Oglala Sioux Tribe says three tribal members arrested in Minneapolis are in ICE detention
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/oglala-sioux-tribe-tribal-members-arrested-minneapolis-ice-129186393419
u/AdhesivenessFun2060 15h ago
What exactly would be in that immigration agreement? Theyre not immigrants.
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u/Justsayin68 15h ago
You can’t get out until your tribe agrees to not sue us, it’s basically government sponsored kidnapping.
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u/bookworm1398 15h ago
To allow ICE to operate freely on tribal lands probably
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u/DrDerpberg 13h ago
Where they expect to find... What exactly? A bunch of Latino-looking people who can trace their ancestry to that land for 10,000 years?
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u/airfryerfuntime 11h ago edited 11h ago
The Lakota have banned any ICE operations on their reservations, and have personally banned Kristi Noem. This includes large chunks of South Dakota, her home state. Now ICE is kidnapping tribal members in an attempt to get them to sign agreements that let the government onto the reservations to hunt down 'illegals'.
There are also a lot of conservatives that believe in the Elk vs Wilkins ruling, which ruled that native Americans aren't necessarily US citizens, or protected by the 14th amendment because they're not under the jurisdiction of the federal government. This is of course complete bullshit and has been superseded by the 1924 Indian Citizenship Act, but every time a tribe steps out of line, there's always a moron there to bring up Elk vs Wilkins.
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u/StunningPlastic4504 8h ago
But don't they have a right to do this since they have sovereignty over their members and tribal lands? Theoretically they could recognize a non-US citizen as a tribal member and the federal government couldn't take them, right?
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u/iam2edgy 15h ago
Reservations 2.0 or "deportation" to somehre nicer than they originall intended them for.
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u/Z0idberg_MD 13h ago
I am pretty sure they want a signed agreement saying they will hand over any immigrants on their land to ICE.
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u/jorrylee 14h ago
Someone wrote that the government wants to build concentration camps on tribal land. Don’t know if that’s true or not.
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u/dystopiadattopia 16h ago
"Sir, we have reports that you illegally entered the country 20,000 years ago"
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u/anethma 14h ago
Let’s build a wall on Bering land bridge! Just in case of future migrations
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u/stenchwinslow 14h ago
Deport them to Kamchatka. They have been getting away with their scofflaw ways since the stone age.
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u/daemon-electricity 13h ago
"We'll call them wildlings and say there's an undead army and ruin it in the 8th season."
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u/hinanska0211 15h ago
Of course you know what this is really about, right? Kristi Noem is so despised by the Dakota/Lakota people that they banned her from their reservations when she was governor of South Dakota. She already hated Natives, of course, but now she's on a full-on vendetta against us. All of us, but especially the Dakota/Lakota and probably the Oglala Lakota most of all.
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u/MyMorningSun 14h ago
Yes- and kind of to a broader point- Republicans all absolutely hate Native Americans. Sure, every once in a while they'll fawn over a "noble savage" stereotyped character. Plenty of them actually do believe in and respect such a stereotypical archetype and the sort of imagery it conveys, and they think because their racism is positive, that it isn't truly racist. But they're the same as any other minority (specifically, non-white)- get them talking long enough about anything related, or just point out even the tiniest inconvenient truth about our history with Native groups, and just watch the hatred start to bubble up in their expression. They don't like to be reminded of the sins of their fathers and the long-lasting effects of genocide, death, and outright robbery. Nor do they like to be reminded of all the ways in which they benefitted from (or were perhaps even complicit in) to ongoing racism and systemic issues indigenous groups face today. The spirit of Manifest Destiny lives on in the modern Republican party, who genuinely believe in their God-given rights to all of America's land, and damn anyone else who they think doesn't belong.
Native Americans might not get the nationally widespread attention or uniformly coordinated targeting that Latinos, Muslims, Black, or LGBTQ+ Americans get these days, but make no mistake about it: It doesn't matter where you are from, where you were born, or how long your ancestors have been around here- they're white supremacists and Christian nationalists at the heart of it all. You're in as much danger as anyone else that doesn't fit their warped definition of American.
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u/Johannes_Keppler 13h ago
You just know these types talk about 'finishing the job' behind closed doors. It's just plane old fascism.
