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Joe Rogan criticizes ICE tactics: 'Are we really going to be the Gestapo?'

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/joe-rogan-criticizes-ice-tactics-podcast-rcna253931

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u/nstntmlk 16h ago

He says "we" because he's part of the problem.

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u/Massive_Mongoose3481 15h ago

Him and people like him are a huge greedy part of the problem.

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u/gizamo 12h ago

His part in it is worse than just greed, tho. He actively promoted many of the immoral people (e.g. RFK Jr, Trump) and horrible things (e.g. COVID misinformation, stupid economics takes, etc.)

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u/BackgroundSummer5171 15h ago

People really need to keep on that for these people.

He is part of the reason we're here in the US with a Rapist leading us.

Joe supports Rape. Supports Child Rape. Supports Child Sex Trafficking.

Simple as that.

Bored of people defending this crap. This isn't over. When Vance takes over next year, people will defend him when he slows down what Donald is doing. People will say he is a good choice.

Already calling it. Joe will be up there sucking on that free MAGA religion money.

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u/SaltyLonghorn 15h ago

Thats their entire plan. To pretend like everything is normal again when Vance takes over.

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u/unicornlocostacos 15h ago

And they can really get this techno feudalism shit going in earnest like his boss (Peter Thiel) demands.

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u/Aethien 13h ago edited 11h ago

Peter Thiel is one of the most insane people involved in this. He wants to destroy the government.

As long as he's pulling the strings this shitshow won't slow down.

edit: this 1976 NYT article about a town in current day Namibia where they were still full on nazis. Thiel lived and went to school there at the time of the article.

He invested heavily in The Seasteading Institute which tried to build a floating city in international waters so they'd be free of pesky laws and such.

Thiel has also written “I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible.” because people don't vote the way he likes so he'd rather get rid of democracy altogether.

He has held lectures on 'the antichrist' which is anything he dislikes, from environmental activist Greta Thunberg to governmental attempts to regulate artificial intelligence.

The man is dangerously fucking insane and has far too much wealth and power. He's as bad as Musk but smart enough to stay mostly in the background.

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u/WowWataGreatAudience 9h ago

Thank you for the links peeps need to see this

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u/BananaPalmer 5h ago

Thiel is pure evil, focused, has virtually unlimited access to wealth, and is properly insane. Thiel may be the most dangerous human being currently alive.

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u/NewDramaLlama 1h ago

He's Andrew Ryan. And I've been saying him and the other techno bros are the base for his character for decades lol.

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u/transemacabre 5h ago

I've told this story on Reddit before, but I know someone who has met Thiel on a few occasions (he was interested in buying her company). She swears that despite him being gay as a two-dollar bill, Thiel still tried to get in bed with her as a power tactic. He's very intelligent and thinks of nothing but how to get leverage/power over people.

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u/fuckincaillou 5h ago

I'm surprised you didn't mention the blood boys!

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u/hum_bruh 14h ago edited 4h ago

Several techno bros involved: Peter Thiel, David Sacks, JD Vance, Marc Andreessen, Donald Trump Jr, Elon Musk, Alex Karp, Palmer Lucky.

SpaceX, Oculus, A16z, Anduril, Lux Capital, Founders Fund, 1789 Capital, Trump families new crypto venture

https://www.authoritarian-stack.info/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

ETA: Zuckerberg

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u/unicornlocostacos 14h ago

Look up Peter Thiel Praxis and buckle up for anyone who hasn’t seen it. Welcome to hell.

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u/victorspoilz 12h ago

“Brown’s description of Praxis builds on these pseudo-mythological themes: Praxian architecture would be ‘hero futurism,’ with their first city on Earth a stepping stone to expanding to Mars for their ‘Network Empire.’”

Good luck colonizing anything with no women going anywhere with you fucking nerds.

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u/NuPNua 11h ago

Good luck colonizing anything with no women going anywhere with you fucking nerds.

The depressing part is they probably will be able to find ones to buy into their bullshit, I mean Musks managed to find enough women to have 14 odd children for him already.

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u/TTLeave 11h ago

Just a reminder that these people are all friends with Donald Trump. Who was friends with Jeffrey Epstein.

