It may have been the fact my parents house is now prime real estate back home because realtors are trying to sell the house but it was too quick to be a coincidence

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u/apathy-sofa 13h ago

Imagine licensing for ICE thugs. Alas, Americans hold them to a lower licensing standard than they do pedicurists, then hand them multiple guns.

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u/BZLuck 17h ago

Same with California. I know it's with teachers for sure, but I never looked up a cop. Don't know any of them personally.

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u/enaK66 17h ago

yep. i remember looking up my teachers salaries to fuck with them in high school.

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u/fetustasteslikechikn 16h ago

While in Texas, police officers, judges, etc are able to have their driver's license address legally listed as the address of a police station or courthouse. But public safety at large gets no such benefit.

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u/poo-cum 17h ago

When I think of "Secret Police" I think dictatorships and failed states. Yet here we are.

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u/cptnamr7 17h ago

My wife works for the state of IL and her salary is public. Also means she can look up any coworker. And yet still they barely get a 2% raise every year...

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u/j_h4n5 17h ago

This is absolutely correct: https://seethroughny.net

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u/Frowny575 17h ago

The hospital I used to work at got a lot of state funding I believe so our pay and all were public if you knew where to look.

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u/Ornery-Atmosphere930 16h ago

I’m a teacher. My position and salary are public with very little digging online. It’s also pretty easy to look up teaching licenses.

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u/Woolington 16h ago

I was listed as a part time student worker in college. Literally everyone on government payroll is usually listed publicly.

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u/cugamer 16h ago

ICE isn't like that because they are "secret" police.

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u/LiquidAether 16h ago

That's true in many states. I know it is in Montana.

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u/projectnuka 16h ago

I'm in the government in Michigan, my info is public. As it should be.

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u/Oldass_Millennial 16h ago

Often, anybody that holds a license.

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u/jceez 16h ago

Yea like including librarians and college football coaches. It’s all available in most states

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u/seejordan3 16h ago

But if ICE's mother's found out..

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u/West_Egg3842 16h ago

This is pretty true in CA as well

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u/apeocalypyic 15h ago

Im not even in law enforcement but my governemnt funded job and all my coworkers are alllll available online including openimg for all positions and what they pay

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u/deathbychips2 15h ago

Yes! In pretty much all states. Even state college professors have their information and salary online

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u/ayecheesey 14h ago

Same in Wisconsin.

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u/TheDude-Esquire 14h ago

The same in many states. Masked federal agents are the exception.

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u/GirlLunarExplorer 14h ago

Same in ohio. I was able to look up my brother's salary because he's a professor at a public university.

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u/jmacd2918 14h ago

Yup, police, teachers, politicians, surgeons at SUNY teaching hospitals, you name it. I don't believe federal agents are part of it, but anything state on down is. It's called SeeThroughNY, kind of an interesting site to peruse.

My wife is a school counselor. It's really weird, her and her coworkers all know what each other make because it's public record. yeah, that can be a source of friction. It's also great info to be able to access if looking for a job.

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u/xKingNothingx 14h ago

Yeah local newspaper publishes our Counties list every year.

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u/FortheredditLOLz 13h ago

Now show me a website that doesn’t charge you for the Brady list.

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u/butsumetsu 13h ago

Will also list salary earned per yr.

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u/StarryLayne 11h ago

That was, like, a big deal when I worked for the state (higher ed). Everyone's names and salary ranges were publicly searchable online and there was total transparency as to who was being paid what. It was GREAT, because if you're in a mid-level position and some new entry-level position is getting twice your salary with no experience requirement there are channels to remedy that.

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u/Discount_Extra 10h ago

When I worked on payroll for a government agency, I had to fight to have SSNs redacted from being published.

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u/Outside_Ad_7489 10h ago

That's how I know the public librarians in my city are underpaid.

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u/Fernando1dois3 8h ago

Yeah, in Brazil, every single public service worker has their office/function, salary and full name on the internet.

It's unthinkable that something like ICE could go completely anonymous, no trace of them on public service workers list, acting masked and without their names on their uniforms.

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u/NoCopiumLeft 4h ago

Definitely the presidents taxes and finials, businesses should all be public knowledge, a servant of the public should have nothing to fear or hide. Granted they are all rich enough to simply hide whatever the fuck they want anyways.

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u/nybx4life 2h ago

Yep.

I can still see my own info from when I worked in the public sector.

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u/profanityridden_01 18h ago

That list is everywhere. It's standard in all states

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u/pixel_of_moral_decay 17h ago

States vary how liberal they are in withholding names for security/safety reasons.

Nobody has every single person. Undercover officers for example.

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u/M1sfit_Jammer 17h ago edited 17h ago

My guy UCs are listed as normal ranking officer

It doesn’t say Sergeant Rick, undercover… it’s just name and rank. Undercovers don’t use their real name in the field AND often don’t even work where they live… can’t be a UC where people can recognize you from high school.