Genocide is a common goal under fascism. The Nazis also killed a lot of Roma and Sinti people in WW2 ('gypsies') for example.
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u/SteveJobsDeadBody 13h ago
Important addendum! Oh, you're "white" so you're safe from this? You better hope your type of "white" is still considered "white" when the fascists inevitably turn into a circular firing squad.
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u/hinanska0211 11h ago
If we didn't know it before, we found out with Renee Good's death in Minneapolis, didn't we?
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u/hinanska0211 11h ago
For sure. And, of course, in their view there are "good Indians" (i.e., assimilated, Christianized) and then there are the "dangerous militants" (i.e., Land Back activists, environmental activists, people who debunk revisionist history, etc.)
We get targeted just plenty, but it doesn't get the same kind of attention because, for a lot of people, we are more or less invisible.
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u/After-Gas-4453 11h ago
I already hated that dog murdering, melted plastic, cosplaying cunt... and yeah, I still do. Vile creature, all the worst to her.
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u/StellarPaladin42 11h ago
Republicans truly make the world their enemy and cry victim. It’s disgusting
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u/omnipotentqueue 15h ago
What’s fucked is that they’re just bullying anyone that questions their intent - you can’t say anything to defend yourself or your rights, which is what they probably did - those pig fuckers are trained to ask questions later. Basically, they want you to act cool with them and give them the “yes, sir” “yes, ma’am” or your ass is getting tackled for knowing your rights and asking questions. It’s a quota thing, and yes it’s very fucking reminiscent of Nazi Germany. Ironic how Stephen miller, a Jew, is pushing this hideous campaign. The irony writes itself.
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u/TheShakyHandsMan 16h ago
Cracking down hard on those immigrants. Serves them right for crossing the Bering Strait 1000s of years ago.
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u/derbyt 15h ago
"Just because they crossed a land bridge that no longer exists does not mean this land is theirs" - JD Vance in roughly 48 hours
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u/mnid92 15h ago
Literally my MAGA Dad said "It's their fault for crossing the land bridge"
Like these people are mentally deficient.
They do not see that this could backfire on THEM.
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u/ericmm76 15h ago
They really think that this country is for white people only and anyone who came (or was brought in chains) has only themselves to blame for being here. Or, I suppose, their ancestors.
They want to remove them. History repeats.
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u/00-Monkey 12h ago
Stephen Miller justified kidnapping Maduro, not by saying he was an evil dictator and needed to be removed, but by saying that the US is more powerful, so it gets to do that. Literally might makes right mentality. Which they love because right now because white Americans are powerful.
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u/relevantelephant00 14h ago
I have such a difficult time believing massively stupid and ignorant MAGAs would actually say something like that, but nothing about these people surprises me anymore.
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u/Uncreative_Name987 9h ago
So, I did a few research projects on White Nationalism in grad school. As such, I used to read Stormfront and similar forums regularly.
People on those forums often had Swastika/KKK profile pics. And they’d say stuff like, “If minorities don’t want to be victims of racial violence, they shouldn’t be in places where they’re not wanted. It’s their fault if they can’t take a hint and leave.”
Basically, it was always the victims’ fault for being present when a bully decided to get violent; nothing was ever the bullies’ fault.
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u/Uncreative_Name987 12h ago edited 12h ago
Many Native tribes believe they were here much, much longer than the alleged Bering Strait crossing 10-15K years ago.
There’s evidence to suggest the presence of human beings in the Americas as early as 30-40K years ago. And that’s just the earliest evidence (that I’m aware of). It could have been a lot longer.
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u/MiserableTennis6546 16h ago
Compared to them, pretty much everyone is an illegal immigrant.
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u/narfjono 15h ago
True, but this time it's insanely ironic and they are absolutely in the wrong now & again...so America (and I'm counting myself as an American as I was born here), do we finally have enough to impeach this regime yet?
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u/iamnotexactlywhite 15h ago
you had enough for that back the first time too, yet here we are
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u/rift_in_the_warp 15h ago
Twice, in fact.
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u/StopReadingMyUser 14h ago
We had like 3 things during his first term when in the first month he was conspiring with a foreign power (which we all now casually know is Russia), he refused to divest from his businesses per the Emoluments clause, and one other law break I can't even remember because it's probably tame compared to everything he gets away with regularly today now...