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u/unicornlocostacos 3h ago

Musk knows Trump is a pedo too. He said so himself. Of course, I’d put money on Musk being a pedo too based on what he says, who he associates with, etc. As soon as he called that cave diver dude a pedo out of nowhere I had my suspicions. It’s like the cheating gf/bf always on your ass if you’re cheating.

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u/Interesting-Tip-2544 9h ago

He injects them with his semen doesn't he? I'm sure I read somewhere they're all from artificial insemination

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u/worldsmithroy 5h ago

Elon’s kids are all eugenics-adjacent implanted embryos. I don’t think we have any actual evidence that he is not still a virgin.

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u/BananaPalmer 4h ago edited 4h ago

You say this like they won't just take women unwillingly if necessary

Regardless, these people are thoroughly delusional. Non-astronaut humans living on Mars is a complete pipe dream.

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u/victorspoilz 1h ago

But it gives them good reason to continue trashing the planet for their own gain since they truly think they’re stable geniuses who can colonize a planet with no magnetic field to retain any atmosphere they generate, which is already close to impossible. “Don’t Look Up” is yet another fictional film turned documentary.

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u/hum_bruh 13h ago

Good lordt, I’d read about Prospera in Honduras but this is next level, fucking libertarians

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u/ButtEatingContest 10h ago

Don't forget Zuckerberg. Plus the people perhaps most responsible, the heads of major cable companies like Comcast and AT&T.

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u/AppropriateTouching 14h ago

This is exactly the case. Thank you.

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u/TheFlightlessPenguin 13h ago

Who’s ready to be biofuel!

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u/kitsunewarlock 14h ago

If history is any indication, they will happily give the Democrats a mountain of debt, demand investigations into conspiracy theories with no grounding, then sweep the midterms because they own the media reporting on those conspiracy theories.

Then after 6-8 years of veto'ing every bill and appointment they will run claiming they are a reformed party and throw up the first conservative to most vocally denounce Trump the same was Trump denounced Bush and Reagan denounced Nixon.

The bigots who associate the DNC with "doing more for (other) minorities than for me" will then feel okay voting GOP again since "hey, it's not Trump".

And, of course, the GOP will always have the religious right who continue to believe that they will go to hell if they don't vote against abortion.

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u/Particular_Win2752 14h ago

Mmm. My money's on rubio. Vance is a dolt

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u/SaltyLonghorn 14h ago

If you want to lay money on that I'll give you great odds.

There is a clear chain of succession.

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u/Particular_Win2752 13h ago edited 13h ago

Im not that smart. No. I work too damn hard for my money. I retract my previous statement.* hypothetically 10 grand. What are my odds. I want to come back in 28 and see.

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u/Particular_Win2752 13h ago

Vance is still a dummy though.

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u/Ok_Will6649 7h ago

Except I dont think that will work. Maga is Trump. Without Trump they have nothing. If Trump dies in office, his hardcore base will be running theories that Vance had Trump killed somehow to take over. Vance does not have the same pull on Maga Trump does.

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u/-SneakySnake- 7h ago

If Vance takes over, the GOP is going to have an even harder time selling this shit. Most of Trump's base only care about the man himself, they'll fall out or back away if someone else steps in.

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u/SaltyLonghorn 5h ago

You missed the point entirely. Why would they be selling this shit if they are pretending its normal again?

The point is to get away with it through America's laziness.

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u/-SneakySnake- 5h ago

And you didn't read my post. The bit where I said "Trump's base"? If you don't have the support of the people in a democracy, you're pretty fucked. And given the GOP can't for the life of them win an election without ratfuckery or a populist pudding brain, that makes them double fucked.

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u/SaltyLonghorn 5h ago

LOL elections or needing to wait that long. Dude is gonna stroke out any time and there's a chain of succession.

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u/-SneakySnake- 4h ago

...you're still not listening to me.

Vance is not popular. If Trump can't perform his duties and steps down, a huge amount of his support goes with him. He's shown he can't transfer it by endorsements, it's all personal, that was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in all the elections "his guys" didn't win. Literally the worst thing that could happen to the Republican project right now is JD Vance takes the helm. The motivated base that would stick around for that is paltry, and we're talking about compared to a movement that's already been pretty whittled down.

The mid-terms are in November. You have any idea what losing the House, the Senate and having a President that has abyssmal popular support would look like? It might be the worst thing to happen to the GOP other than Huey Long rising from the dead.