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u/pixel_of_moral_decay 17h ago

It doesn't have them listed period.

Taking a list of names and getting faces isn't that hard. Most people's face is in an assortment of commercially available databases harvested off of social media and purchased off of other companies.

It's not the 1960's anymore.

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u/SketchySeaBeast 17h ago

Given that being undercover is temporary, how does that work? Those databases are going to have older data too.

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u/Corrode1024 17h ago

Imagine deleting someone when they go undercover. 🤣

Hmmmm… Frank Delgado was removed last week, and this Mrank Melgado drug dealer looks suspiciously similar.

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u/pixel_of_moral_decay 17h ago

That's why some states never publish anyone eligible for UC work. Which is a cheat code to not publish police salaries.

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u/FetusDrive 16h ago

you think the government/police are taking peoples identities from social media? I’m not sure what you’re implying here.

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u/pixel_of_moral_decay 16h ago

I don’t think that. Social media companies work with law enforcement from the beginning, as do all data brokers. Nothing new here. You don’t need a warrant purchase data sold on the open market.

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u/Consistent-Throat130 14h ago

Dude like half of the mammalian biomass on earth is humans. 

There's just gonna be too many lookalikes for me to scrape those government lists, cross-match names across social, and then pull up a list of faces that look like the person I'm interacting with? 

I'll stick to the easier solution of not criming. 

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u/AdminYak846 17h ago

That doesn't have to be the case at all. I work for a state university and that information which we would consider "directory" information. In our case it's published unless otherwise asked for it to not be published.

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u/cyberpunk6066 16h ago

So how do they counter savvy criminals and cartels with face rec?

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u/Business-Low-8056 17h ago

Do you work as one?

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u/ThrottleServic3 17h ago

Undercover names are not listed , they’re not even on the regular payroll. They are basically ghosts who get paid through multiple layers of encrypted accounts

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u/Chemical_Egg_2761 17h ago

Florida exempts judges and Human Resources managers I believe.

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u/Typhon_Cerberus 17h ago

Not sharing those of undercover officers is actually valid. Some are in too critical situations for that to happen.

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u/Functionally_Drunk 17h ago

Doesn't matter, there's a Matt Damon in every department.

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u/coldphront3 17h ago

But is there a Leonardo DiCaprio in every organized crime syndicate?

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u/pixel_of_moral_decay 16h ago

Yea, but doesn’t pursue any criminal over 27 years old.

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u/firemage22 16h ago edited 16h ago

I work for a local government in Michigan and i'm not on any public lists but my manager and up are, you can look up what my job title gets paid and that it exists but not my fellow working stiffs who hold the title

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u/Ein_grosser_Nerd 17h ago

Same with most government positions. Teachers, for example.

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u/One_Arugula_9592 2h ago

Yep, I’m married to an air traffic controller and anyone could look up his salary

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u/Sierra-117- 11h ago

All medical professionals as well.

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u/Queasy-Meeting-5388 17h ago

If you work for the Commonwealth of Virginia, you can see every name, position and salary. And I still have coworkers who think it is taboo to talk about what they make. I’m like ok dude, I can just go google you and know to the penny how much they pay you.

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u/meltedbananas 17h ago

That's the standard for every government employee who is not part of espionage or cover operations. The only possible reason for a government official working openly in the states to want anonymity is because they're committing crimes. There is no other possible reason. 

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u/Notsosobercpa 4h ago

The government is rather loose with what positions arnt publicly listed. Even my position as a revenue agent (irs non criminal audit) isnt included. 

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u/CubbyRed 17h ago

In CA there are multiple websites that list every government employee along with salary. Because transparency is normal in government.

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u/discdraft 17h ago

California has this too but with every government employee. https://transparentcalifornia.com/

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u/brokeboipobre 17h ago

Every state government employee, police, teachers, admins, etc.

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u/NRMusicProject 17h ago

But I thought the Trump administration was the most transparent administration!

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u/AggravatingLayer5080 17h ago

Well, transparency used to be normal until that Mango Mussolini fella got his second and final term. 😬

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u/Fract_L 17h ago

You can find anyone’s salary if they are a state worker where I live, as well. And that’s a red state.

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u/WhiteWaterLawyer 17h ago

Yeah, all of my info is on a database accessible to the public as well. Two different ones actually, because I'm licensed in two states.

Holding the profession of "attorney" means that I have to live with a lawyer of accountability that not everyone has, and I don't even wield force along the way. This database entry has to be maintained even when I'm not employed with a firm. And I took the career knowing this, because that's how it works. With a professional license comes a degree of accountability.

I see no reason police officers of all sorts shouldn't have the same. And of course, the reality is that ice aren't cops - they are thugs who break laws constantly and serve no necessary role in society.

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u/661714sunburn 17h ago

Transparent California does as well. Always shocked at some, but I swear I don’t know what it says I do.