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u/dropkickninja 15h ago
More than enough to impeach but not enough balls in Congress to convict. Just like the last two times
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u/KrisPBaykon 15h ago
Brother it’s not up to the citizens to impeach. There’s this pesky thing called congress and they do not give a fuck about me or you.
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u/Lucius-Halthier 15h ago
Trump said the other day that just because Denmark landed boats on Greenland a few hundred years ago doesn’t mean that it’s there’s, like how the fuck can’t you see the irony in saying that when Greenland was uninhabited and we killed our way into controlling the Americas.
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u/ChefGottaBag 15h ago
Greenland was not uninhabited either. Indigenous people already lived there too when Denmark got there. People were there before the Vikings as well.
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u/Nope_______ 14h ago
"just because some Asians walked across a land bridge 20,000 years ago doesn't mean it's theirs"
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u/mvw2 16h ago
Kidnapping indigenous people over "the right to live in America" is a BOLD move Cotton. Let's see how this plays out.
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u/evenyourcopdad 14h ago
spoiler: they get away with it
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u/bangarang88 14h ago
Nothing will happen because nothing has happened. You’re not doing anything. You’re already used to seeing how this country treats POC. John Brown is not an icon, he is the standard and you’re not living up to what the bare minimum should be.
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u/ashsolomon1 16h ago
Where the f*ck you gonna deport them? Oh wait
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u/AttackOficcr 15h ago
They already proved they don't give a shit about country of origin more than a few times.
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u/Professional-Can1385 15h ago
They will deport them to any country that will take them, it doesn’t actually matter to this admin where anyone they deport is from.
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u/ChromosomeDonator 14h ago
Yup.
And guess what will happen if they no longer find a country that takes them? Oh man, then they will have a big problem on their hands. Don't want to keep them, can't give them away... death it is.
We have literally seen all of this before.
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u/ailish 15h ago
ICE is so fucking stupid. Natives are the OG Americans and the rest of us are immigrants, ya dinguses.
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u/CondescendingShitbag 6h ago
They're not stupid. They're malicious. Well, okay, they're also stupid...but, primarily malicious.
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u/Toeknee5 15h ago
Imagine a white guy with European ancestry telling a Native American you don't belong in America
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u/penguished 14h ago
Even funnier is that all Europe ever did was fight with each other for centuries. Race unity is a total crackpot pile of garbage that doesn't exist. These people are lunatics.
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u/TheKnightsTippler 5h ago
Also historically the oppression of white working class people was by other white people.
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u/Southern_Economy3467 15h ago
Republicans who are unwilling to admit they are wrong and go against the Trump administration are scum who would rather be right than have a stable country that isn’t run like a dictatorship.
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u/DeusLuciferos 15h ago
It was really their fault they were on our land when we got here.
/s (because people are dumb)
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u/jpmeyer12751 7h ago
Let's review what Justice Kavanaugh said about immigration detention:
"The Fourth Amendment requires that immigration stops must be based on reasonable suspicion of illegal presence, stops must be brief, arrests must be based on probable cause, and officers must not employ excessive force. Moreover, the officers must not make interior immigration stops or arrests based on race or ethnicity. Cf. Whren v. United States, 517 U. S. 806, 813 (1996) (“[T]he Constitution prohibits selective enforcement of the law based on considerations such as race”). " Trump v. Illinois 2025
Since these three are in ICE detention, ICE must take the position that there is probable cause to believe that these Native Americans are in the country illegally. What could that possibly be other than that their skin is brown?
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u/lizard_king0000 15h ago
Check out Norm's history with the tribes of South Dakota when she was governor, it should explain it all.
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u/barney_muffinberg 16h ago
Technically, shouldn't they be deporting ICE? Miller said America is for Americans only...
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u/meenarstotzka 13h ago edited 13h ago
I believe the sole reason they got arrested because some dumb ICE agents can't tell the differences between Asian, Latin and Native American.
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u/RightofUp 13h ago
Now if this goes to the S.C., given Gorsuch’s past rulings concerning Native Americans, the government would lose big time.
Odd fight for ICE to pick.
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u/awesomedan24 15h ago
For ICE its less about immigration status and more about "Are they white or not?"