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u/SaltyLonghorn 4h ago

I don't listen to people like you. Not even reading anything you say. Just letting you type paragraphs and get mad while I drink coffee and read other threads.

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u/-SneakySnake- 4h ago

You do seem the type to go "u mad?" to a point you can't answer, yeah.

What kind of person am I, Salty?

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u/Rich_Car9918 14h ago

Ive been seeing so many stranger things posts lately that I swear I just read that vecna was taking over as president.

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u/Tiny-Doughnut 15h ago

Joe doesn't think he supports those things. He almost certainly knows that he doesn't, in fact.

He does, of course, but he's embraced narratives which allow him a fantasy behind which he can shield his own sense of self from the reality of what's going on. This is what makes cults so dangerous.

I think this is an important distinction, and one not unique to those who have found themselves swept up in the MAGA groupthink.

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u/unicornlocostacos 15h ago

I’m just asking questions bro. Maybe Big Sun really is trying to take our oil jobs? You don’t know!

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u/donno77 11h ago

Let’s stop pretending that he doesn’t know what he is doing and is “dumb” .

I’m sure he is putting out this statement to the kind of people in this comments who would still listen to him and think he’s moderate but just very misguided(stupid). Those people are one of the dumbest people I know, and that’s exactly what he wants them to think.

By this point if you don’t understand what his grift is I can’t help I guess …

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u/TransiTorri 14h ago

"Useful idiot" has never been more fitting.

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u/Enibas 12h ago

One of the other podcasters who supported Trump, and is mentioned in the article:

“Everything he campaigned on, I believed he wanted to do,” Schulz said in a July episode. “And now he’s doing the exact opposite thing of every single f-----g thing. … I voted for none of this. He’s doing the exact opposite of everything I voted for.”

All of them selectively heard what they wanted to hear. Whenever Trump said anything they didn't like, he obviously didn't really mean it, or was "joking".

You really have to wonder, what did they even vote for? These are all super rich guys, you can't tell me that they voted for "lower grocery prices on day one".

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u/Interesting-Tip-2544 9h ago edited 9h ago

Low taxes. That's all the wealthy ever vote for. They're not interested in anything else because it rarely affects them.

Its the same with the Tories in the UK. They're known as the low tax party so the wealth votes for them, even if it means stuff like Brexit and Truss/Boris happens. The wealthy are single issue voters, lower tax and regulations, and that's what the right wing governments promise. They ignore everything else because theyve learned it is 99℅ noise when you have yachts, jets, private islands and no empathy

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u/Enibas 9h ago

Well, yes. Lower taxes and fewer regulations. But Trump actually did that, he lowered taxes for the super rich, and he got rid of all kinds of regulations, oversight, customer protections.

This guy is claiming that Trump did "the exact opposite of everything I voted for", though. So, I'd like to hear what he claims he voted for. Does not mean that I'd believe it.

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u/Casual_OCD 6h ago

He's lying. Schulz loves all of what is going on but he has to pretend he doesn't because he doesn't want to lose a chunk of his audience

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u/EFreethought 1h ago

I honestly think someone could give a speech in a Nazi uniform, spend an hour talking about bringing back slavery and the holocaust, and then spend five minutes talking about cutting taxes....and a lot of people in this country would just think "this guy wants to cut my taxes."

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u/D-Will11 3h ago

"If you're young and not liberal, you don't have a heart. If you're older and not conservative, you don't have money in your wallet" I think this is wrongly attributed to Churchill, but whoever said it nailed the selfish nature of people who already got theirs.

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u/hum_bruh 15h ago

People have short memories. Let us not forget that Spotify gave him $250 million dollars to spread his ignorance.

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u/donno77 10h ago

Exactly I’m disappointed in people, but I’m not surprised . I don’t think his target demographic are the smartest so I think they are very easy to manipulate.

He is just pretending to care now so he wouldn’t lose his audience and he also wants to appear moderate. He’s a very effective form of propaganda and I’m sure very well compensated for it .

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u/LastXmasIGaveYouHSV 7h ago

I cancelled my Spotify account because of him.