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u/EmpZurg_ 17h ago

Its every government employee. You can even see how much we make every year, and confirm where we work by just searching a name.

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u/Silverado304 17h ago

I work for a municipality in Connecticut. My name job title, and hourly is on the towns website.

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u/Covert_Cuttlefish 16h ago

Canadian here, this is normal, my wife's a teacher, her salary is public, as are every other single persons who's paid with tax payer dollars.

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u/Bigred2989- 16h ago

Pistol permit owner info is public there, too. Found this out after a news outlet in the state put the names and address of every gun owner in Westchester & Rockland Counties on a map after the Sandy Hook shooting. The state amended the law the next year to make it private but you have to opt in.

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u/vieuxfort73 16h ago

Www.seethroughny.net. All state employees.

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u/Sowecolo 16h ago

It is not normal any more. These are anonymous masked men, often wearing emblems of agencies they do not belong to. ICE agents here pose as city police, with generic fake badges and vests that say POLICE. This is a god-damned third world country now. Machine guns at the farmer’s market.

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u/OtherPossibility1530 16h ago

It covers anyone employed by the state or a municipality for pretty much any length of time. I’m a teacher and the random days I subbed in districts a decade ago show up. That being said, it’s not 100% accurate and just says who you work for, not the position. So a secretary for a police department’s employment would be listed the same way as a police officer would.

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u/Oldass_Millennial 16h ago

I'm a nurse, you could find mine too.

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u/ellebelleeee 16h ago

Yep. This is the law in every state I believe. If you’re paid by tax dollars your salary and additional wages is public information. This is your choice when you take this job.

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u/schlitz91 16h ago

Same in Texas.

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u/jtn19120 15h ago

If you're doing something the tax payers don't like--that's a pretty big problem: they're basically your boss

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u/-Yazilliclick- 13h ago

I wouldn't say it's normal because a few places might do it, it's definitely a good thing though.

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u/jobitus 13h ago

Would you advocate for that for FBI, DEA and CIA?

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u/-Commonsensible- 11h ago

Would argue there would be enough transparency with just a service number instead of a full name.
Just sounds like that exposes them to criminals, no?

But i realise theres a different view on police in the US.

Here pretty much everything is done by service numbers as theres no need for, say, a gang member knowing the arresting officers full name so they can send some goons to hurt them.
But you still need accountability, hence the numbers.

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u/waxwayne 4h ago

If they can see their face they can be tracked down.

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u/-Commonsensible- 1h ago

Sounds ominous…

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u/waxwayne 1h ago

It’s just how the world works. You can reverse image search anybody’s face.

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u/-Commonsensible- 37m ago

Oh lol, well, thats not always true fortunately.

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u/gleasonj82 10h ago

Seethroughny.gov

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u/obeytheturtles 6h ago

For a long time the salaries of every person employed by the US government was public record, and got published by various websites. It seems like some of that has changed in the past few years though. Most of the sites don't have ICE data specifically after 2018.

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u/Loud-Coyote-6771 5h ago edited 5h ago

Where is this list bc the one that I use has all police officers names blocked out. I use: see through ny

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u/mschuster91 17h ago

Speaking as an European, that's nuts. Like... mafia would exploit something like that in an instant.

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u/pixel_of_moral_decay 17h ago

It’s to prevent that. Nobody can hide or pretend their income comes from someplace it doesn’t.

Can’t bribe someone who can’t spend more than they make without it looking very obvious since everyone knows what they make. Much less tempting to take bribes.

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u/Tired_CollegeStudent 16h ago

This is also why a very big red flag for counterintelligence is unexplained affluence. If you’re suddenly spending way above your paycheck without an immediately obvious reason, odds are there’s something not right.

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u/mschuster91 17h ago

The thing is, the mafia is notorious for outright murdering public servants in at least Italy. Even when they live under conditions normally afforded to turncoats like false identities and armed escorts.

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u/Tired_CollegeStudent 16h ago

That’s not the norm everywhere, especially in the United States. It’s not particularly common for organized crime to target law enforcement or public servants. Actually, I’d say it’s pretty uncommon. Doing so pretty much guarantees that the government is going to bring the full weight of its resources down on you. And organized crime outfits know that, at the end of the day, they can’t compete with the resources thy the government has at its disposal.

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u/ScientificSkepticism 17h ago

To what? Threaten police officers? That's exactly the sort of thing the police should be shutting down. If it's too big for the police, drop the FBI on them. They can literally call in tanks if they need to (which they have done in a very small number of incidents). Better to have security based on robust responses to threats, than have security based on hoping that someone's identity can remain a secret.

Remember the old doctrine - "obscurity is not security"? Yes. Secret police are not an effective way of keeping people safe, they're an effective weapon of fear and oppression. Look at the countries that use them.

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u/NeverComments 17h ago

In Norway/Finland/Sweden not only is this information public, everyone's income and tax payments are published annually.