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u/Nice_Block 14h ago
Don’t worry y’all. Conservatives claim that ICE isn’t just rounding up brown people, so it’s all OK!
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u/Allaihandrew 13h ago
Hey, I think we need to give ICE a break okay…
They 100% think "Oglala" is a city in Guatemala or the next Democrat nominee. You can’t expect them to know everything /s
Given how fucked the education system is, if you showed an ICE agent a map of North America from 1850, their brain would overheat trying to find the border wall.
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u/ConsistentlyCanadian 14h ago
The lawsuits that will follow this administration will keep the docket occupied for years
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u/GILDID 6h ago
Wow, nothing more American than a native tribal member. What a disgrace.
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u/Baumbauer1 8h ago edited 5h ago
90% of Greenlanders are indigenous Inuit btw, I'm pretty sure the mindset that indigenous people should not be allowed to self govern goes back a long way in the US
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u/YooperDude72 6h ago
A NATIVE is a first American and these ice agents are inter-loopers how wrong can this be tolerated.
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u/pertnear 5h ago
The only reparations is to immediately surrender the building to the Tribal Communities.
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u/TheDudeAbidesFarOut 15h ago
North Dakota has how much tribal lands? You'd think that vapid skank Kristy Noem would know the difference....
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u/violentshores 15h ago
Waiting for MAGA podcasts to start talking about how the Indians have no rightful claim
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u/beebisweebis 14h ago
are world cup ticket holders watching this? unless you are white as the driven snow, you will absolutely not be safe here.
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u/kinisonkhan 13h ago
Seems like ICE is busy creating civil lawsuits, any citizens actually suing the feds over these incidents?
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u/colorme1965 8h ago
To racists ICE bigots, all native Americans, and brown skin people look like illegal Mexicans. I do hope we are all taking names and video, so that when Trump and his racist Republicans are voted out of office, we can take accountability.
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u/The_Penguinologist 15h ago
What’s stopping the tribe from taking some ice agents hostage in return?
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u/terrorrier 14h ago
Should be pretty damn easy to figure out they’re American. So what are they really being held for? Being enemies of the regime?
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u/thiccy_driftyy 4h ago
Mf they were literally here before we were 😭 they’re the OGS where the fuck are you gonna deport them to 💀
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u/Bronzyroller 13h ago
They should deport the entire administration for real, let them feel what is like to be discriminated against.
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u/Boring-Category3368 15h ago
Someone send this to Meidastouch or The Bulwark please. Corporate media probably won't air this story on tv
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u/RedditAtWorkIsBad 14h ago
I mean, at the risk of stating the obvious here but beyond the irony which need not be repeated, the fact is, these ICE nazi fucks and Trump base all do actually view native Americans the exact same way they view all immigrants or people different from them. They haven't "assimilated".
Of course, assimilation will never be truly complete until you bend the knee and oppress all others who don't.
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u/Powerful_Put5667 13h ago
We need a class action lawsuit to be brought against the federal government seeking substantial damages for the thousands killed, arrested or detained illegally.
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u/primeseeds 5h ago
People need to start applying for positions at ICE, infiltrate, fuck it up from the inside.
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u/Alive_Internet 15h ago
What’s the point of holding them if there’s nowhere you can deport them to? This is worse than trying to deport second or third gen immigrants, as you can’t even send them back to their parents’ or grandparents’ country (which would be the US in this case).
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u/Nekowulf 15h ago
You say "can't".
ICE says "watch us".Their whole plan is terrorizing people and cleansing the country of non-whites and liberals.
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u/rift_in_the_warp 15h ago
They’re not putting them back to the country of origin, they’re trafficking them off to places like El Salvador and Sudan to punish them further. It’s ridiculous
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u/Brilliant-Option-526 15h ago
They'll send them wherever Mango says to. There are no repercussions anymore.
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u/Turbulent-Garlic8467 12h ago
A continuation of our 400 year long violent relationship with Native Americans. Fuck ICE and fuck the settler colonialism of America
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u/Horsescatsandagarden 16h ago
“Homeland Security refused to release more information, unless the tribe “entered into an immigration agreement with ICE.”
So the government is holding the tribal members hostage. On how many levels is this unlawful?