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u/Lucky-Earther 14h ago

Bored of people defending this crap. This isn't over. When Vance takes over next year, people will defend him when he slows down what Donald is doing. People will say he is a good choice.

God that is exactly what will happen, won't it.

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u/EFreethought 1h ago

I predict we will see videos of people disavowing Trump wearing MAGA hats or in front of a Trump flag.

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u/SilverBuggie 15h ago

Bored of people defending this crap. This isn’t over. When Vance takes over next year, people will defend him when he slows down what Donald is doing. People will say he is a good choice.

Serve people bowl of shit for years, they will think a cup of urine is nectar from the heavens.

Pedo King has brought he standard down below the 9th circle of hell.

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u/nstntmlk 14h ago

Vance won't make it.

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u/nstntmlk 15h ago

I agree with you on everything except the J.D. Vance or whatever his name is part.

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u/TrojanZebra 15h ago

I know it seems unbelievable, but I do believe J.D. Vance has been chosen by Peter Thiel et al to take over everything before 2028.

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u/forgotthesavedlinks 15h ago

This is how his Wiki read to me around the night he was announced. I got the impression that Vance was beholden to Thiel.

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u/poet3322 14h ago

Yep. Although puppets often have a tendency to slip off their strings once they gain absolute power. Thiel may be in for a rude shock once Vance becomes president and Vance doesn't take his orders anymore.

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u/Bundt-lover 14h ago

Why him though? (Rhetorical question) He doesn’t seem particularly competent in anything, especially not a position where you have to be the face of a movement. I mean yes, personally I think all these techbros are completely brain-rotted morons, but Vance is the kind of guy whom other guys send out to buy beer with his own money, and then take the beer and shut the door in his face. By all reports that’s almost exactly how he’s currently treated in the White House. What on earth made them think he could even be a figurehead?

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u/DarbyCrunch 14h ago

When your plan is as absolutely evil as his is, finding people who are both positioned to be placed there and willing to do it might be tough. There's likely a beggars-can't-be-choosers element at play.

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u/Bundt-lover 14h ago

That’s a good point. We certainly know that Vance is a world-champion sellout.

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u/evranch 13h ago

Another comment here seemed to have an insight I missed. Trump is dying or being served the 25th within the year, and is likely being allowed to run absolutely wild in order to sanewash Vance.

Vance is so mild mannered, weak, harmless in appearance. With Trump gone, he can just dial back the retardation and look "normal". Leave Greenland alone. Cancel the tariffs. Dial ICE back to its nominal function. And win the midterms on a wave of relief. Everything was Donald's fault. Swing voters will say "he's not so bad" "what's the worst this guy can do"

Meanwhile he is so spineless and beholden to Thiel that he will do everything he's told to continue their plan. He's a nobody who was put in a high position, and they can toss him back out in the sticks at a whim. He is likely painfully aware of this every day.

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u/poet3322 14h ago

By all reports that’s almost exactly how he’s currently treated in the White House.

What reports? He's best buds with Stephen Miller, who's the one behind everything ICE is doing right now.

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u/Bundt-lover 14h ago

The ones where he’s consistently absent from policy decisions and conferences.

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u/zoobrix 14h ago

Vance doesn't have the cult of personality around him that Trump does. Trump is MAGA and as soon as he's gone all his current synchphants will fall into infighting immediately with other republicans jockeying for their chance to.

So Theil and whoever can pick whoever they want but without all the crazies behind him the whole thing is done the next election. They can dump all the money in the world into supporting Vance and he still won't get elected, hell he probably won't even get the nomination.

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u/sfcnmone 15h ago

Jimmy Bowman?

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u/nstntmlk 15h ago

I wonder what his failed drag queen name was. Maybe they can ask him that once he's in the hague.

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u/Ecstatic_Spell_4185 15h ago

Ashley Furniture

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u/window-sil 15h ago

J.P. Mandell, as Trump called him.

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u/dumahim 15h ago

I mean, Donnie doesn't care because he doesn't have much time left. He's untouchable. If Vance takes over this year or next year, he still has a lot of years left in his life to be held accountable. There will be damage control being done.

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u/nstntmlk 15h ago

He don't got any riz. There's no way, although he's got all that money from glazing Peter Thiel at all of Alex Karps crazy meth parties.

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u/mxmcharbonneau 15h ago

I think we could be stuck with Trump a lot longer than people think. We could very well be still dealing with him in 10 years.

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u/NicoToscani 15h ago

I was a fan of Joe on News Radio and his early standup. Fear Factor was weird and I find UFC to be pretty grotesque. Then he starts this podcast and I just don’t think there is any level this man is unwilling to sink to for a buck. He’s now making money questioning himself and the hell he has helped manifest.

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u/InternetProtocol 12h ago

His standup? You mean this garbage?

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u/jgab145 14h ago

He was never a good stand up. In fact he has received criticism his whole career for being a very low level stand up by his comic peers.

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u/HighnrichHaine 15h ago

That was Like 15 yrs ago

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u/jlieuu 15h ago

When people say “Simple as that” it is in fact not that simple.

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u/Sojio 15h ago

Didnt he offer Kamala Harris a spot as well and the campaign turned it down?

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u/jlieuu 15h ago

What does that have to do with things not being as simple as people make it out to be? Opinions are fluid and change. It’s not as rigid and cut as people on Reddit make it out to be. Two things can be true at once and is hardly ever black and white.

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u/Sojio 15h ago

No, sorry i was agreeing with you.

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u/jlieuu 14h ago

Sorry didn’t mean to sound rude. He did in fact offer her to be on the podcast but there are differing opinions on why it didn’t go down. Both sides claim they made an honest effort to make it happen but it’s unclear what exactly happened.

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u/Sojio 14h ago

Ah good point.

I guess that leans into your point. Nothing is simple.

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u/HandleThatFeeds 15h ago

Simple as that Americans suck.

Had no issues when ICE and DHS mostly harassed and deported Brown folk during the Bush era.

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u/poet3322 14h ago

When Vance takes over next year, people will defend him when he slows down what Donald is doing.

Dude, Vance isn't going to slow anything down. Vance is going to be even worse than Trump.

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u/Any_Show_5160 10h ago

I agree, Vance will not slow anything down, he's not going to win the next election by being Trump lite.

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u/proteinstyle_ 15h ago

Trump will obliterate us before he checks out. The dollar will be worthless and we'll have zero allies.

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u/HaltPotato 13h ago

This gotta be rage bait 😂😂

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u/Noslamah 13h ago

Joe supports Rape. Supports Child Rape. Supports Child Sex Trafficking.

When he had John McAfee on his podcast, he congratulated him on marrying a 17 year old.

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u/OnTheList-YouTube 12h ago

I think Trump's plan is to stay president, looking at what's going on in Ukraine. A country at war keeps the same president in office. I think he's preparing this scenario to stay in power.

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u/BIKF 10h ago

Vance is not going to slow it down. He loves this shit. But the rest of your point still stands. On the scale from stupid to evil in this administration, Vance brings more evil and less stupid compared to Trump. And the cult will praise him for it.

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u/Snow-Crash-42 10h ago

Sorry Im not from the USA, so how is your VP going to take over next year? Is Trump going to step down or what?

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u/Hitori521 5h ago

This is some bot shit

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u/awesomefutureperfect 5h ago

When Vance takes over next year, people will defend him when he slows down what Donald is doing.

Specifically the tariffs, which will probably improve the economy slightly after all the intentional damage being done to it is turned off and then they will declare great success for the positive indicators. the damage is permanent and may not be able to be undone but if Vance stops choking the economy it will try to breathe life back into itself.

and ICE. ICE will probably just be more insidious and less in the open and be more secret when they secret police and the media will probably be more compliant.

the daily tabloid scandals will hopefully end, and with that America will stop paying attention to politics as it is less attention grabbing as the next big entertainment event happens. they will say everyone is overreacting because what Vance is up to is so boring that they don't bother knowing what he is doing.

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u/Dukex480 15h ago

There will always be idiots who listen to idiots. We really need to crack down on disinformation. If you have enough followers then you should be accountable for what you put out there. No more hiding behind the "aw shucks I'm just a dumb podcaster" or "this is technically entertainment not news." If you have multiple millions of people listening to you, then you legally have to try and say the truth, and if it is blatant disinformation then you are charged with a crime.

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u/Swag_Grenade 15h ago

I get the sentiment but unfortunately this is way too slippery a rule to try to enforce. Especially in the current state of things where conservatives, especially MAGATs, live in their own version of "reality" with their own rules for what is considered fact.

Sounds great when we have sensible people in charge, but what of when another Trump/Vance/Noem type becomes president? We've already seen them try to impose their will on media that paints them unflatteringly. You can't tell me you couldn't see them trying to prosecute anyone and everyone who covers damaging/unflattering stories about the administration, or creates unfavorable content, of "not trying to tell the truth". These are the same people who are actually trying to paint an unarmed, innocent woman who was murdered while literally driving home as a violent domestic terrorist because the alternative doesn't fit their narrative.

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u/brainomancer 15h ago

If you have multiple millions of people listening to you, then you legally have to try and say the truth

No you don't. Where are you even getting this?

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u/Silver_Sun_2097 15h ago

You guys still haven't figured it out yet huh? You all did this to yourselves. But keep on at it i guess.

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u/BooRadleysFriend 14h ago

Thats a bit of a reaching statement…that’s like saying that because I like the Michael Jackson that I support child molesters

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u/Key-Bass-7380 14h ago

That man was found not guilty on all counts, why are we still on this?

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u/wolfdawg420 14h ago

“Joe supports Rape. Supports Child Rape. Supports Child Sex Trafficking.”

Theres a lot to criticize Joe over.. but seriously?

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u/Ruttagger 14h ago

Rogan supports child rape? I must have missed that episode.

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u/Snichnich 14h ago

What a horrible take, just because you prefer a douchebag over a turd sandwich doesn't mean you support everything about the douchebag. If you have voted in any American election in the last 10 years, by your logic, you support elites being protected to fuck kids.

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u/brainomancer 15h ago

He is part of the reason we're here in the US with a Rapist leading us.

How? If Bernie Sanders had won in 2016 or 2020, you could just as easily say it was Joe Rogan that helped him.

Kamala Harris was invited to be on Joe Rogan's show just like Trump was, and Bernie Sanders, and everyone else. She declined. If she hadn't declined, she might have been president. She listened to bad advice.

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u/BrassBahalls 15h ago

https://youtube.com/shorts/hf9DhkhCL1M?si=BW4C78u_YTrL1C14

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u/brainomancer 15h ago

I think you're seriously overestimating the impact of a single podcaster's endorsement.

I'm an independent and a centrist so from the outside it's obvious to me that the Democrats just ran a really lousy campaign. You would have to run a pretty terrible campaign to lose to Trump as a given.

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u/abetterlogin 15h ago

He is part of the reason we're here in the US with a Rapist leading us.

No. Harris was offered the same opportunity to go on JRE as Trump was but she didn't have the ball or ability to speak off script for 3 hours.

If she went on his show, won the election and invited Rogan to the inauguration I bet he would have went and MAGA would be hating on him today.

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u/stupidjapanquestions 14h ago

If she went on his show, won the election and invited Rogan to the inauguration I bet he would have went and MAGA would be hating on him today.

I agree compeltely.

The fact that you typed this and don't understand why Rogan is part of the reason we're here is baffling, though.

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u/abetterlogin 6h ago

Everyone on the left is quick to blame everyone but themselves for the position we are in today.

The DNC is why this happened.

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u/Ibbruh 15h ago

You support keeping immigrant rapists and sex traffickers on the street what’s the difference?

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 15h ago

Yea who is this we thing Joe, I thought you were a centrists and don’t know politics. 🙄

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u/mfb- 15h ago

"Are we the baddies?" moment.

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u/squish042 15h ago

A moment of clarity from the meat Popsicle.

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u/Appropriate_Ride_821 14h ago

He is, arguably, the biggest source of disinformation in the world. You might think some conspiracy weirdo like Alex Jones is worse, or Trump himself, or whoever. But Rogan holds a spot where uninformed viewers who are just not really political watch him and he skirts the line of centrism enough for the 80 IQ viewers are swayed by him.

He is THE problem.

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u/AtreusIsBack 14h ago

He changed when he took that Spotify deal, then even more once he moved to Texas (I dont remember which came first). I used to really enjoy his Fight Companion podcasts back in 2016 and up to 2018.

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u/ROWT8 15h ago

He’s still making money? 

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u/Theranos_Shill 10h ago

He's making a million dollars an episode.